So the developer edition of note 3 is on samsungs webpage, but I dont see anyway to buy it without it being full price. Is there any major difference between the two? I know one has an unlocked bootloader, but 2 questions. Is there not some way to import the unlocked status to the non-developer edition? Just the same, are we now going to have 2 versions of ROMs, one for the developer edition, and one for the non-developer?
xFaultx said:
So the developer edition of note 3 is on samsungs webpage, but I dont see anyway to buy it without it being full price. Is there any major difference between the two? I know one has an unlocked bootloader, but 2 questions. Is there not some way to import the unlocked status to the non-developer edition? Just the same, are we now going to have 2 versions of ROMs, one for the developer edition, and one for the non-developer?
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In a nutshell the dev edition has an unlocked bootloader which allows kernel's to be flashed, along with no worries of being locked down by a future vzw update. Current rom's work on both editions. You can only buy it from Samsung for full price as it does not receive any support or updates. You cannot add insurance to the dev edition and the warranty is only 30 days.
xFaultx said:
So the developer edition of note 3 is on samsungs webpage, but I dont see anyway to buy it without it being full price. Is there any major difference between the two? I know one has an unlocked bootloader, but 2 questions. Is there not some way to import the unlocked status to the non-developer edition? Just the same, are we now going to have 2 versions of ROMs, one for the developer edition, and one for the non-developer?
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Dev Edition: unlocked bootloader, which allows you to flash kernels, roms, and basically do anything that you want to with you phone.
Non-Dev Edition: locked bootloader, can still root and flash roms, but the selection is very limited
I know the verizon dev-edition Note 3 can flash verizon and t-mobile roms
njfoses said:
In a nutshell the dev edition has an unlocked bootloader which allows kernel's to be flashed, along with no worries of being locked down by a future vzw update. Current rom's work on both editions. You can only buy it from Samsung for full price as it does not receive any support or updates. You cannot add insurance to the dev edition and the warranty is only 30 days.
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hey guys .i just pre-ordered htc one developer edition.what do you think i get the benefits purchasing the developer edition instead of at&t version.
do you think it works with at&t and t-mobile lte networks ?
will i get the software upgrades first like the international version ?
normally the at&t version device get upgrades very late compared to the international version devices.i always wanted to buy a device which works on every kind of gsm networks(hspa+,4g and lte ) in usa and internationally(3g,4g and lte).and which gets the software upgrades right on time .i thought this would be the one .
someone clarify me the choice i made was right
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hey guys .i just pre-ordered htc one developer edition.what do you think i get the benefits purchasing the developer edition instead of at&t version.
do you think it works with at&t and t-mobile lte networks ?
will i get the software upgrades first like the international version ?
normally the at&t version device get upgrades very late compared to the international version devices.i always wanted to buy a device which works on every kind of gsm networks(hspa+,4g and lte ) in usa and internationally(3g,4g and lte).and which gets the software upgrades right on time .i thought this would be the one .
someone clarify me the choice i made was right
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If you want non bloated att software, possibly faster updates, and bootloader unlockable.
Lte will work for both networks.
Updates will probably be quicker due to the fact that there is NO carrier testing. So updates should be fast as the international version.
Sure why not!
There is an entire thread dedicated to this. The dev edition had an unlocked bootloader and SIM. It will only function on AT&T correctly at the moment, but later this year tmobile should have enough of their lte and refarmed hspa network up for it to work properly on there.
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sush143555 said:
hey guys .i just pre-ordered htc one developer edition.what do you think i get the benefits purchasing the developer edition instead of at&t version.
do you think it works with at&t and t-mobile lte networks ?
will i get the software upgrades first like the international version ?
normally the at&t version device get upgrades very late compared to the international version devices.i always wanted to buy a device which works on every kind of gsm networks(hspa+,4g and lte ) in usa and internationally(3g,4g and lte).and which gets the software upgrades right on time .i thought this would be the one .
someone clarify me the choice i made was right
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The benefit of the Developer Edition is the unlocked bootloader (allows you to use custom ROM), and the unlocked sim (which ATT won't unlock for you even if you buy outright).
Since it is a non-branded handset, it should allow you to upgrade your software like the international version, although this is not as important if you use custom ROMs (since Custom ROMs usually updates as new software is released).
The Developer Edition will work perfectly with AT&T for HSPA and LTE as it is identical besides the branding and unlocked status. It will likely work with T-Mobile's LTE when it's ready but will not work with the 1700mhz HSPA+ network. It may however work in areas where T-Mobile uses 850/1900 frequency (Not everywhere at the moment)
So in terms of advantage over ATT version, the Developer Edition is much much better as it allows you to use customs ROMs (since you are here asking the question, I would assume custom ROM is something you would like to use). SIM unlock is not important to everyone as most will stay with the network anyways, but the lack of custom ROM ability flat out makes it the less desired version.
