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[Resolved] Rooted Nexus One Dust Replacement

It seems quite a few people have had questions about getting a replacement phone due to a dust issue on an original rooted phone. Here is my experience:
I called HTC and began the replacement process, but did not mention my phone was rooted. Three days later I received another Nexus One with no battery and no battery cover. My observations on the differences between the old phone and the new phone can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=655966
I removed the battery cover and battery from my original phone and shipped it to HTC in Texas with the packaging and shipping label they supplied.
Approximately 5 days later (today), I received an email from HTC saying "We have completed our diagnostic tests. To review the results and confirm this quotation please visit our service site." I went to the site and there was an option to pay a $196 service fee or to pay $28 for the return shipment of my original phone (without any servicing).
I called up HTC to find out more information. The service representative pulled up my file and immediately asked me if my phone had been rooted. I had little choice at this point so I said my phone had indeed been rooted. The representative told me my options are to:
a) Pay the $196 to replace the motherboard in the phone (does this mean Goolge/HTC also do not know how to relock the bootloader?), keep the replacement phone they sent, and not receive back my original phone. This is the worst case scenario where I pay $196 to get a brand new replacement N1 with no dust issue.
b) Pay the $28 shipping charge to return my old phone, and return the replacement phone. This would bring me back to square one, with having my original rooted phone with the same dust issue.
c) Pay the $28 shipping charge to return my old phone with the same dust issue. Now I would own two full priced N1s, one that is brand new, and a second that still has a dust issue.
Most importantly, and my only hope really for coming out on top, the representative mentioned that I should call back tomorrow before 5PM EST and speak to a supervisor that has the ability to declare that rooting the phone has no impact on the dust manufacturing issue, and I could keep the replacement phone at no charge. The representative said that there is a 50/50 chance the supervisor would do this.
If the supervisor will not honor the warranty and let me keep the replacement phone for no charge, I will just return the replacement phone, get my old phone back, disassemble the phone, clean the dust out and reseal the phone with RTV or something similar.
I will call them up again tomorrow and report back what happens.
It has been difficult to resist rooting the replacement phone.
UPDATE: Through the help of a google employee, I was pointed towards this form: http://google.com/support/android/bin/request.py?contact_type=refund
If you start a ticket with this form, the Google sales team will work to help resolve voided warranty issues from an unlocked bootloader when exchanging or servicing the N1 due to a manufacturing defect.
I called HTC today and they said I was no longer going to be charged $196 because of my unlocked bootloader, and my warranty would be honored. The representative on the phone seemed to have no idea why the ticket status had changed.
I am very pleased with the outcome, and give many thanks to the Google employees that go out of their way to support their loyal customers. It is nice to know that the passion we have for Android is acknowledged and supported by the Google team.
Time to root the new N1.

I wonder if they make a distinction between rooting and an unlocked bootloader?
Because it is possible to un-root. So for other people returning phones, they could un-root, and if they ask if it's rooted, they could say no.

Paul22000 said:
I wonder if they make a distinction between rooting and an unlocked bootloader?
Because it is possible to un-root. So for other people returning phones, they could un-root, and if they ask if it's rooted, they could say no.
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Valid point, but I think the issue is voiding the warranty by unlocking the bootloader.

How do you expect HTC to honor a warranty which you clearly and willingly voided?

JD914 said:
How do you expect HTC to honor a warranty which you clearly voided willingly?
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Welcome to XDA.
I don't necessarily expect HTC to honor my voided warranty, but I am optimistic that HTC will fix my $580 defective phone from a manufacturing defect that is in no way related to rooting.
Like the representative I spoke with said, there's about a 50/50 chance it will work out. No harm in trying.

Interesting.
I think it's kind of crappy that unlocking the bootloader voids your hardware warranty too. I mean, if your phone has an obvious physical defect like this, completely unrelated to the firmware, then they should honor the warranty.

Comon, HTC, be reasonable! There is dust under the screen and nothing else is bad! That is obviously not related to rooting in any way. $196 to replace the motherboard? Yeah right! More like press a button on the computer and relock it.

i don't know if he is still around here anymore, but swetland works for google, and when the n1 came out, he was going to be an advocate for us, and if you were having obvious manufacturing defects (such as dust under the screen), he could pull strings to get it fixed for you.
i say pm him, and see if you get a response.

GldRush98 said:
Interesting.
I think it's kind of crappy that unlocking the bootloader voids your hardware warranty too. I mean, if your phone has an obvious physical defect like this, completely unrelated to the firmware, then they should honor the warranty.
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They should but in the real world they don't have to and more than likely wont. Most people don't, but if you read the literature that comes with electronic devices you'll see why they do what they do as far as warranties go.

And this is why I keep saying repeatedly, stop sending your device back people. A few specs of dust isn't worth the hassle. Just sent it back at 364 days. THEN it's worth it.

