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Rage Against the Carrier and Samsung Machine

Hey Guys,
Just wanted to share a pretty heated thread over on the Captivate Forum.
Please post your comments and show your support!
We need to band together and stick it to the man!!!
Edit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=958214
Thanks in advance

I really hope you get what your looking for, but I am not sure what that is exactly... I must decline though.. I have a life, and have already wasted about 20 seconds of it typing this.
Thanks for thinking of us though.
jcabibi said:
Hey Guys,
Just wanted to share a pretty heated thread over on the Captivate Forum.
Please post your comments and show your support!
We need to band together and stick it to the man!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=704
Thanks in advance
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What's the thread you want us to see...?
You just posted the link to the Captivate's General Section, not any thread.

He probably means the "Communicate with Samsung" thread over there. There's a lot of Samsung hate flying around in there.
I hope Samsung really is trying to move in the right direction. Only time will tell how it pans out, though. The best thing we can all do is use the communicate with samsung page to ask as many good serious non-trolling questions as possible to try to impress upon Samsung what we think is important.

Yeah sorry about the wrong link. edited OP

We should all go in there and reassure the Captivate owners that Samsung isn't that bad since we are getting Froyo on Monday.
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It's not about froyo... It's about the bs PR stunt they are pulling and the possible loss of XDA credibility!
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jcabibi said:
It's not about froyo... It's about the bs PR stunt they are pulling and the possible loss of XDA credibility!
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Oh, well thats just stupid then. You need to wait and see what SamsungJohn brings with "phase 2" and beyond. Then pass judgement. I dont like how he went about what he is doing and I have voiced that fairly well, but to call it a bs PR stunt is probably premature. And what credibility is XDA going to lose even if this is a PR stunt? Developers are going to stop using XDA because they got hoodwinked? Not likely.

muyoso said:
We should all go in there and reassure the Captivate owners that Samsung isn't that bad since we are getting Froyo on Monday.
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I've been curious about the timing of all this. Is Sprint trying to save face because they've been the hold up? Or is Samsung trying to steal Sprint's thunder on xda? Or is it simply a coincidence?

DiGi760 said:
I've been curious about the timing of all this. Is Sprint trying to save face because they've been the hold up? Or is Samsung trying to steal Sprint's thunder on xda? Or is it simply a coincidence?
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Its a coincidence. 90% of Epic4g owners on Sprint probably dont even know what Froyo is or care if its released at all. There is no reason for Sprint or Samsung to feel pressure now more than any other time to release Froyo.

But they do feel the pressure... XDArs may only be 2% of consumers, but we are the ones that family and friends come to for advice. Our voice carries a lot further than one would think!
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muyoso said:
Its a coincidence. 90% of Epic4g owners on Sprint probably dont even know what Froyo is or care if its released at all. There is no reason for Sprint or Samsung to feel pressure now more than any other time to release Froyo.
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Lets not forget, t-mo users at xda forced their froyo update with threat of class action lawsuit...
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muyoso said:
Its a coincidence. 90% of Epic4g owners on Sprint probably dont even know what Froyo is or care if its released at all. There is no reason for Sprint or Samsung to feel pressure now more than any other time to release Froyo.
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You're right. I just told my wife she might get an update next week called FroYo and she said what's that I'm not gonna lose my contacts am I. LOL
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muyoso said:
We should all go in there and reassure the Captivate owners that Samsung isn't that bad since we are getting Froyo on Monday.
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Dont jinx it!!!!!! Im pretty sure its happening from what we see... but im not COMPLETELY relaxing until its in our hands.
As far as John, hopefully his phase 2, or whatever the big thing is, is giving the Devs access to stuff no other OEM would do.... THAT would be impressive John... drivers, etc???
Even if there was legitimate software issues that really took this long to resolve, once its out, couldn't they post what they went thru, that could save face if SOMEHOW it actually took this long.... as long as that holdup wasnt anti-root security... that would be pretty silly... anything can be reverse engineered... ask the HDCP consortium....
Free USB>HDMI cables? Free TVs? Discount of SGS2, with the promise of releasing with the cutting edge software, and timely updates after that???
ok... im done... for now

