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Call to Arms! - Root detection

There is a big problem on the horizon.....
Lovefilm and Sky Go on my iPad have stopped working due to my jailbreak...
Turns out Sky Go doesnt work on Rooted Android either!
As much as i hate Sky as a company we dont have much choice in the UK if you want some decent channels on TV. I dont even use their app that much but this trend seems to be catching on...
More and more apps are refusing to run on Jailbroken iOS and the same will be happening on Android soon enough. They are also actively patching any work arounds or hacks to stop people running apps on Rooted or JB devices.
i really hope some of the talented people who code for android can find a good solution to this problem or even better Google comes out and tells the world that Rooters should not lose out like this.
If we can make it so much work for them to keep fixing the holes then maybe they will get fed up with trying to patch them.
Because if we dont then more and more apps will follow!

irzero said:
There is a big problem on the horizon.....
Lovefilm and Sky Go on my iPad have stopped working due to my jailbreak...
Turns out Sky Go doesnt work on Rooted Android either!
As much as i hate Sky as a company we dont have much choice in the UK if you want some decent channels on TV. I dont even use their app that much but this trend seems to be catching on...
More and more apps are refusing to run on Jailbroken iOS and the same will be happening on Android soon enough. They are also actively patching any work arounds or hacks to stop people running apps on Rooted or JB devices.
i really hope some of the talented people who code for android can find a good solution to this problem or even better Google comes out and tells the world that Rooters should not lose out like this.
If we can make it so much work for them to keep fixing the holes then maybe they will get fed up with trying to patch them.
Because if we dont then more and more apps will follow!
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I know that feel bro
*insert hug meme*

irzero said:
There is a big problem on the horizon.....
Lovefilm and Sky Go on my iPad have stopped working due to my jailbreak...
Turns out Sky Go doesnt work on Rooted Android either!
As much as i hate Sky as a company we dont have much choice in the UK if you want some decent channels on TV. I dont even use their app that much but this trend seems to be catching on...
More and more apps are refusing to run on Jailbroken iOS and the same will be happening on Android soon enough. They are also actively patching any work arounds or hacks to stop people running apps on Rooted or JB devices.
i really hope some of the talented people who code for android can find a good solution to this problem or even better Google comes out and tells the world that Rooters should not lose out like this.
If we can make it so much work for them to keep fixing the holes then maybe they will get fed up with trying to patch them.
Because if we dont then more and more apps will follow!
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There are some apps out there that will temp unroot your phone so apps like that will work. then you just restore it(OTA rootkeeper allows this). Also I think Siyah kernel supports temp unrooting

graffixnyc said:
There are some apps out there that will temp unroot your phone so apps like that will work. then you just restore it(OTA rootkeeper allows this). Also I think Siyah kernel supports temp unrooting
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Siyah kernel does support temp unrooting, but somehow Sky Go still knows your phone is rooted, and it won't work. So far from the reading I have done there is no solution to this other than to flash back to a stock unrooted firmware.

I don't think it will become the rule on android, because there are to many apps that even need root, but at ios, probably because jailbreak is the only possibility to get, at least partially, out of their ecosystem.
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someone found a work around for the Barclays banking app I think...I'm sure it was here in general so you may find some hints there
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here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1823649
[HOW TO] Barclays Mobile Banking working on rooted S3

As far as I know. Sky Go has gotten around everything so far.
I see not to far in the future a situation where you have to either root and lose lots of apps you use or lose the root lose lots of apps you use.
That's a crap situation for sure
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Sky have invested a heck of a lot of time and money to making the latest Sky Go apps very very hard to hack!
They now do a lot of checking on their severs which makes it impossible for us to hack around.
I am sorry but I don't think we will ever get sky go working properly with root, and as soon as we did sky would update the app to fix the loophole.

