Hey guys, I was wondering how much used memory RAM there is on the Google Edition 4.3 rom compared to the stock Touchwiz 4.3 on the s4 i9505?
On my stock Touchwiz 4.3 but de-bloated from all the Samsung junk, I have 580-620mb RAM being used, after having NOVA launcher loaded.
Any inputs are highly appreciated! Thanks
Are you thinking along the lines of used ram being a bad thing? Personally I wouldn't get too hung up on it as unused ram is not worth having in my eye's. It is there to be used is it not?
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crash_194 said:
Are you thinking along the lines of used ram being a bad thing? Personally I wouldn't get too hung up on it as unused ram is not worth having in my eye's. It is there to be used is it not?
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I just want to know about the ram. I don't care whether it's filled up later on, I am interested in whatever version has more freed up ram. More free ram = more open apps. And if Touchwiz is fully bloated, no point of having it using extra ram just for the sake of it.
I would like to add that I believe that the more free ram the more speed and smoothness. Even u have 500 mb free, 1 gb of free ram will sure make my phone faster and less hungury for battery
Ofcourse this is based on my personal experiences and lets not forget its always user dependant
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off course stock google have more free ram over touchwiz
stock is around 500mb
touchwizz, well, depends on every user, but should be around 800-1200mb
With some apps running and many widgets in my launcher I got "only" 0.97GB free of RAM using AOSP by Jamal. Hope this helps .
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Free ram is wasted ram
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Free ram is wasted ram
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Thinking in a way it is, but thinking that I have almost 1Gig free RAM without running any app means that I can use it better later. If you consider free RAM during an app process than it's really wasted, but when you're running nothing means that you can use it later. Please, when posting things like this be more clear with what you mean with your words. If you have only 100MB free RAM I'm sure when running an app it would be sluggish and not really usable.
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Thinking in a way it is, but thinking that I have almost 1Gig free RAM without running any app means that I can use it better later. If you consider free RAM during an app process than it's really wasted, but when you're running nothing means that you can use it later. Please, when posting things like this be more clear with what you mean with your words. If you have only 100MB free RAM I'm sure when running an app it would be sluggish and not really usable.
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Sorry If I did not elaborate my comment.
But yes, the reason why we all want more RAM is to be able to have more things open at a time. My point was more like, we should not measure performance by the amount of empty RAM as it is meant to be used.
Of course if you have an app that needs 500mb to run, and only 100mb available; but android is smart enough to make room for that process by closing others that have not been used in a while.
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Sorry If I did not elaborate my comment.
But yes, the reason why we all want more RAM is to be able to have more things open at a time. My point was more like, we should not measure performance by the amount of empty RAM as it is meant to be used.
Of course if you have an app that needs 500mb to run, and only 100mb available; but android is smart enough to make room for that process by closing others that have not been used in a while.
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Indeed, I understood what you meant and I agree with you too! However I just called you out to this point, as some people can misunderstand your comment ^^. Sorry if I was rude in any means BTW.
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Indeed, I understood what you meant and I agree with you too! However I just called you out to this point, as some people can misunderstand your comment ^^. Sorry if I was rude in any means BTW.
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Sure no hard feelings hehe
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i read all your stuff
but the problem with android is there is no pagefile (virtual ram)
android goes to force close apps when low ram, it is not smart as you say, force closes important apps, not system ones like play store, google+, google now, music player
instead it closes whassap, or the app you are running like a game or chrome with a heavy website, lol, even google earth can use all the ram and the phone restarts, even making a soft reboot (going default settings)
i prefer my google edition ndroid pure, with removed crap google apps (news, music, etc)
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i read all your stuff
but the problem with android is there is no pagefile (virtual ram)
android goes to force close apps when low ram, it is not smart as you say, force closes important apps, not system ones like play store, google+, google now, music player
instead it closes whassap, or the app you are running like a game or chrome with a heavy website, lol, even google earth can use all the ram and the phone restarts, even making a soft reboot (going default settings)
i prefer my google edition ndroid pure, with removed crap google apps (news, music, etc)
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Well according to my experience, the Low memory killer (in charge of closing app and releasing ram) get rid of the least used apps, in example, if you open youtube, maps, chrome, a game, and then the notes app. Its gonna close the first opened, in this case youtube. Yes it closes important apps. But at least makes sure is not the one you just used.