ungovernable1977 said:
Dont jinx it!!!!!! Im pretty sure its happening from what we see... but im not COMPLETELY relaxing until its in our hands.
As far as John, hopefully his phase 2, or whatever the big thing is, is giving the Devs access to stuff no other OEM would do.... THAT would be impressive John... drivers, etc???
Even if there was legitimate software issues that really took this long to resolve, once its out, couldn't they post what they went thru, that could save face if SOMEHOW it actually took this long.... as long as that holdup wasnt anti-root security... that would be pretty silly... anything can be reverse engineered... ask the HDCP consortium....
Free USB>HDMI cables? Free TVs? Discount of SGS2, with the promise of releasing with the cutting edge software, and timely updates after that???
ok... im done... for now
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I doubt very highly that they'd offer us free anything, except maybe a kick in the behind. Also, discounts on sgs2 just doesn't seem very likely either. I'm just hoping for transparency regarding source code and MAYBE drivers, but not holding my breath.
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muyoso said:
We should all go in there and reassure the Captivate owners that Samsung isn't that bad since we are getting Froyo on Monday.
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Don't hold your breath! The Captivate crowd had Froyo released today only to have it pulled about an hour later.
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ungovernable1977 said:
Dont jinx it!!!!!! Im pretty sure its happening from what we see... but im not COMPLETELY relaxing until its in our hands.
As far as John, hopefully his phase 2, or whatever the big thing is, is giving the Devs access to stuff no other OEM would do.... THAT would be impressive John... drivers, etc???
Even if there was legitimate software issues that really took this long to resolve, once its out, couldn't they post what they went thru, that could save face if SOMEHOW it actually took this long.... as long as that holdup wasnt anti-root security... that would be pretty silly... anything can be reverse engineered... ask the HDCP consortium....
Free USB>HDMI cables? Free TVs? Discount of SGS2, with the promise of releasing with the cutting edge software, and timely updates after that???
ok... im done... for now
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I like you. You think EXACTLY like I do!!!

aleph23 said:
Lets not forget, t-mo users at xda forced their froyo update with threat of class action lawsuit...
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I seriously doubt that had anything to do with it. Just taking a logical guess, I'd wager the more likely scenario is that T-Mo's GS phone had less proprietary carrier 'issues' such as TouchWiz on our side to have to work the kinks out & 'play nice' with. I'm relatively newer with Sprint from that angle, but in my AT&T history I know all too well how they like to cater things to how they want them and/or limit them.

Closed thread encouraging flaming and a duplicate of many other threads.

Cyanogenmod 7.1 -- I'm a sad panda

So I bought the Nexus the day it came out to get away from the Epic. My sister and mother though are still using the Epic and I was looking to help them out and load Cyanogen on it since they JUST released 7.1
I can't help but notice that the Epic is the only US SGS phone that isn't supported. The Captivate, Vibrant, Fascinate and International SGS all have it. They really got their hopes up too after seeing it on my Nexus.
I'm sorry for you guys, after having the Epic for almost a year I understand how awesome the community was. I ran MIDnight and ACS 2.1 and 2.2 roms for a while and loved them. I'm really sad to see that there isn't a true AOSP rom yet.
I had been away so long though that I'm not sure where the CM7 development left off on the Epic. Any news on what's holding you guys back?

CM7 for the Epic:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1299621

Really? I was hoping someone would make a big ass thank you thread for the devs. But there's this
sent from my cm7-ified epic

ugothakd said:
Really? I was hoping someone would make a big ass thank you thread for the devs. But there's this
sent from my cm7-ified epic
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The OP is a perfect example of ignorance or trolling...

Quick someone pm deca and let him know he is wasting his time. Give it up with the cm7 complaints already.
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chrisott9628 said:
The OP is a perfect example of ignorance or trolling...
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Given that the OP has 375 posts on XDA to your 2, chances are he/she is not a troll (the jury is very much out on you though). Yes, there are many threads as to why there isn't CM7 for our phones, the point still stands that CM7 is stuck in 1st gear (Alpha build) due to the fact that there is no source code released for Epic due to no official GB. The culprits remain the same: Samsung and Sprint. The devs literally had nothing to work with, so the fact that there is even a working Alpha build is nothing short of a miracle.

CM7 is not stuck in alpha in any way. In fact, it's mostly completed. The current release is labelled as an alpha, but it's coming along very well, and is stable.

k0nane said:
CM7 is not stuck in alpha in any way. In fact, it's mostly completed. The current release is labelled as an alpha, but it's coming along very well, and is stable.
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Nice seeing you back in the forums konane.

snowmanwithahat said:
I had been away so long though that I'm not sure where the CM7 development left off on the Epic. Any news on what's holding you guys back?
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Check the Developers section. It tends to have info on development.

Our "Alpha Build" is CM 7.1 the latest to come out. It's a daily driver and we're completely up to date.
Sent from my Epic 4G

dohturdima said:
Given that the OP has 375 posts on XDA to your 2, chances are he/she is not a troll (the jury is very much out on you though). Yes, there are many threads as to why there isn't CM7 for our phones, the point still stands that CM7 is stuck in 1st gear (Alpha build) due to the fact that there is no source code released for Epic due to no official GB. The culprits remain the same: Samsung and Sprint. The devs literally had nothing to work with, so the fact that there is even a working Alpha build is nothing short of a miracle.
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I apologize for the "troll" remark. I wasn't really being serious about it... I was just surprised that we are seeing a thread like this the day after we get an almost fully functional build of CM7.

