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LG G Pad 8.3 available at Best Buy for $299

For those of you who don't have one yet, better pick one up while they're still discounted. I don't see any reason to pay $349 for the Google Play Edition, as the software should be interchangeable with a few simple mods.

Got my 8.3 G Pad from Newegg for $250.
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it was $280 on saturday. One day sale. i ordered it for pick up but still haven't picked up. I was waiting to see what google was going to release.

GTabJosh said:
For those of you who don't have one yet, better pick one up while they're still discounted. I don't see any reason to pay $349 for the Google Play Edition, as the software should be interchangeable with a few simple mods.
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+1 I think that's good advice.

GTabJosh said:
For those of you who don't have one yet, better pick one up while they're still discounted. I don't see any reason to pay $349 for the Google Play Edition, as the software should be interchangeable with a few simple mods.
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Completely agree

Cheapest DECENT Android smartphone in 2015

I've seen the specs and I believe this is going to be the cheapest usable Android smartphone in 2015.
What do you guys think?

Sd410 is ****

I've bought one today for my dad. However I read someone mention on gsm arena that this Moto G is going to be rubbish compared to previous versions, because its made by Lenovo and not Google. Is this something to be concerned about or just a random opinion from a Google fan?

That makes no sense.
As far as I understand, Lenovo just bought Motorola to get access to the NA/EU phone market.
Why would it mess with the internal workings of a company that's been around longer than Lenovo's parent company???
Manufacturing shouldn't change from when it was owned by Google, who bought it for patent and manufacturing reasons.

I'm a little surprised there isn't more talk about the device on here. I'm currently on the iPhone 6 Plus but want to get myself the Moto G to play with and use as a back up.
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Why would it mess with the internal workings of a company that's been around longer than Lenovo's parent company???
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If you are talking about IBM, IBM doesn't own Lenovo. Also, IBM has been around (not called IBM back then) since the 1890's, where Motorola has only been around since the 1920's.
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This is far away from the cheapest decent android phone in my city(Hong Kong)
There are Xiaomi,Mizhu(?),Huawei,ASUS(for the zenphone 2 with 4gb ram,13mp camera, full hd display,5.x display and sell with about the same price as moto g did off -contract)
And you can buy even OnePlus One in any retail smartphone shop
This moto G is not the best cheapest phone anymore
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I'm an iPhone user, but I'm using the Moto G as a backup Android device. I like it. It's not a world-beater, but no one expected it to be. Solid device.
Here's my review:

Good overview of all the features you are getting for your money.
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2015/07/29/moto-g-2015-hands-on-video​

Nice.. hopefully no lags here.. hhhm

JeffBenjamin said:
I'm an iPhone user, but I'm using the Moto G as a backup Android device. I like it. It's not a world-beater, but no one expected it to be. Solid device.
Here's my review:
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Jeff, which version did you review; was it the unlocked US XT1540? I was hoping the charging cable was a two piece set; micro USB and walk plug.
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alfick3 said:
Jeff, which version did you review; was it the unlocked US XT1540? I was hoping the charging cable was a two piece set; micro USB and walk plug.
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Yep, the unlocked US XT1540. And nope, it's a combine cable/plug. Kind of weird.