Paul22000 said:
And this is why I keep saying repeatedly, stop sending your device back people. A few specs of dust isn't worth the hassle. Just sent it back at 364 days. THEN it's worth it.
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I had excessive dust, more than 30 specs.

irishrally said:
I had excessive dust, more than 30 specs.
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30 specs?
The only way it'd be worth it to send it back is when you have so much dust you can't even COUNT the specs.

Paul22000 said:
30 specs?
The only way it'd be worth it to send it back is when you have so much dust you can't even COUNT the specs.
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No, dust is really annoying and is frustrating to have considering the price we paid for this thing. The more HTC has to refurbish, the more they learn their lesson and make sure that no dust gets in.

OP, get back to us and let us know what happens

Good news - this issue has been resolved and will be charged nothing for my rooted phone with dust defect exchange. See OP for details.
Many thanks to the dedicated Google team that supports their loyal customers.

irishrally said:
Good news - this issue has been resolved and will be charged nothing for my rooted phone with dust defect exchange. See OP for details.
Many thanks to the dedicated Google team that supports their loyal customers.
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Congrats!
Any chance you can update the link in the OP?
It's linked as "google.com/support/android/bi...ct_type=refund" with the dots, which leads to a dead page of course

Paul22000 said:
Congrats!
Any chance you can update the link in the OP?
It's linked as "google.com/support/android/bi...ct_type=refund" with the dots, which leads to a dead page of course
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Thanks. OP updated.

JD914 said:
How do you expect HTC to honor a warranty which you clearly and willingly voided?
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Here in the US, a warranty termination because of a any fine print violation will not stand up in court unless the warranty violation had a direct impact on a defect in question. Automakers have tried that kind of bologna with aftermarket parts, and they've failed. They can't refuse to honor a warranty just because a car was serviced by others, and they can't refuse to warranty an alternator because someone put on an aftermarket exhaust system, unless they can prove that those actions had a direct impact on the defect.
This does not mean HTC is obligated to bail someone out who has bricked their phone, but hardware issues like dust under the digitizer or faulty microphones or the like clearly can't be tied to unlocking the bootloader. I expect HTC or any other company to honor the laws wherever their products are marketed, and it seems that's exactly what they are doing.
I hope this ends your confusion, and really wish more slack was allowed by some for people who unlock the boot loader and then end up with hardware issues requiring service.

attn1 said:
I hope this ends your confusion, and really wish more slack was allowed by some for people who unlock the boot loader and then end up with hardware issues requiring service.
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I hope someone figures out how to re-lock the bootloader.

I'm really suspicious about the rooting voiding your warranty. I mean you paid damn near 577 for the device..well i know I Did... Why can't you root your own ****..its known as a google dev phone if I'm wrong correct me..But isn't android open source? why can't we try and help it be a better Operating system? They want us to sit on 2.1 until google puts something out? Why not dev with our phones and help google help itself? I mean damn... I could see if you were under a contract with tmobile..but I bought my phone brand new unlocked for the full price give me some damn use of my phone..

[Tip] You're still covered by warranty, even if you root/flash roms/etc.

Well, if you bought the phone in EU and that it can't be proven that what you've done software-wise has caused a hardware fault.
http://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html
I just thought of something. What if the eMMC craps out? Because Samsung confirmed it's because of a software fault that can cause a hardware fault. Paradox?

Also, of you have a warranty of 1 year (I dont know if samsung has 2 or 1 year warranty) in Europe the expectation of the life of a phone which costs more than 250€ is more than 2 years. That the manufacturer is still responsible.
There have been warranty cases where iphones died after a year but the rules say it was Apples fault. Altough apple *****ed a lot they were forced to repair those devices
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All New goods are covered for two years EU guarantee
its the LAW under the Sale of Goods ACT. Any shop or Company telling you otherwise are breaking the LAW
if anything happens that you are not responsible for causing, they have no choice but to fix it or give you the equivalent as a replacement, even if they suspect you may be at fault they have to provide evidence or they can not say NO.
Some place will sell with a 1 year warranty but even so they are responsible for 2 years whether they like it or not so do not get fooled by their tricks and Quote the LAW to them.

Good link, thanks for the post.
I already knew this, but I get quite annoyed by even developers propagating the myth that everywhere, no matter what, once you flash "Your warranty is now void", even putting it in the instructions as a fact
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esist said:
Good link, thanks for the post.
I already knew this, but I get quite annoyed by even developers propagating the myth that everywhere, no matter what, once you flash "Your warranty is now void", even putting it in the instructions as a fact
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Agree with you here, but we still need to be careful, because not all countries have the same legal protections.
Even here in Australia, it's still quite a grey legal area and tech companies will use any trick in the book to find loopholes in the legislation and get away with voiding warranties.
Therefore, I think it's probably better to err on the side of caution and advise people that they may void their warranty depending on their jurisdiction.

i think it should be applied world wide cos it's a known fault in the 16gb models and they should fix it regardless of whether the phone was rooted or not.
i wouldn't mind an upgrade to 32gb though.