I really can't wait for a full build of CM7. This will hold me over until Sprint gets the Nexus Prime or whatever they are gonna call it.
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k0nane said:
CM7 is not stuck in alpha in any way. In fact, it's mostly completed. The current release is labelled as an alpha, but it's coming along very well, and is stable.
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True, I did not have it right as it is nearly fully functional and not an alpha build that it was months ago.
From CM7 wiki:
"The current buglist:
Overlay for Video Recording
Video playback for certain encoders
Wimax
Other than those (relatively) minor bugs, this rom is nearing a somewhat completion."
Would love to give CM7 a ride, but will wait a bit longer for hopefully a stable GB modem without random reboots and working WiMax (which I still use on occasion).
chrisott9628 said:
I apologize for the "troll" remark. I wasn't really being serious about it... I was just surprised that we are seeing a thread like this the day after we get an almost fully functional build of CM7.
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No problem, it's just there is too much animosity here at times.

chrisott9628 said:
I apologize for the "troll" remark. I wasn't really being serious about it... I was just surprised that we are seeing a thread like this the day after we get an almost fully functional build of CM7.
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O man! I can't wait! Too bad I found this while at work, otherwise I would be switching ROMs as we speak!

Hmmm OP never returned?
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I did read that the Epic is on the list to get finished. I hope everyone here gets to nightly status soon...
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Guys, hang in there..you're almost there. This is ever so close as well..
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JohnCorleone said:
I did read that the Epic is on the list to get finished. I hope everyone here gets to nightly status soon...
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Where did you read that? Oh btw what are "nightlies" lol
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ac16313 said:
Where did you read that? Oh btw what are "nightlies" lol
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They are when new features are being added, the put them out as nightlies, so people can test them. If its stable, it gets integrated into the stable cm.
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A little goodbye to the NS community...

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I would like to start out by saying thank you to all of the wonderful devs that motivated me to start devving, and to all of the users who kept me going.
I don't want this to be a long goodbye, as most users don't really care. I just figured I should explain my leaving instead of just disappearing.
So, I have almost obtained an Epic 4G Touch, as most ns4g users have started doing. It will be shipped tomorrow, and development for it will start the minute I get it unboxed. My Nexus S 4G will happily sit on the table in my room, prolly collecting dust
I want to continue providing ports and such for the nexus s and nexus s 4g, but development from me will continue to decline and may eventually stop. I have a few unfinished projects that I would like to get somewhat close to working ( sense 4.0, touchwiz ), and hand over to the other devs. I have a few updates to my roms that have been sitting on my laptop for months, which I want to release. I have an update for just about every port I had done. I plan on updating sense 4.0 until it is usable. Other than that, I'm outta here.
I made tons of friends over here, and also made a few enemies..... but in the 5 months I had developed for this phone I had the best experiences ever. Thank you to all the devs that helped me out with my stupid questions (Lithid, fergie) and also thanks to all of the users that kept me motivated when things seemed down... I hope to keep in touch with you guys. If you have my gtalk just hit me up with any questions or even just to chit chat, im a nice guy This community was awesome, I hope to one day see you all on another device, maybe this years nexus?
Anyway, farewell Nexus S.

Duuuuude.... I just flashed that 4.0.4 stock ROM with your tweaks and it's so smooth. Now I hear this..... :'(
Well good luck in your future with the 4g touch
Thank you for your work I wish you would stay Btw that mod makes 4.0.4 so much smoother!

swamp goblin said:
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I would like to start out by saying thank you to all of the wonderful devs that motivated me to start devving, and to all of the users who kept me going.
I don't want this to be a long goodbye, as most users don't really care. I just figured I should explain my leaving instead of just disappearing.
So, I have almost obtained an Epic 4G Touch, as most ns4g users have started doing. It will be shipped tomorrow, and development for it will start the minute I get it unboxed. My Nexus S 4G will happily sit on the table in my room, prolly collecting dust
I want to continue providing ports and such for the nexus s and nexus s 4g, but development from me will continue to decline and may eventually stop. I have a few unfinished projects that I would like to get somewhat close to working ( sense 4.0, touchwiz ), and hand over to the other devs. I have a few updates to my roms that have been sitting on my laptop for months, which I want to release. I have an update for just about every port I had done. I plan on updating sense 4.0 until it is usable. Other than that, I'm outta here.
I made tons of friends over here, and also made a few enemies..... but in the 5 months I had developed for this phone I had the best experiences ever. Thank you to all the devs that helped me out with my stupid questions (Lithid, fergie) and also thanks to all of the users that kept me motivated when things seemed down... I hope to keep in touch with you guys. If you have my gtalk just hit me up with any questions or even just to chit chat, im a nice guy This community was awesome, I hope to one day see you all on another device, maybe this years nexus?
Anyway, farewell Nexus S.
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Please tell me this is an April Fools Day joke...

