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[HTC One vs Z1] Camera comparison test the shoutout

Z1 vs HTC one camera test / comparison - Vote please.​
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ok so my cousins came at my place with 2 Z1's , we've taken them to test them out , it was cloudy day , as for flash light photos / indoor no flash photos z1 trully sux big time and they didn't want to let me have those photos , so all i have is daylight photos and 1 flash light and 1 indoor , don't ask how i got those 2 lol it was PAIN.
While taking pics z1 really has major issues with superior auto / white balance , while with manual it's slightly better but still not good enough imo due timing , they've took both pics with me average 3/4 pics each and average 2-3 mins took them for each pic with various settings at the end choosing the best outta 7/8 they took while i was snapping either 1 normal or some HDR pics that's about it. They've also deleted so many daylight photos where they were worse then me ... so not really an *FAIR* comparison due them being big time Sony fanboys and they're very stubborn and not accepting their camera isn't the best in the world lol.
Keep in mind i have no skills with camera tho my cousins know how camera works so they're more experienced then i am.
Anyway i'll let you judge the photos and i'll open a vote poll so vote for which you think it won overall.
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great
except for the cloud one Which z1 has more natural
i cant believe htc beats z1 camera lol
thats epic hahaha
btw some of the colors are saturated for z1
for me htc one picture are pretty awesome
bith cameras are like same 4mp vs 21 lol

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I'm still uploading Photos i got 50 more to go please wait before i finish
Here some more photos that couldn't fit in the 1st post.
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Koje selo i država brate? ?
Htc One the One ?

Slovakia?
But sticking to topic, Z1 doesn't looks to good with 21mpx sensor. I would say that One has slight edge here

adam_pl said:
Slovakia?
But sticking to topic, Z1 doesn't looks to good with 21mpx sensor. I would say that One has slight edge here
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Its Serbia actually
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I like the saturation in the Z1, but the HTC definitely capture more detail in low light with less noise. My conclusion is to use the HTC with a +.5 step in saturation.

In my opinin, and yes, I am a Z1 owner... seeing as you were using the Z1 in manual mode, you either had the ISO too low (50??) or you didn't adjust the EV accordingly as the Z1 pictures just look too dark really?
When in manual mode, you really need to take advantage of the settings

raysurrx7 said:
I like the saturation in the Z1, but the HTC definitely capture more detail in low light with less noise. My conclusion is to use the HTC with a +.5 step in saturation.
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We've took photos @ around 10/11am lol , the saturation you like on z1 is cuz they had to use cloudy / daylight white balance due impossibility to come close to my pics , here few examples for you just so you see what I mean , anyway it wouldn't look realistic since there were no sun at all pretty much whole time. Only 2 pics had sun and that's it.
1st pic normal 2nd with daylight effect same as they used the whole time
I assume this is what you wanted ?
Keep in mind it was cloudy no sun at all , that why pics are less saturated on my phone but as you can see in the examples I could've done that but wouldn't represent realistic colors
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I guess there is something to that mega pixel after all. Both cameras took good pictures and mostly comes down to settings. At least the Xperia don't suffer from the purple haze that many of us one owners has.
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Dark Jedi said:
I guess there is something to that mega pixel after all. Both cameras took good pictures and mostly comes down to settings. At least the Xperia don't suffer from the purple haze that many of us one owners has.
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It actually has indoor some yellow / blue tint , you can see on the indoor pic , btw I don't have that sensor issue that many HTC one owners do.
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wezzel98765 said:
In my opinin, and yes, I am a Z1 owner... seeing as you were using the Z1 in manual mode, you either had the ISO too low (50??) or you didn't adjust the EV accordingly as the Z1 pictures just look too dark really?
When in manual mode, you really need to take advantage of the settings
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Exifs are there for all the pics
The Z1 user set white balance appropriately and actually used -EV compensation for a number of shots, might have over done it in some places. it's a difficult call. Auto isn't mature yet on the Z1, whereas the HTC one has been out for ages and from what i could tell the HTC camera took all the shots in auto. No tweaks.
The close up on the tree bark actually has the Z1 produce a blurred shot, dunno how that happened. Shutter was fast enough so no chance of camera shake.
Shan89 said:
ok so my cousins came at my place with 2 Z1's , we've taken them to test them out , it was cloudy day , as for flash light photos / indoor no flash photos z1 trully sux big time and they didn't want to let me have those photos , so all i have is daylight photos and 1 flash light and 1 indoor , don't ask how i got those 2 lol it was PAIN.
While taking pics z1 really has major issues with superior auto / white balance , while with manual it's slightly better but still not good enough imo due timing , they've took both pics with me average 3/4 pics each and average 2-3 mins took them for each pic with various settings at the end choosing the best outta 7/8 they took while i was snapping either 1 normal or some HDR pics that's about it.
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What i'd like to understand better is this brightness value i see in the HTC exifs, it seems to change for each shot and wondered if any of the htc guys can tell me more about it. First thing you see is the HTC shots are all brighter, and in some cases more than necessary.
Questions to the OP
- how long have the Z1 owners had their phone and how long have you had yours.
- indicate which photo pairs are HDR (if any) ?
- Can you clarify whether the Z1 took the shots in 20MP or 8MP.
- Which program did you use to resize down to 1.4MP ?
- i don't understand what happened with the indoor shots. Saying they were really bad does not make sense to me. Without seeing the shots there is no way to comment.
- How about a low light shoot-out. I want to see shutter speeds of 0.3s on your htc and we'll see how that compares with the 0.8s on the Z1. Take care to stabilise the cameras so as not to have blur. If your cousins know what they're doing this should not be a problem for them
Shan89 said:
They've also deleted so many daylight photos where they were worse then me ... so not really an *FAIR* comparison due them being big time Sony fanboys and they're very stubborn and not accepting their camera isn't the best in the world lol.
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Actually this is fair, you should have done the same as this way it really is best that the cameras can do. These are pre-planned shots, you can take as much time as you want. There is no time deadline or any other constraints. When people put up their pics many times they put up the best of many. So this is normal.
Auto isn't mature on the Z1, it will take time. This means the skill of the Z1 owner needs to be better. The difference with ISO for instance can be signficant and not slight as you put it, auto can bump ISO up very high resulting in a noisy shot whereas you can get pretty good results if you set it manually. Your cousins did this already. Most reviewers do not.
This should not come as a surprise to an HTC owner, you have plenty of tweaks you can use as well. However, things like contrast, sharpness, saturation etc would not be fair as they're not present on the Z1 and can be done in post with better software. i note you did not use any of these 3 in any photos

