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Hey guys,
today i saw that the S3 for germany will not support LTE.... i really dont get it.. why the hell is samsung doing this ? its completly nonsense... On every other location they will ship a LTE version.. Of course Germany does not have a complete support for LTE, but it is growing very fast.
It really sucks to have many different types of the S3 like the Samsung Galaxy S, Vibrant, Bell and so on.... Does someone know if they are only 2 different types or more ?
They cant be serious, and of course, the want for the S3 with LTE around 600€ and without the same price....
I really hope, that they think again about this decision and ship every S3 with, wether the country supports LTE or not...
What do you guys think about that ?
I won't miss it as much as many will becoz LTE isn't really supported here in Germany as in e.g. the USA...
(Dafür müsste ich zu Vodafone oder so mit Knebelvertrag )
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Hmm you are right mate. But the problem is that many devs come from London, USA and other countrys where LTE is supported so they get other device and our device won't support the roms they develop.. that will be horrible :/
I think as long as there aren't more phones with LTE, providers won't support it more..
I am from austria and also a bit upset that there won't be an LTE version because at least in vienna LTE is already growing.
saphirrot said:
Hmm you are right mate. But the problem is that many devs come from London, USA and other countrys where LTE is supported so they get other device and our device won't support the roms they develop.. that will be horrible :/
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No, we will get the same international device. We won't just be able to use LTE because it's set to the wrong frequecies and cannot be changed as far as I know.
Same with the iPad 3.
Does LTE really have speeds and the data plans to make it worth it over HSPA+? I mean I download hella fast on Three over here in the UK and it has Unlimited data. I've never thought the internet on the phone was too slow, it's faster than my mates broadband and I can stream BBC iPlayer desktop site and Netflix just fine.
I could just imagine coverage being crap as it's just been adopted and if your companies are like what they are here in the UK they'll give you 500mb which you'll hit the limit within 5 mins.
No, we will get the same international device. We won't just be able to use LTE because it's set to the wrong frequecies and cannot be changed as far as I know.
Same with the iPad 3.
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So, that mean that we get the 100% same phone with same hardware and with LTE support for America and other countrys ?
saphirrot said:
So, that mean that we get the 100% same phone with same hardware and with LTE support for America and other countrys ?
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No.
We will get the version that was demoed a week ago with the quad-core exynos, that version will not support "4G", and not only because of frequency bands but because the "4G"(3G-LTE) being rolled out in Europe is not "true" 4G like in the US.
The US version will probably get the Snapdragon S4 as that is currently the best SoC out there that has 4G-LTE built-in, unless Samsung actually has a Exynos SoC with 4G-LTE.
But if they start rolling out 4G-LTE in Europe then frequency bands may also be an issue.
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So, that mean that we get the 100% same phone with same hardware and with LTE support for America and other countrys ?
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Yes and no.
The so called 4G (LTE) in Europe is nothing more than HSPA+ and it's basically only an enhanced version of 3G. Most people are calling it 3.5G+ but it's capable of delivering "true" 4G lte speed. America's providers Sprint/Verizon/AT&T are providing the real 4G technology which the S3 won't be able to achieve due to different frequencies. But from what I know T-Mobile and AT&T are also providing HSPA+ speed as some providers in Europe.
That's completely nonsense that Germany won't get the international version which does indeed supports HSPA+. But the other question would be if your provider do offer it.
http://samsung-galaxy-s3.net/rumors/galaxy-s3-will-have-4g-lte-support-in-europe
LTE SGS3 which will be released this summer in america will feature a completely different chipset because exynos is not capable for these frequencies.
FISKER_Q said:
No.
We will get the version that was demoed a week ago with the quad-core exynos, that version will not support "4G", and not only because of frequency bands but because the "4G"(3G-LTE) being rolled out in Europe is not "true" 4G like in the US.
The US version will probably get the Snapdragon S4 as that is currently the best SoC out there that has 4G-LTE built-in, unless Samsung actually has a Exynos SoC with 4G-LTE.