stellar said:
Duuuuude.... I just flashed that 4.0.4 stock ROM with your tweaks and it's so smooth. Now I hear this..... :'(
Well good luck in your future with the 4g touch
Thank you for your work I wish you would stay Btw that mod makes 4.0.4 so much smoother!
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Hahah I had a 4.0.4 rom I made last week with all those mods, I almost released it. not bragging, it was by far the smoothest I have ever run, and I'm pretty sure those mods were a big part of it. glad you like it

good luck w/ the et4g brotha
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For our sakes (NS owners) I hope it's a joke, I've tried probably all your ports and love seeng what you'll try to port next.
For yours, I hope its not haha. The e4gt is an awesome phone.
Thanks for all the hard work you've done.
And for the flashable zip you made yesterday.
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swamp goblin said:
Hahah I had a 4.0.4 rom I made last week with all those mods, I almost released it. not bragging, it was by far the smoothest I have ever run, and I'm pretty sure those mods were a big part of it. glad you like it
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It definitely is the smoothest I've tried, if it had a trebuchet type of launcher like codenames to utilize the join with apps feature it would just be melted butter!

Sorry to see ya leave the ns4g . Your moving to the phone my wife has so guess I'll see ya there . Thanks for all your roms and ports swamp.
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Good luck! I loved taking over evoblur! Keep in touch with us all!

I'm so hoping that this is a April fools joke!
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Swamp you leaving a development phone to develop for a carrier phone? Good luck with that .... Anyways been a pleasure connecting with you on these forums, Android is universal so just cause you going to the et4g keep in touch! Btw seek Maddoggin and Scott Brissenden (sbrissen) on the et4g forums both are my boys and willing to offer help.
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April fools day joke?
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dreamsforgotten said:
Swamp you leaving a development phone to develop for a carrier phone? Good luck with that .... Anyways been a pleasure connecting with you on these forums, Android is universal so just cause you going to the et4g keep in touch! Btw seek Maddoggin and Scott Brissenden (sbrissen) on the et4g forums both are my boys and willing to offer help.
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Yeah, things are definitely going to be different, the nexus was so easy to mess with, and we always had what we needed for roms and mods... first few weeks on e4gt will be interesting, I am preparing myself for a brick hahaha..
I'll be popping into this forum from time to time for sure, I couldn't just leave.. and I have heard about sbrissen all over the forums, I see his name somewhere on just about every device haha, i'll get in contact
I think its hilarious that I posted this on april fools day.. there might be something fishy about it, but nobody knows for sure...........

swamp goblin said:
Yeah, things are definitely going to be different, the nexus was so easy to mess with, and we always had what we needed for roms and mods... first few weeks on e4gt will be interesting, I am preparing myself for a brick hahaha..
I'll be popping into this forum from time to time for sure, I couldn't just leave.. and I have heard about sbrissen all over the forums, I see his name somewhere on just about every device haha, i'll get in contact
I think its hilarious that I posted this on april fools day.. there might be something fishy about it, but nobody knows for sure...........
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Maddoggin bricked two already ask him there is a fail safe method when something in cwm goes ape ****, sbrissen bricked one already lmao.
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dreamsforgotten said:
Maddoggin bricked two already ask him there is a fail safe method when something in cwm goes ape ****, sbrissen bricked one already lmao.
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Almost every e4gt dev I have talked to so far has had at least one brick.. I will most likely be joining that group haha. I need to find out every mistake they made, I have never bricked a phone and don't want to find out what its like.
A few days ago, I tried odin'ing a e4gt rom to my nexus out of boredom, with my own custom pit file.. I was expecting some kind of brick with the radio or something, but nothing. This phone is insanely durable. I will miss it

Hope to see those releases sOon ...gonna miss the almost impossible ports...
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I still have my Nexus S and I'm still in the forum helping those who need it =P
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swamp goblin said:
Almost every e4gt dev I have talked to so far has had at least one brick.. I will most likely be joining that group haha. I need to find out every mistake they made, I have never bricked a phone and don't want to find out what its like.
A few days ago, I tried odin'ing a e4gt rom to my nexus out of boredom, with my own custom pit file.. I was expecting some kind of brick with the radio or something, but nothing. This phone is insanely durable. I will miss it
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Why didn't you just wait for the HTC Evo 4G LTE?

