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Games under Froyo - Graphical performances?

Hi guys,
can someone tell me if anyone has posted some video showing how good are the graphical performances under froyo with games like Asphalt 5 or similar.
Maybe someone has already found a comparison...
You know the benchmark are only numbers, but I need to know how these numbers are applied in the real use

ye, I also want to know the graphical perdormance of desire under the 2.2. Because Asphalt 5 get little stuck in the 2.1.

Asphalt 5 won't get any better, it's a very dirty port from the iphone version to Android by Gameloft... they didn't spend enough time on it.

sruon said:
Asphalt 5 won't get any better, it's a very dirty port from the iphone version to Android by Gameloft... they didn't spend enough time on it.
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yeah, all games should work fine now on the desire, with or without froyo. Don't forget the desire has a 1ghz cpu much greater than the iphone which is around 400mhz. Any game that struggles with framedrops is due to bad programming. I remember Raging Thunder 2, which also had a lot of framedrops in their earlier version. Later on, they updated the game code and the game now works fantastic.
Good games are starting to come now

Its not that simple. Snapdragon is faster than the iPhone CPU for general purpose processing but the GPU in the iPhone is faster.

But still what pina says is true: I mean, Asphalt 5 looks crap and runs slow when compared to Raging Thunder 2. The latter looks a lot better and runs totally smooth.
What I want to say is, the iPhone's GPU might be faster (I dont know the technical details here), but the Snapdragon is still fast enough for graphics as good as on the iPhone, when coded properly.

New version of Asphalt 5 RUNS Very Smooth ;-)

Some games are badly coded, its always been like that on all platforms. Too many Android games are ports, this is never good, and one reason why the games are slow. Electopia on Winmo shows that snapdragon games can look great. However we still have a slower GPU and 2.5x the pixels to push around than the iPhone.. Of course its probable that the low resolution of the iphone also holds back how good its games will ultimately look. I havent been all that impressed with them to be honest, but they have a smooth frame rate.

pina_ said:
yeah, all games should work fine now on the desire, with or without froyo. Don't forget the desire has a 1ghz cpu much greater than the iphone which is around 400mhz. Any game that struggles with framedrops is due to bad programming. I remember Raging Thunder 2, which also had a lot of framedrops in their earlier version. Later on, they updated the game code and the game now works fantastic.
Good games are starting to come now
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*Sigh*
Clock speed doesn't make any bit of difference.
Snapdragon beats the iPhone cpu for regular CPU activities but doesn't stand up to it's GPU.

Nexus 10 gaming problems?

hey guys, im looking to buy the nexus 10, but it seems that the res, of the screen, makes some games lag, or is it down to the games not yet optimised?, not only that but, is is possible to force games to run at a lower res, ?
is it worth getting for gaming,?
thanks. amatris

I've had no problems with Nova 3, Shadow Gun, Shadow gun dead zone, Vice city, Deard Trigger, GTA 3, fruit ninja, Angry Birds and SuperGNES.
Which games have you been told lag?

I have to say, I've noticed lag on even simple games like Subway Surfer. In fact sometimes you lose because of the lag!
However I have also played Nova 3 and a couple of other high quality games and had no issues. Thinking it may be more settings based than tablet based!

NFS: MW is one of the games that drop frames pretty hard and is all because of the thermal throttle that the exynos 5 have.

Thanks for the reply guys, bit this id making me think tjat its not a good gaming tablet :-\ , is it still worth it?
Thanks amatris

amatris1996 said:
Thanks for the reply guys, bit this id making me think tjat its not a good gaming tablet :-\ , is it still worth it?
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A lot of the problems can actually be solved by slightly under volting the CPU. This reduces the thermal throttling.

nathanhd123 said:
A lot of the problems can actually be solved by slightly under volting the CPU. This reduces the thermal throttling.
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Would it be possible to explain how to do this? I've never wanted to play around with this settings! I use AOKP...

Tripledrop said:
Would it be possible to explain how to do this? I've never wanted to play around with this settings! I use AOKP...
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Undervolting is all done through a custom kernel. Check out some of the threads in the dev sections and see if you're up for it. Or just install the Franco custom kernel and you won't have to adjust anything and gaming should be just great! :good:

Do not get this tablet if you want a tablet for gaming plain and simple. The tablet has a relatively weak GPU and massive screen resolution to power. Games like Dead Trigger will run fine on Low settings, but crank the settings to high and the game turns into a stuttering mess. Need for Speed Most Wanted has less graphical effects and details than the iPad version and yet also runs laggy and drops frames. Even something like Subway Surfers and Temple Run are laggy and have a delay when you swipe your finger.
Undervolting it does not help. Undervolting it merely makes it not throttle when it gets too hot. However, the throttling is not the only issue this tablet has with gaming. The GPU is not good enough for this display. You can notice it well enough when scrolling and watching text deform. This text deforming problem happened in the iPad 3 to a lesser degree and is completely absent in the iPad 2 and 4. (3 being that awkward middle retina child without a good enough GPU).
This tablet is great for media consumption but not for playing games.