Google won't do anything because rooted android isn't standard android. The android platform isn't built like windows or OS X, where the default is the user having root available.
Therefore security (DRM in particular) on those platforms is built with that in mind. Android isn't.
Also, while you might have the best of intentions there are plenty of root-users who would use it to copy content offline, trick it into thinking you have a subscription whe you don't etc.
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Lennyuk said:
Sky have invested a heck of a lot of time and money to making the latest Sky Go apps very very hard to hack!
They now do a lot of checking on their severs which makes it impossible for us to hack around.
I am sorry but I don't think we will ever get sky go working properly with root, and as soon as we did sky would update the app to fix the loophole.
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This sux for sure.
On iPad they sandboxed the app in its own virtual environment. could this trick it into think its running on unrooted firmware?

I can't see how there is no way around this. If the app tests root, deny it, if it scans for root binaries, change/rename them. What am I missing here? Is there some other level of detection somewhere?
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esist said:
Google won't do anything because rooted android isn't standard android. The android platform isn't built like windows or OS X, where the default is the user having root available.
Therefore security (DRM in particular) on those platforms is built with that in mind. Android isn't.
Also, while you might have the best of intentions there are plenty of root-users who would use it to copy content offline, trick it into thinking you have a subscription whe you don't etc.
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You cant get the content without a subscription anyway, the problem has been people UDID spoofing and getting more active devices than they are allowed. Its a joke that they limit this anyway they should just make it so you can only be logged in on 2 devices at any one time using traditional methods like IP address and IMEI

alias_neo said:
I can't see how there is no way around this. If the app tests root, deny it, if it scans for root binaries, change/rename them. What am I missing here? Is there some other level of detection somewhere?
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temporary unroot doesnt even work so i dont know how it works personally. Out of my depth on this

alias_neo said:
I can't see how there is no way around this. If the app tests root, deny it, if it scans for root binaries, change/rename them. What am I missing here? Is there some other level of detection somewhere?
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The Sky Go app is a bastard
This is a list of some of the things it checks (but not all)
- Root binaries
- Root App
- Phone model
- Android version
- Custom Recovery
- Custom Kernels
- IMEI checks (stops wifi-only tablets..)
The first 4 are simple to overcome, the last three cause major issues!

Lennyuk said:
The Sky Go app is a bastard
This is a list of some of the things it checks (but not all)
- Root binaries
- Root App
- Phone model
- Android version
- Custom Recovery
- Custom Kernels
- IMEI checks (stops wifi-only tablets..)
The first 4 are simple to overcome, the last three cause major issues!
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Why would that stop wifi tablets? it works on my iPad wifi only?

irzero said:
Why would that stop wifi tablets? it works on my iPad wifi only?
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the Apple skygo app works differently, it doesn't check for IMEI.
wifi-only android tablets do not have IMEI numbers so it will always fail this check

Lennyuk said:
The Sky Go app is a bastard
This is a list of some of the things it checks (but not all)
- Root binaries
- Root App
- Phone model
- Android version
- Custom Recovery
- Custom Kernels
- IMEI checks (stops wifi-only tablets..)
The first 4 are simple to overcome, the last three cause major issues!
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How in earth does this user space application have the ability to check custom recovery? I suppose kernel might be easy, but recovery??
Still, there must be ways around it.
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alias_neo said:
How in earth does this user space application have the ability to check custom recovery? I suppose kernel might be easy, but recovery??
Still, there must be ways around it.
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Thats the thing, we (me and two others who worked on hacking this app) couldn't work it out! But it definitely was detecting it, we tried it on Samsung and HTC devices with no root and stock kernel but with a custom recovery and sky go stopped worked, change back to stock recovery and the app works again but we could not find any code that checked it.
On most devices to get it to work you need a stock based rom, stock recovery (unless recovery is part of kernel like S2) stock based kernel (ro.secure=1 must be set!) no or hidden root. You then need to make sure you fit the device or version checks, if you don't you need a hacked app that allows you to do this.
However the latest sky go apps do a sever side check for the apps signature (so you cannot decompile and recompile without changing this). So basically we can no longer do even the most basic of hacks.