My two cents regarding this issue :
Here are more informations :
Read this : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=36530300&postcount=3004
and this (usefull blog and the european directive) : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=36537218&postcount=3018
I've sent samsung french customer service two mails asking for samsung official position regarding this european directive, no answer yet
(Cause either the first hotline level or certified repair centers told you that rooted= no warranty )

Some of the advice in this thread isn't strictly accurate. In the UK the sale of goods act states the goods must be fit for purpose and free from material defects. This is the case with all goods sold and is implied regardless of what the store says. Also - your contract is with the store not Samsung under SGA. If you run the phone over with a car you can't rely on the SGA. If you brick it because of a bad rom flash its going to largely be down to what reason you give that it was bricked and when it happened (inside or outside initial 9months) They will argue you have not used the phone for its intended purpose and your actions caused it to brick. Ultimately a Court would have to decide if you sued.
Also whilst it's true a warranty isn't necessarily 1 year and can be more its what the court determines as a "reasonable period" taking into account the cost and type of good sold. I think this may differ from EU directive as to how it's been implemented in UK although it's been awhile since law school heh.
Tbh would you really want to take a shop to court over you bricking your phone when they refused to fix or provide you with a new one outside initial 6months?? Esp given they'd argue you were then one who causes the failure because you used it in a way not envisaged when you bought it?
Reality of life is that you can get all jumpy about consumer rights but you have to have the balls and money and time to enforce them. Most people don't and definitely don't if there's a chance of losing and being ordered to pay other sides costs.
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"All New goods are covered for two years EU guarantee its the LAW under the Sale of Goods ACT"
As I'm just about to send my SGSIII off for repair (due to random restarts and crashes, which I fear may be the beginning of "SDS") I've just been looking at the guarantee booklet that came with the phone when I first got it and it does indeed say that the warranty is two years.
As I've had the phone rooted I'm kinda expecting them to turn around and say it isn't covered by warranty but I'm fully prepared to tell them it is (as I saw somebody else on here had done) and see what they say from there. Hopefully they won't question it though (I'm pretty sure it's not me flashing software on it that's causing the crashes and restarts because the first time it restarted of it's own accord was at least a week (and probably longer than that) after I'd flashed the last firmware (and it's always been "stock" firmware I've used anyway (i.e. firmware from Samsung themselves - even if sometimes it wasn't the final version)).

sgsboyo said:
"All New goods are covered for two years EU guarantee its the LAW under the Sale of Goods ACT"
As I'm just about to send my SGSIII off for repair (due to random restarts and crashes, which I fear may be the beginning of "SDS") I've just been looking at the guarantee booklet that came with the phone when I first got it and it does indeed say that the warranty is two years.
As I've had the phone rooted I'm kinda expecting them to turn around and say it isn't covered by warranty but I'm fully prepared to tell them it is (as I saw somebody else on here had done) and see what they say from there. Hopefully they won't question it though (I'm pretty sure it's not me flashing software on it that's causing the crashes and restarts because the first time it restarted of it's own accord was at least a week (and probably longer than that) after I'd flashed the last firmware (and it's always been "stock" firmware I've used anyway (i.e. firmware from Samsung themselves - even if sometimes it wasn't the final version)).
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To be honest, if you flash it do it's completely stock and the issue persists it should be a hardware failure, and the only reason the hardware would fail because of rooting/custom roms is overclocking the CPU/GPU and frying them.
Let us know how it goes.

Samsung eventually got back to me regarding the repair of my phone and have refused to fix it without me paying for the service (£163) because it was rooted.
Needless to say I'm less than happy. They persisted with saying that rooting voids the warranty and wouldn't back down.
I'm furious because I'm aware of all the sudden death syndrome problems affecting this phone and i wish I'd kept using it till it did actually die before sending it off to them to repair.
But I've learned a costly lesson and won't be rooting while in warranty again (and may very well have bought my last Samsung smart phone).
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That is a very informative and useful tip. Unfortunately, most people think that software modifications void the warranty under EU jurisdiction. Apparently that's not the case. Thanks op.
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Theshawty said:
Well, if you bought the phone in EU and that it can't be proven that what you've done software-wise has caused a hardware fault.
http://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html
I just thought of something. What if the eMMC craps out? Because Samsung confirmed it's because of a software fault that can cause a hardware fault. Paradox?
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I'm sorry but this is only a directive... after this in each country has to pass their own law in order to comply with directive... sometimes not every country make this last step. I'm thinking for ex UK that don't comply for the 2 years warranty for consumer products. Other country, mine (Portugal), is very avid in forgeting to make laws to comply with EU directives...
Just saying, careful cause in your country their may not have a law that comply with this EU directive.