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So guys after a lot of days testing and after i have installed some Apps and using heavy multitasking i must say this GS III has limits on heavy usage.
The reason is the limit of RAM.. yes 1 GB still is not good as we could think..if you are going to install big apps and big games.
I have found this using the web browser with some flashplayer videos without using full screen just the window.. after few minutes the video has stopped playing just listen to the audio..and the gsIII start becoming hot ..sometimes it even crashed and came back to homescreen realoading widget and so on...and i'm not using TouchWiz Natur UX (heavy launcher on usage of RAM) but the lighter and faster Nova Launcher.. i will post some screens and info to warn of this problem i found on GS III
Those are apps installed
http://db.tt/wrR9sd0d
http://db.tt/6L8Zjyeo
http://db.tt/k2kHAjir
http://db.tt/HNuRt2bO
http://db.tt/5BPRbDLT
Active APPS and APP SD storage
http://db.tt/eTLUiCWQ
http://db.tt/wTCoE3Um
http://db.tt/qsua6mNp
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Wait, you mentioned installed big games or apps posing a problem for 1gig o ram but then you switch topics to flash videos in the browser? Are these heavy apps running in the background as well at the same time?
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Wait, you mentioned installed big games or apps posing a problem for 1gig o ram but then you switch topics to flash videos in the browser? Are these heavy apps running in the background as well at the same time?
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Same experience here. Flash vids freezing, black screen, briwsing quiting to home screen, music player quiting in background, longerwebpages not loading fully and the dreaded homescreen restarts. The experience comes up short compared to last years sgs2 and note on gingerbread.
It sounds more like Flash player is the problem or possibly the browser. Try another browser.
Well that doesn't sound promising. Seems like the phone works wonderful at first, but degrades quickly
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It sounds more like Flash player is the problem or possibly the browser. Try another browser.
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Not flashplayer but the RAM
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I've seen others post they're getting out of memory probs. Good thing our us ver will have 2 gigs sounds like it will be needed.
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You guys just figure this out now? No offence intended but only 1GB of ram was obvious to me that this issue was going to occur. Of the 1GB 1/3 is taken for the system and an almost another 1/3 by the video card your then left with barley over a 3rd for yourself. Come June 20th ill be very happy to get the 2GB NA model. Like I said no offence but I saw this coming.
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My gnex has 1gb ram its more then enough.
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My gnex has 1gb ram its more then enough.
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Make screens like i did before to see if you are in the same conditions or not... Apps and active apps+sd app storage
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Not flashplayer but the RAM
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Mate, no offence, i'm not expert with android or any other developer stuffs but i will certainly disagree about pointing out the RAM to be the problem.
I have both SGS2 and SGS3 and as of the moment i can confidently say that when it comes to multi-tasking, my SGS2 performs better than the latter. How did i come up to it?
-->In my SGS2, I can simultaneously run my GPS on, run Sygic Navigation, play music using Poweamp, while watching Avatar HD(2GB) using the Stick it Pop up video player by MBFG, and then leave all running in background and even watch video using the Floating browser without having any problem, not to mention the live wallpaper i'm using and all the widgets running as well. And take note, both SGS2 and SGS3 have the same amount of RAM.
Right now, I'm also quite disappointed with my S3 as it locks up every now and then with just a simple usage.
My theory or say, just a guess is that, it is related with the Kernel or worst, the ROM itself. Let's just wait for the hard-working devs here to find a workaround for this matter.
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Mate, no offence, i'm not expert with android or any other developer stuffs but i will certainly disagree about pointing out the RAM to be the problem.
I have both SGS2 and SGS3 and as of the moment i can confidently say that when it comes to multi-tasking, my SGS2 performs better than the latter. How did i come up to it?