Lennyuk said:
Thats the thing, we (me and two others who worked on hacking this app) couldn't work it out! But it definitely was detecting it, we tried it on Samsung and HTC devices with no root and stock kernel but with a custom recovery and sky go stopped worked, change back to stock recovery and the app works again but we could not find any code that checked it.
On most devices to get it to work you need a stock based rom, stock recovery (unless recovery is part of kernel like S2) stock based kernel (ro.secure=1 must be set!) no or hidden root. You then need to make sure you fit the device or version checks, if you don't you need a hacked app that allows you to do this.
However the latest sky go apps do a sever side check for the apps signature (so you cannot decompile and recompile without changing this). So basically we can no longer do even the most basic of hacks.
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Surely you can modify it to spoof the signature the app uses to send to the server...
They really have gone all out eh.
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Well done sky, you bastards!
I have a Nexus 7 2012 WiFi only so ytheres no chance of using it on there :'(
Thanks LennyUK

New to Note 10.1

Hello guys/girls
I just got my Galaxy Note 10.1 today and I wanted to know what are the benefits of rooting this device. I currently have a rooted SGS2 so I know about rooting but I would like to know are there some cool features with root vs stock? Also which rom and themes (I love themes) do you recommend for stabilty and great battery life? I would like to keep all the features like snote, multi window etc.
thanks for your input and help

Multi Window
For me being able to add multi window support for any app, on the fly is reason enough!
That was the reason for me.
Do it and test out the multi window app on the store.
g33kChic said:
Hello guys/girls
I just got my Galaxy Note 10.1 today and I wanted to know what are the benefits of rooting this device. I currently have a rooted SGS2 so I know about rooting but I would like to know are there some cool features with root vs stock? Also which rom and themes (I love themes) do you recommend for stabilty and great battery life? I would like to keep all the features like snote, multi window etc.
thanks for your input and help
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fmf.post said:
For me being able to add multi window support for any app, on the fly is reason enough!
That was the reason for me.
Do it and test out the multi window app on the store.
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Cool. If I may ask are you on rooted stock or are you using a custom rom? If so, which rom are you using?

g33kChic said:
Hello guys/girls
I just got my Galaxy Note 10.1 today and I wanted to know what are the benefits of rooting this device. I currently have a rooted SGS2 so I know about rooting but I would like to know are there some cool features with root vs stock? Also which rom and themes (I love themes) do you recommend for stabilty and great battery life? I would like to keep all the features like snote, multi window etc.
thanks for your input and help
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Here is the biggest reason why you should not root....... Because rooting will void your warranty.
Everyone says just use Triangle Away and reset, well that is all fine but If it needs to go in for repairs because it will not restart or hangs at start screen you will be sorry.
I would play with your note for a month or so before you root because there are many apps that let you modify your tablet without root.
Here are a few that I have used that can make your tablet look very cool and backup data without root.
Sidebar
Carbon
CircleLauncher
One More Clock Widget
Palmary Weather
.

If you used before apps with root, you can not afford not to root the new device
It is addiction, it only takes a minute or so to root and you could enjoy all the root apps without limitations forever
With autoroot files, you will not lose even the recovery or ota updates
Having the sensation of complete control of your system deserves the small risk !!!
We go to android instead of Apple because of the control of the system and feeling that we are geeks in technology not only users
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Mohamedselim said:
If you used before apps with root, you can not afford not to root the new device
It is addiction, it only takes a minute or so to root and you could enjoy all the root apps without limitations forever
With autoroot files, you will not lose even the recovery or ota updates
Having the sensation of complete control of your system deserves the small risk !!!
We go to android instead of Apple because of the control of the system and feeling that we are geeks in technology not only users
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Which Rom are you using?