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The benefit of the Developer Edition is the unlocked bootloader (allows you to use custom ROM), and the unlocked sim (which ATT won't unlock for you even if you buy outright).
Since it is a non-branded handset, it should allow you to upgrade your software like the international version, although this is not as important if you use custom ROMs (since Custom ROMs usually updates as new software is released).
The Developer Edition will work perfectly with AT&T for HSPA and LTE as it is identical besides the branding and unlocked status. It will likely work with T-Mobile's LTE when it's ready but will not work with the 1700mhz HSPA+ network. It may however work in areas where T-Mobile uses 850/1900 frequency (Not everywhere at the moment)
So in terms of advantage over ATT version, the Developer Edition is much much better as it allows you to use customs ROMs (since you are here asking the question, I would assume custom ROM is something you would like to use). SIM unlock is not important to everyone as most will stay with the network anyways, but the lack of custom ROM ability flat out makes it the less desired version.
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ya am not much into the custom rom thing .am just looking for the option to use it on at&t and t-mobile and faster updates .
sush143555 said:
ya am not much into the custom rom thing .am just looking for the option to use it on at&t and t-mobile and faster updates .
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Well, you asked the questions and I answered them for you (the differences should be black and white for you). Whether or not if it's the right decision is up to you.
32gb or 64GB? Worth the extra cash?
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The benefit of the Developer Edition is the unlocked bootloader (allows you to use custom ROM), and the unlocked sim (which ATT won't unlock for you even if you buy outright).
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Hi:
I know this thread is about the dev edition but I was wondering if there's any other difference between the 32gb and 64gb dev edition? I know the dev edition has unlocked bootloader, but couldn't we achieve the same thing on the 32gb unlocked edition using this method (htcdev), or am I wrong? Thanks for your help :fingers-crossed:
gaps07 said:
Hi:
I know this thread is about the dev edition but I was wondering if there's any other difference between the 32gb and 64gb dev edition? I know the dev edition has unlocked bootloader, but couldn't we achieve the same thing on the 32gb unlocked edition using this method (htcdev), or am I wrong? Thanks for your help :fingers-crossed:
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Yes, it can be unlocked via HTC Dev. Only the AT&T branded devices will be blocked.
Edit: according to your post title, you're asking if dev edition is worth the extra money? YES. Not even $100 more for double the storage.
You can unlock yes. Your getting a extra 32 GB basically
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The benefit of the Developer Edition is the unlocked bootloader (allows you to use custom ROM), and the unlocked sim (which ATT won't unlock for you even if you buy outright).
Since it is a non-branded handset, it should allow you to upgrade your software like the international version, although this is not as important if you use custom ROMs (since Custom ROMs usually updates as new software is released).
The Developer Edition will work perfectly with AT&T for HSPA and LTE as it is identical besides the branding and unlocked status. It will likely work with T-Mobile's LTE when it's ready but will not work with the 1700mhz HSPA+ network. It may however work in areas where T-Mobile uses 850/1900 frequency (Not everywhere at the moment)
So in terms of advantage over ATT version, the Developer Edition is much much better as it allows you to use customs ROMs (since you are here asking the question, I would assume custom ROM is something you would like to use). SIM unlock is not important to everyone as most will stay with the network anyways, but the lack of custom ROM ability flat out makes it the less desired version.
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So the dev version doesn't have custom roms, or very little custom roms? If so why would that be? I love flashing roms, but this would be a real bummer.
Nevermind...I read it incorrectly. The Dev version does have custom roms. How are the custom roms different on a dev phone than lets say the sprint version?
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So the dev version doesn't have custom roms, or very little custom roms? If so why would that be? I love flashing roms, but this would be a real bummer.
Nevermind...I read it incorrectly. The Dev version does have custom roms. How are the custom roms different on a dev phone than lets say the sprint version?
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The Sprint version of the phone has different hardware as it is a CDMA phone, not a GSM phone. You could potentially brick your phone by flashing ROMS that aren't for your specific device. Stick to this forum for your mods and ROMS/kernels.
Make sure that you install a recovery (CWM or TWRP, both located in the Original Android Development section), which is necessary before you begin to flash anything. Again, ONLY FLASH MODS FOR OUR DEVICE FROM THIS FORUM
this might not the right place to ask this, but does anyone know if HTC will be releasing a developer edition in black?