great comparsion
for me htc one looks better , btw the photos is great
does your htc one camera sometimes show in screen regular noise while capturing photos? i want to know if this is a regular thing or only my unit does this .. another question , does your phone suffer from blue/red noise in dark or no ? i hope no:good:

wezzel98765 said:
In my opinin, and yes, I am a Z1 owner... seeing as you were using the Z1 in manual mode, you either had the ISO too low (50??) or you didn't adjust the EV accordingly as the Z1 pictures just look too dark really?
When in manual mode, you really need to take advantage of the settings
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Hello there , I didn't even use z1 , I've wrote in OP that I was using my one and my 2 cousins were using 2 z1's taking each 3/4 pics each in total of 7/8 and later picking the best pic outta 7/8.
They look dark because HTC really has outstanding HDR while z1 really is no match with hdr.
From my observation with those difficult scenes z1 was useless , you could make pic but you would have to chose either sky/ clouds or ground , there's no option to take both like with HTC's hdr.
oh and believe my cousins were only using manual since superior auto was completely useless.
One Twelve confirmed this by checking Exifs.
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Exifs are there for all the pics
The Z1 user set white balance appropriately and actually used -EV compensation for a number of shots, might have over done it in some places. it's a difficult call. Auto isn't mature yet on the Z1, whereas the HTC one has been out for ages and from what i could tell the HTC camera took all the shots in auto. No tweaks.
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Yeah you're right. Like I said all I was using was auto or hdr , nothing else.
One Twelve said:
The close up on the tree bark actually has the Z1 produce a blurred shot, dunno how that happened. Shutter was fast enough so no chance of camera shake.
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I guess the cousin moved lol.
One Twelve said:
What i'd like to understand better is this brightness value i see in the HTC exifs, it seems to change for each shot and wondered if any of the htc guys can tell me more about it. First thing you see is the HTC shots are all brighter, and in some cases more than necessary.
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The shots are brighter cuz of hdr , with z1 if you point at the sky for example bottom gets dark and it's clearly impossible for z1 to balance that due to poor hdr capabilities where's the htc one handles this easily.
My guess about brightness change is probably meetering and our auto / hdr can use higher values then what we can in manual.
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Questions to the OP
- how long have the Z1 owners had their phone and how long have you had yours.
- indicate which photo pairs are HDR (if any) ?
- Can you clarify whether the Z1 took the shots in 20MP or 8MP.
- Which program did you use to resize down to 1.4MP ?
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- I've had HTC one since June , my cousins have their Z1's since it came out ( as addition they've been with Sony since SE K300I , so trust me they know what they're doing lol )
- All photos that have sky / clouds +ground = hdr , the rest were normal.
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- i don't understand what happened with the indoor shots. Saying they were really bad does not make sense to me. Without seeing the shots there is no way to comment.
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- trust me it was embarrassing shots which is why they didn't let me have them , I managed to get only 1 flash photo and only 1 indoor no flash photo , I was looking forward to upload those but unluckily they didn't let me have them.
- Dunno which mp they used all I know is they used manual settings.
- I didn't use any program to resize photos , all I did is upload the photos from pc to tinypic site and post them here.
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- How about a low light shoot-out. I want to see shutter speeds of 0.3s on your htc and we'll see how that compares with the 0.8s on the Z1. Take care to stabilise the cameras so as not to have blur. If your cousins know what they're doing this should not be a problem for them
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Like I said there's no low light shots Thx to them , tho in almost pitch black no flash z1 was better , everywhere else worse. Even video recording low light due fact I can record video at same brightness as the shots you saw lol. ( hdr recording ) also in pitch black z1 can't come close since my flash is about 2x more powerful.
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Actually this is fair, you should have done the same as this way it really is best that the cameras can do. These are pre-planned shots, you can take as much time as you want. There is no time deadline or any other constraints. When people put up their pics many times they put up the best of many. So this is normal.
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I don't have the nerves for that I just want point and shoot not wasting time to set all the settings , the moment will pass by the time settings are set.
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Auto isn't mature on the Z1, it will take time. This means the skill of the Z1 owner needs to be better. The difference with ISO for instance can be signficant and not slight as you put it, auto can bump ISO up very high resulting in a noisy shot whereas you can get pretty good results if you set it manually. Your cousins did this already. Most reviewers do not.
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Yeah I've noticed that superior auto is utter **** lol.
One Twelve said:
This should not come as a surprise to an HTC owner, you have plenty of tweaks you can use as well. However, things like contrast, sharpness, saturation etc would not be fair as they're not present on the Z1 and can be done in post with better software. i note you did not use any of these 3 in any photos
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Yeah I'm just one of those point and shot , sometime switch to hdr and that's about it. Tho I gotta say I play with settings when I'm bored but when taking pics pretty much point and shoot.
Nightf0x_007 said:
great comparsion
for me htc one looks better , btw the photos is great
does your htc one camera sometimes show in screen regular noise while capturing photos? i want to know if this is a regular thing or only my unit does this .. another question , does your phone suffer from blue/red noise in dark or no ? i hope no:good:
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I guess I get sometimes with flash noise untill it focuses after that all normal , no tints here pretty much perfect unit.
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Great post. It is nice to see almost a year in and our camera is still up there with its so called Ultra-pixels which is just a fancy word for mega-pixel. I never doubted this phones camera always served me well and even made a 2 hour long home movie to send back home.. Great phone but i think if sony put time and effort into their software they can get the camera up and running in brilliant quality too..