But if they start rolling out 4G-LTE in Europe then frequency bands may also be an issue.
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m8tix said:
Yes and no.
The so called 4G (LTE) in Europe is nothing more than HSPA+ and it's basically only an enhanced version of 3G. Most people are calling it 3.5G+ but it's capable of delivering "true" 4G lte speed. America's providers Sprint/Verizon/AT&T are providing the real 4G technology which the S3 won't be able to achieve due to different frequencies. But from what I know T-Mobile and AT&T are also providing HSPA+ speed as some providers in Europe.
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Why are people still spreading this nonsense, i.e. that there is no "true" LTE in Europe?
Germany does have "true" LTE, the same as is used in the U.S. (but on different bands). Deutsche Telekom is offering up to 100 Mbit/s in their tariffs.
And the network isn't as small as some people make it out to be (and fast growing):
t-mobile.de/funkversorgung/inland/
vodafone.de/privat/hilfe-support/netzabdeckung.html
(I can't post links yet, you have to copy&paste them)
It's true that they offer 42 Mbit/s HSPA+ - but they also have LTE on top of that.
m8tix said:
Yes and no.
The so called 4G (LTE) in Europe is nothing more than HSPA+ and it's basically only an enhanced version of 3G. Most people are calling it 3.5G+ but it's capable of delivering "true" 4G lte speed. America's providers Sprint/Verizon/AT&T are providing the real 4G technology which the S3 won't be able to achieve due to different frequencies. But from what I know T-Mobile and AT&T are also providing HSPA+ speed as some providers in Europe.
That's completely nonsense that Germany won't get the international version which does indeed supports HSPA+. But the other question would be if your provider do offer it.
http://samsung-galaxy-s3.net/rumors/galaxy-s3-will-have-4g-lte-support-in-europe
LTE SGS3 which will be released this summer in america will feature a completely different chipset because exynos is not capable for these frequencies.
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It's funny you say "true" 4g speeds, no network on this planet offers "true" 4g speeds.
No American carrier even gets upto a tenth of what true 4g is.
The LTE out now is 3.9G and carriers don't even offer that fully.
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It's funny you say "true" 4g speeds, no network on this planet offers "true" 4g speeds.
No American carrier even gets upto a tenth of what true 4g is.
The LTE out now is 3.9G and carriers don't even offer that fully.
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this is directed more at the OP than anything, but I own both versions of the phone and have access to LTE networks that regularly get 40-50 mb/s down. In day to day use yes it's faster, but when I use the s4 stateside version browsing the internet literally chunks my battery down by 20 percent points over 20-30 minutes. Streaming video is even more of a joke you might get 2 hours before the phone dies. the HSPA speeds are more than enough for me and I get more than double the battery life just by not using LTE networks. Hope this helps, you shouldn't feel like you're getting ripped off both versions of the phone are good, but I prefer the international version as well as most of the community would agree.
News has it that both Deutsche Telekom and Vodafone will be offering the Galaxy S3 LTE starting mid-october. It will have a quad-core, like the UMTS version.
heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Samsungs-Galaxy-S3-LTE-kommt-nach-Deutschland-1675044.html
Same in the UK man... While LTE will be rolled out this and next year, I've already bought my S3, so I don't have the correct chip... which kinda annoys me! But even if I had the South Korean or US version, the frequencies are different. Sadly, there are no definitive standards for this stuff, so each country, and even each network just pics whatever works for them. Kinda sux!
To add insult to injury though, I can't even get DC-HSPA! Every network in the UK are doing it EXCEPT Vodafone. Not sure why, but they won't do it. My S3 supports it and all, but Voda are being annoying.