Mohamedselim said:
If you used before apps with root, you can not afford not to root the new device
It is addiction, it only takes a minute or so to root and you could enjoy all the root apps without limitations forever
With autoroot files, you will not lose even the recovery or ota updates
Having the sensation of complete control of your system deserves the small risk !!!
We go to android instead of Apple because of the control of the system and feeling that we are geeks in technology not only users
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For me........ I can not afford the risks that comes with rooting my $500.00 note 10.1.
I purchased my note for its great productivity ability and the s-pen option.
I do agree with you about the power and funtion that you get when you do root an android device, that is why I purchased a used kindle fire for $70 bucks and rooted it. The kindle fire has given me countless hour of entertainment loading many different ROMs, backing up the images, loading scripts and anything else that I could think of. I almost bricked it a few times also, some of my crafty experiments left me without the use of my tablet for hours at times and I came darn close to bricking the device for good a few times but was saved by XDA kindle pages and a micro usb dongle.
Yes, the power of root does become addictive and newbies need to be warned of the potential consequences and risks involved when rooting.
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fmf.post said:
For me being able to add multi window support for any app, on the fly is reason enough!
That was the reason for me.
Do it and test out the multi window app on the store.
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+1 for this. This was what did it for me. Other than that, I was already quite happy w/ the stock rom, so I kept it. I don't use it on this device, but you can also freeze or uninstall bloatware if you have root.

kkretch said:
Here is the biggest reason why you should not root....... Because rooting will void your warranty.
Everyone says just use Triangle Away and reset, well that is all fine but If it needs to go in for repairs because it will not restart or hangs at start screen you will be sorry.
I would play with your note for a month or so before you root because there are many apps that let you modify your tablet without root.
Here are a few that I have used that can make your tablet look very cool and backup data without root.
Sidebar
Carbon
CircleLauncher
One More Clock Widget
Palmary Weather
.
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What if you run triangle away right after flashing a new ROM? That way if it bricks or hangs at the start screen, the flash count triangle will still be 0. Would that work? Is there really no way to remove the triangle through USB and a computer?

jedah said:
+1 for this. This was what did it for me. Other than that, I was already quite happy w/ the stock rom, so I kept it. I don't use it on this device, but you can also freeze or uninstall bloatware if you have root.
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What multi window program are you using?
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Triangle away will remove any counter trip. And if you're worried about rooting and warranties, you can just as easily unroot. Rooting can save you some headaches, since it's much easier to back up apps and such (titanium back-up, for one) and as you mentioned the ability to flash nice themes, such as kalagas.
I haven't flashed a custom rom yet, tho I have flashed Kalagas. Nice look!
Do some reading and enjoy your note, it's a great tablet with lots of potential to personalize it and make it your own. (check out some of the home screens in the Apps and Themes forum)

lazer155 said:
What if you run triangle away right after flashing a new ROM? That way if it bricks or hangs at the start screen, the flash count triangle will still be 0. Would that work? Is there really no way to remove the triangle through USB and a computer?
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As stated in the Triangle Away Description on Google Play.
"Please also note that some devices set the counter to 1 at every boot if you are running a custom kernel or recovery. On these devices, Triangle Away may always display 1 - make sure to check the counter in actual download mode".

It's on the android market...
Here you go!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...EsImNvbS5iamJpbmMubXVsdGl3aW5kb3dtYW5hZ2VyIl0.
killerapl said:
What multi window program are you using?
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This is the procedure I followed.
Really easy, first time I root:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957002
First 3 posts contain all the information.
I'll root the note 8 once I have it, it's worth it.
g33kChic said:
Cool. If I may ask are you on rooted stock or are you using a custom rom? If so, which rom are you using?
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Root or not to root

I'm no computer whiz so what are the advantages of rooting this phone as it seems plenty fast as is.

Well, with rooting, it's pretty much like being the Admin of your computer. So for starters, you have control over many more phone functions, especially when it comes to something like tethering. There are more apps and themes and ROMs available for you to use, which will cut down on battery usage, give you a better looking set of themes, and allow you to overclock not only your processor but also your GPU.
It's definitely something that isn't terribly essential, but it does make the phone more.....yours, so to speak.

