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Jellybean, disappointed with project butter. anyone else?

I have been loading most of the patchwork JB Roms that have been popping up here. I like some things about it, like Google Now, but I cant seem to understand "project butter." I cannot tell any real difference in smooth-ness. It still seems pretty laggy on my NS4G. I am hoping this is because either I have been using a newer device as my daily driver, or just that these Roms are hacked from other releases.
Does anyone else feel this way? What are your experiences with devices like the nexus 7 that were designed with JellyBean? smoother? same?

Nope I can see the difference its faster & smoother than ICS open app draw opens fast in ICS it took a little longer jellybean is the best OS update from Google so far 2 big thumbs up & I'm getting the same or a little better battery life than I was on ICS
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I can definitely see a huge difference it terms of smoothness. You should probably delete some apps you don't need or do a factory wipe.
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I mirror your experience, however am still hopeful that when Sprint releases the actual files, things will be better. I haven't experienced JB on any of the newer devices, but the reports are good. Life is all about expectations ... guess we should be thankful that we're even receiving the updates.

Killasmoke said:
Nope I can see the difference its faster & smoother than ICS open app draw opens fast in ICS it took a little longer jellybean is the best OS update from Google so far 2 big thumbs up & I'm getting the same or a little better battery life than I was on ICS
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FYI---it is VERY hard to understand you without any punctuation.

You still should keep in mind that we're on a 2 year old device... yeah yeah the original Nexus S came out in Dec 2010... not quite 2 years, but it's based off of tech that debuted in the original Galaxy S in the summer of that year. It's great hardware, but it's expected that we'll have a tough time dealing with newer OS' ... quite frankly I've considered going back to a stripped down CM7 just because of the smoothness compared to ICS (and JB) ... we're just running into serious RAM limitations on this device.

Piaband said:
I have been loading most of the patchwork JB Roms that have been popping up here. I like some things about it, like Google Now, but I cant seem to understand "project butter." I cannot tell any real difference in smooth-ness. It still seems pretty laggy on my NS4G. I am hoping this is because either I have been using a newer device as my daily driver, or just that these Roms are hacked from other releases.
Does anyone else feel this way? What are your experiences with devices like the nexus 7 that were designed with JellyBean? smoother? same?
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Try different kernels as well with the rom.
I definitely see a difference,
I have no more lag at all with what i used to before.

I think, the UI can be a bit smoother, but multitasking and opening/closing apps works smoooooth!

Much faster and smoother than ICS.
Running Jelly Belly 1.5.1
Don't expect 2 much from old device like nexus s.

Google is getting sued for project butter being "too smooth" by apple because apple claimed smoothness was patented.
Kidding,
But, I could see it happening.
JB is 3 steps ahead of any other OS :x

I am on jelly bean. I want to ask too why browsing in chrome is laggy? Opening apps and switching between apps is smooth though, but I dont feel that only switching and opening apps constitute the project butter.

I just don't like the fact that it keeps the phone awake over night. You ask me jellybean trying to do too much in the background. Last night I turned off 3g. When I woke up someone sent me a mms at 12am. When I check the battery stats it kept my phone awake trying to download a mms without data on. Not to smart
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lekhwani said:
I am on jelly bean. I want to ask too why browsing in chrome is laggy? Opening apps and switching between apps is smooth though, but I dont feel that only switching and opening apps constitute the project butter.
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Dialer slow, opening Apps in Settings freaking slow, chrome slow...

JB gave new life to my NS, definitely the smoothest it has ever been, and I don't feel the need to OC. As I do with all phones/roms, all transitions and animations are turned off, including the third one added with JB. Also using Nova launcher, but am going to try Apex again now that they updated it with JB base.
And the biggest thing I noticed is how quickly the recents come up now, it's instant. I honestly didn't think that would be possible on the NS.