What do you recommend for a 10inch gaming tablet??
Thanks a matrix.
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amatris1996 said:
What do you recommend for a 10inch gaming tablet??
Thanks a matrix.
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An ipad if you want a gaming tablet. There really is no comparison to be honest for gaming.

Well I want to stick with android, I'm a big android fan and iv used the ipad, the first one that came out right up to the ipad mini and I have to say I don't like ios,
Any android ones you would recommend??
Thanks a amatris .
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amatris1996 said:
Well I want to stick with android, I'm a big android fan and iv used the ipad, the first one that came out right up to the ipad mini and I have to say I don't like ios,
Any android ones you would recommend??
Thanks a amatris .
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Its just hard to recommend anything other than the ipad if you want it primarily for gaming. The ipad has a significantly larger library with games that look and play better than anything we have. Look at the note 10.1.

Hmm ok ty, should I be looking at the tegra 3 gpu's for graphics and I'm guessing a quad core cpu?
Thanks amatris.
Edit: how would a Asus TFT300T Transformer? hold up? its at my very max on the price up to £350,
it has
1.4GHz NVIDIA - Tegra 3 Quad-core processor.??
Thanks amatris.
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dust. said:
Undervolting is all done through a custom kernel. Check out some of the threads in the dev sections and see if you're up for it. Or just install the Franco custom kernel and you won't have to adjust anything and gaming should be just great! :good:
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Ok thx, will look into it!

NickTheMajin said:
Do not get this tablet if you want a tablet for gaming plain and simple. The tablet has a relatively weak GPU and massive screen resolution to power. Games like Dead Trigger will run fine on Low settings, but crank the settings to high and the game turns into a stuttering mess.
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the Quad-core Mali T604 is fast as hell trust me
the problem is that it doesnt get enough CPU power to show off.
the stock settings for the CPU usage is set way to low!
one more thing that makes the games to lag is the up/down speed changes.
everytime the CPU changes its frequency you get lag.
if you have been into PC games you know that a fast GPU is depending alot on the CPU speed as well.
with the stock 1000mhz speeds that the CPU is using for games it wont max out the GPU.
the GPU screams for more CPU power.
the ONLY way to get games running smooth on the N10 is to LOCK the CPU speed at 1500 or 1700mhz.
but its one more problem and i think you know what it is
so to TS
dont judge the N10 for one bad optimized game(NFSMW) with stock ROM.
the games i have tried runs all at 60fps with max graphic settings.
but ok its not stock
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Tripledrop said:
I have to say, I've noticed lag on even simple games like Subway Surfer. In fact sometimes you lose because of the lag!
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lol what the... ?
i just installed it and it runs super smooth at 60fps even with the CPU locked at a low 1000mhz!
that is what i call a optimized game.
but as i said you probably have a CPU that dont knows what freq it wants to use and games dont like it.
just lock the Min/Max CPU speed at the same mhz and come back with a comment
Edit: just tried Subway Surfer with the Stock CPU Governor "Interactive" and stock speeds 200/1700 and it lags as you said.
not much but you notice it.

How do i lock the CPU. And what is that problem you mentioned? Im a very new android newbie
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NickTheMajin said:
Undervolting it does not help. Undervolting it merely makes it not throttle when it gets too hot. However, the throttling is not the only issue this tablet has with gaming. The GPU is not good enough for this display. You can notice it well enough when scrolling and watching text deform. This text deforming problem happened in the iPad 3 to a lesser degree and is completely absent in the iPad 2 and 4. (3 being that awkward middle retina child without a good enough GPU).
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Instructions on deforming text?