Shan89 said:
They look dark because HTC really has outstanding HDR while z1 really is no match with hdr.
From my observation with those difficult scenes z1 was useless , you could make pic but you would have to chose either sky/ clouds or ground , there's no option to take both like with HTC's hdr.
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HDR takes multiple exposures and combines them. You have no control over this process. Given that auto isn't mature with Z1, it follows that neither will HDR be mature on Z1.
If you want good quality photos, then try not to use HDR. why ? jpg is lossy. jpg + jpg + jpg = even more lossy. Also takes longer as you have to wait for 'processing images' before taking next shot.
About sky/ground, what you do is use spot metering. If you spot on the clouds, the ground becomes dark, on the ground you blow out the sky, you have to spot somewhere in the middle. Now if the subjects are in the same focal plane then you can get away with this otherwise HDR is the only option as focus will not be at infinity. HDR is a compromise in this particular case to get you better exposed shot.
Its not required for every shot, only where there is big difference in lighting between foreground and background and subjects are in many planes that you want to keep more or less in focus. Personally, unless its landscape type photo this can be distracting, better to keep the subject in sharp focus and forget if the rest is blurred, it will make for a better shot.
In camera HDR is a recent 'innovation'. If you want the best HDR, then take 5 exposures from -2 to +2 with camera on a tripod, use a HDR speicialised program to combine them on a PC and then see the results compared to the 'poor man's HDR' the camera provides.
Shan89 said:
Yeah you're right. Like I said all I was using was auto or hdr , nothing else.
The shots are brighter cuz of hdr , with z1 if you point at the sky for example bottom gets dark and it's clearly impossible for z1 to balance that due to poor hdr capabilities where's the htc one handles this easily.
My guess about brightness change is probably meetering and our auto / hdr can use higher values then what we can in manual.
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Then i would look only at the pics where HDR was not used in this comparison. HTC one has had many months to improve HDR, it did not come perfect out of the box. Same with Z1.
Shan89 said:
- I've had HTC one since June , my cousins have their Z1's since it came out ( as addition they've been with Sony since SE K300I , so trust me they know what they're doing lol )
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Z1 has been out now just under two months, takes time to get to know its quirks. Each phone camera is different. Since they set WB & EV i can tell they are not complete n00bs. But more hands on time is always better than less. Photographer is more important than camera.
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- Dunno which mp they used all I know is they used manual settings.
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If you have the originals, then look at the resolution. the 20MP will be (5248 x 3936) and the 8MP will be (3840 x 2160) or (3,264 x 2,448) . File sizes will also be bigger. I think they have used 20MP for all, can you confirm ?
This matters because currently you will get better shots with Z1 in 8MP 4:3 than with 20MP. Noise control is much better due to oversampling. Also 8MP means you can use different SCN modes which is not possible with 20MP. For low light shots or indoors this will make a difference.
For now we can say 20MP means 2x zoom is better than lower resolution sensors. Photos at 20MP are not necessarily better than 8MP. I wish these cameras put out RAW because then we will really see what the camera can do instead of what the compression program is doing to create those jpgs
When people make comments about camera they are primarily commenting about
1) auto and how well it works
2) image compression algorithm. good compression + good quality means more time + more CPU, a phone is not the best place to do this. So you can take the next shot quick, compromises are made here which affect image quality.
3) stock camera app. 3rd party apps in playstore may do a better job in certain situations.
So we still do not get to see what the camera can do without these other factors interfering in the process with ANY phone camera.
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- I didn't use any program to resize photos , all I did is upload the photos from pc to tinypic site and post them here.
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It was a good choice for image host because inspite of resizing it still preserved the exif data. Many others strip it out. I was surprised to see them. So you passed the minimum test here
Better still would be to resize them yourself with a good quality program and then upload. How well these image sites do resize is not transparent. They have to handle lots of load.
Shan89 said:
- trust me it was embarrassing shots which is why they didn't let me have them , I managed to get only 1 flash photo and only 1 indoor no flash photo , I was looking forward to upload those but unluckily they didn't let me have them.
Like I said there's no low light shots Thx to them , tho in almost pitch black no flash z1 was better , everywhere else worse. Even video recording low light due fact I can record video at same brightness as the shots you saw lol. ( hdr recording ) also in pitch black z1 can't come close since my flash is about 2x more powerful.
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I'm trying to figure what you mean here. The only clue is flash is 2x more powerful. So in cases where a more powerful flash helps the Z1 could not compete but there are cases where your flash will be over powering and the Z1 will be just right. This isn't a problem because you can always diffuse the light by putting some paper on the flash. Where the more powerful flash has an edge is in freezing motion if subject is moving with low light, so long as it happens less than 6 feet away. But then flash makes for lousy photos since its direct at the subject and not reflected. Big problem with phone cameras currently. They always locate the flash below the lens instead of above it. I don't why this is. There is no off camera flash option available as yet. eg. you cannot bounce the flash of the ceiling and get better photos.
But why to use the flash in the first place, when both cameras can do good low light photos. None of the subjects in the photos were moving so there should not be a problem here.
We don't know what your cousins were thinking. Embarrassing does not say much, why was it embarrassing and what could be done to make it better. There are many indoors shots with Z1 in the photo thread, nothing embarrassing there.
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I don't have the nerves for that I just want point and shoot not wasting time to set all the settings , the moment will pass by the time settings are set.
Yeah I'm just one of those point and shot , sometime switch to hdr and that's about it. Tho I gotta say I play with settings when I'm bored but when taking pics pretty much point and shoot.
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This applies for impromptu shots. How often does this happen for you ? Not a single one of your sample shots comes in this category. My feeling is these impromptu shots are maybe 5% of the time. These are the hardest to get, subject may be moving and you will not get a good shot, you will get an ok to bad shot.
The rest of the time you can plan, take many shots, play with angles for better composition etc. But the thing about camera in your pocket is at least you have a camera in the first place and if the time is there you will get the shot whereas before you had nothing.
People say you are not supposed to get good photos because this is only a phone camera. But with more capable cameras they take lots of effort to get a good photo because its a good camera. Makes no sense. To get a good shot with phone camera you have to work harder because there are more limitations. This means more possibilities as well.
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Yeah I've noticed that superior auto is utter **** lol.
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And what about 3 months from now ? will your statement still be valid.
if you follow the evolution of the Z, it took anywhere from 3-5 months after launch to get it right. So there is no reason it will change with Z1, maybe it might come sooner. This unfortunately is a sony thing. others will put out cameras that are mature but have bugs elsewhere. Nobody puts out a perfect phone at launch. Look hard enough and you will see the bugs, what matters is whether the vendor is prepared to fix them or not. How good is their past record in doing this.
But the reviewers always get the latest & greatest and then move on, they do not bother to review after 3 months. People also want latest & greatest and then find its not mature and think its bad. But after 3 months they change their mind. Just see the photo threads for any flagship here and you see the same comments. My <old phone> takes better photos than this <new phone>. very predictable :laugh:
if you look at HTC photo thread, around march-may, reviewers were complaining that htc is oversharpening images because they can see halos around the edges. What is the solution ? set sharpness to -2 or -1 gives a softer image and no halos. So htc got bashed quite a bit too. In fact i think htc is most bashed camera out there because everybody thinks 4MP is not enough. But what can they use to display 4MP ? there are no 4k displays out there or they are very expensive. Full HD is only 2MP. you can still print 10x14 inch prints with 4MP. But no... 4MP on HTC is not enough or bad. pfft.
Shan89 said:
I guess I get sometimes with flash noise untill it focuses after that all normal , no tints here pretty much perfect unit.
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This is one thing that still i'm not able to understand. 300 pg thread on this omg!. There are theories around but nothing conclusive as yet. Some people are saying the heat does it over time. With Z1 if it gets too hot you will not be able to use the camera. So too much heating over a long time is supposed to cause this problem with tinting. Its such a pity to replace the phone after only 6 months :crying:
This tinting is the problem as i see it with htc one. Not 4MP.