-->In my SGS2, I can simultaneously run my GPS on, run Sygic Navigation, play music using Poweamp, while watching Avatar HD(2GB) using the Stick it Pop up video player by MBFG, and then leave all running in background and even watch video using the Floating browser without having any problem, not to mention the live wallpaper i'm using and all the widgets running as well. And take note, both SGS2 and SGS3 have the same amount of RAM.
Right now, I'm also quite disappointed with my S3 as it locks up every now and then with just a simple usage.
My theory or say, just a guess is that, it is related with the Kernel or worst, the ROM itself. Let's just wait for the hard-working devs here to find a workaround for this matter.
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I think most android devices now a days have the first adopters as true beta testers. Even the mighty iphone had its share of problems.
I'm sure an update will be on the horizon.
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Your only making a fuss about it because the variant had 2gigs of ram. ICS handles all your process and kills task automatically.
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My gnex has 1gb ram its more then enough.
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Right, but how much does your gnex stock google OS use vs the GS3? You probably have a ton more free ram out of the box than the GS3 does...i guess we know why they put 2 gigs into the new (north america/japan) ones...
Also, does using a different launcher get rid of all that memory? I would think twiz is still running somewhere, just not the launcher itself, so it's still eating up ram... so once you flash a CM/AOKP, they should have this figured out...
I personally don't play much beyond angry birds / words w friends and that type of stuff, so I don't see this being an issue for me, esp with 2 gigs, but I feel your frustration, that would piss me off, spending that kinda money and having those issues.
Well US version was not even an option for many of us in USA. I wanted unlimited data and that's possible on international version only. And I have no issues with ram. Everything works perfectly smoothly for me.
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Right, but how much does your gnex stock google OS use vs the GS3? You probably have a ton more free ram out of the box than the GS3 does...i guess we know why they put 2 gigs into the new (north america/japan) ones...
Also, does using a different launcher get rid of all that memory? I would think twiz is still running somewhere, just not the launcher itself, so it's still eating up ram... so once you flash a CM/AOKP, they should have this figured out...
I personally don't play much beyond angry birds / words w friends and that type of stuff, so I don't see this being an issue for me, esp with 2 gigs, but I feel your frustration, that would piss me off, spending that kinda money and having those issues.
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The gnex is using a different soc so it's not going to be the same as the SGS3.
Honestly, we are early adopters and I'm sure Samsung is having most of us be to real beta testers so they can report bugs and fix them.
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The gnex is using a different soc so it's not going to be the same as the SGS3.
Honestly, we are early adopters and I'm sure Samsung is having most of us be to real beta testers so they can report bugs and fix them.
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Right, I'm sure it'll get worked out, might take a bit of time, but should be worth it in the end
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Right, I'm sure it'll get worked out, might take a bit of time, but should be worth it in the end
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Deleted oops wrong thread.
The only reason Samsung added 2gigs of ram was to separate the competition also using the same dual-cores(one-x) . This also is used for marketing and final purchasing decisions for noobs.
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Once ur device is Rooted, install system tuner pro, and disable some of the apps u have installed from play store, disable them from boot up, and use Ram booster pro when ever Ram get Full...
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Thank you for this.
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Hi,
But why do you want more free RAM? What's the point to having more free RAM?
With Android it is useless... You are happy with 500 Mb free RAM? Well, and about the multitasking?
You think your SIII will be faster, smoother or anything else with more free RAM? This is just the opposite
These kind of threads are....
More free RAM helps me with all my multitasking, I personally use my S3 like a computer, so I would need lots of free RAM
PS. I have over 150 apps from the market installed, before this tweak I only had like 100mb of RAM free now I got like 380mb
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More free RAM helps me with all my multitasking, I personally use my S3 like a computer, so I would need lots of free RAM
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Seriously you were just in the thread that discussed why more free RAM IS NOT BETTER. stop spreading ridiculous threads of misinformation please and thanks.
How can free Ram not be better??
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How can free Ram not be better??