Ahh well, in another 2 years I'll have a 4G phone I guess
The German and the Korean Version might be the same, if I'm not mistaken, since Germany needs 800/1800/2600 and Korea 800/1800. From what I've heard the UK will start off with re-farmed 1800 and later add 800/2600, so they would likely be compatible. Not entirely sure.
seeafish said:
Same in the UK man... While LTE will be rolled out this and next year, I've already bought my S3, so I don't have the correct chip... which kinda annoys me! But even if I had the South Korean or US version, the frequencies are different. Sadly, there are no definitive standards for this stuff, so each country, and even each network just pics whatever works for them. Kinda sux!
To add insult to injury though, I can't even get DC-HSPA! Every network in the UK are doing it EXCEPT Vodafone. Not sure why, but they won't do it. My S3 supports it and all, but Voda are being annoying.
Ahh well, in another 2 years I'll have a 4G phone I guess
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On the Samsung UK website, for the S3, it lists the data speed spec as HSPA+21 , which is not DC-HSPA. Does that mean there needs to be a radio update or something before these speeds can be used, or Samsung's website is wrong....?
I understand that they crippled the s3 because of issues with lte compatibility. (even though the korean version has quad exynos and lte)
However, I was under the impression samsung had worked this all out with exynos in the note 2. Also didn't either three or ee or whatever it was in the uk say they would have lte on the galaxy s iv, but only the us variant gets snapdragon? This makes absolutely no sense to me. Samsung is alienating a rather large market.
Now don't get me wrong, i am under no circumstance saying the snapdragon 600 is a bad processor, i think its really great. The gpu is really good too. However, When i think samsung, I think of exynos as its staple, built in-house samsung optimized processor. Also, i think we can all safely assume that the octa will be more powerful do to it being a real a15 quadcore (with the a7 power savers) and not just having a15 like characteristics. Furthermore the sgx 544 has been shown to be a more powerful gpu than the 320 other than not have open gl es 3.0. So i'm confused here. Is there something I'm missing? Am i the only one thinking this?
ps. Anyone hear anything about the exynos 5 quad? Why not use that?
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......LTE......
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did you bother to read what i wrote? plus http://www.phonearena.com/news/International-Samsung-Galaxy-S-4-visits-the-FCC_id40875
I'm not sure about the LTE specs, if the exynos 5 octa supports it or not but what i know is this: The snapdragon 600 will be PLENTY. It is a very very powerful processor. The only reason i'm going for the exynos 5 octa version is because it is the international version and it is the one that would get all the dev support, more roms and faster updates. But as far as performance goes? They will be identical. Nobody is crippled here
Most likely supply issues those 8 cores don't make themselves then again the lte issue could have sprung up again because this isn't a traditional processor
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samdsox said:
did you bother to read what i wrote? plus http://www.phonearena.com/news/International-Samsung-Galaxy-S-4-visits-the-FCC_id40875
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Yeah, I read what you wrote. I would assume it is in fact a limitation of LTE. Maybe they don't have a version of their current gen chip that is compatible with LTE bands used in the US.
You think Samsung wants to buy SoC from another vender?
I am a noob and a lil confused on this so bare with me please. I am dying to get this phone I live in NYC and have verizon. I take from this that the international version will not work on 4g LTE? AM I better off getting the snap dragon version(US)?
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I am a noob and a lil confused on this so bare with me please. I am dying to get this phone I live in NYC and have verizon. I take from this that the international version will not work on 4g LTE? AM I better off getting the snap dragon version(US)?
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The international one won't even work on verizon (it takes a sim card and is gsm. Verizon is a cdma network that just uses your esn)
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The international one won't even work on verizon (it takes a sim card and is gsm. Verizon is a cdma network that just uses your esn)
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Will it be able be used on anyother us network ex:att , tmobile.
Are you sure it will get dev support? I thought cyanogenmod quit developing for the international s 3 because Samsung wouldn't release some code for the exynos on the s 3 international version.
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Will it be able be used on anyother us network ex:att , tmobile.
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Any gsm network...att, tmobile..etc
Any cdma carrier will not work with international phones...Verizon, sprint...etc
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When i got my Droid 4G from Verizon, i got a card in it. Was this a SIM card? I thought that is what she said it was. From what i just read here, i shouldn't need the card for Verizon.