Too many peoples and companies think megapixels means quality, while using very poor sensors. They keep trying to push this rumor/agenda
A better sensor>>>>>megapixel count

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Too many peoples and companies think megapixels means quality, while using very poor sensors. They keep trying to push this rumor/agenda
A better sensor>>>>>megapixel count
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Exactly +1
@One Twelve
I'm sorry I can't bother answering to all questions etc , simply just take a look at photos and you got answer.
As for hdr stuff you wrote HTC one takes less then 0.5 Sec to make hdr photo and ready for next , I'm sure it takes over 20 sec to set z1 to make similar photo which is still no match.
As for fllash HTC one has smart flash = we.have 5 modes = it can fire up very low light or super strong light , this is why z1 will never match htc one in flash light photos , especially if photos are 1/2+ meters away , z1 is useless in this distance.
As for ceiling HTC one gets better flash photos when there are walls then when there aren't.
I can take photo outdoor pitch black about 5/7 meters away , indoor I can go up to 10 , if I increase exposure and lower contrast I can go even further.
HTC one also in long distance low light photos can take hdr + flash light = it gathers light from flash as well and makes overall picture more light.
With 4:3 HTC one also makes better photos then in 16:9 also sharper.
By the time z1 gets / if it gets fixed we will have updates as well + one 2 will be out by that time and more fair comparison would be one 2 due being newer 4/5 month's instead comparison vs HTC one which is 7 months older
As for Xperia Z I've took test with my cousins as well since they had XZ before z1 , I've literally raped Xz , I'll ask them to send me that test and upload it as well.
As for movement + picturing z1 will never match HTC ZOE.
here few samples for you so you see why :sly:
Btw all this pics were quiet tricky movement and impossible with burst shot or regular , but ZOE handles movement quiet easy.
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If I am to judge, I'd say for the most part, the z1 does seem more pleasing. You seem to be abusing the hdr alot on the Htc one. The colors are washed out as hell. I can tell because I use the htc one as well.
I'll say this, neither the z1 nor the HTC One's hdr are good. Only the HTC One has a minor advantage.
If you are going to use HDR, set your ISO to 100, AF/AE lock on a bright light source AND THEN switch to HDR. This way your HDR will look much better than just using HDR right off the bat.
The first pic, I used HDR right off the bat. Looks washed out, basically it looks terrible
The second pic, I set ISO100, AE/AF lock on my ceiling light, switched to HDR. Much better colors.