Looks like I'm rooting and is there a way to unroot in case you need to send it back to Sprint so restoring to factory settings.

Yea you can flash back to stock and they'll never even know you had it rooted or had a custom rom
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Yup, unrooting is easy. Here's one such app that allows you to temporarily unroot or unroot completely: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.projectvoodoo.otarootkeeper&hl=en
There's several other apps like this and a lot of guides on how to do it.

3 main reasons why I root all my devices:
1. Add app data backup (mainly games) to my new device
2. Tether
3. Flash custom roms

Root.
As previously stated, more performance, battery gains, and free tethering are only a few of the advantages....
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Curious about the bootloader and S-OFF unlocking possibilities on each carrier... Anyone know any info?

it is necessary
you can be the admin of your phone. you control it , not the phone control you.

Besides all the reasons some folks have mentioned, I also root to use ad-blockers..
So I do not have to put up with ads is some apps.

Hoggles said:
Curious about the bootloader and S-OFF unlocking possibilities on each carrier... Anyone know any info?
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Samsung devices doesn't have "S OFF". It's only htc devices. Bootloader maybe locked, depending on your carrier
Sent from my supercharged :tank:

Well I want root asap on mine, going to have to uninstall all those S-lag apps Samsung added. Ones no one really needs and jsut slow the phone down. S heath and S Apps etc

The main reasons I'm going to root ASAP are because I want to enable an ad-blocker, wifi tether, restore some apps and disable some of the bloatware on the AT&T model. I'm going to try and stick with the stock ROM at least for a couple months. I've been using AOKP for a good 6 months on the GS3, it will be a nice change to go back to Touchwiz for a bit. (hopefully)

I will also be rooting mine as soon as I get it, so that I can restore everything from my s3 to it. I won't worry about custom roms for this phone for a while, although I'm sure that thread will explode in a few weeks.

I think I am leaving this one stocks for once. At least for a little while
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root because there will be massive amounts of mods available. i know because i'll be working on quite a few
cheers!

I'm starting to think I'll get my 9500 this week and there won't be root for it. If I can't restore with Ti then it will sit in the box for a bit.

Sarcron said:
Yup, unrooting is easy. Here's one such app that allows you to temporarily unroot or unroot completely: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.projectvoodoo.otarootkeeper&hl=en
There's several other apps like this and a lot of guides on how to do it.
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Must be rooted in order to use OTA RootKeeper from Play!
This application makes a backup or a protected backup of your device's root.
This device must already be rooted: OTA RootKeeper doesn't have the ability to root devices.
Link to thread from Chainfire about getting i9505 root
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AmesCell said:
I'm starting to think I'll get my 9500 this week and there won't be root for it. If I can't restore with Ti then it will sit in the box for a bit.
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"sit in the box for a bit" ... like 2-3 minutes :laugh:

Mine may as well be shipped prerooted. I'm going to make sure my 'life companion' will really be my life companion lol.

I have decided to root if nothing else so I can tether. I also like to change the boot animation and shutdown animation. Looks like I'll be doing a lot of learning from you XDA guys.

The benefits of rooting?

I know some people will wonder why I'm asking but this would be the first time I'm thinking of rooting and I wouldn't mind getting an idea of what it allows me to do with the phone. Thanks!
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This is the development thread ask it in q & a thread.
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Pros:
"Free" Wifi Tethering (Allows you to use phone as a Hotspot for internet)
Delete Carrier Bloatware
Eliminate Banner Ads
Backup Everything on Your Phone
Make Your Phone Run Faster (By overclocking CPU etc)
Increase Your Battery Life (By installing custom and/or underclocking CPU)
Run Any App You Like
Move/Run Apps for SD-Card (with apps like Foldermount)
Cons:
Voids Your Warranty
Overclocking Can Cause Damage
Some apps wont work with root (EG: Banking apps, Sky Go etc)
Easy to Brick your Phone (If not done correctly)
Will Make Your Phone Less Stable (If not done correctly)
Rooting Could Become Illegal
May Prevent You from Getting Updates
There all loads more reason but these are the main ones.