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did you bother to read what i wrote? plus http://www.phonearena.com/news/International-Samsung-Galaxy-S-4-visits-the-FCC_id40875
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It says in that article that the international one has LTE Band 5.
Look at the list of band frequencies : http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/cellulartelecomms/lte-long-term-evolution/lte-frequency-spectrum.php
This is the European band (around 800-850mhz).
If you look here :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
It shows that alot of europe uses LTE 800, and alot of japan uses LTE 850. This is even further confirmed by the fact that Italy is confirmed to get the OCTA version, and 2/3 of their major networks use 800mhz LTE.
However, I have reason to doubt this article. It says the T-mobile version uses Band 15. Band 15 is 1900MHz. T-mobile LTE uses AWS (1700/2100, AWS band). It makes way more sense to assume that the Snapdragon version contains AWS LTE band 4 (this would cover all of Canada and most of the US)
Hope this helps clear a few things up.
TLDR ; Exynos HAS LTE, but only the European band
Warrimonk said:
It says in that article that the international one has LTE Band 5.
Look at the list of band frequencies : http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/cellulartelecomms/lte-long-term-evolution/lte-frequency-spectrum.php
This is the European band (around 800-850mhz).
If you look here :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
It shows that alot of europe uses LTE 800, and alot of japan uses LTE 850. This is even further confirmed by the fact that Italy is confirmed to get the OCTA version, and 2/3 of their major networks use 800mhz LTE.
However, I have reason to doubt this article. It says the T-mobile version uses Band 15. Band 15 is 1900MHz. T-mobile LTE uses AWS (1700/2100, AWS band). It makes way more sense to assume that the Snapdragon version contains AWS LTE band 4 (this would cover all of Canada and most of the US)
Hope this helps clear a few things up.
TLDR ; Exynos HAS LTE, but only the European band
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thanks that makes alot more sense. It's just too bad samsung didn't use a seperate modem or plan for that in advance.
Just remember that the snapdragon will be a plus for development. As many developers have sworn off the exynos chip
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Just remember that the snapdragon will be a plus for development. As many developers have sworn off the exynos chip
Wayne Tech S-III
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Yeah, that's the one thing the us version has going for it. Not sure but i thought i saw a post from one of those developers that they would not develop for either though...hoping it was just that one.
Snapdragon 600:
Four Krait 300 cores
Adreno 320 graphics
Exynos 5 Octa:
Cortex-A15
Cortex-A7 CPUs w/
PowerVR SGX544MP3 graphics
Any T-Mobile folks thinking about ordering the International instead of the TM release?
Hmmm....decisions decisions....
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When i got my Droid 4G from Verizon, i got a card in it. Was this a SIM card? I thought that is what she said it was. From what i just read here, i shouldn't need the card for Verizon.
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That card is to access verizons LTE networks ....its not a sim like att/tmobile
Will people quit posting worthless threads about the processor already!? The snapdragon is going to be better in reality because it clocks faster and wastes much less battery combined with lte. Plus, developers hate exynos and won't develope for it.
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barondebxl said:
I'm not sure about the LTE specs, if the exynos 5 octa supports it or not but what i know is this: The snapdragon 600 will be PLENTY. It is a very very powerful processor. The only reason i'm going for the exynos 5 octa version is because it is the international version and it is the one that would get all the dev support, more roms and faster updates. But as far as performance goes? They will be identical. Nobody is crippled here
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I would assume the us version would get more support from developers such as CM since samsung won't release the codes of the exynos based processors, hence not being able to run it up to its full potential. So with the S600 that shouldn't be the case. No?
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I am pretty sure there were other topics like that, but I've also done my research and yet something still troubles me. From what I understand this is what the two version of S4 breaks down to...But I could be wrong.
I9500:
Exynos 5, Octa-core (Technically 4+4cores)
Supposedly no LTE support
Available in few countries
Supposedly the "international" version?
Technically the faster one
I9505:
Snapdragon, Quad core.