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Google "how RAM management works in android"
If u do alot multitasking u should not have much free ram becuz all the apps running in backround. If u close backround apps to free some ram that means u just kill the ongoing multitasking ur phone is doing and next time u go back to ur previous app it has to be started again so it actually slowsdown ur phone when ur system actually needs more ram it kills the apps by it self... so no need for that much free ram :/
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But before, I used a Turbo downloader and every time I left the app and came back the download had failed, nw none of the apps are doing this any more...
This is just my way of being more efficient... If it doesn't work 4 u then that's fine, but it is awesome 4 me
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Re,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=904023
http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
And there are a bunch of others like these...
This is the placebo effect, you see more free RAM (oooh a high number !!!) and you think it is better so you feel it's better.
Sometimes higher is not better...
Free RAM on android systems is wasted ram.
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shaneel1491 said:
More free RAM helps me with all my multitasking, I personally use my S3 like a computer, so I would need lots of free RAM
PS. I have over 150 apps from the market installed, before this tweak I only had like 100mb of RAM free now I got like 380mb
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Ok, and...?
Android doesn't work like your computer (with Windows I presume) it's the opposite
You "would need lots of free RAM", it's for you not that the system needs
You have 150 apps with 100 mb of free RAM and now 380 mb of free RAM with you "tip", other than number of free RAM you see in System Tuner, What has changed???
Just the apps you use regularly/often are killed and when you open them they put so much time after like a reboot because they are not kept in memory...
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Re,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=904023
http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
And there are a bunch of others like these...
This is the placebo effect, you see more free RAM (oooh a high number !!!) and you think it is better so you feel it's better.
Sometimes higher is not better...
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Thank you for posting such intelligent responses, I thought XDA was starting to become all idiots :highfive:
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Thank you for posting such intelligent responses, I thought XDA was starting to become all idiots :highfive:
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Ya, he rescued me from the mouth breathers that were trying to argue with me about CPU temp.
Xda is at risk of being overrun by idiots.
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Ya, he rescued me from the mouth breathers that were trying to argue with me about CPU temp.
Xda is at risk of being overrun by idiots.
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Hi,
Ah ah ah I agree with you LOL!
I remember the thread about the CPU temp... , yes here it's the same...
A thread about RAM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1802932 and there are others in this style
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Ya, he rescued me from the mouth breathers that were trying to argue with me about CPU temp.
Xda is at risk of being overrun by idiots.
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There is a reason this was said "Never argue with an idiot; he will bring you down to his level and win from experience". Precisely what might have happened to you the other day
LET ANDROID MANAGE HER MEMORY
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There is a reason this was said "Never argue with an idiot; he will bring you down to his level and win from experience". Precisely what might have happened to you the other day
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I love a good quote!
Its so true though.
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When browsing the web and playing games on the S3 you'll often find a crash. This is because the device has low memory. Deleting apps that use this resource will help by not wasting the memory ie the RAM.
I think its fair to say that the S3 demonstrates that low ram is a reality. I wish people would stop trying to defend the phone by saying low RAM is wasted. Get over it. It is real. The S3 cannot multitask like the S2 because the ROM is packed full of ****e running which is using up the RAM.
Thanks to the OP for posting this.
and aside from what many people have said on how memory works in android,
take a look at settings > application manager > running > then click the bottom "show cached processes"
for those who like to use 3rd party memory managers they will included these cached processes in killing.
they may kill unnecessary processes but along with it those apps that you always use.
now after killing those cached processes, you will see the system caching a new list of apps and many of them are not the ones you use.
thus memory managers/task killers are just spending cpu cycles in turn battery power killing tasks/apps that you always use and when the system detects the free memory it will load apps into cache and usually those apps aren't the one you use.
thus kills the purpose of those task killers/memory managers of freeing memory since the system will just load apps into memory and cache them.
When I was running stock, I was using about high 300-400MB.
After unlocked, rooted & installed AOKP with Nova launcher + Franco kernal, I'm at high 500-600MB, even with all the tasks killed.
Just wondering if this is normal?
Unlike a computer, android using a high amount of memory is a good thing.
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Unused RAM is wasted RAM ...