Thank you sir. Oh well, not a show stopper, just a small bump in the road.
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Firstly I wasn't talking about IBM. IBM sold Lenovo it's PC unit and IBM now focuses on services for the backbone/back office of the internet and intranets.
Back on topic -
Motorola for the second time has released a new phone that was GSM only first and then re-release with a few updated and adds an LTE radio.
The 2nd gen LTE Moto G was too expensive for a terrible camera. My Radiant has a bad enough camera but I used it for work anyway and still got decent pictures.
I opted to fix my Optimus G which I dropped on the screen side and it shattered = $155; as I was having space issues despite installing Link2SD on my Radiant.
This was back in May, I couldn't afford to wait for Motorola to announce an updated 3rd gen Moto G with the LTE radio.
Now I am dealing with a screen that has a mind of it's own. I can no longer make or take calls as the screen goes dark completely and I have no access to the dial or other phone controls. I used to get around this by connecting it to my BT headphones but that stopped working. The only way it works with the screen on now is -
1) Connected to the BT in my Panasonic Link2Cell cordless
2) My Car's BT (factory)
That's just the tip of the problems I have now. Otherwise the phone works fine.
I will keep it around for it's camera and video capabilities.
Now the decision is -
1) Moto G for $180 but it's skimpy on RAM and internal memory
2) Moto G for $219 but it's hardly better than the Asus Zenphone 2
I am leaning towards the Zenphone 2 actually because it seems to work well in low light. As I said I use my phone for work and while store lights are overall fine, the light isn't bright like a sunshine or controlled lighting under more ideal conditions.
Actually I should get a phone with optical stabilization since I don't have the calmest hands in the world and it sometimes takes two or three shots for get a sharp picture.
The One Plus Two has that, but not the Moto X? Hmmm... Not sure I want to shell out $400 for a phone though, I have other pressing priorities.

the MOTO is one thing I'd like to try.. Never own one and based on several reviews, they're looking good. I'm leaning for the cheaper one. I think it's aint a bad idea after all

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Nina.s said:
I've bought one today for my dad. However I read someone mention on gsm arena that this Moto G is going to be rubbish compared to previous versions, because its made by Lenovo and not Google. Is this something to be concerned about or just a random opinion from a Google fan?
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Could you share new messages app apk of Moto G 3rd Gen?

amarentine said:
Nice.. hopefully no lags here.. hhhm
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I just came from Moto G 2014. Was using Titan Prime Rom + Greenify donation + Custom kernel + Xposed + Amplify + Tasker. The phone sucked on stock but I made it a beast for the last few months. However, I couldn't resist the camera, battery and ram upgrade and traded in my 2014 and got the G 2015 and I have used it only for a day but I can tell without a doubt, I find it smoother than my G 2014 (the tweaked one). Everything runs the way it is supposed to and I've about 40 odd apps installed and it still runs without any lag or jitters and the battery life is good. Been using it from noon today (it is 10.45p.m. here), battery is down to 56% and 3 hours 10 mins of SOT and out of this 1.5hrs I downloaded 40 apps on a very slow WiFi. So yeah, very happy with the phone as of now.

No NFC in 2015...

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Not sure I want to shell out $400 for a phone though, I have other pressing priorities.
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If you are not willing to shell out $500 (or more) for a phone, then you shouldn't expect to get a great camera with OIS. At least not now. In a few months the S6 will come down in price.

JulesJam said:
If you are not willing to shell out $500 (or more) for a phone, then you shouldn't expect to get a great camera with OIS. At least not now. In a few months the S6 will come down in price.
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Not denying that, I just didn't want a worse camera than my current phone.
It won't come down that much, an LG G3 is now $399 unlocked (AT&T) and the G2 is about $280.

Battery destroyed my phone. What now?

I picked up my Nexus 4 today to change songs and the rear was burning hot , the protective case was broken, and after removing the protective case I saw that the back panel of the phone had separated from the case (it appears to be attached with glue) and looking inside I see that the battery is a giant bubble. Figures, I just installed Chroma and was still very happy with the phone.
I had a battery on order and will try and fix it depending on the damage it caused, but I really can't be without a phone in the meantime. The new Nexus phones are just way too expensive. Any recommendations of something that is the caliber of the Nexus 4 or maybe a little better. Don't care what brand, just want something that will run Marshmallow, is easily rootable and will work with AT&T Straight Talk. I would also like 32GB as I am running out of space, but then the price starts to soar, so I gather that would be a no go.

Moto X or HTC Desire Eye are the best choices for you, I think.

bv31top said:
Moto X or HTC Desire Eye are the best choices for you, I think.
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I thought I had come across one of the Motos as being a popular replacement during my reading of the various phone forums, but wasn't sure which model. I see that the Moto-G is pretty popular and gets good budget phone reviews many places; it is similar to the Moto-X with lower specs that are somewhat close to the Nexus 4. Going to look around the web today and tomorrow and will have to pick something soon.