Patrik G said:
the Quad-core Mali T604 is fast as hell trust me
the problem is that it doesnt get enough CPU power to show off.
the stock settings for the CPU usage is set way to low!
one more thing that makes the games to lag is the up/down speed changes.
everytime the CPU changes its frequency you get lag.
if you have been into PC games you know that. fast GPU is depending alot on the CPU speed as well.
with the stock 1000mhz speeds that the CPU is using for games it wont max out the GPU.
the GPU screams for more CPU power.
the ONLY way to get games running smooth on the N10 is to LOCK the CPU speed at 1500 or 1700mhz.
but its one more problem and i think you know what it is
so to TS
dont judge the N10 for one bad optimized game(NFSMW) with stock ROM.
the games i have tried runs all at 60fps with max graphic settings.
but ok its not stock
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lol what the... ?
i just installed it and it runs super smooth at 60fps even with the CPU locked at a low 1000mhz!
that is what i call a optimized game.
but as i said you probably have a CPU that dont knows what freq it wants to use and games dont like it.
just lock the Min/Max CPU speed at the same mhz and come back with a comment
Edit: just tried Subway Surfer with the Stock CPU Governor "Interactive" and stock speeds 200/1700 and it lags as you said.
not much but you notice it.
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My tablet is locked at 1700mhz and is laggy in every game I try except the playstation emulator and dead trigger on low settings. Subway surfers is still laggy and need for speed is unplayable. I am a pc gamer so im very sensitive to framerates. A good way to tell the gpu is lacking is by watching text deform as you scroll, a pretty classic sign of gpu performance I believe we have the fastest cpu on the tablet front. But a much weaker gpu than the ipad 4 and it shows in our gaming performance. Im not sure how you are getting these games to run at 60fps. Sre you sure it is 60fps? I know many console gamers see 26fps and think its smooth while I think its utter rubbish.

NickTheMajin said:
My tablet is locked at 1700mhz and is laggy in every game I try except the playstation emulator and dead trigger on low settings. Subway surfers is still laggy and need for speed is unplayable. I am a pc gamer so im very sensitive to framerates. A good way to tell the gpu is lacking is by watching text deform as you scroll, a pretty classic sign of gpu performance I believe we have the fastest cpu on the tablet front. But a much weaker gpu than the ipad 4 and it shows in our gaming performance. Im not sure how you are getting these games to run at 60fps. Sre you sure it is 60fps? I know many console gamers see 26fps and think its smooth while I think its utter rubbish.
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You're throttling.

I9505 feels laggy in games!

I used to play GTA vice city in my note 2 N7100. It was so smooth, now im playing the same game but it feels laggy. It looks like im playing below 30 fps.
I think its something with the game or driver issue. Anyone with same problem?
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Haven't had any lag on a single game I have played myself, although GTA isn't one of them. Perhaps there is a compatibility issue. One thing is for sure, it isn't the I9505 being too slow.
Sent from my Qualcomm Galaxy S4

This happens in many games. It shouldnt, but it does. And it is known and odd issue.
I play lot of 2D games like Hill climb racing, bubble shooter etc and those games used to play fine on last year's hardware. Even if we are talking about 1080P screens, these games play fine on Oppo Find 5 which has same GPU as ours and inferior Krait 200 CPU. And it plays those games fine. But microstutter is experienced on I9505 as well as HTC One. Both of them are using S600 chip.
A lot of tinkering and manual CPU frequency lock at max speed (manually or though setcpu profiles ) reduces the jitter and microstutter, but it does not still completely eliminates it.
Hell these games play fine on Mediatek MTK6589 SoC.
I am not able to solve this on my either S600 phones for over a month now.
It is not SGS4 exclusive issue. Either these games are not optimised for S600 or governors on these phones are not ramping up GPU clock when required or there is thermal throttling happening.

Funkym0nkey said:
This happens in many games. It shouldnt, but it does. And it is known and odd issue.
I play lot of 2D games like Hill climb racing, bubble shooter etc and those games used to play fine on last year's hardware. Even if we are talking about 1080P screens, these games play fine on Oppo Find 5 which has same GPU as ours and inferior Krait 200 CPU. And it plays those games fine. But microstutter is experienced on I9505 as well as HTC One. Both of them are using S600 chip.
A lot of tinkering and manual CPU frequency lock at max speed (manually or though setcpu profiles ) reduces the jitter and microstutter, but it does not still completely eliminates it.
Hell these games play fine on Mediatek MTK6589 SoC.
I am not able to solve this on my either S600 phones for over a month now.
It is not SGS4 exclusive issue. Either these games are not optimised for S600 or governors on these phones are not ramping up GPU clock when required or there is thermal throttling happening.
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Try setting the GPU Governor to performance while you are playing to see if that solves the issue.

Toss3 said:
Try setting the GPU Governor to performance while you are playing to see if that solves the issue.
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That is exactly what I do. In SetCPU I have created custom profiles for games.
It just reduces the jitter, does not eliminate it. Funny thing is, some more heavy games play just fine.

same issue
i have the same issue with vice city, on s3 it was so smooth and now i uninstalled the game because i dont like shuttering... it was lagging like hell nfs most wanted, carmageddon etc are working great.