I'm frustrated with the locked bootloader and lack of developer interest and no Ant+ on the latest update so I am going to buy a phone that does not annoy me. Note 3 is my leading choice but I am also considering the Xperia Z Ultra Google Play Edition.
Right now, I've got more money than time. I have tons of good paying work backed up and I would rather pay for what I want than try to stay one step ahead of some carrier's control issues / bloatware.
I'm on AT&T with a grandfathered unlimited data plan. Don't really need LTE but will take it if it makes no difference. I do want at least HSPDA.
I'm willing to shell out the full cash price for an unlocked phone with an unlocked bootloader. What I really want is a phone that will get timely updates from the manufacturer and won't try to shove a locked bootloader down my throat later. It would also be fantastic if I could get a USA warranty in the deal but I can live without that.
So is there a significant "hacker friendliness" difference between the various models? If I give up AT&T LTE frequencies for the international version, what am I getting in return (besides the obvious international frequencies)?
Thanks for your time,
David
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If I give up AT&T LTE frequencies for the international version, what am I getting in return (besides the obvious international frequencies)?
David
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A limited unlocked bootloader if you choose the N9005. The N9005 has the better development options -
However, the N900w8 (Canadian/Mexican model) has a complete unlocked BL for upgrade/downgrade 4.3/4.4. - Runs most, if not all N9005 ROMS also. - Probably your better option IMO at least -
N900T - T-Mobile similar to the N9005 but BL cannot be downgraded as freely as the N900w8
You will have to sacrifice LTE though, but as you said you aren't fussed about LTE - you should still receive 3G/H+ without issues.
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A limited unlocked bootloader if you choose the N9005. The N9005 has the better development options -
However, the N900w8 (Canadian/Mexican model) has a complete unlocked BL for upgrade/downgrade 4.3/4.4. - Runs most, if not all N9005 ROMS also. - Probably your better option IMO at least -
N900T - T-Mobile similar to the N9005 but BL cannot be downgraded as freely as the N900w8
You will have to sacrifice LTE though, but as you said you aren't fussed about LTE - you should still receive 3G/H+ without issues.
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Why would you want to downgrade the boot loader, to be able to switch to a rom that depends on an older kernel / bootloader? Or is there some other reason?
Thanks,
David
DJ_smooth said:
Why would you want to downgrade the boot loader, to be able to switch to a rom that depends on an older kernel / bootloader? Or is there some other reason?
Thanks,
David
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At first most wanted to due to CM being incompatible, however now that CM runs on the new bootloader most don't want to. - The few remaining I guess prefer 4.3 due to different errors they have had or problems on/due to 4.4.2
I just bought the note 3, and now I'm seeing the dev edition. What is that? What is the difference? And, when will the note 3 be getting kitkat? Google released the code, didn't they? And, what's up with the locked bootloader? I had the gs3 and it had a locked bootloader, unlocking it was no problem. I'm asuming the note 3 is different? Why can't we use cwm for recovery? Thanks
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I just bought the note 3, and now I'm seeing the dev edition. What is that? What is the difference? And, when will the note 3 be getting kitkat? Google released the code, didn't they? And, what's up with the locked bootloader? I had the gs3 and it had a locked bootloader, unlocking it was no problem. I'm asuming the note 3 is different? Why can't we use cwm for recovery? Thanks
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The only difference with the Developer Edition, is the bootloader is unlocked. You can only use Hashcode's Safestrap for flashing ROMs. You can't use CWM, becuase you can not flash a custom kernel, because of locked bootloader. Only Verizon knows when Retail N3 will get 4.4.2.
Does the Russian lollipop update for the note 3 include an English option & can I root the Russian lollipop update for the note 3 & will the Russian lollipop update work any note 3's including the Verizon 1 as long as you can root it & put a Verizon radio on it?
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raze5115 said:
Does the Russian lollipop update for the note 3 include an English option & can I root the Russian lollipop update for the note 3 & will the Russian lollipop update work any note 3's including the Verizon 1 as long as you can root it & put a Verizon radio on it?
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I'm defiantly sure your phone would go straight into all Russian every word. So I would not recommend unless you can read Russian as good as english. Or you will be very upset. Be careful.
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So there's no way after install to change the language from Russian to English?
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So there's no way after install to change the language from Russian to English?
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If it's a Verizon phone you can't load other than Verizon firmware
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It's a Verizon note 3 so I have to wait then right?
Yes
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I am in the uk with Verizon note 3 on vodafone network. Any one know why exactly I cant flash n9005 firmware as internal components are the same. Both cpu and gpu are the same. Both 32gb rom and 3 gb ram. Both use 13mp camera and both use 802 wifi. Same bluetooth. Same screen size and resolution. Are they not the same build? Not being a verizon customer I have no need for all the stupid bloatware. Not worried about root but I am interested in the faster and more reliable performance of European lollipop firmware. Have verizon done something or are there other reasons?