Piaband said:
I have been loading most of the patchwork JB Roms that have been popping up here. I like some things about it, like Google Now, but I cant seem to understand "project butter." I cannot tell any real difference in smooth-ness. It still seems pretty laggy on my NS4G. I am hoping this is because either I have been using a newer device as my daily driver, or just that these Roms are hacked from other releases.
Does anyone else feel this way? What are your experiences with devices like the nexus 7 that were designed with JellyBean? smoother? same?
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Pick up the Galaxy Nexus and you'll see the difference much clearer. NS is just plain old.

Why don't you try setting animations to 0.5?
Nexus S (GMS i9020a)
Paranoid (1.6 - 4.0.4)
Matrix Kernel (CFS - 20.0)
Ondemmand (800/100)
Deep Idle (On - Deadline)
Live OC - 100 (400/800)
BLX - 98 (Inverted Apps)

People don't like change, I remember seeing threads bashing ICS when it came out. Its new and the devs here have done made great progress in the short time since its release.
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smoka206 said:
People don't like change, I remember seeing threads bashing ICS when it came out. Its new and the devs here have done made great progress in the short time since its release.
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I'm not bashing at all, love jelly bean.
Just mentioned where is slow.

Piaband said:
FYI---it is VERY hard to understand you without any punctuation.
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I didn't know I was in school & you where an English teacher. I think you need an eye exam if you can't see or feel that jellybean is faster than ICS.
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lekhwani said:
I am on jelly bean. I want to ask too why browsing in chrome is laggy? Opening apps and switching between apps is smooth though, but I dont feel that only switching and opening apps constitute the project butter.
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Chrome is a ram hog. Add in all the other processes eating ram, and you'll see why it's laggy.
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Official 4.2 Update on ZTE N880E. What gives..?

As reported by Android Central, ZTE N880E a 1GHz/ 512 MB phone is getting Android 4.2 update officially.
I'm confused if ZTE's Cortex A5 + Adreno 200 GPU can run 4.2, whats wrong with Nexus S Cortex A8 + PVR540 GPU.
As far as I understand, the later is obviously more powerful! And unlike Nexus One, Nexus S isn't crippled by limited internal storage either!
Then why..?
http://www.androidcentral.com/zte-p...ice?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Either Google is being a ****** or Android 4.2 will run like **** on that device.

Nexus HAL said:
As reported by Android Central, ZTE N880E a 1GHz/ 512 MB phone is getting Android 4.2 update officially.
I'm confused if ZTE's Cortex A5 + Adreno 200 GPU can run 4.2, whats wrong with Nexus S Cortex A8 + PVR540 GPU.
As far as I understand, the later is obviously more powerful! And unlike Nexus One, Nexus S isn't crippled by limited internal storage either!
Then why..?
http://www.androidcentral.com/zte-p...ice?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Because Nexus S is a old device for two years that still is supported from 2.3 to 4.1.2 version.
It is unique!
p/s: I think 512MB RAM is so little for 4.1.2 version.

Agree (I red an article about 2 generations support of latest phones by the google, or equivalent 1,5 to 2 years support).
I didn't expect JB 4.1 update as official (I have been surprised)... so if you would like to 4,2, you have to root and flash

Google updates it's devices.
Zte updates they're own devices.
Has you can imagine, Google does not update other manufacturer's devices...
Summing up: You should have bought a ZTE

muldy said:
Google updates it's devices.
Zte updates they're own devices.
Has you can imagine, Google does not update other manufacturer's devices...
Summing up: You should have bought a ZTE
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Thanks for the heads up :laugh: Your signature says you use two nexus devices unrooted n with locked bootloader. hmm.. got it!
Anyways guys.. I wasn't dying to get the OTA from google as some of you have made it look like. I was just thinking if there was an official AOSP code available, our hardworking developers would've had to go through a 'little less' pain in bringing us some freshly baked 4.2 custom ROMs.
That's it.