What I have seen is that the SoC Heats up very quick and it begins to throttle down CPU and GPU frequencies to cool itself! Our phones should theoretically be 1.9GHz beasts and they are..... for 15 to 20secs! Then everything goes to hell as the CPU throttles down to 918MHz (GPU too goes down) and it actually becomes slower than last year's Phones!
I hate Mobile technologies! My Acer Iconia W700Pro behaves the same! It has an Intel Core i5 3317U CPU with an Intel 4000HD Graphics GPU and it should be able to play many games without problems but Because of throttling it is actually Slower than an i3 CPU if you rum longer tasks!
Somebody must begin thinking of new ways to cool these CPUs instead of ramping Up MHz just so manufacturers can brag about it!

That's why I keep my Note 2 (I sold my S4 already, mainly because of the pen)
It's very cool, no throlling in any case, perfect smooth with no lag at all. Stability test proved it the best also.
I don't know why reviewers and many people keep screwing about benchmark and raw power. They are BS and do not convert to the real experience.

Maybe because these games are not optimized for FHD resolution?

They play well on i9500. I really want octa but 4G is fast where I live.
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Maybe because these games are not optimized for FHD resolution?
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Nope. If that was the case they would have problems with my i9500 or Oppo Find 5. They work fine on these.
9500 does not even get warm playing Hill climb racing.
This issue is specific to Snapdragon S600 powered phones.
From my Galaxy S4 Exynos, in your face.....

Should I exchange my i9505 for i9500 or wait for solution or software update that fixes this lag?

Have you activated the 4x MSAA under Developer options?
Many of my games started to lag quite alot after i enabled that. So i turned it off and every games runs buttery smooth.

Maybe if you make a profile to undervolt and underclock your phone, just to prevent it to get too warm, the the throttling won't underclock teh GPU because of war issues.
I just Undervolt 50mv on all frequencies and it seems fine on all games!

tiaolipa said:
Maybe if you make a profile to undervolt and underclock your phone, just to prevent it to get too warm, the the throttling won't underclock teh GPU because of war issues.
I just Undervolt 50mv on all frequencies and it seems fine on all games!
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Interesting, can you please give some brief steps to achive it? Which app you use and setting etc. Are you sure, it works? For example, if you disable undervolt/underclock, some games start to lagg?

i have both GTA 3 and vice city aswell as modern combat 3 and 4, and all of them works fine on my S4, although i have the octacore i9500 version.

I have the i9500 version ( Octa ), and faces this problem a lot and also most of the times the phone gets hot and starts draining the battery too fast !! so it's not throttling at all with this temperature and battery drain !!
I had this problem with Note2 but not as much as S4 ( and without getting hot or eating the battery !! ).. the S4 sometimes gives me as low as 1FPS or less sometimes ( measuring by eye )

Jason2k13 said:
i have both GTA 3 and vice city aswell as modern combat 3 and 4, and all of them works fine on my S4, although i have the octacore i9500 version.
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And do you notice overheating when playing? How bad is it? Can you compare it with your previous phone?

I have a i9505 and are not that butter smooth as on my old i9300. But then again after the latest MEA update it's better then before. Not perfect but its something. This sure means they can fix it over time. I did not own a i9300 for long but I assume at launch that phone had the same problems as this one. After a while with update the phone became smooth right?
About the heating issues. I don't really think its a problem. CPU and GPU will get hot while playing games like Modern Combat 4. The iPhone 5 also gets really hot so its nothing abnormal. Mine is getting hot while playing games but not concerning hot.

renosj said:
Interesting, can you please give some brief steps to achive it? Which app you use and setting etc. Are you sure, it works? For example, if you disable undervolt/underclock, some games start to lagg?
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I use Ktoonsez Kernel. It comes with an app that lets you control all that.:good:
For how to install the kernel though, I'd rather not give any advice on that, because I have done quite a mess on my own device on my mistakes during the instalation. I never had any problems installing Kernels on my Galaxy S2, S3 and Note2, but on the S4 I'm still pretty inexperient.
On the Kernel and Roms foruns you will find plenty XDA users that can help you on the installing process sweetly though!

Poor gaming performance - Galaxy Note 4

Hey all.
So I would expect a 500 quid phone to be able to play the latest and greatest mobile games without stutter. Unfortunately this is not the case, with my most recent example being Real Racing 3. This game has terrible stutter and a frame rate of maybe 20fps if i am lucky.
I suspect this is partly to do with screen resolution, however is there a way to actually make the Galaxy Note 4 a good gaming device? I have root.