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I'm sorry I can't bother answering to all questions etc , simply just take a look at photos and you got answer.
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Too bad, i guess it will fall upon somebody else to challenge otherwise my points stand.
Z1 isn't ready for a HDR shootout. It is ready for non-hdr manual shootout. When i have time i will select the non-hdr shots in your group and we will see the differences.
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As for fllash HTC one has smart flash = we.have 5 modes = it can fire up very low light or super strong light , this is why z1 will never match htc one in flash light photos , especially if photos are 1/2+ meters away , z1 is useless in this distance.
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This bit is interesting. i don't think any other android camera can vary the intensity of flash light based upon what the camera sees. This is an advantage with indoor shots. Does not mean you cannot get acceptable ones in Z1 or any other that does not have this ability, its just harder. And once you know what to do its no longer harder.
So I'm not going with ease of use, i'm interested in whether its possible to take the shot or not. This is a better indication of limitations.
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HTC one also in long distance low light photos can take hdr + flash light = it gathers light from flash as well and makes overall picture more light.
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I can take photo outdoor pitch black about 5/7 meters away , indoor I can go up to 10 , if I increase exposure and lower contrast I can go even further.
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Useful but difficult to get right. People look more cold than warm. This is why the push to improve low light handling so there is little need to use flash in the first place. Flash photography on a mobile phone is difficult.
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With 4:3 HTC one also makes better photos then in 16:9 also sharper.
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Surprising as i thought htc one has a native 16:9 sensor. Everybody else uses 4:3. So smaller pics come out better with 4:3 than 16:9.
So i'd have thought 16:9 is best aspect ratio for htc one.
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By the time z1 gets / if it gets fixed we will have updates as well + one 2 will be out by that time and more fair comparison would be one 2 due being newer 4/5 month's instead comparison vs HTC one which is 7 months older
As for Xperia Z I've took test with my cousins as well since they had XZ before z1 , I've literally raped Xz , I'll ask them to send me that test and upload it as well.
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Yeah, do that lets see the difference. Ensure the exifs are visible. After looking at the photo thread for Z, i changed my mind about what most people think about the Z. I would like to understand in which way the htc one 'rapes' the Z
I note that htc one does not indicate which firmware number is being used. So can you mention which one was used to take your photos.
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As for movement + picturing z1 will never match HTC ZOE.
here few samples for you so you see why :sly:
Btw all this pics were quiet tricky movement and impossible with burst shot or regular , but ZOE handles movement quiet easy.
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I don't follow, with enough light you have a fast shutter speed so why is it hard to get those shots ?
What does ZOE do here that you cannot do without it.

Some photos I took while on a trip. Loving the phone. Replaced my nikon d700

The best camera is the one you have with you. That's why I bought the xperia z1:
http://filipedasilva.pt/blog/?p=512

Great pics
Wow amazing pics, I haven't found the perfect configuration for my XZ1..could you share in what mode you took them (Resolution, Superior Auto, Manual?? HDR on??)

Cool ! For a month now, i dont think my z1 could actually take photos like that. When i try to take a photo of mysekf, i always get half of my face blur. Maybe its bec of some autofocus malfunction, and when i use flash, i get pale complexion, feels like in a horror movie. But I find ur photos amazing , and would absolutely try taking pictures on like that.

Is it hard to post this few photos to xda forum? You must post link to your OWN gallery? It's not advertising site, it's developer site.
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Here mine: http://daddye.vsco.co

Please teach us how to take pictures like you do with the z1

I can't upload photos to the forum and I don't know the absolut url since my blog doesn't allow right click!
It's not like i'm earning money with clicks jeez.
I took the photos in manual mode 8 MP, iso 50, touch to focus and adjusted the colors with exposure compensation. I've also used scene mode landscape with sucess.
I don't mess with automatic superior. Indoors I don't get so good results... and usually go manual with iso max 800 so that the noise correction don't mess with the photos.
But when the light is right, it can take great pics!

Whoa, looking stunning there. At some points I know that Z1 camera is truly decent in terms of pixel, but its ability to capture these awesome photos is something. Also it's because you're a photographer, ain't you ? That's why they turn out this amazing.

Why 8 mp mode instead of 20?
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Yes i'm a professional photographer.. but I did nothing fancy with the photos.. just a little bit of contrast. It's just a matter of taste.
I choose 8 MPs because with 20 the format is 4:3 and I kind of like framing landscapes with 16:9..

Beautiful photos, will try manual mode for now :laugh:

c312eal said:
Why 8 mp mode instead of 20?
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I'd assume because 20MP has hardly acceptable quality due to ridiculous amount of noise. mind that 20 MP is the pixel count of professional full frame cameras like Canon 5d mk2. on FF the count adds some quality, on microscopic phone sensors it just adds noise (not to mention that to have a lens that can benefit from 20MP you would have to spend several times more than the cost of xperia z1). limiting photo size to 8mp allows some better noise handling, as data from several pixels can be averaged.

Camera comparison, Xperia Z1 vs. Lumia 1020

Ever since I got my Z1, I have been less than impressed by the camera performance.
One of the main reasons why I upgraded from the Z to the Z1 was the much better specs on the camera the Z1 was toting. Specs aside, I feel that the camera on the Z1 really can produce very good images, but in automatic shooting mode I almost never feel that the results are satisfactory.
So when the chance arrived, I got hold of the Nokia Lumia 1020 to see if the camera on this phone could do a better job. And boy was I surprised to see how big the difference is.
In automatic shooting mode the Z1 produces images with washed out colors and blurry detail compared to the 1020´s saturated and razor sharp results. In some lighting conditions the 1020 tends to oversaturate, but in my book a little oversaturation beats washed out and blurry details any day.
I have attached two sample shots taken indoor at night to demonstrate what I am talking about.
I really hope Sony can get their act together and fix the automatic shooting mode, as using manual mode simply is not an option most of the time I use my phone to shoot day to day pictures.
(Edit: The DSC-file is from the Z1, the WP-file is from the Nokia.)
-KJ

In the sample shots above the 1020 produces colors much closer to the real thing than the Z1. If you look at the foam on the beer and the details on the bottle label you also see that the Z1 has quite a bit of noise. The 1020 on the other hand has rich detail and next to no noise.
I will try to bring both phones around a little the next weeks to take some comparison shots in other lighting conditions.
Stay tuned.
-KJ

If possible, use a 3rd party camera app so that youre using the same software on both devices.