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I thought I had come across one of the Motos as being a popular replacement during my reading of the various phone forums, but wasn't sure which model. I see that the Moto-G is pretty popular and gets good budget phone reviews many places; it is similar to the Moto-X with lower specs that are somewhat close to the Nexus 4. Going to look around the web today and tomorrow and will have to pick something soon.
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Well, if you really want the Moto G (3rd Gen.), be sure to buy the 16GB version.

try for optimus g, it even comes as a 32gb model if you find the right one

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Well, if you really want the Moto G (3rd Gen.), be sure to buy the 16GB version.
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Yeah, I saw that the 16GB has 2 GB ram while the 8GB only has 1GB ram, so the 16GB would be a definite. Another huge positive about the phone is you can add an SD card to internal memory. I have a lot of songs and was running out of space to make TWRP nandroid backups on the Nexus 4, even when compressing them. Lot of good those backups are doing now, although they came in handy in the past. I wonder if my Titanium backup would help to restore things to the new phone, or is it even worth it since Google saves almost everything including most application information.

Although, the Moto G is somewhat less powerful than the N4. It would be a downgrade to choose it. Yeah, the Moto is newer, has less bugs but still, the 410 chip is slower than the S4 Pro found in the N4. Have you considered N5? It's around 200$ on Amazon.

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Although, the Moto G is somewhat less powerful than the N4. It would be a downgrade to choose it. Yeah, the Moto is newer, has less bugs but still, the 410 chip is slower than the S4 Pro found in the N4. Have you considered N5? It's around 200$ on Amazon.
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That is for the 16GB version and I ran out of storage on my Nexus 4. Also a lot of those Nexus postings on Amazon are for refurbished or used phones, which is not clear in some cases until you start digging through the reviews. Yet another problem is that there is no warranty on most. So that isn't going to work.

Some questions before I order?

I am very excited to order a new Moto G4 Plus, it will be a replacement for my One Plus X which was stolen about 6 weeks ago.
Amazon UK have the following listing:
Motorola Moto G4 Plus 16GB Dual SIM-Free Smartphone - White - Exclusive to Amazon for £199 (€221/$248)
The Dual SIM would be useful for my work number, but not at the price of a white phone!
Am I correct the Moto G4 Plus cannot be bought for that price dual SIM in black?
If so would it be possible and cost effective to order that white dual SIM model and a black front and back bezel?
Otherwise I was thinking of ordering this model:
Motorola Moto G4 Plus 16GB SIM-Free Smartphone - Black (Single SIM) - (Exclusive to Amazon) for £199
Unless there are issues with heat or performance with that model and I should consider a 3GB RAM model instead? I have a 128GB Sandisk MicroSD card so I thought I could get by with 16GB of on board memory...

dusf said:
Am I correct the Moto G4 Plus cannot be bought for that price dual SIM in black?
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That's correct.
dusf said:
If so would it be possible and cost effective to order that white dual SIM model and a black front and back bezel?
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The G4 Plus is available in black directly from Motorola for £229.00
www.motorola.co.uk/products/motomaker/FLEXR10UK?version=16MP32GB&front-color=color-black

HE4VYCR0WN said:
The G4 Plus is available in black directly from Motorola for £229.00
www.motorola.co.uk/products/motomaker/FLEXR10UK?version=16MP32GB&front-color=color-black
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Thanks, I think I would pay the £30 for the bump from 16GB to 32GB, in black, and dual SIM. I do not see anywhere on that page it is dual SIM, are you absolutely certain it is?