@captainbirdseye86 Lower the screen resolution with nomone apk from google play there is a thread about it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/downscale-resolution-to-1080p-to-t2886177 and the apk link is here https://play.google.com/store/apps/...=nomone&pcampaignid=APPU_6l3OVKeSLZPaav6hgdAK also try to disable dvfs with xposed framework install a custom kernel (more performance depending on your settings but also more battery drain) and try to have a stock ROM as much as possible yeah all those customized Roms are way better but nothing is perfect all those mods costs on the performance also greenify your apps and system apps as much as you can...just some tips

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@captainbirdseye86 Lower the screen resolution with nomone apk from google play there is a thread about it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/downscale-resolution-to-1080p-to-t2886177 and the apk link is here https://play.google.com/store/apps/...=nomone&pcampaignid=APPU_6l3OVKeSLZPaav6hgdAK also try to disable dvfs with xposed framework install a custom kernel (more performance depending on your settings but also more battery drain) and try to have a stock ROM as much as possible yeah all those customized Roms are way better but nothing is perfect all those mods costs on the performance also greenify your apps and system apps as much as you can...just some tips
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Good work man. I'll just add closing background apps and messing with the minimum/maximum GPU/CPU clock.

captainbirdseye86 said:
Hey all.
So I would expect a 500 quid phone to be able to play the latest and greatest mobile games without stutter. Unfortunately this is not the case, with my most recent example being Real Racing 3. This game has terrible stutter and a frame rate of maybe 20fps if i am lucky.
I suspect this is partly to do with screen resolution, however is there a way to actually make the Galaxy Note 4 a good gaming device? I have root.
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it is very disappointing indeed .. I rarely play games, but Asphalt 8 is my favourite and it is just unplayable on my sd805 note 4.
I have paid £587 for the device, and apparently have to root it and spend hours if not days tweaking it to be able to play some games.. Not a good job from Samsung in this department ...

mitko76 said:
it is very disappointing indeed .. I rarely play games, but Asphalt 8 is my favourite and it is just unplayable on my sd805 note 4.
I have paid £587 for the device, and apparently have to root it and spend hours if not days tweaking it to be able to play some games.. Not a good job from Samsung in this department ...
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The answer to all your performance problems is a clean bug free pure google ROM I don't know if you can install one on the SD since I have the octa one but a ROM without all those s crap and bloatware equals to more performance if the ROM of course is properly cooked
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Good work man. I'll just add closing background apps and messing with the minimum/maximum GPU/CPU clock.
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I heard a dev talk that there isn't much to be gained by ocing the GPU and as far as CPU oc goes the more you push it the less time it will stay on that frequency because overheating could be 5 minutes away at full throttle oh and if you oc the GPU keep in mind that some voltage tuning might be necessary on the octa one I had stuttering on ultimate and persues kernels it varies from device to device...
PS hit that thanks button

The answer to the problems... its partly the chip runs so hot.. wait for lollipop to see what happens 1st

sephkateno said:
The answer to all your performance problems is a clean bug free pure google ROM I don't know if you can install one on the SD since I have the octa one but a ROM without all those s crap and bloatware equals to more performance if the ROM of course is properly cooked
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I heard a dev talk that there isn't much to be gained by ocing the GPU and as far as CPU oc goes the more you push it the less time it will stay on that frequency because overheating could be 5 minutes away at full throttle oh and if you oc the GPU keep in mind that some voltage tuning might be necessary on the octa one I had stuttering on ultimate and persues kernels it varies from device to device...
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If you encounter problems with GPU OC, just increase the voltage a little bit. Don't see a problem there. When I talk about GPU/CPU management I mean mainly to increase the minimum GPU clock as some games don't demand enough of our device (haven't tested). Even with DVFS disabled I get a lot of 20ish fps playing spider man unlimited and the phone isn't even warm. It means the game is not requesting enough power. This is something I want to test, to force a high GPU clock with DVFS disabled and see what happens, but there's no kernel able to do that on exynos yet. Have you tested this? Do you know a way to control GPU clock on exynos or do you think they'll ever implement it?
mitko76 said:
it is very disappointing indeed .. I rarely play games, but Asphalt 8 is my favourite and it is just unplayable on my sd805 note 4.
I have paid £587 for the device, and apparently have to root it and spend hours if not days tweaking it to be able to play some games.. Not a good job from Samsung in this department ...
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It is very unfortunate to say that every smatphone in the world is like this. I'm a fan of asphalt 8 myself so I can say about it. I was playing the game on my girlfriend's iphone 6 which has the best GPU on a smartphone in my opinion + 750p resolution = insane graphics performance, right?? Sure! IF you don't throttle like crazy. Even with this insane combination the game hits 20ish fps here and there while the phone barely gets warm.
If you want to play the game with high fps without rooting just lower the graphics in options -> display. I was playing on high after all the mods I've done but it gets so hot and the battery runs out SO FAST that now I'm just playing on low/very low. The quality difference is minimum and you can play for a looong time.
If you need help to tweak your device (after root) for playing you can PM me. I'm a high fps addicted.
Hit the thanks button if I helped.