Z1 cam is only about advertising marketing lie. As i compare it to old Nokia n 95, 7 years old Nokia with 4mpx camera make much better photos. Shame for Sony. On that international presentation i will be punishment that Japan man ceo who lying us all

I'll like to see a third party to. A friend just bought the Z1 and the indoor pics was so bad, compared to our G2, N5 and One, that we told him to get the Z1 back. Surprisingly the store told him the cam was alright, it's was supposed to have yellowish grainy pics indoor...
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If possible, use a 3rd party camera app so that youre using the same software on both devices.
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This is a comparison of the stock capabilities of the phone. I bet 9x % of the people that are buying these phones are using the stock camera app. Also the 1020's camera app is a lot more advanced compared to the Z1's manual mode.
There's quite a few in depth comparisons out there comparing the hardware. I will keep this thread about the full auto experience.
-KJ
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Comparison isn't really good since it's just pic. And please post pics to Google+ or another host that shows some data about photos like ISO etc please. So we know settings are similar.

5 oversampled pixels from a 41mp sensor sure will beat the hell out of any phone. drawbacks is the Windows ecosystem. Lumia will beat z1 at any range unless u add little saturation and contrast to z1 pics. as nokia postproessing is very aggressive adding saturation and contrast to smear out noise
if you want to compare lumia then put it againest the S4 Zoom.

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Comparison isn't really good since it's just pic. And please post pics to Google+ or another host that shows some data about photos like ISO etc please. So we know settings are similar.
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As stated, this is not about what the cameras can produce if handled by skilled users. This is about pressing the camera button to wake the phone and snapping a pic. If the Z1 chooses ISO400 and the 1020 chooses ISO200, so be it. That will ultimately be a part of what differs between the cameras and will be part of how the result will look.
i will look at sharing full size files from OneDrive, giving you full access to exif.
-KJ
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5 oversampled pixels from a 41mp sensor sure will beat the hell out of any phone. drawbacks is the Windows ecosystem. Lumia will beat z1 at any range unless u add little saturation and contrast to z1 pics. as nokia postproessing is very aggressive adding saturation and contrast to smear out noise
if you want to compare lumia then put it againest the S4 Zoom.
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I have the Z1, I was not satisfied with the pictures it produces and got a Lumia 1020. What does S4 Zoom have to do with that?
-KJ
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fjevel said:
I have the Z1, I was not satisfied with the pictures it produces and got a Lumia 1020. What does S4 Zoom have to do with that?
-KJ
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cause both are made around camera concept ... Z1 is all around winner Top Notch Performance Decent Real Camera (Natural colors) and WaterProof

Again; what on earth does that have to do with the topic I started?
Waterproofing and performance just does not matter when it comes to picture quality.
Of course personal preference will add in, but no matter how you look at the pictures I have attached here, the 1020 kills the Z1.
I am not trying to label the Z1 as a bad camera, it's just not as good as it cold be _in automatic mode_.
I have taken some night pictures with the Z1 in manual mode that I find pretty damned good for a phone. But this thread is about the default images produced with stock apps in automatic mode.
-KJ
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Call me crazy, and maybe im trolling a little, but if somebody's priority is high quality pictures, their tool of choice should be an actual camera.

ashouhdy said:
5 oversampled pixels from a 41mp sensor sure will beat the hell out of any phone. drawbacks is the Windows ecosystem. Lumia will beat z1 at any range unless u add little saturation and contrast to z1 pics. as nokia postproessing is very aggressive adding saturation and contrast to smear out noise
if you want to compare lumia then put it againest the S4 Zoom.
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True. About the contrast and saturation part.
I always have to add a bit of contrast and saturation and it makes the images way better.
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Call me crazy, and maybe im trolling a little, but if somebody's priority is high quality pictures, their tool of choice should be an actual camera.
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As someone who enjoys photography your absolutely right, but caring around my K3 at all times isn't what I do either. When I was in New Zealand I found myself using my Galaxy Note 1 quite a bit. I got some really good shots with it as well. The Z1 does have it's moments in good light but Auto mode isn't the best, but really i can't remember the last time I used a camera in auto mode anyways. The major issue is that high megapixels almost always adds noise. The Z1 has 21MP in such a tiny sensor i think it's just the nature of the beast here.
My one and major tip to those who have issues with noise is to use a good de-noising software tool. Shoot in manual at the highest settings and the use post processing to clean it up. The built in Sony algorithm is bad to say the least. The nokia does seem to take better pictures more often but not by a large amount. I have seen many cases where the Z1 beats it in colour rendition as well. I fully agree that Sony's auto mode is very hit or miss though.

Follow those threads please
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2642784
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2648141
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So here are a few sample I just did. They are labeled to show one done with photoshop, one done using perfectly clear plugin from play store, one left in superior auto state and one just left with manual.
Here is the full resolution link:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bx1E2oK6YDuLTGZ0c283bGtqS2c&usp=sharing

fjevel said:
Again; what on earth does that have to do with the topic I started?
Waterproofing and performance just does not matter when it comes to picture quality.
Of course personal preference will add in, but no matter how you look at the pictures I have attached here, the 1020 kills the Z1.
I am not trying to label the Z1 as a bad camera, it's just not as good as it cold be _in automatic mode_.
I have taken some night pictures with the Z1 in manual mode that I find pretty damned good for a phone. But this thread is about the default images produced with stock apps in automatic mode.
-KJ
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Don't argue with sony fanboys, you won't win.
Z1's camera won't win when comparing with lumia 1020. Please just accept that, sony fanboys. The hardware is there, and the software as well. the latest update (or before latest) for lumia 1020 has adjusted its photo's color saturation, making its camera almost perfect. Meanwhile, sony is busy making kitkat, so let's see how that will affect our Z1's camera.

You can take some really good pics with manual settings but SA is crap.When i want to to shoot something fast i just use FV-5.The results are much better.I am mad at sony.After several months and updates the camera is still bad unless you play with manual settings...