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I am in the uk with Verizon note 3 on vodafone network. Any one know why exactly I cant flash n9005 firmware as internal components are the same. Both cpu and gpu are the same. Both 32gb rom and 3 gb ram. Both use 13mp camera and both use 802 wifi. Same bluetooth. Same screen size and resolution. Are they not the same build? Not being a verizon customer I have no need for all the stupid bloatware. Not worried about root but I am interested in the faster and more reliable performance of European lollipop firmware. Have verizon done something or are there other reasons?
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Because the Verizon phones are locked to only allow Verizon firmware (ROM) to be loaded on them.
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Is it locked from the bootloader because my model shows an unlocked padlock during boot and says custom. Does that mean mine may be a developer edition in which case could I flash n9005 firmware?
If your bootloader is unlocked then yes you do have a developer edition and can indeed flash any rom you wanted to it. The only ones that have to wait are people with non developer edition note 3's cause they are locked to phone carrier roms by the bootloaders
Hey raze. Do you know how I can check if I'm developer edition?
Your model number should be SM-N900VMKEVZW instead of SM-N900V in the about phone section of your phone I think. I think that's the only way to tell if you have a developer edition or not.
What's the difference between a factory unlocked note 3 and a developer edition note 3
Apparently the developer edition comes with the unlocked bootloader so you won't void the warranty if you mess up the phone but unlocked version you have to unlock the bootloader yourself as it is capable of being unlocked but you can void warranty by doing so.
But shouldn't the factory unlocked version be the same way?
kaisersosay said:
Apparently the developer edition comes with the unlocked bootloader so you won't void the warranty if you mess up the phone but unlocked version you have to unlock the bootloader yourself as it is capable of being unlocked but you can void warranty by doing so.
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The factory VZW note 3 can not be unlocked at this time. The recovery can be changed so that you can use safestrap but the bootloader remains locked.
kaisersosay said:
Apparently the developer edition comes with the unlocked bootloader so you won't void the warranty if you mess up the phone but unlocked version you have to unlock the bootloader yourself as it is capable of being unlocked but you can void warranty by doing so.
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no you still void the warranty it is just the bootloader is unlocked and you only have a warranty through samsung not verizon...
And the retail version cant be unlocked unless some type of blessing from above happens.
and if you have a dev version under the battery it will say developer model and unless you bought it specifically as a dev unit you likely dont have a dev unit. they are 700 direct from verizon.
So both the dev & factory unlocked versions are able to be rooted at this time because they both have a unlocked bootloader right? & retail cannot be rooted right?
raze5115 said:
So both the dev & factory unlocked versions are able to be rooted at this time because they both have a unlocked bootloader right? & retail cannot be rooted right?
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what no how did you get that?
ONLY the dev unit and t-mobile and sprint have unlocked bootloaders. also if memory serves the verizon dev unit is still on a jellybean bootloader neither verizon nor samsung have provided updates and loading the retail bootloader turns the units to retail units.
the Retail of verizon and AT&T have locked bootloaders and as of 4.4.4 there is no root and no hope...
Factory unlocked is a verizon model and is sim unlocked only which is what factory unlocked means that from the factory it can go to any compatible carrier..
What is the difference between a factory unlocked note 3 and a developer edition note 3?
raze5115 said:
What is the difference between a factory unlocked note 3 and a developer edition note 3?
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On the Dev Ed, the bootloader is unlocked as opposed to the factory unlocked retail version.
This makes it possible for the Dev Ed to flash AOSP roms such as CM11 or PAC-rom, and you can flash custom kernels.
Retail versions cannot flash anything other than modified stock based roms.
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On the Dev Ed, the bootloader is unlocked as opposed to the factory unlocked retail version.
This makes it possible for the Dev Ed to flash AOSP roms such as CM11 or PAC-rom, and you can flash custom kernels.
Retail versions cannot flash anything other than modified stock based roms.
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And factory unlocked just means the software is not white listed for just one carrier Sim card or set of frequencys.
dev edition is factory unlocked plus unlocked bootloader.
So I should get a note 4 dev ed if I want to root my phone right?
raze5115 said:
So I should get a note 4 dev ed if I want to root my phone right?
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You can get root on a retail Note 3 as long as it is Android 4.4.2 build NC4 or earlier
Yeah but I'm already on 4.4.4 on a retail verizon note 3 & don't want another retail note 3
& I want to have the latest update installed