i am not sure why the games you are playing got low fps, i have played many games including BIA3, NFS MW , Dead Trigger 2 , BatMan, MC3 , Asphalt 8 etc
I so far felt no stuttering or any slowness even no Hot device over my Exynos
I am on stock No Root

fursuf said:
i am not sure why the games you are playing got low fps, i have played many games including BIA3, NFS MW , Dead Trigger 2 , BatMan, MC3 , Asphalt 8 etc
I so far felt no stuttering or any slowness even no Hot device over my Exynos
I am on stock No Root
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You live in a cold place? Don't play for long periods? Many games run perfect on complete stock, sure! It isn't that bad.

@gabrielgon thank you for your time explaining this so yeah I get stuttering on God of fire let's say I will have to increase the gpu voltages table by at least 50 to make the problem ALMOST disappear now about low fps yeah also on galaxy on fire when a ship explodes I get some fps drop it is quite hilarious really thinking that this monster reaches out it's limits after some brainstorming though I figured I should reduce the resolution to 1080p or even 720 and woala no fps drops although the stuttering is still there so I guess I will have to increase the gpu frequency although I don't know if there is a way to do this...I will try to search a little
EDIT: OK so I used two apps that let you control the gpu frequency but it won't work on one app the function was greased out and on the other I kept pushing the button but it never took me to the menu to change the gpu frequency my guess is since the kernel doesn't support neither will the apps I don't think we will find any out there to do it if the kernel doesn't support it...

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You live in a cold place? Don't play for long periods? Many games run perfect on complete stock, sure! It isn't that bad.
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Yes. I never played more then 40mins and the normal temp around is about 30C

fursuf said:
Yes. I never played more then 40mins and the normal temp around is about 30C
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I wish the rest of us gamers were like you

sephkateno said:
@gabrielgon thank you for your time explaining this so yeah I get stuttering on God of fire let's say I will have to increase the gpu voltages table by at least 50 to make the problem ALMOST disappear now about low fps yeah also on galaxy on fire when a ship explodes I get some fps drop it is quite hilarious really thinking that this monster reaches out it's limits after some brainstorming though I figured I should reduce the resolution to 1080p or even 720 and woala no fps drops although the stuttering is still there so I guess I will have to increase the gpu frequency although I don't know if there is a way to do this...I will try to search a little
EDIT: OK so I used two apps that let you control the gpu frequency but it won't work on one app the function was greased out and on the other I kept pushing the button but it never took me to the menu to change the gpu frequency my guess is since the kernel doesn't support neither will the apps I don't think we will find any out there to do it if the kernel doesn't support it...
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Ok, some stuff I can help you with:
Increasing the voltage doesn't increase performance, this only makes your phone use more energy. People usually undervolt their phones to get better battery life but when it gets too undervolted the phone gets unstable. That's why when you overclock you might need to increase the voltage, to keep it stable.
You won't be able to mess with GPU frequency unless your kernel support it. Maybe if you are a snapdragon user (I'm not sure), but on exynos you won't.
Downscaling resolution helps. There's a thread about it here. Good luck!
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fursuf said:
Yes. I never played more then 40mins and the normal temp around is about 30C
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That's probably the battery temperature, but either way that's pretty dam good!! After 10-15 minutes you'll probably reach the heat peak already so that's enough for testing. Good to know you're having a good experience!