Advertised as LTE version.
Available is more countries
More importantly, available in North America. (I live in Canada)
However, from time to time as I am researching this; Some people will say that the Exynos chip is also LTE compatible, although I'm pretty sure I've read otherwise as well. So which is it?
Also, I'm by no means an expert in wireless technology, so can someone kindly break it down to me that what will I be missing out if I were to get the i9500 instead of the i9505? Currently I have the i9500 on pre-order, but it should be painless for me to cancel it as well. However, if I were to wait for the i9505, I'm not sure when carriers over here will get it, and it'll be locked. (That said, I do know it is easy to unlock). I also travel to HongKong and Japan on occasion, so I would need my phone to work in those two places as well.
I would be very appreciative if someone could answer my questions and concerns, thank you.
Like you said 9500 will feature exynos octa, it doesn't have lte.
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i was walking around yongsan in seoul and i ended up buying a new s4 for something around 700$, is it too much? i don't know but what worries me now it's if i can use this thing in europe. Do i?
even just a software update needs a local sim card, now i'm sure that i can't have back my money but at least i can try to switch between the different version sold here in korea: SHV-E300S, SHV-E300K, SHV-E300L (actually i have the one named SHV-E300S)
wich one do you suggest is the most appropriate to use in europe or canada?
Good news/bad news. The good news is that you might be able to sell it for more than you paid for it.
The bad news is the bands on the SKT version you bought aren't compatible with the U.S. carriers. Although you'll get HSPA+ data on T-Mobile in markets they refarmed. I think the Korean carriers use different bands so I don't know if flashing another ROM on it will allow those bands to be exposed. It won't if they are h/w specific.
Here's what you bought.
http://www.samsung.com/sec/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/skt/SHV-E300SDS3SC-spec
Seems too pricy. My friend bought a second hand in yongsan for 520k won.
It is 32GB internal memory.
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Good news/bad news. The good news is that you might be able to sell it for more than you paid for it.
The bad news is the bands on the SKT version you bought aren't compatible with the U.S. carriers. Although you'll get HSPA+ data on T-Mobile in markets they refarmed. I think the Korean carriers use different bands so I don't know if flashing another ROM on it will allow those bands to be exposed. It won't if they are h/w specific.
Here's what you bought.
http://www.samsung.com/sec/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/skt/SHV-E300SDS3SC-spec
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Well in fact, your good news is a bad news and your bad news could be changed to a good new.
The guy you mentionned on ebay still sell the octa core lte for 1180 dollars, which is totally crazy. He doesn't realize that the octa core one's processor is totally broken and doesn't work properly as Samsung expected and that the price of the octa core has dropped a lot in the past month. You just need to know how to search on ebay and which seller to choose. With 70 feedback, I highly doubt that the crazy guy you mentionned is trustable. Here is what you can get for only 829 dollars now.
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/NEW-UNLOCKED...ell_Phones&hash=item4ac555263f#ht_3024wt_1393
This guy doesn't know that the new Snapdragon 800 LTE Advanced galaxy S4 will be available very very soon at the end of this month. You should know that the Snapdragon 800 scored 35000 points in Antutu benchmark and 21000 in quadrant(against Exynos 5410 27000 in antutu and 12000 in quadrant). So the Exynos 5410 one will cost nothing. I just hope that you can sell yours for 700$,
Concerning the LTE bands problem, a lot of E300 buyers have mentionned that they successfully found some hidden option in the phone, and managed to switch the band to the US band thanks to some application that I forgot the name. Just search in the general E300 owner section.
I'm wonderin when the LTE version will be available? I'm here in Asia and this is the only tablet worth buying for me right now for college purposes. (and other stuff)
I imagine we will not get word about those till at least Oct 10th.
I would be interested to know the release date for the LTE model as well...no announcements out there at all.
According to this article, there's been no mention of support for US LTE bands. Engadget doesn't always have the most accurate Android info, though.
engadget.com/2013/09/04/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-2014-edition-hands-on/
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Didn't notice the Asia bit in the OP, woops.