sgsboyo said:
Samsung eventually got back to me regarding the repair of my phone and have refused to fix it without me paying for the service (£163) because it was rooted.
Needless to say I'm less than happy. They persisted with saying that rooting voids the warranty and wouldn't back down.
I'm furious because I'm aware of all the sudden death syndrome problems affecting this phone and i wish I'd kept using it till it did actually die before sending it off to them to repair.
But I've learned a costly lesson and won't be rooting while in warranty again (and may very well have bought my last Samsung smart phone).
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You should moan about the directive stated in shawtys post and never play along.
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My latest response from the Samsung "care" team yesterday:
" Thank you for contacting Samsung, I am sorry that you feel this way about the product.
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I appreciate that you are saying that rooting the phone has not caused this issue, however by rooting the phone the warranty has been voided.* As a result, this repair and all future repairs will be chargeable.
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Please do not hesitate to contact us if we can be of further assistance."
So without spending more cash on trying to pursue my rights I'm stuck. No more rooting for me, and I just hope this bloody phone lasts till the end of my contract without needing any more repairs (May 2014).
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sgsboyo said:
My latest response from the Samsung "care" team yesterday:
" Thank you for contacting Samsung, I am sorry that you feel this way about the product.
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I appreciate that you are saying that rooting the phone has not caused this issue, however by rooting the phone the warranty has been voided.* As a result, this repair and all future repairs will be chargeable.
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Please do not hesitate to contact us if we can be of further assistance."
So without spending more cash on trying to pursue my rights I'm stuck. No more rooting for me, and I just hope this bloody phone lasts till the end of my contract without needing any more repairs (May 2014).
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Thats the be all and end all of the root warranty topic . EU says yes Samsung says no .
As its written into Samsung warranty and part of the repair checking process it has to be a court case .
However unless Samsung is the vendor then its not their problem anyway as the law apply s to the vendor .You pursue the vendor for claims not Samsung who are offering an additional limited warranty on top of your lawful warranty / guarantee sale of goods etc from the vendor .
jje

JJEgan said:
Thats the be all and end all of the root warranty topic . EU says yes Samsung says no .
As its written into Samsung warranty and part of the repair checking process it has to be a court case .
However unless Samsung is the vendor then its not their problem anyway as the law apply s to the vendor .You pursue the vendor for claims not Samsung who are offering an additional limited warranty on top of your lawful warranty / guarantee sale of goods etc from the vendor .
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Yes it's been a costly mistake on my part going direct to Samsung when I just thought it would be quicker. Never again.
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Just realised tonight, since my phone is no longer covered by warranty I'm free to root it and do whatever I want with it. Shame that's kinda lost its appeal. Need new inspiration!
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Samsung UK Service Centre

Samsung has officially confirm that they will not honor any warranty they can see the Knox software being tripped, as in my case today.
They will not replace or repair any phone that has this status on the screen, as this is a directive from Samsung HQ.

Clarification from Samsung UK at last then. Bugger :crying:
Takes UK rooting to a whole new level then, especially with the amount of defective devices there has already been floating around. 0x1 is certainly a risk now more than ever.. especially if they won't fulfil any fixes even if you choose to pay.

samuel clarke said:
Samsung has officially confirm that they will not honor any warranty they can see the Knox software being tripped, as in my case today.
They will not replace or repair any phone that has this status on the screen, as this is a directive from Samsung HQ.
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Any documentation like an email ?
Did you ask for a copy of this "directive from Samsung HQ"? There must be some kind of written documentation ....

Mittaa said:
Any documentation like an email ?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2542127
documented in this thread, altho no emails etc, no reason to lie really.
Also, I've come to the conclusion that Samsung do UK repairs through third party shops (from when I looked for one in my city York), therefore they decide on what they will and will not repair given on Samsung's original advice it seems.

Nope direct words from the technical engineer at Samsung service center at Stratford Westfield I also have a the following email.
Regarding your Note 3, we have done some investigating into the fault and it turns out that the device has what we call, been rooted. This means that un official software has been loaded onto the device and in the end this results in the voiding of the warranty.
Please feel free to come and collect the handset but i am sorry to deliver the bad news.
Samsung Store
114 The street
Westfield Stratford City
London
E20 1EJ

OK so what I can gather from this is - Samsung themselves will NOT repair a device even if you try/offer to pay to have it done.
But.... Their third party representative shops seem to be carrying out repairs 0x0 or 0x1 regardless?
That sound about right?

Really? I think EU law would supercede this.

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Really? I think EU law would supercede this.
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Yes, that is true. They cant get away citing Knox. See this
http://matija.suklje.name/rooting-and-flashing-your-device-does-not-void-the-warranty-in-eu

no it can't
just because samsung want it to doesn't mean that it does
european law will take precedence ....you may have to fight for it but they can't refuse to honour the warranty unless they can prove rooting and installing a rom has broken the phone
way to many companies try this on .....(sorry you hav broken this sticker you have voided your warranty) .......not in the uk you don't or the rest of europe for that matter