The Batman said:
Why didn't you just wait for the HTC Evo 4G LTE?
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My upgrade isn't until the end of september.. And i've had my share of htc phones, I'm waiting it out and hoping that the sg3 lands perfectly for my upgrade
Haha just looking around, I realized that the nexus s truly is an aosp phone.. not one of my ports is being taken up or looked at ohh well, i liked them

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My upgrade isn't until the end of september.. And i've had my share of htc phones, I'm waiting it out and hoping that the sg3 lands perfectly for my upgrade
Haha just looking around, I realized that the nexus s truly is an aosp phone.. not one of my ports is being taken up or looked at ohh well, i liked them
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If I had a clue on how to maintain your ports, I would definitely attempt to keep them in a great working order.
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How come EVERY OTHER GS1 DEVICE gets CM10 nightlies while we don't!? Duh.

EDIT: Yesterday I got dumped seeing all that and can't really control all my temper. After comforts from mods and helpful members around below I'm feeling much better without it. Yes, live on even if E4G is EOL in devs' hand.
Shut this thread if any mods will.

Why are you shouting? Chillax. Yes, the EpicMTD team of CM has to port all the drivers that made CM9 work then plug them into the nightly machine so it incorporates the nightly changes and recompiles for our phone. And yes the Epic team also are working on 5 other devices at the same time. All this while still trying to work, support their family, spend the last few days of summer with their family, prepare for college starting...trivial things like that.
Patience grasshopper..
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kennyglass123 said:
Why are you shouting? Chillax. Yes, the EpicMTD team of CM has to port all the drivers that made CM9 work then plug them into the nightly machine so it incorporates the nightly changes and recompiles for our phone. And yes the Epic team also are working on 5 other devices at the same time. All this while still trying to work, support their family, spend the last few days of summer with their family, prepare for college starting...trivial things like that.
Patience grasshopper..
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I think he was asking why are they last to always get served . If i were you i would learn to port stuff to your device so you don't have to wait. Idk how hard it is on your phone but on the gs3 it's not hard. I know people have lives and stuff but waiting weeks seem like months so i would YouTube or Google how to port roms.
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Epic 4g is always the last because files need to be converted differently from all the rest. Because the keyboard and ICS and JB weren't meant to be on it.
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Yes, the EpicMTD team of CM has to port all the drivers that made CM9 work then plug them into the nightly machine so it incorporates the nightly changes and recompiles for our phone.
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When the Epic was picked up a an "official" device, I thought that mean that the "base drivers" had reached a point where they were "universal" for Android versions.
Do base things like , radio, kb, wifi, modem, etc.. need reworked for EACH version of android.
Is it these files missing from the "base" CM10 files that go to all CM10 phone builds, that need recoded each android version?
Or is there some other aspect I missed. Is it all a kernel issue, with the CM UI being set across all devices?
This Epic post brought to you via Tapatalk 2 and CM9

We had jellybean super soon after it came out... granted, nothing worked, but it booted... now we have an almost fully functioning cm10 kang... what more do you want really... do you just want to flash everyday? If that's the case maybe you should learn to dev yourself and quit trolling this forum with that "development is dead over here"... it has multiple roms, on multiple builds... if your that bored, go dig up some ec05 roms and happy flashing... what made you think development was still gonna be flying on a 2 year old device that wasn't even supposed to get ics?

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Anyway I was just too disappointed to see this again, when CM9's just out, every GS1 variant except Epic has nightly hosted officially. Epic's was online months later when it's already RC... Then today I checked up get.cm and WTF, even device like SU640 gets a CM10 nightly... And Vibrant, Captivate, GS1 i9000... NOT our E4G again.
ALL BECAUSE OF THE EXTRA KEYBOARD WE HAVE?! OR BECAUSE NOT SO MUCH PEOPLE LIKES LEGACY SPRINT PHONES (jumped to toroplus maybe)?
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Dude CHILL the F**K out! How long have you had this phone? If you have had it as long as most of us then you would know we are the last GS variant to get anything CM. It took a long time for 7 but after many months of very hard work from Team EPICMTD that finally went stable 2 weeks before 9 and 9 started MONTHS after 7. Also don't forget this phone is NOT suppose to be running ICS never mind JB so be thankful for what you get and enjoy the fact that Team EPICMTD is well truly EPIC!!!
Just my 2 cents!

Kid, if you don't like the way things are being done, then do them yourself. You can make as many builds as you want. You're always b****ing about what other people aren't doing, how we don't update enough for you. Having development for your device is a privilege not a right, and the lives of the developers always takes priority over their hobbies (Android development).
You are not entitled to anything. We are lucky the CM Team even shares their builds and sources with us.