Android is freeing the memory as soon as it needs it for more important tasks, so it's OK to see almost all RAM occupied.
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Unused RAM is wasted RAM ...
Android is freeing the memory as soon as it needs it for more important tasks, so it's OK to see almost all RAM occupied.
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Thanks for sharing. Helps alot. Do we need to clear recent apps too? Am always on 450mb-520mb of RAM and 4xxmb of free RAM in my Nexus 7...
About 50% with 92 apps installed
100% of RAM is always in use. Save for processor cache, it's the fastest storage media in the device.
Pages not mapped into process VM address space or reserved by the kernel are used for file cache.
Because read-only shared libraries can be mapped into many processes, and the entire dalvik engine is supported by hundreds of shared native libraries, having them pre-loaded into at least one process address space decreases new app loading time. Additionally, it makes computing a "memory used" statistic a little bit odd. (See for example the definition of "PSS" used by the procrank utility).
Which brings up a germane question for all participants in this thread: what are you using to report the so-called "memory used" value?
I'll bet it's not something from /proc/meminfo ...
Is anyone else experiencing high ram usage on their s4? I'm down to only about 450 mb of free memory. I barely have anything running, too.
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"Free ram is wasted ram" this is android not windows...you dont need to worry about low ram, amdroid handles ram difderntly than computers...and more efficiently. If the ram ever becomes too loaded to function smoothly android os will automatically clear the least ysed applications freeing up some ram.
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What's the best way to free the ram?
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Mohamed Khaled Mk said:
What's the best way to free the ram?
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Under settings, application manager...one of the tabs allows you to clear apps from ram
However there is no benefits on doing this...in fact only disadvantages. Clearing apps will jot improve overall device speed, it will however require those apps that were cleared to take longer to reopen as they are no longer stored in the ram.
If a specific app is slow or not running as it usually does than it may be wise to force stop it under settings application manager
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Facebook beta 3.6 is giving me a low memory error sporadically.
Alright, I gotchu. Thanks, I'm new to this whole android, rooting, and flashing business haha
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Hello,
I just got my T-Mobile G2 a couple of days ago. I don't have a lot of experience yet but I'm curious if this is the normal RAM usage vs availability. If so do you have any problems running high end games, apps, etc? I am presently on 4.4.2. I have used Titanium Backup to freeze a lot of system apps. This just seems like it could be an issue. I also use Greenify to hibernate some apps as well. Any thoughts on this?
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I would love to get an expert answer on this. I recently changed it PAC Man Rom and now it appears I have even less available memory. I'm not noticing any lag or anything but it just bugs me. I added up everything cached and running and it totalled like 364mb not even half a gig of ram. This phone has 2GB of ram. So I dunno just seems weird to me. I guess as long as it's not all laggy then that's what matters.
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Yes that's normal use I usually have around 300-400 mb ram and another note that everyone makes unused ram is useless ram
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XxZombiePikachu said:
Yes that's normal use I usually have around 300-400 mb ram and another note that everyone makes unused ram is useless ram
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What good is the RAM if you don't use it?
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Yes that's normal use I usually have around 300-400 mb ram and another note that everyone makes unused ram is useless ram
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I guess my confusion is what happens if I've got 400 mb of ram and I go to play GTA San Andreas... Lol. Will it pull it off? Guess I'll just have to wait and see.
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XxZombiePikachu said:
Yes that's normal use I usually have around 300-400 mb ram and another note that everyone makes unused ram is useless ram
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Yeah, the more RAM used the better. I'm using PA3.99RC2 with a kernel (I forget where I got it; just says d800 custom 5 cm) that doesn't use enough RAM. I always have 700-800MB free. I don't know what sysctl changes I can make to increase RAM use. I hope my phone isn't using a swap on its slow mobile phone NAND .
You can use Greenify which now doesn't require root. You can disable apps/system apps running on background that you don't use.
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You can use Greenify which now doesn't require root. You can disable apps/system apps running on background that you don't use.
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I have Greenify. But nevertheless I played Riptide GP2 earlier with full graphics. Smooth as butter. Good enough for me. :thumbup:
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