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Don't argue with sony fanboys, you won't win.
Z1's camera won't win when comparing with lumia 1020. Please just accept that, sony fanboys. The hardware is there, and the software as well. the latest update (or before latest) for lumia 1020 has adjusted its photo's color saturation, making its camera almost perfect. Meanwhile, sony is busy making kitkat, so let's see how that will affect our Z1's camera.
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Sony fanboy sending from his s4 zoom defending sony flagship and praising the 5 oversampled pixels of the lumia.
SOME GUYS just need to grow up a hell of a difference between Constructive Criticism and a critic for just a critic without the will to understand .
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Maybe Cyanogen 11 for LB in our Z1?

Just read this In XDA news:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/cyanogenmod-11-and-slimkat-for-the-locked-xperia-sp/
Maybe some of the greatest developers in this forum could port it for our Z1 LB. who knows...

That would be amazing!
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They did the same with CM10 on Xperia S, I was running it on my XS and it worked really well so it is possible
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Without kexec, it is impossible.
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And, one day, we get this in CM build for Z1
Paranoid Android's Hover - Hands On: http://youtu.be/u_3Ik7m3z50
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I Hope so !!! :laugh:

Somone know if a dev will take the project ? )

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Somone know if a dev will take the project ? )
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Probably not.
I'm sad to say this but the z1 is the first and last sony device I bought. Why? Lack of development, locked bootloader and unable to unlock it. The fact it has a 21 mp sensor and I'm obligated to use 8 mp to take better photos than If took it with 21mp, video recording full HD only at 30 when the hardware can do 60 fps. And so on.
It's a shame. This device has a lot of potencial but it's wasted.
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albertobom said:
Probably not.
I'm sad to say this but the z1 is the first and last sony device I bought. Why? Lack of development, locked bootloader and unable to unlock it. The fact it has a 21 mp sensor and I'm obligated to use 8 mp to take better photos than If took it with 21mp, video recording full HD only at 30 when the hardware can do 60 fps. And so on.
It's a shame. This device has a lot of potencial but it's wasted.
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Totally agree with you, first and last device from Sony ...
It's like a powerfull phone, but he used only 50% of this power .... I'm really sad ...
Pictures are good in auto but only 8 Mpx, yes why put 21 mpx then ? .... :-/

You can do it with 20mp mod (xposed).
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jordane1993 said:
Totally agree with you, first and last device from Sony ...
It's like a powerfull phone, but he used only 50% of this power .... I'm really sad ...
Pictures are good in auto but only 8 Mpx, yes why put 21 mpx then ? .... :-/
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Because you get better images that way. Unlike older cameras that simply subsampled the image, the Z1 uses information from multiple pixels to reduce random noise. This is exactly what Nokia does with the 808 and some crappier Windows Phone models (1020, 1520).
With a high pixel count camera, you get very dense information. You most likely don't need such a dense information: you can print an 8MP image on A4 and still be over 300 dpi. When you look at the image on your screen, the PC/phone will blindly reduce the resolution to match your screen (which is 1920x1080, about 2 megapixels).
In other words, unless for specific corner cases, 20 megapixels is overkill. So, you're better off using that dense information to get a better, lower density image. The methods Nokia/Sony use for that are derived from seismic image processing, which is one of the cornerstones of the oil industry. Very complex, very well tested, and very accurate. For 99.99% of the pictures you take, they will be better than the raw 20MP image (and you do have the option to get the raw 20MP image when you shoot manual, although those corner cases are when a real camera would be the best choice).

Steve_max said:
Because you get better images th......bla, bla, bla
...bla,bla, bla.. ot manual, although those corner cases are when a real camera would be the best choice).
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Great story but mine pictures, no matter which pixel density, still with a lot of noise. Unacceptable for a kind of high-tech device and camera.

Steve_max said:
Because you get better images that way. Unlike older cameras that simply subsampled the image, the Z1 uses information from multiple pixels to reduce random noise. This is exactly what Nokia does with the 808 and some crappier Windows Phone models (1020, 1520).
With a high pixel count camera, you get very dense information. You most likely don't need such a dense information: you can print an 8MP image on A4 and still be over 300 dpi. When you look at the image on your screen, the PC/phone will blindly reduce the resolution to match your screen (which is 1920x1080, about 2 megapixels).
In other words, unless for specific corner cases, 20 megapixels is overkill. So, you're better off using that dense information to get a better, lower density image. The methods Nokia/Sony use for that are derived from seismic image processing, which is one of the cornerstones of the oil industry. Very complex, very well tested, and very accurate. For 99.99% of the pictures you take, they will be better than the raw 20MP image (and you do have the option to get the raw 20MP image when you shoot manual, although those corner cases are when a real camera would be the best choice).
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Thaks for information Then i used only 8 mpx for better quality
I don't know before how the pictures was token, now i can know how, and that good to say ! Thanks !

That hover looks good, is it a standalone mod? Or is pa a prerequisite? I'm thinking that this is my last Sony too. The fact that were tied to flash tool and using a computer is just a pain in the backside. Not to Menton the fact that my first z1 was unlockable. HTC and the one plus one for me. Maybe even the note 4.
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There is no denying it, Xperia Cameras suck :(

Let me just first put it out there that I'm a loyal Sony guy. I've owned the Xperia TL, Xperia ZL, Xperia Z1 and now the Xperia Z3C.
With that said, I knew the Sony cameras took subpar pics, whether in full auto or manual mode, they just look bad. Add low light or indoor to the mix, and you've got what looks like a pic from a 2005 Nokia phone. Sorry, I know we all love our Xperias, but Sony should be ashamed of themselves for doing this, considering that they make awesome DSLRs and point and shoots.
So why am I being a rabble rouser all of a sudden? Well, I just got a Note 4 as my work phone and needless to say, I was blown away by the camera results. The differences are night and day between the two. Sadly, I'm supposed to be carrying my work phone just during work days, but I found myself leaving my Z3C at home and going out with the Note 4 this weekend, and you should see the pics I took.
I don't know if the lens is good but the software is bad on the Sony, but if there is any hope that Lollipop will make it better with RAW, I sure hope Sony takes advantage of it.