Will the LTE version also have wifi ?
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Will the LTE version also have wifi ?
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Yes, of course
shall i be concerned about UNLOCK feature with the 3G model of the new note 10.1
or it wont matter. since mostly i will get it from abroad
3G here was supporting older model of note 10.1 well
I saw the 32 GB Black at my local BestBuy but I'm not going to buy it until I know about the LTE one.
If the price is the same, and it should be if I buy it outright/unlocked, no contract, I get extra connectivity (LTE, just swap in the SIM from my phone whenever) and a SnapDragon processor which is more likely to get root and custom ROMS, why wouldn't I pick it up.
I also want to see if any custom ROM development happens on the WIFI Exynos version... but I don't see it.
Too many questions up in the air for me to pull the trigger... but I am certain I want the 10.1 2014.
Any comments? Am I batty to be concerned by these issues?
-Lox
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I saw the 32 GB Black at my local BestBuy but I'm not going to buy it until I know about the LTE one.
If the price is the same, and it should be if I buy it outright/unlocked, no contract, I get extra connectivity (LTE, just swap in the SIM from my phone whenever) and a SnapDragon processor which is more likely to get root and custom ROMS, why wouldn't I pick it up.
I also want to see if any custom ROM development happens on the WIFI Exynos version... but I don't see it.
Too many questions up in the air for me to pull the trigger... but I am certain I want the 10.1 2014.
Any comments? Am I batty to be concerned by these issues?
-Lox
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The price won't be the same.. be logic.. And samsung already released the codes for the exynos 5420 and this very encouraging you know.. Developpers now can create custom roms and stuff.. I think that a lot of people will have the wifi version (simply because we can tether connection from ou mobiles) and therefor there will be custom roms, root and more stuff created for the exynos version
Educate me on the reasons why the cellphone carriers will price unlocked LTE higher than the wifi version?
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The price won't be the same.. be logic.. And samsung already released the codes for the exynos 5420 and this very encouraging you know.. Developpers now can create custom roms and stuff.. I think that a lot of people will have the wifi version (simply because we can tether connection from ou mobiles) and therefor there will be custom roms, root and more stuff created for the exynos version
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Educate me on the reasons why the cellphone carriers will price unlocked LTE higher than the wifi version?
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you can simply go and compar with other tablets: you'll see that the 3G or 4G version costs always more than a wifi only version. This goes for samsung or apple..
And the prices for the 4g version have already been released in some countries in europe and the 16gb wifi only version costs 550 euros and the 4G+wifi 16gb version costs 670 euros.. So you can expect that there will be a price diference also in the US between both models
Just pre-ordered mine and got the answer it would be delivered November 15th...
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Just pre-ordered mine and got the answer it would be delivered November 15th...
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Where you pre-ordered ?
Iluhan said:
Where you pre-ordered ?
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A Danish site called proshop.
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I wonder why there's no info on US LTE yet
@CalInTheZone:
What is the difference in price between the comparable WIFI and LTE tablets?
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jinda628 said:
I wonder why there's no info on US LTE yet
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I found LTE unlocked model With snapdragon for 800$ on popular electronics webpage based in Chicago Tax free and free shipping .
another one that has it is Overseas electronics company but they charge more than 900$
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@CalInTheZone:
What is the difference in price between the comparable WIFI and LTE tablets?
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WiFi: 4700,- DKR and 4G: 5500,- DKR
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WiFi: 4700,- DKR and 4G: 5500,- DKR
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So... ~15% more. That may be worth it for LTE and having a Snapdragon processor that dev's will write ROMs for.
Still no ROMs for the Exynos.
Note3 is Snap Dragon.
All the 10.1 2014 WIFI tablets are going to get left out in the cold... I'm afraid.
-Lox
I'm interested in the LTE model for the Snapdragon 800. Seems to have better GPU performance so that translates to a better user experience. Note 12.2 with Snapdragon 800 would be perfect.