Sue the bell-ends
Right... this is an ideal case for the UK small claims court. It can all be done online, and the process does work.
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/engla..._e/law_taking_legal_action_e/small_claims.htm
Samsung (and their peers) need to be told that EU law trumps their stupid unfair warranty rules.
The claim will actually be against the retailer, since it is with them that you have a contract, so you need to (rather unfairly) go after the shop or the service provider who sold you the phone.
I believe the process costs around £40, and I dont think you need to attend court in person.
A friend of mine successfully went through this process with the provider Three UK when he couldnt get HTC to repair the camera that had cracked on his phone. He won a judgement against Three for the full (unlocked) value of the handset, and got the money.
If this can be successfully done, and documented, it will start to set a precedent that unrelated hardware faults cannot be excluded from warranty rights (actually statuary rights in the EU) due to rooting, or any other software mod.
I strongly urge you to follow this course, for the good of the many (as well as yourself).
I want to root my Note3, but dare not...
cheers
George
samuel clarke said:
Nope direct words from the technical engineer at Samsung service center at Stratford Westfield I also have a the following email.
Regarding your Note 3, we have done some investigating into the fault and it turns out that the device has what we call, been rooted. This means that un official software has been loaded onto the device and in the end this results in the voiding of the warranty.
Please feel free to come and collect the handset but i am sorry to deliver the bad news.
Samsung Store
114 The street
Westfield Stratford City
London
E20 1EJ
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Is what I said here or in another thread (theres a lot around this currently). The warranty in the UK lays with the seller be it carrier, P4U or CPW or somewhere else. - 9 out of 10 times they'll fix/replace anyway. It's just Samsung themselves that are being stubborn (Samsung don't sell phones directly to consumer in the UK for whatever reason..). - It's all about not taking no for an answer more than anything.

I will write to Samsung UK and give them 14 days to refund the full amount I paid for a new phone. After that I will seek action from a small claims court, lets see what they say now

Good Stuff
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I will write to Samsung UK and give them 14 days to refund the full amount I paid for a new phone. After that I will seek action from a small claims court, lets see what they say now
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Good Stuff - please keep us updated on this forum.
Good luck with it
thanks
George

Yup get that letter wrote with the threat of small claims and cite the EU Directive. - get your money back
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Considering the EFS partition on this device is so fragile and will brick if you so much as sneeze on it, I am starting to regret tripping my knox.
Sure Samsung have no right to supersede EU law but you will have to go through so much hassle just to get them to honour their warranty.
Everyday when I use my Note 3 I always expect the WiFi to suddenly stop working, or the IMEI to disappear, or the device to start rebooting randomly. There are just so many reports of these problems randomly happening and add that to Samsung's stupid idea of 0x1 making your warranty invalid, I feel like I have wasted so much money. Sure this is a great device, but for how long will that last!

prank1 said:
Considering the EFS partition on this device is so fragile and will brick if you so much as sneeze on it, I am starting to regret tripping my knox.
Sure Samsung have no right to supersede EU law but you will have to go through so much hassle just to get them to honour their warranty.
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Actually, I think that you're wrong here. You guys in the EU have the advantage that law is on your side. Your disadvantage is that as individuals you're small and inconsequential. Thus Samsung as a Multi-Billion dollar corporation can give each and every one of you sh*t without worrying about it.
You're phone provider, on the other hand, is NOT a small and inconsequential individual. So if you all start to sue P4U or CPW how long do you think it will be before those companies start questioning Samsung?
Especially when the actual text states "Knox Warranty Void" NOT 'Device Warranty Void"
Ultimately this will benefit those who don't have the umbrella of EU law.
Go for it guys

Motorola warranty is worthless

I have a 2014 Moto X, 16 GB with the bamboo back, on Verizon. The back is peeling off, and I've just finished speaking with Motorola.
I didn't buy the device - it was traded. Despite the fact that I have the box, the IMEI, and everything except the original order information, they refuse to help me. If I had the order info, I'd be well on my way to a new one, but without it, they're happy to leave me completely swinging by myself.
So if you're thinking about buying one used, or giving one as a gift... I wouldn't recommend it. They don't care, and couldn't be bothered to try and find a solution. Last motorola product I'll ever buy.

Not exactly Motorola's fault.

In what way? Tell me of another company that doesn't honor their warranty if you gift a device. It's not like I don't have the serial number, IMEI, and every other bit of info for the thing. Every other company on the planet uses serial numbers for warranties. It shouldn't matter who owns the device or if they kept their receipt. This isn't a pair of headphones from Best Buy, here.
Not only that, but it's a 2014. It can only be so old. It's not like this might somehow be out of warranty.

most if not all items for electronics.... from my past experience that the warranty is only for the original purchaser, its usually in the warranty policy, I buy and sell a lot of used phones, and I know that`s the chance I take of buying used.
below is from moto website
MOTOROLA MOBILITY INC.
LIMITED GLOBAL WARRANTY
MOBILE PHONES
FOR CONSUMERS WHO ARE COVERED BY CONSUMER PROTECTION LAWS OR
REGULATIONS IN THEIR COUNTRY OF PURCHASE OR, IF DIFFERENT, THEIR COUNTRY OF
RESIDENCE, THE BENEFITS CONFERRED BY THIS LIMITED WARRANTY ARE IN ADDITION
TO ALL RIGHTS AND REMEDIES CONVEYED BY SUCH CONSUMER PROTECTION LAWS
AND REGULATIONS.
Who is Covered?
This Limited Warranty extends only to the first consumer purchaser of the Product, and is not transferable.