I agree. The camera of the Lumia 925 that I had, was much better than the camera's compact Z3.
To be honest, this camera does not please me one bit, outside the fact that it does not have optical image stabilizer.

Check the "post pictures that you have taken with your z3c" or something thread. Also, photos will naturally look better on amoled. Transfer your z3c pictures to Note 4 and then look at them again. Might seem better. I find both cameras great by the way
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I wouldn't say suck. I'd just say average.
If you buy this phone for the camera, you're doing it from the wrong direction.
It'd be like buying this phone for the 'best speakers on the market', when HTC One's are those.
The Z3C phone is the best for compact and power; it's a pocket rocket and that's what it specializes at first and foremost, second being its water proof-dust proof without being some rugged phone.
So why am I being a rabble rouser all of a sudden? Well, I just got a Note 4 as my work phone and needless to say, I was blown away by the camera results. The differences are night and day between the two. Sadly, I'm supposed to be carrying my work phone just during work days, but I found myself leaving my Z3C at home and going out with the Note 4 this weekend, and you should see the pics I took.
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If you're taking around a Note 4, then you're clearly weren't in for the Z3C's compact and pocket rocket in the first place, and you're now choosing the best camera in stead.

Please just tell me that you're comparing pictures on a PC.

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Please just tell me that you're comparing pictures on a PC.
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EXACTLY.
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You are comparing a quad HD display to a 720p. You're not comparing the camera performance. Just the display. I'd do the comparison again on a PC

I still don't understand what is wrong with Sony's compact camera ... my compact camera is taking great pictures :laugh:

No, I've been comparing the photos on my thunderbolt display, so no bias toward the Note 4's screen in any way.
And no, I'm not all sold on the Note 4, I still can't live without the compactness of my Z3C.
I will take identical photos from both phones today and post here.

Z3c camera doesn't suck, it's "just" above average.
The only other phone with superior camera that rivals Z3C's performance, size and specs is the iPhone 5s to be honest.
Samsung phones have the best cameras overall, but their devices aren't one-hand friendly.

If you want top notch pictures then you need to buy a decent camera.. For a mobile phone camera it does its job, I have no issues with it.
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pricey2009 said:
If you want top notch pictures then you need to buy a decent camera.. For a mobile phone camera it does its job, I have no issues with it.
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Try Lumia920. I still prefer it.

Compare any Nokia you want against an alpha 6000 (or any dslr or mirrorless camera).
Once you go big lenses and big sensors, you never go back.

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I still don't understand what is wrong with Sony's compact camera ... my compact camera is taking great pictures :laugh:
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I'm curious what's settings are you using?(mode, iso, etc)
Any tip to improve my photos?

XQC said:
Z3c camera doesn't suck, it's "just" above average.
The only other phone with superior camera that rivals Z3C's performance, size and specs is the iPhone 5s to be honest.
Samsung phones have the best cameras overall, but their devices aren't one-hand friendly.
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Pretty much this.
I see nothing but good things about Samsung's phones, but when they get smaller and remove those physical buttons, I'll consider grabbing one... which may be never since it's their signature.

cerberustri said:
I'm curious what's settings are you using?(mode, iso, etc)
Any tip to improve my photos?
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There is no universal recipe for taking good photos. All parameters are heavily dependant on the camera specs.
In my case, I'm taking usable photos even at ISO6400 and, with a size reduction afterwards, I can even go higher (12800).
The aperture is dependant on the lens you are using. A too large aperture will lead to blurry edges and soft images on cheap lenses. A too closed one will generate light fringing leading to artefacts. Then there is the focal length .... again, the lenses are behaving totally different.
It's all coming down to trial and error and understanding the limitations of your equipment.
And coming back on-topic, I would love to have full manual controls over the Z3C's camera (including long exposure and RAW data). That will allow for truly great photos with this tiny camera.

The most terrible thing I am concerned about is "soft skin" effect that seems to be always turned on.
See the discussion here: https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z3-Compact/Soft-Skin-effect/td-p/838361/highlight/false/page/4

ro_explorer said:
There is no universal recipe for taking good photos. All parameters are heavily dependant on the camera specs.
In my case, I'm taking usable photos even at ISO6400 and, with a size reduction afterwards, I can even go higher (12800).
The aperture is dependant on the lens you are using. A too large aperture will lead to blurry edges and soft images on cheap lenses. A too closed one will generate light fringing leading to artefacts. Then there is the focal length .... again, the lenses are behaving totally different.
It's all coming down to trial and error and understanding the limitations of your equipment.
And coming back on-topic, I would love to have full manual controls over the Z3C's camera (including long exposure and RAW data). That will allow for truly great photos with this tiny camera.
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I think, he thought you took the picture of the camera, with your Z3C. And so, was asking what settings you had on your phone to make the picture of the camera look so good compared to his.

ogyct said:
The most terrible thing I am concerned about is "soft skin" effect that seems to be always turned on.
See the discussion here: https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z3-Compact/Soft-Skin-effect/td-p/838361/highlight/false/page/4
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Yeah. It's still not fixed in lollipop update.
I just don't understand why they don't fix this bug. It's a simple thing to fix i think, and because of that, front camera isn't useable at all!!

Calvat said:
I think, he thought you took the picture of the camera, with your Z3C. And so, was asking what settings you had on your phone to make the picture of the camera look so good compared to his.
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Actually I took that picture with the z3c just to show what I'm actually using to take photos . The phones camera was on auto but, the camera itself is only part of the picture. There is also framing and there is also light.
BTW, these are a bunch of samples captured today, on manual mode, with z3c running lollipop (for who is interested). In my opinion the quality of the camera is pretty low but still, usable in case of emergency.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B08eVSlv8mIUNnBTcTc5YmlHcVk/view?usp=sharing
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