Titanium Pro backup All the reason I need to root

crimptool said:
Titanium Pro backup All the reason I need to root
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+1

Zultrax-UK said:
Pros:
"Free" Wifi Tethering (Allows you to use phone as a Hotspot for internet)
Delete Carrier Bloatware
Eliminate Banner Ads
Backup Everything on Your Phone
Make Your Phone Run Faster (By overclocking CPU etc)
Increase Your Battery Life (By installing custom and/or underclocking CPU)
Run Any App You Like
Move/Run Apps for SD-Card (with apps like Foldermount)
Cons:
Voids Your Warranty
Overclocking Can Cause Damage
Some apps wont work with root (EG: Banking apps, Sky Go etc)
Easy to Brick your Phone (If not done correctly)
Will Make Your Phone Less Stable (If not done correctly)
Rooting Could Become Illegal
May Prevent You from Getting Updates
There all loads more reason but these are the main ones.
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This is a very good list. I would just add one more PRO: rooting lets you buy a new phone more often (because you brick your old ones more often)
Seriously, one of the main reasons to root for me personally is to get rid of the banner ads for phones I prepare for older people who are prone to clicking on the banners and installing spam as the result.
Basically rooting is for people who like tinkering with their hardware.
OP, since you asked the question, I assume you have not rooted before, you should read up more about this, and maybe wait a few more days, to make sure rooting methods are stable, and you are fully familiar with the procedure. Believe me you do not want your phone accidentally bricked.

If you want some of the benefits of rooting such as the blocking banner ads you can unroot after changing the hosts file.

ill hold on rooting for now due to the cons. I dont want to break my first Droid :silly:

agree, and right now there is no full rooting toolkit for the s4 so I'll probably wait as well

Zymesh said:
ill hold on rooting for now due to the cons. I dont want to break my first Droid :silly:
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i personally plan to wait 4-6 months before rooting... i can download stuff straight to my phone now cause of my huge sd card whereas before i would need to tether to my pc... also 9 gigs is enough for all the apps i run... i tend to be more minimalistic when it comes to downloading games etc...
so, for now i'll be fine without rooting just in case something goes wrong with it & i need to use the manufacturers warranty.

kreoXDA said:
This is a very good list. I would just add one more PRO: rooting lets you buy a new phone more often (because you brick your old ones more often)
Seriously, one of the main reasons to root for me personally is to get rid of the banner ads for phones I prepare for older people who are prone to clicking on the banners and installing spam as the result.
Basically rooting is for people who like tinkering with their hardware.
OP, since you asked the question, I assume you have not rooted before, you should read up more about this, and maybe wait a few more days, to make sure rooting methods are stable, and you are fully familiar with the procedure. Believe me you do not want your phone accidentally bricked.
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haha...nice words.

AventEx said:
agree, and right now there is no full rooting toolkit for the s4 so I'll probably wait as well
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I an waiting for tool kit because I'm not confident enough to do it with the current methods
How long before we can expect tool kits?
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I feel as though unless your experienced the current root methods are not noob friendly at all
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crimptool said:
Titanium Pro backup All the reason I need to root
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Yeah me too. But as far as i can say, I have old Galaxy S rooted, my banking apps work fine. Dont know which banking app does that root check. Remind me not to open an account, apply for credit card, take loans from that bank! :silly:

Apps no longer able to enable/disable the cellular radio without root
Rooting S4 (and all others phones) with JB 4.2.x IMHO is absolutely necessary as Google has removed the possibility for profile-manager apps to control the ON/OFF state of the cellular radio.
Unfortunately many serious users relying on time or location based profile switch are now out of luck!
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=40497

It is not easy to brick your phone. You have to not pay attention, not follow directions, and use no common sense to get there. By that last I mean you should avoid unproven root methods unless you are willing to take the risks involved that such trail blazers face.
I'm not saying that rooting is right for anyone but those with a functional brain and the ability to read and follow simple directions should have a problem free experience. A couple basics, read the directions, all of them. Make absolutely sure that this procedure is the correct procedure for your specific handset. Do not be brave, it's no fun looking at a phone that won't boot when you lack the experience to deal with it so stick with what's proven. If you are not sure after reading up on the procedure, ask. No one wants to spoon feed the lazy but learning means asking questions sometimes so having read the material do not hesitate to ask if a part of the process is unclear.