dusf said:
Thanks, I think I would pay the £30 for the bump from 16GB to 32GB, in black, and dual SIM. I do not see anywhere on that page it is dual SIM, are you absolutely certain it is?
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I just read on another page:
Dual SIM standard on all Moto Maker Moto G4 Plus handsets.
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This may not be relevant considering the reasons you're upgrading from OPX, but given my few days experience with OPX you'd miss its fantastic OLED display on MOTO G. At the cost of sounding discouraging, being a current Moto G4 plus user I'd recommend considering another phone for your intended purpose of upgrading. This is based on my two month rigorous use and finding far too many issues with Moto G4 plus for its hype. For one, unless you aren't fond of dedicating a few hours each day flashing ROMs and tweaking settings or installing mods, heating-up and ghost touch issues, apart from Moto G's build and design are not easy to accept for the price you pay for this fourth moto G iteration which is far from its predecessors' in terms of quality and performance.
As for the memory, going from 16 to 32 gig is surely worthwhile though only if there weren't other 32Gig phones out there offering better performance at prolly more competent prices.
Sorry if I sound sore, but couldn't help being honest with what I've learned from buying this phone.
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Frances91 said:
This may not be relevant considering the reasons you're upgrading from OPX, but given my few days experience with OPX you'd miss its fantastic OLED display on MOTO G. At the cost of sounding discouraging, being a current Moto G4 plus user I'd recommend considering another phone for your intended purpose of upgrading. This is based on my two month rigorous use and finding far too many issues with Moto G4 plus for its hype. For one, unless you aren't fond of dedicating a few hours each day flashing ROMs and tweaking settings or installing mods, heating-up and ghost touch issues, apart from Moto G's build and design are not easy to accept for the price you pay for this fourth moto G iteration which is far from its predecessors' in terms of quality and performance.
As for the memory, going from 16 to 32 gig is surely worthwhile though only if there weren't other 32Gig phones out there offering better performance at prolly more competent prices.
Sorry if I sound sore, but couldn't help being honest with what I've learned from buying this phone.
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Oh, I had thought the heat issues were resolved!
I actually ordered a few days go, Motorola's website told me so, but then sent me an email saying it was cancelled. I queried this with support and they told me it was because my bank declined the transfer, but I spoke with my bank and they said Motorola never tried to take the money!
I just ordered again about an hour ago...
What phone would you recommend instead? I was pretty set on the Moto G4 Plus

Why don't get a Note 7 instead.

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Why don't get a Note 7 instead.
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I don't have a G4 Plus but I do have a G4 XT1625. It blows my previous Moto G2 out of the water in performance, battery life and reliability. No major issues at all on stock or with the custom ROM I now use. I have been using it for about two months and couldn't be happier with it.

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And why not shoot yourself in the foot at the same time? Do you not read the news? The Note 7 has had more issues than any phone in the history of smartphones. Samsung has lost over $2 billion due to Note 7 issues and recalls. Even the replacements for the original recalls have been pulled off the market. Avoid the Note 7 like the plague.
I don't have a G4 Plus but I do have a G4 XT1625. It blows my previous Moto G2 out of the water in performance, battery life and reliability. No major issues at all on stock or with the custom ROM I now use. I have been using it for about two months and couldn't be happier with it.
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You know what irony and sarcasm is, right?

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You know what irony and sarcasm is, right?
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Okay, I missed that. But he was asking for serious advice so I guess I didn't expect it. Just sayin'.

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Okay, I missed that. But he was asking for serious advice so I guess I didn't expect it. Just sayin'.
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That was the laughing smiley for.

Okay, so it seems most would recommend their Moto G4 Plus.
Another 'Moto-maker' order cancelled by Motorola UK. After speaking with 3 technical support agents through their web based Live Chat, and being unable to get a clear answer from either one of them, I phoned and spoke with someone whose first language was actually English, and they explained the orders were cancelled because I was using a redirection service.
As I am in the Republic of Ireland I cannot order directly from Motorola UK, instead I tried using the same forwarder I always use for this kind of thing, but it is blacklsited by Motorola UK. Not sure what to do now, I really want a black dual SIM 32GB G4 Plus, but I do not want to pay Amazon an extra £39 for the privilege! It would be a real shame if I had to instead opt for the black single sim 16GB model from Amazon.
I am not sure what to do now, perhaps see if any family have friends in the UK that would manually forward it.