gabrielgon said:
It is very unfortunate to say that every smatphone in the world is like this. I'm a fan of asphalt 8 myself so I can say about it. I was playing the game on my girlfriend's iphone 6 which has the best GPU on a smartphone in my opinion + 750p resolution = insane graphics performance, right?? Sure! IF you don't throttle like crazy. Even with this insane combination the game hits 20ish fps here and there while the phone barely gets warm.
If you want to play the game with high fps without rooting just lower the graphics in options -> display. I was playing on high after all the mods I've done but it gets so hot and the battery runs out SO FAST that now I'm just playing on low/very low. The quality difference is minimum and you can play for a looong time.
If you need help to tweak your device (after root) for playing you can PM me. I'm a high fps addicted.
Hit the thanks button if I helped.
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Thank you gabrielgon, note 4 is the first galaxy phone I am reluctant to root. I just don't have the time I had years ago.
I kind of disagree with you that all phones experience these issues. My previous note 1, 2 and 3 had no such problems.
That is just new to me. With all my previous note phones, I could just download any game (most likely asphalt ) and play as long as I want.
It is annoying that my note 3 (which I still keep) is capable of playing Asphalt 8 on max settings for hours with absolutely no issues and yet my shiny new note 4 just struggling with that.
I think samsung just should not have adopted the 2k display technology so early. Obviously the hardware is not there yet.
I personally do no see any difference pixel wise from the display in my note 3.
Yes, the note 4 has brighter and more accurate colour wise display and that is all they should have change.

captainbirdseye86 said:
Hey all.
So I would expect a 500 quid phone to be able to play the latest and greatest mobile games without stutter. Unfortunately this is not the case, with my most recent example being Real Racing 3. This game has terrible stutter and a frame rate of maybe 20fps if i am lucky.
I suspect this is partly to do with screen resolution, however is there a way to actually make the Galaxy Note 4 a good gaming device? I have root.
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Mate my note 4 hasn't stuttered once during any game. At all so not sure why yours is?

I think you should try Stock and factory reset.

dladz said:
Mate my note 4 hasn't stuttered once during any game. At all so not sure why yours is?
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hi man, are you with sd805? if so, try asphalt 8 (on max settings) for 20min.
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I think you should try Stock and factory reset.
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stock reset is the first thing I always do. it did not change anything.

mitko76 said:
hi man, are you with sd805? if so, try asphalt 8 (on max settings) for 20min.
stock reset is the first thing I always do. it did not change anything.
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Using the 910F, doesn't stutter on emulation, heavy 3D games ?!? Just doesn't stutter, sorry man i'm not seeing it.
But yea the 805 yea, i'm not on stock but even when i was it seemed to be fine.

dladz said:
Using the 910F, doesn't stutter on emulation, heavy 3D games ?!? Just doesn't stutter, sorry man i'm not seeing it.
But yea the 805 yea, i'm not on stock but even when i was it seemed to be fine.
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that is cool man. I played with 3 note 4 (returned the first 2 because of defective displays and overheating) and they all had this issue.
It is not that I dont believe you, but I have to see it to believe it

My experience on the Note 4 is virtually the same as my experience on the Note 2, a device which is over two years old!
I do prefer Exynos, but I purchased the Snapdragon because it is the most supported SoC on the market, for now.
I'll make sure my next device sports an Exynos, I miss my Wolfson and Noticeable Performance Boosts, overall, going from one Exynos generation to the other.

Tablet z gaming [For Root Users]