It sucks, but I have never owned an electronic device where the warranty extends to the second hand market
You say it is the last Motorola phone you will ever buy, perhaps a wiser choice would be to make this the last second hand phone you ever buy.
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Can you not glue the back?

At the minimum you could send it in and they can reglue it or replace the back cover. It will cost you but it's better than nothing. You might be able to negotiate a deal.

You never get warranty coverage without proof of purchase, it's basically Warranty 101. My advice would be to contact the original seller and ask them if they can do a warranty return for you.

I have never heard of a company that warrants an item with no proof of purchase. Even with proof of purchase, the warranty on most consumer goods is not transferable.
Factory warranties on cars is the only case I can think of where they don't care about proof of purchase (because they already know when it was purchased).

One thing to keep in mind is that sometimes your experience will vary from rep to rep.
And also your attitude going into it is important as well.
I have a friend that gets no help ANYWHERE, and it's because of the manner in which he speaks. He's not outright rude, but he's a bit socially inept, so he comes off very abrasive. You can hear kindness. People like to help nice people.

dg4prez said:
In what way? Tell me of another company that doesn't honor their warranty if you gift a device. It's not like I don't have the serial number, IMEI, and every other bit of info for the thing. Every other company on the planet uses serial numbers for warranties. It shouldn't matter who owns the device or if they kept their receipt. This isn't a pair of headphones from Best Buy, here.
Not only that, but it's a 2014. It can only be so old. It's not like this might somehow be out of warranty.
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The micro USB port on my black 16gb X broke. I took it to my local brick & mortar Verizon store and they ordered a replacement device, no questions asked. They never asked to see any paperwork.
It sounds like you've got nothing to loose by trying the same thing?

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I didn't buy the device - it was traded. Despite the fact that I have the box, the IMEI, and everything except the original order information, they refuse to help me. If I had the order info, I'd be well on my way to a new one, but without it, they're happy to leave me completely swinging by myself.
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Ask the seller for the info. I think it's good Motorola doesn't accept warranty without this information because thiefs will not have this info, only people who honestly bought it...
(btw it's very stupid for a company to not honor warranty, within the normal warranty period, for owners after the first owner because this severly impacts resell price and thus selling price)

You are correct.
Apple don't need proof of purchase for warranty, they have their own database based on IMEI/SN.
So if you purchase iPhone from Craigslist and it is still under warranty, Apple will still honor the warranty.
No Android OEM has this kind of customer service, not HTC/Motorola/Samsung/Google as far as I know.

I have read reports from some folks who successfully applied a small amount of glue under the peeled up wood, might be worth a try

dg4prez said:
I didn't buy the device - it was traded.
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Um. This is standard operating procedure for most companies.

sxp123731 said:
You are correct.
Apple don't need proof of purchase for warranty, they have their own database based on IMEI/SN.
So if you purchase iPhone from Craigslist and it is still under warranty, Apple will still honor the warranty.
No Android OEM has this kind of customer service, not HTC/Motorola/Samsung/Google as far as I know.
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My Nexus S that I bought used off eBay needed a screen replacement, and Samsung did so - no questions asked. Great experience. I haven't had to deal with an OEM for warranty since.

PhilDX said:
I have read reports from some folks who successfully applied a small amount of glue under the peeled up wood, might be worth a try
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You can either remove the whole back and re glue it or just use a very fine felt brush to apply glue to the edge of wood. Worked for me. Sent mine back because a different corner peeled. @dg4prez

Fix it your self, It does suck they wont honor a product under warranty.
I know a lot of companies who follow this rule but there are many companies who don't.
I always try and buy product from companies who have exceptional customer service and warranties, its worth it, even if you pay a little more.

I bought a Moto X for a friend of mine, my card, my email, my delivery address. He broke his screen a week later, he called them up and they asked him to send it in, charged him $120 for a new screen and sent him back a new phone, he never needes the order number or anything.
Last week i tore the leather on my moto x, called motorola, they asked for order number, email, address, charged me $25 and sent me a new phone and i will be sending back the one that has the torn back.
Guess it depends on who you speak with.
Also, as was mentioned earlier Apple warranties extend to any owner of the phone, since their proof of purchase comes up when the IMEI/SN is entered (you can even check warranty status on their website)
Only company that got close to this is samsung, i used to work in a cellphone shop and wed brick ALOT of phones testing things out, including note 3, s5 etc and samsung out always unbrick them for free even though we were not the original buyers.