This is a very pointless thread.
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Let's be fair to this guy - yes, there are things he isn't understanding yet, but remember that English isn't his primary language - he's from China. And I may be mistaken, but it seems like he is not using a translation service like Google or Babelfish - he's trying to work in a language that is completely foreign to him. He is not another Looneyrat
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Let's be fair to this guy - yes, there are things he isn't understanding yet, but remember that English isn't his primary language - he's from China. And I may be mistaken, but it seems like he is not using a translation service like Google or Babelfish - he's trying to work in a language that is completely foreign to him. He is not another Looneyrat
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Read this guy's threads. Of the 2 I've seen, both have been complaining about lack of updates and lack of development, which under no circumstances is an issue our epic has.
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xboxfanj said:
Read this guy's threads. Of the 2 I've seen, both have been complaining about lack of updates and lack of development, which under no circumstances is an issue our epic has.
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This ^^^^
Styles gets a free thanks... but while you are right, he has done nothing but complain about lack of development... language barrier or not, that's all he has done....

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This ^^^^
Styles gets a free thanks... but while you are right, he has done nothing but complain about lack of development... language barrier or not, that's all he has done....
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Agreed, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but this has gotten out of hand. Out of context, what I said may sound rude, but this has gotten out of hand.
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This ^^^^
Styles gets a free thanks... but while you are right, he has done nothing but complain about lack of development... language barrier or not, that's all he has done....
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I can't argue with you there. My point is that both language and cultural differences are at play - it is possible that his questions might not seem so *****y if spoken in Chinese, to Chinese people. The same couldn't be said for Looneyrat, for whom we have no doubt that the offense was very much intentional.
Basically I'm saying that there's no harm in giving him another day to try and correct any communication issues. If he still doesn't calm down and change his tune, he'll get the cold shoulder (and ban, possibly) he'll deserve - after this thread derailed into a lengthy discussion about his offensive attitude, he'd be a fool to continue in the same manner, regardless of the cause
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I'm just surprised Sheriff "Padlock" Glass hasn't ridden up on his trusty steed and shut this here saloon down...
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When the Epic was picked up a an "official" device, I thought that mean that the "base drivers" had reached a point where they were "universal" for Android versions.
Do base things like , radio, kb, wifi, modem, etc.. need reworked for EACH version of android.
Is it these files missing from the "base" CM10 files that go to all CM10 phone builds, that need recoded each android version?
Or is there some other aspect I missed. Is it all a kernel issue, with the CM UI being set across all devices?
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Our radio blobs have remained the same since gb. There have been some things our devs needed to do on ics and jb to fix keyboard rotation, lights, and software keyboard. Modem, no, since the cm team has no control over modems (minus nexus modems). Wifi has changed a few times, from epic drivers, to galaxy s, to nexus s. Gpu drivers have changed since we have the nexus s ones to upgrade to, so the cm team upgrades to theirs. Another thing is that some things have changed considerably, like libhwcomposer, and hardware acceleration, so the cm team had to pull from nexus s and make some modifications.
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I expect to see replies like this 'cuz really I know why but am just so angry again so I need a letting-off in the General section... Anyway thanks for kenny, x and others' kind replies, I feel much better now. If I'm not so busy at schoolwork this moment I would try porting sth from other devices and I'm sure to let you all know it.
I'm relieved... And if any mod think the mission of the thread is over just close/delete it at your will.

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I can't argue with you there. My point is that both language and cultural differences are at play - it is possible that his questions might not seem so *****y if spoken in Chinese, to Chinese people. The same couldn't be said for Looneyrat, for whom we have no doubt that the offense was very much intentional.
Basically I'm saying that there's no harm in giving him another day to try and correct any communication issues. If he still doesn't calm down and change his tune, he'll get the cold shoulder (and ban, possibly) he'll deserve - after this thread derailed into a lengthy discussion about his offensive attitude, he'd be a fool to continue in the same manner, regardless of the cause
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Not tryin' to be *****y I am. That's simply my baffle of the day so I just couldn't help letting it out and I feel sorry when I saw AGAIN (x's got the point, I've set up a similar thread weeks ago) xboxfanj and others telling me how much dev they've been putting themselves into. Maybe compared to them I am still too spare and n00bish to do anything serious.
Just close the thread. I've been comforted by all you misters and I know if I want more things to try I'd:
1) Try sth I haven't before (MIUI)
2) Make sth no one has made before (now attempting to port CM7 to N900)
3) Save up for a new phone
and...
4) Just study and after a year when I graduate from senior high the place will be filled with all kinds of neverseen ROMs and unread threads XD
And after all working with English IS painful, you know it.