I guess many of us will use our gorgeous Xperia Tablet Z for mobile gaming. And it runs almost all the games quite well on this powerful tablet.
I'm a game enthusiast myself and I love playing games on Xperia Tablet Z. I own a Pollux and it handles most of the high end games like Modern Combat 4, Nova, Overkill, Asphalt 8 etc..
But some of the new games seem a little laggy due to much higher demand of CPU and GPU. For example we got a new game like Modern Combat 5, it's one of the best FSP/ACTION game in mobile devices and has console quality graphics. And Xperia Tablet Z plays that game well but you might see some lags while playing the game and the game plays around 23-28 Fps, which is just okay.
I've tried a lot of apps, kernels, ROMs and tips and tricks to run the games much better on our beloved Xperia Tablet Z.
Here's some recommendations that I would suggest from my more than two years of usage of Xperia Tablet Z and 11 years of experience in gaming.
[Here I mainly take Modern Combat 5 as the game for review]
Apps for graphical optimization:
GLTools (Paid):
GLTools helps you to add an extra graphic customization in games and add an extra layes of Shaders. With some changes in GLTools settings the games works fairly well but still at times when I play Modern Combat 5 the frame rates drop to somewhere between 18-25 FPS and the game gets a bit laggy.
Resolution Changer:
I've tried some resolution changer apps but most of them doesn't seem to work properly on modded ROMs but works good in stock ROM. But I do have one app that works good.
NoMone Resolution Changer is a good app to change the resolution of the screen. It's not necessary to play the game in full HD so you can just change your screen's resolution to HD (1024*720 in 200 dpi is my fav setting). When you change the resolution sometimes your navigation bar goes out of the screen. But this app provides some handy features like toggling the Navigation buttons to help you sort things out for navigation. It's a free app and makes the game work pretty well on the tablet without much reduction in graphics.
With this resolution changer I've seen much improvement in performance of the game and there's much lag reduction.
You can find this app here,
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nomone.resolution_changer
Controller App:
Just for a suggestion I would recommend an app called Sixaxis Controller for controller support and mapping. Although our Xperia Tablet Z supports PS3 controller on its own, but there are some games whose controller mapping is not so good; game such as Modern Combat 4. So, here you'll need the help of Sixaxis Controller App that makes this game work pretty well with your controller. In my case I use PS3 controller for my gaming and sixaxis controller app for customizing my controllers. I love this app
Kernel
After going through a lot of research over the Web and to get a huge improvement in overall gaming performance in our lovely tablet I would suggest a custom kernel that I love and suggest to others.
EvoMix Kernel for Cm 12.1
EvoMix kernel is an awesome addition to our tablet for greater performance. Not only for playing games but also for regular usage and snappy response. I thank the developers who worked hard to bring us this awesome kernel :good:
The EvoMix kernel ramps up the CPU and GPU for extreme performance. The CPU can be overclocked to 1.7GHz and the GPU can be overclocked to 487MHz which significantly improves the overall performance of the tablet. The kernel also features I/O scheduler tweaks and lot of other improvements that makes your tablet altogether a much powerful and faster.
The EvoMix kernel can be found on this thread originally posted by @BlackAfghan.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xpe...b-tablet-z-evomix-kernel-cyanogenmod-t3120762
ROMs
The Sony's ROM is always has too much bloatwares in it. It's the only thing that makes me not use the Stock ROM. I've played games in different ROMs and mostly all of them work good. But as I suggested earlier about the EvoMix Kernel, it's only available for CyanogenMod and CyanogenMod based ROMs like PAC ROM, crDroid etc (You can find these ROMs across the xda forum under Tablet Z Development threads). With these ROMs and with the help of EvoMix kernel you can play most of the games fairly enough without any lags. I've played Modern Combat 4 and Modern Combat 5 in CM based ROMs and they work quite well.
If you wanna stick with the rooted Stock ROM get rid of the bloatwares and disable useless apps to gain Memory and Speed. Although it won't show any significant improvements but it can give your Game a breathing space on that over-crowded bloatwares on the memory queue and CPU usage.
Mostly I play Modern Combat 4 and 5 on my Pollux (Xperia Tablet Z LTE) and here are my settings and apps that I use to get maximum performance
NoMone Resolution Changer (1024*720 at 200 dpi) for Modern Combat 5
Sixaxis Controller for Controller mapping in Modern Combat 4
CrDroid (as of now) with EvoMix kernel for boost in performance. I've played both the games on Rooted Stock 5.1.1 with all the bloatwares removed and the games works well.
I don't use GLTools anymore because I haven't seen much improvement in Modern Combat 5. But you can see some improvements in Modern Combat 4 using GLTools app with correct settings.
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So that's it guys, all of this information is just to let you know about my experience in gaming and usage of this awesome Tablet You can try these suggestions at your own risk and make sure you do a deeper research on rooting and recovering your tablet from bootloops and bricking.
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Thanks for sharing your experience.

I've tried some new settings with GlTools apps and the game (Modern Combat 5) seems to work quite well.
Just change the render resolution to 0.5x and downscale texture to 0.5x too. It'll help the game to run much better on the tablet Z
First of all in Modern Combat 5, Go to Settings, then Audio (The one with Speaker icon) and change the VFX setting to "Better Performance"
I donno why the GFX setting is under the "Audio" tab :/

Thanks for tips, unfortunately changing resolution with NoMone doesnt work at all on pure CM12.1 and changing it with GLTools will change it to half, but it also renders on half of screen with black parts around. Controls though are on same positions as before, so its almost impossible to control games with onscreen buttons.

Skaldinho said:
Thanks for tips, unfortunately changing resolution with NoMone doesnt work at all on pure CM12.1 and changing it with GLTools will change it to half, but it also renders on half of screen with black parts around. Controls though are on same positions as before, so its almost impossible to control games with onscreen buttons.
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The NoMone Resolution Changer works well with stock ROM but not CM 12.1.
Here's how the game (Modern Combat) looks like with Resolution Changer on Stock Lollipop 5.1.1
The Game works smooth and all controls work well.

Another tip for gaming: Disable MP decision
Disabling MP decision makes all the four cores of the CPU run instead of putting the unused core offline. This reduces the lag because all the cores are available for processing. This can reduce the battery life but give a performance boost.
The best governor settings for playing games:
CPU: Interactive
GPU: Performance
Happy Gaming
If I find much better settings/apps for playing games I'll let you guys know it here