2003vstrom said:
most if not all items for electronics.... from my past experience that the warranty is only for the original purchaser, its usually in the warranty policy, I buy and sell a lot of used phones, and I know that`s the chance I take of buying used.
below is from moto website
MOTOROLA MOBILITY INC.
LIMITED GLOBAL WARRANTY
MOBILE PHONES
FOR CONSUMERS WHO ARE COVERED BY CONSUMER PROTECTION LAWS OR
REGULATIONS IN THEIR COUNTRY OF PURCHASE OR, IF DIFFERENT, THEIR COUNTRY OF
RESIDENCE, THE BENEFITS CONFERRED BY THIS LIMITED WARRANTY ARE IN ADDITION
TO ALL RIGHTS AND REMEDIES CONVEYED BY SUCH CONSUMER PROTECTION LAWS
AND REGULATIONS.
Who is Covered?
This Limited Warranty extends only to the first consumer purchaser of the Product, and is not transferable.
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That rule definitely would't survive here in Europe. No matter either written or not. It's against consumer protection regulations. And what is even more weird is that the provision is in direct conflict with freedom of contract principle. Neither state nor any third party could interfere with the contract without clear legal basis. Warranty refers to the sold good not to the person who bought it.

dg4prez said:
In what way? Tell me of another company that doesn't honor their warranty if you gift a device. It's not like I don't have the serial number, IMEI, and every other bit of info for the thing. Every other company on the planet uses serial numbers for warranties. It shouldn't matter who owns the device or if they kept their receipt. This isn't a pair of headphones from Best Buy, here.
Not only that, but it's a 2014. It can only be so old. It's not like this might somehow be out of warranty.
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Companies warranty to the original purchaser except if it is a gift. Did you register the device with them or did the original purchaser?

Samsung REFUSES a Paid, Out-of-warranty Glass Replacement CITING TRIPPED KNOX!!!!!

There u have it folks!
I'm SPEECHLESS!!!! Walked in to a NYC Samsung repair center today, with a cracked glass on my back panel.
No -- I understand that I've voided the warranty by tripping knox, but to refuse a to-be-paid, out-of-warranty glass replacement because I have my phone rooted and their "hardware tests are failing" and that's the Samsung policy?????
Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!

Lexee said:
There u have it folks!
I'm SPEECHLESS!!!! Walked in to a NYC Samsung repair center today, with a cracked glass on my back panel.
No -- I understand that I've voided the warranty by tripping knox, but to refuse a to-be-paid, out-of-warranty glass replacement because I have my phone rooted and their "hardware tests are failing" and that's the Samsung policy?????
Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!
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Wow - really? That sounds like someone has misinterpreted the policy. It's an out of warranty job that should be reasonably charged and that's that - what has knox got to do with anything? Even if the Knox flag wasn't tripped it would still be an out of warranty job. I'd complain to the store manager and probably to Samsung's social media contacts as well because that just doesn't sound right.

Knox cannot affect any repair, paid or not. USA has a law same as the EU about having the right to modify your own phone.

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I'd complain to the store manager and probably to Samsung's social media contacts
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This came from the store manager -- and trust me, I made my best effort to get all the same points across. The exact wording was this: "as an Authorized Samsung Repair Center, we're obligated to perform a series of hardware tests before returning the phone to the customer. Our hardware tests started failing right away because you have a tripped KNOX counter, so we couldn't proceed with the repair. It's the Samsung policy". Period. I guess their test #1 is, if Knox counter is greater than 0, FAIL. Maybe I should talk to a lawyer and see if I can somehow claim that Samsung wrongfully exposes me to a health hazard (being cut by broken glass) by refusing the repair under a made-up pretext.

Lexee said:
This came from the store manager -- and trust me, I made my best effort to get all the same points across. The exact wording was this: "as an Authorized Samsung Repair Center, we're obligated to perform a series of hardware tests before returning the phone to the customer. Our hardware tests started failing right away because you have a tripped KNOX counter, so we couldn't proceed with the repair. It's the Samsung policy". Period. I guess their test #1 is, if Knox counter is greater than 0, FAIL. Maybe I should talk to a lawyer and see if I can somehow claim that Samsung wrongfully exposes me to a health hazard (being cut by broken glass) by refusing the repair under a made-up pretext.
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Sounds like the manager is an idiot tbh.
His explanation makes no sense whatsoever.
The whole Knox status voids warranty in the States is crap but even that is irrelevant.
I'd make a noise on their twitter, Instagram, Facebook, etc and probably give their customer service line a call as well (assuming they have one there?) as this manager's stance just doesn't make any sense
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They are just covering their assess. It's failing a test they perform to make sure everything is in working order. So what happens when they repair the screen and something is not working properly, they will be on the hook to fix it. That being said I don't understand why they can't say if any other problems are there you will have to pay for the fix.
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Today I flashed stock recovery, stock kernel, stock ROM, did a factory reset and went back to the same center. I wanted to ask them to retry the same hardware tests again to see if maybe they succeed this time, with all software being stock. They obviously recognized me from the day before, checked the KNOX counter and just reiterated what I had suspected from the outset; that's it's not really about any "hardware test failing", but a straightforward policy. If KNOX is tripped, don't touch the phone for any reason. The manager said, "we have to guarantee any repair work for 90 days. If KNOX is tripped, we can't do that." They told me to try my luck with their main corporate office in Dallas. I guess I'll give it a shot.