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Not tryin' to be *****y I am. That's simply my baffle of the day so I just couldn't help letting it out and I feel sorry when I saw AGAIN (x's got the point, I've set up a similar thread weeks ago) xboxfanj and others telling me how much dev they've been putting themselves into. Maybe compared to them I am still too spare and n00bish to do anything serious.
Just close the thread. I've been comforted by all you misters and I know if I want more things to try I'd:
1) Try sth I haven't before (MIUI)
2) Make sth no one has made before (now attempting to port CM7 to N900)
3) Save up for a new phone
and...
4) Just study and after a year when I graduate from senior high the place will be filled with all kinds of neverseen ROMs and unread threads XD
And after all working with English IS painful, you know it.
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I'm sorry if what I said was offensive or if I took it too far, but I do encourage you to do something about it if you don't like it. I started "developing" when I was disappointed by the lack of a stable MIUI, so I googled, found some guides, pestered some devs in GTalk and IRC, and I learned to port it and got some stable releases out. I'm always happy to help anyone that is willing to learn. If anyone would like any help on porting or developing, PM me and I would love to assist you.
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I just can't believe the support the majority give to the Google monkeys

Ok, maybe i was one of only a little number of people that had major problems with 4.2 and ill almost accept that. I can't get over how many of you passionately stick up for an obviously screwed up update! Is everyone brainwashed? like the apple whackos that think having to upgrade their phone every few months is cool. Face it it sucks! Admit it and stop defending Google.
So your telling me that all the app developers are supposed to change thier apps to work with every whim that the monkeys see fit? Shouldn't Google make these updates with respect that the apps work with their update? There are many apps out there and only a few different versions of Android, so why should all these app developers have to jump through hoops to make thier already good working apps work with every damn android update?
I bought into that belief when I bought my Nexus 7 with jellybean and was like ok this is new technology, I must be patient and they will fix all the apps that are not compatible, guess what there are still a lot that are not compatible and a lot that had to be side loaded to even install. Well seeing the sheep saying again that its the app developers fault that they wont run is complete lunacy. Wake up sheep Google is the problem!
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Ok, maybe i was one of only a little number of people that had major problems with 4.2 and ill almost accept that. I can't get over how many of you passionately stick up for an obviously screwed up update! Is everyone brainwashed? like the apple whackos that think having to upgrade their phone every few months is cool. Face it it sucks! Admit it and stop defending Google.
So your telling me that all the app developers are supposed to change thier apps to work with every whim that the monkeys see fit? Shouldn't Google make these updates with respect that the apps work with their update? There are many apps out there and only a few different versions of Android, so why should all these app developers have to jump through hoops to make thier already good working apps work with every damn android update?
I bought into that belief when I bought my Nexus 7 with jellybean and was like ok this is new technology, I must be patient and they will fix all the apps that are not compatible, guess what there are still a lot that are not compatible and a lot that had to be side loaded to even install. Well seeing the sheep saying again that its the app developers fault that they wont run is complete lunacy. Wake up sheep Google is the problem!
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Did you just call me a sheep because I love Google and this is the only mistake in an update I have ever witnessed them make?
Im really confused.
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4.2 is a great update.
Also JB itself is a dramatic change.
Apps are designed to work within the OS. When the OS changes, apps need to change. In order to be fresh, Google changes things. Not everyone will like the changes.
If you get mad at change, try a different manufacturer. Maybe Samsung or Toshiba. They do not update as frequently. They are also not what Google considers pure.
You clearly don't like Googles vision, as such, you should not own Googles tablet.
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wpghtc said:
4.2 is a great update.
Also JB itself is a dramatic change.
Apps are designed to work within the OS. When the OS changes, apps need to change. In order to be fresh, Google changes things. Not everyone will like the changes.
If you get mad at change, try a different manufacturer. Maybe Samsung or Toshiba. They do not update as frequently. They are also not what Google considers pure.
You clearly don't like Googles vision, as such, you should not own Googles tablet.
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+1

Here comes the hatercycle gang! Lets keep this nice
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wpghtc said:
4.2 is a great update.
Also JB itself is a dramatic change.
Apps are designed to work within the OS. When the OS changes, apps need to change. In order to be fresh, Google changes things. Not everyone will like the changes.
If you get mad at change, try a different manufacturer. Maybe Samsung or Toshiba. They do not update as frequently. They are also not what Google considers pure.
You clearly don't like Googles vision, as such, you should not own Googles tablet.
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I agree to an extent but not for every little update, a major update where they really change things sure but not every update they do that should have been done in the first release, like the landscape mode to name one.
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You really need to stop making threads. You don't realize that you are posting in an PRO ANDROID forum. How do you think the response to your anti android posts are going to be received?
If you have nothing nice (or sensible) to say, don't say anything...
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Pandemonium2k4 said:
Here comes the hatercycle gang! Lets keep this nice
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It's a little hypocritical to ask people to be nice after using terms like "sheep" and "monkeys" don't you think?