Sorry about that, I wasn't aware you'd already ordered for one, could have toned down the bad stuff I've had to say.
I guess, having shopped around a bit, doesn't look like there's much to choose from if I were to get a different phone, besides to be more honest my budget won't allow an upgrade just as yet. So guess I'll live with it for now and while my time away installing and uninstalling programs to squeeze out whatever good I can from my Moto G4 Plus.
And yes, majority moto g4 owners do seem to be swearing by their phones, that should ideally suffice to join their lot, besides making it worth buying considering there's going to be no dearth of dedicated forums and communities and such.
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FWIW, there are things I'd like to see like NFC, a magnetic compass and water repellent like the G3 but all in all it's a pretty solid phone for the price. Oh yea, it doesn't have the built-in heater like some Samsung phones but I can live without that.
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Where to buy G5 Plus locally?

My local best buy seems to never have anything in the phone world unless it costs $500 plus even when the website says so. I rather have the G5S Plus but will take a G5 Plus 32GB. Moto says it's sold out of the gray g5s plus. So what stores would you suggest I go look at locally? I'm in a city of 200K so we have the usual stores here. Seems like retailers rather get you inside a store rather than say they are out of stock. My current phone has a fully busted screen so I much rather have a new device asap tomorrow morning. Phone will be used on Metro pcs / T-Mobile network
Thanks in advance

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My local best buy seems to never have anything in the phone world unless it costs $500 plus even when the website says so. I rather have the G5S Plus but will take a G5 Plus 32GB. Moto says it's sold out of the gray g5s plus. So what stores would you suggest I go look at locally? I'm in a city of 200K so we have the usual stores here. Seems like retailers rather get you inside a store rather than say they are out of stock. My current phone has a fully busted screen so I much rather have a new device asap tomorrow morning. Phone will be used on Metro pcs / T-Mobile network
Thanks in advance
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Target and Walmart are both selling the phone in my area. Give them both a call and see what they have in stock in your area.

MustangLife03 said:
My local best buy seems to never have anything in the phone world unless it costs $500 plus even when the website says so. I rather have the G5S Plus but will take a G5 Plus 32GB. Moto says it's sold out of the gray g5s plus. So what stores would you suggest I go look at locally? I'm in a city of 200K so we have the usual stores here. Seems like retailers rather get you inside a store rather than say they are out of stock. My current phone has a fully busted screen so I much rather have a new device asap tomorrow morning. Phone will be used on Metro pcs / T-Mobile network
Thanks in advance
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Not sure where you live, but I live in a rural state and am over 400 miles from any city over 500k or so, and the only place I have found this device is at BestBuy... Almost every BestBuy store stocks it around here, even in Bismarck, ND, they have 13 phones under $200.
I have never had much luck at Target or Walmart for phones, all they carry around here is branded pre-paid devices.
If you live in a bigger city, you have some more options... B&H Photo, MicroCenter, or Fry's Electronics may carry this or something else like it in store.
If you absolutely need it tomorrow, might need to do some digging on Best Buy... Some other options would be Axon 7 Mini (my son has had this phone a year or so, it is extremely under-rated device, nicer than my G5 Plus in most regards for $100 less), Blu R1 Plus (there is a BB exclusive model, almost every store carries it), Asus ZenFone 3 Max, or ZTE Blade V8 Pro. Just about every BestBuy I have seen in the 8 states I travel to frequently stock at least a dozen unlocked >$300 phones, but you often have to dig for them as they aren't always out in the open. I deal with Best Buy a lot, it isn't uncommon in some areas to have to show the person working there the app and say "you have this somewhere and I would like to buy it now, can you find it for me?" and they usually come up with it in some back room stock or something.
Otherwise, as much as I hate to say it, but overnight shipping from Amazon might be worth it.