Samsung REFUSES a Paid, Out-of-warranty Glass Replacement CITING TRIPPED KNOX...
Lexee said:
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Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!
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Why would they change their policy if people just go out and buy a replacement ? They win, they now have two sales instead of one.
Seems redundant & contradictory being 'outraged' and then to open your wallet and give them more cash.
lynxblaine said:
Knox cannot affect any repair, paid or not. USA has a law same as the EU about having the right to modify your own phone.
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Not sure where your getting EU info from but it's incorrect. They still void your hardware warranty and can refuse repairs / service of any description in the EU if your Knox efuse has been tripped.
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I will have to find it. Modifying your phone is a legal right in the UK same as usa. If your modification is the cause of the issue they can charge but if unrelated they can't and the warranty remains.

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Why would they change their policy if people just go out and buy a replacement ? They win, they now have two sales instead of one.
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Nah, come on, I am sure the aim of this policy was not to squeeze the last penny out of their bottom line. it's a major international conglomerate! They sell millions of appliances in every country of the world! This policy literally came out of the mouth of some lazy bureaucrat in charge of handset service, who basically took a quick shortcut and called it a day instead of thinking through the many different possibilities! Hey, to me being out of a few hundred bucks is not the end of the world either. But it's just so WRONG on so many levels! It sends a BAD message about Android, and a BAD message about Samsung! This was not meant to be an Apple shop! I fell in love with this phone -- I switched from HTC One, and I EVEN switched from ATT to TMobile just so I can have unlocked bootloader and modify to my heart's content! And now they're gonna give me this nonsense about tripped KNOX when my issue is broken glass?? BAD, WRONG, STUPID policy! Gosh, I wish I could get this message to a higher level executive rather than customer service.
Anyway, I called the main Dallas headquarters, told them about tripped KNOX and my experience at the NYC center, and the rep told me to send it in to their main service center anyway and see what happens. He wouldn't say if tripped KNOX would be a deal breaker or not. He said generally tripped KNOX is a big deal, but they have more sophisticated equipment than the regional centers typically, they'll examine the phone, see "how" Knox was tripped and take it from there. Sending it in today and going to be without a phone for the next week or so. Hoping for common sense to prevail..

Common sense? Come on, you know that has no place in here...
Personally I have never understood how a software issue could be used to deny a warranty or repair claim on something like a shattered screen. I mean seriously, I now have root access, how did that make my screen crack? Now if my radio or something went wonky I could understand. But a broken screen???

May I suggest buying a replacement glass and making the fix yourself ? I did this myself 3 times on my Z3c and it's actually very easy to do.

This phone isn't really the Z3...

True, but the process should be the same. Heat it up with a hairdryer, remove and then install the new back cover which already has the adhesive on it.
You can watch a tutorial here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RD44M4J-Rk
And for replacement parts I used this website http://www.witrigs.com/replacements-for-samsung-galaxy-s6-edge
If you don't feel confident about doing this yourself you can go to any phone service and they will do it for you on the spot for a small charge of course.
Should not cost you more than 30$, I bet Samsung will charge a lot more (that is if they agree to repair it).

kind3r said:
And for replacement parts I used this website
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Wow! Unbelievable! Thank you so much for the reference! The phone feels so solidly built that I didn't even think of researching this because I thought messing with it by hand is totally out of the question! I have it currently shipped to Dallas service center, but if rejected, I will definitely try this! :good:

Update: phone was rejected by the Samsung main service center. "BER", "beyond economic repair". Pathetic.
I've ordered the replacement glass on ebay! Looking forward to making the repair myself! Thanks @kind3r!
*09/09/2015//19:18:50//0001773863//Telephone//ASC*
9/9/2015 6:13 PM-PBA Inspection: The unit has left the technician. SOLUTION: BER
*09/09/2015//19:18:49//0001773863//Telephone//ASC*
Device rooted/Knox warranty failure
*09/09/2015//08:47:15//0001773863//Telephone//ASC*
9/9/2015 7:41 AM-Jennifer Bastardo: Accessory: sim card tray
*09/09/2015//08:47:14//0001773863//Telephone//ASC*
9/9/2015 7:41 AM-Jennifer Bastardo: The unit has been received. Pack Condition: Fair Packaging (Box & Cushion)

Wth, Bastard..o
Good luck with the DIY repair, please let us know how it turns out.
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Yeah, figures ...
What I don't understand is why ... the warranty is void anyway and it will be void the next time you turn in your phone anyway.
Perhaps they don't want to assume responsibility for damages that their technicians may do during this repair.
Good luck with your repair, I suggest using some guitar picks so you don't risk scratching the frame.
Also be careful with the broken glass as it may shatter.

That's interesting. Cracked my screen, sent it in for repair and they fixed it even with a tripped Knox counter. But that service center is a douche for doing that. And it sucks that Samsung has one of the best hardware in many expects so sometimes just saying I'm done with Samsung just may not seem like an options if you want top of the line android.
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Hey guys! My baby looks brand new again! Check out a pic! (I put the broken glass in the packaging in which the replacement arrived).
Ended up paying $17 for the glass on ebay and repairing myself. Come to think of it, having rooted my phone I walked away with a much better deal! lol Thanks again to all who stepped forward with advice!