[Q] (Q) Root why not to?

I know that root your S5 will trip knox.
I know that some have been saying that, if you root, that you can cant get connection to the update sever.
But what other issuse is there.
Sorry for the spelling, but im dyslexic.

Paland49 said:
I know that root your S5 will trip knox.
I know that some have been saying that, if you root, that you can cant get connection to the update sever.
But what other issuse is there.
Sorry for the spelling, but im dyslexic.
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Regarding KNOX there is a massive grey area around it, will Samsung carry out warranty work if it's tripped. Some report yes, some report no, some just don't know but guess.
It's all down to you really, if you feel rooting is a benefit to you then it might be worth losing OTA/Knox(warranty) etc. I rooted my Note 3 and tripped KNOX the day I got it, and tbh I never had issues.

radicalisto said:
Regarding KNOX there is a massive grey area around it, will Samsung carry out warranty work if it's tripped. Some report yes, some report no, some just don't know but guess.
It's all down to you really, if you feel rooting is a benefit to you then it might be worth losing OTA/Knox(warranty) etc. I rooted my Note 3 and tripped KNOX the day I got it, and tbh I never had issues.
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I got a Note 10.1 2014 and I have root it. i really like to options root gives me, like frezzing app's i dont need or use and ADAway. But im not sure to root my S5 or not to.

Ask yourself if you really need root right now, if not then don't risk it, if you do then go ahead and do what you need etc.

hmm, I think the real question is about the risk versus benefits...
Thing is I refuse to share my device with my compagny, if I own the hardware then all software limits are unacceptable.period.
Now, getting root is not for all and every user, so unless you know what you do then don't go for it...
I think that since most of our digital life happen on mobile device nowadays, empowerment is mandatory.
We can't let big company decide for us, too much is at stake.
For example, I use Xposed module with Xprivacy in order to have control over what data of mine are shared with internet.
Root only brings you control, not only choices, and that's what matter!

vorta251 said:
hmm, I think the real question is about the risk versus benefits...
Thing is I refuse to share my device with my compagny, if I own the hardware then all software limits are unacceptable.period.
Now, getting root is not for all and every user, so unless you know what you do then don't go for it...
I think that since most of our digital life happen on mobile device nowadays, empowerment is mandatory.
We can't let big company decide for us, too much is at stake.
For example, I use Xposed module with Xprivacy in order to have control over what data of mine are shared with internet.
Root only brings you control, not only choices, and that's what matter!
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I am very interested in the privacy point you make was just wondering if you could expand on what Xposed module and xprivacy do. Sorry fairly new to rooting and mods. I have a stock Telus s5 900w8 thanks in advance

Ffinger said:
I am very interested in the privacy point you make was just wondering if you could expand on what Xposed module and xprivacy do. Sorry fairly new to rooting and mods. I have a stock Telus s5 900w8 thanks in advance
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Xposed is a framework that allow module to run at a system level WITHOUT to have to modify your rom (it's very much alike to what winterboard is to jailbreaked Iphone).
Modules are very different from added functionality to cosmetic changes.
Xprivacy is not blocking any permissions for the apps, instead you can generate random informations and choose to give it to the apps.
The apps never crash because of Xprivacy, for example, Facebook thing I live in finland (i'm located in Asia)
So you can decide app by app what you allow and what you don't.
You'll find plenty of info about these topics here on xda!