I was going to start a new thread but the subject thread still applies...
In 2019 does anyone know where to find a 4GB/64GB XT1687? Motorola no longer sells it, Amazon only has their Amazon Prime with locked down bootloader. Third parties aren't forthcoming about what they're offering.
I live in California and purchased one from a fellow Californian but once I got it it turned out to be the Amazon version. Bah! Anyone know of any sellers selling the regular Motorola version.
I like playing with older ROMs. My daily driver since 2014 has been a LG G3. I run and multiboot between KitKat through Oreo ROMs. Fun stuff but I've been through three of those. They fail for one reason or another.
I have other devices but they're either Oreo+ or just too much trouble when going from one Android version to another. Potter has/had googobs of development so there's always something to play with. Granted, Nougat+ I believe but that's cool.
If anyone knows of any reliable sellers for the phone I'd appreciate any pointers.

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If anyone knows of any reliable sellers for the phone I'd appreciate any pointers.
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I saw a few on ebay the other day. That's where I'd get mine from if I wanted another today.
Don't buy them all though so I can have one when my current one dies! :laugh:

peskystats said:
I saw a few on ebay the other day. That's where I'd get mine from if I wanted another today.
Don't buy them all though so I can have one when my current one dies! [emoji23]
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LOL. Okay, I'll try to control myself.
Thanks, I haven't been on eBay in a long time. Will take a look. N1wireless has the phone but I suspect it's Amazon so sent a mail to their sales group. A week later and they haven't responded. Not a good sign.
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Need to look very close at phones listed on eBay. I bought a ""New-In-Box!" phone a few weeks ago that was not new at all. Of course the same thing with Amazon, lot of people have complained about getting refurbishes (or worse) phones when the listing said "new". If you find something you like on eBay or Amazon, contact the seller before you buy! And/or at least read some of the seller reviews., especially looking for any negative ones.
About a month ago I got super-lucky and found a definitely-new 64gb G5 Plus on Swappa, for $160. Yeah like I said, super-lucky.
Like acejavelin said a while back . . .
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. . . has been known to have the exact phone I was looking for at a competitive price, online ordering.
But if you're not looking for new, I would recommend checking Swappa first. Right this minute they have two "Mint" G5 Pluses listed, and a "Good" phone with 64gb. I've bought several phones on Swappa and every one has been what it was advertised to be. They screen sellers and their ads pretty well, and even run a phone's IMEI before approving a listing.

Just a little update. I haven't purchased one yet. B&H Photo has none. Swappa has only one Consumer Cellular phone.
N1Wireless finally got back to me. They said all of theirs are regular Motorola phones, not Amazon Prime models. They still have the 4/64 models, open box, both Gold and Lunar Gray.
Understandably, pickins are gettin' slim for older phones.
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marcdw said:
Just a little update. I haven't purchased one yet. B&H Photo has none. Swappa has only one Consumer Cellular phone.
N1Wireless finally got back to me. They said all of theirs are regular Motorola phones, not Amazon Prime models. They still have the 4/64 models, open box, both Gold and Lunar Gray.
Understandably, pickins are gettin' slim for older phones.
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Umm... The regular Moto 4/64 version is the one you want. You don't want a carrier variant or the Amazon one. Color-wise, throw it in a case and be good to go regardless.
At this point the device is two years old though... Why not look at a new Nokia or (if budget allows) Pixel 3a device. One thing we are seeing with later Moto devices is they are really designed to die at 2 years, things start failing quickly especially the battery which is a bugger to replace.

Oh, of course on the first points. Was just mentioning what was out there.
The only reason I was looking at the potter is because I like to play (usually multiboot) with older ROMs, which I prefer. Potter had a grip of goodies to play with.
My main phone has been the LG G3 where I multiboot between KitKat thru Oreo ROMs. Fun stuff. Daily/primary was a fave LP used since 2015. After screen was failing on the third one I started looking at the G5 Plus.
I have other phones (ZTE Axon 7, Moto G5s Plus, Essential PH-1, and little ole Galaxy Light) so not in actual need. I'm sure this fourth G3 will fail in some way shortly, hence the hunt.
Not interested in new phones, or new Androids to be exact. I have no interest in Pie and barely tolerate Oreo. Though I almost got a OnePlus 6T but the IRS snatched up my refund (can't get away from old school loans I guess. LOL).
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