Pandemonium2k4 said:
I agree to an extent but not for every little update, a major update where they really change things sure but not every update they do that should have been done in the first release, like the landscape mode to name one.
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4.2 is a major update...
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It's a little hypocritical to ask people to be nice after using terms like "sheep" and "monkeys" don't you think?
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Your not a monkey unless you work for Google lol
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kilometers4 said:
You really need to stop making threads. You don't realize that you are posting in an PRO ANDROID forum. How do you think the response to your anti android posts are going to be received?
If you have nothing nice (or sensible) to say, don't say anything...
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I like Google and Android, but im getting tired of the nonsense that I have to do to fix what wasnt broken.
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I like Google and Android, but im getting tired of the nonsense that I have to do to fix what wasnt broken.
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Then wait until people review it. Nobody forced you to update and we definitely do not want you to create these threads complaining about it. Just go back to 4.1.2 and stop complaining
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kilometers4 said:
Then wait until people review it. Nobody forced you to update and we definitely do not want you to create these threads complaining about it. Just go back to 4.1.2 and stop complaining
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Oh my god, thank you. Someone needed to say it.
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Pandemonium2k4 said:
There are many apps out there and only a few different versions of Android, so why should all these app developers have to jump through hoops to make thier already good working apps work with every damn android update?
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That's almost like saying why should Windows software developer makes their XP-approved product to work with Windows 7, and now, Windows 8.
If you don't get how silly that sounds, you're clearly not a developer and you can ignore my post.
Just my 3c.
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R3dbeaver said:
That's almost like saying why should Windows software developer makes their XP-approved product to work with Windows 7, and now, Windows 8.
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You are responding to someone with a Thanks ratio of .02. I am not sure logic is appropriate in this case.

Pandemonium2k4 said:
Ok, maybe i was one of only a little number of people that had major problems with 4.2 and ill almost accept that. I can't get over how many of you passionately stick up for an obviously screwed up update! Is everyone brainwashed? like the apple whackos that think having to upgrade their phone every few months is cool. Face it it sucks! Admit it and stop defending Google.
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You should sell your N7 and never get another Android device.
I updated to 4.2 prepared for downgrading back to 4.1.2 if I don't like it but it happened that I actually DO like it - a lot.
Not because people like you call me names, but because of the new and enhanced features.
And of course there is bugs - especially with multiuser - as it's a completely new feature and those need ironing out, but they will be ironed out.
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So your telling me that all the app developers are supposed to change thier apps to work with every whim that the monkeys see fit?
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No.
It's the dev's own fault when their apps don't work.
Apps developed by following the guidelines and maybe even the best-practises WORK!
Only if you're a sloppy dev and you don't follow the guidelinesy our app may/will break, because it didn't propperly work fromt he very beginning you just got way unnoticed with it.
Best example it using a hardcoded "/sdcard" instead of the global property available pointing to the correct path.
And Google even took account for this - and numerous other - situation, so even you coded sloppy things still work (mostly, but there's limits to that as well).
Pandemonium2k4 said:
Shouldn't Google make these updates with respect that the apps work with their update?
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See above, your argument there is completely null and void.

I'm so miffed that some of the games and programs that I used under Windows 95 don't work under 7. Dammit, an operating system should be fully backwards compatible and it's wholly unreasonable to expect software developers to have to update for the changes.
Seriously, persuasive argument does not seem to be your forte. We all get it... you don't like 4.2. That's your opinion and, for whatever it's worth, that's okay. Others like it or just feel lukewarm about it. Their opinions are no less valid than your own.
Are you so insecure in your opinion that you feel it's actually bolstered by ad hominem? Rather than bolstering it, they significantly cheapen it. That being said,it's ironic that you mentioned fanbois, because rabid tirades discounting others as being "sheep" for having an opinion that differs from your own is textbook behavior.
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This troll is bad. He's not even remotely amusing.
Disappointed.

kilometers4 said:
Then wait until people review it. Nobody forced you to update and we definitely do not want you to create these threads complaining about it. Just go back to 4.1.2 and stop complaining
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I did read the reviews, and they must have all been done by the Google fan club, because they were all oh its great. This will be my last thread complaining, until their next flop, uh i mean update.
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Close this thread, its useless lol I only want people that agree with me to reply from now on! I just wanted to say my feelings on this and I did, I'm done, this thread is going nowhere, I'm out numbered by Google employees lol.
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