Nexus HAL said:
As reported by Android Central, ZTE N880E a 1GHz/ 512 MB phone is getting Android 4.2 update officially.
I'm confused if ZTE's Cortex A5 + Adreno 200 GPU can run 4.2, whats wrong with Nexus S Cortex A8 + PVR540 GPU.
As far as I understand, the later is obviously more powerful! And unlike Nexus One, Nexus S isn't crippled by limited internal storage either!
Then why..?
http://www.androidcentral.com/zte-p...ice?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Only thing that runs heavily in 4.2 is the new lockscreen with widgets. I wonder if ZTE left those in their 4.2 implementation and how it behaves.

All zte devices are lagging like hell, even the high end ones. So, screw zte, they will put even KLP on low end devices just to have it, they dont care about fluidness etc.
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I don't see the big deal with ota when we have great devs that bring us the latest anyways... I've been running a near flawless 4.2 on my NS4G for a few days now... Considering ota dropped less than 2 weeks ago for supported devices, I'm surprised such a stable build is out already...
I've discovered that if I don't use crappy Facebook app and I leave "sync" off when I want to actually use my phone, this phone flies on 4.2... To be fair, I had to do this on 4.1 as well... Not sure if I did this on 4.0 or not... But I'm sure most people would find 4.2 slow on these phones unless they tweak them like I have to get it this fluid...
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the1dynasty said:
I don't see the big deal with ota when we have great devs that bring us the latest anyways... I've been running a near flawless 4.2 on my NS4G for a few days now... Considering ota dropped less than 2 weeks ago for supported devices, I'm surprised such a stable build is out already...
I've discovered that if I don't use crappy Facebook app and I leave "sync" off when I want to actually use my phone, this phone flies on 4.2... To be fair, I had to do this on 4.1 as well... Not sure if I did this on 4.0 or not... But I'm sure most people would find 4.2 slow on these phones unless they tweak them like I have to get it this fluid...
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I am too using 4.2 with marmite, and its all so smooth. Only 2 finger notification bar pull lags because of tiles. 1 finger pull is smooth. And 4.2 is better in any aspect than 4.1.2. I cant wait for roms start popin out.(if some devs stay here )
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alen1901 said:
I am too using 4.2 with marmite, and its all so smooth. Only 2 finger notification bar pull lags because of tiles. 1 finger pull is smooth. And 4.2 is better in any aspect than 4.1.2. I cant wait for roms start popin out.(if some devs stay here )
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its better performance wise? what about battery? cuz I dont care one bit for the new features.

Grahaman27 said:
its better performance wise? what about battery? cuz I dont care one bit for the new features.
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Performance is great, im shocked how well it is working. Battery is the same for me like on 4.1.2. 1 day 3hours on battery, 3hours 30minutes screen on time, 1 and a half hours music, YouTube, a lot of browsing, XDA etc. Im pleased about battery too.
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Performance is great, im shocked how well it is working. Battery is the same for me like on 4.1.2. 1 day 3hours on battery, 3hours 30minutes screen on time, 1 and a half hours music, YouTube, a lot of browsing, XDA etc. Im pleased about battery too.
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sounds great!! :good:

Solution to a lagless device

I know I should have posted this in the q&a but maybe we could have a discussion on the matter.
So as we know, this phone is one of the lagless devices I've ever had and I've had quite a handful of phones recently so I wanted to know your opinions on what do you thunk may be the reason. I know HTC dedicated about a fourth of the ram to hardware and I think that helps a lot. Do you think it's that or just plain old optimization?
From the way I see it, I think it's a big help from the hardware ram but lots of credits due to optimization. What do you think, why do you think so, and what are your views on hardware marrying software?

It's down to both hardware and software optimization, looks like HTC's Sense 5 has been built from the ground up to work with the new processors and Android JellyBean. They've done a great job stripping down the unnecessary bloatware and complicated options. They have refined the software to a point that everything just snaps.
For the first time since Sense first got released, I actually prefer this to stock Android. Love Sense 5
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I agreed. It's butter. Had a gs4 for almost 2 weeks can't never compare to the smoothness of the HTC one.
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did not notice any lag on InsertCoin 3.0

HTC have done a solid job on Sense 5 but I also think it's down to not including a bunch of useless software (like on the S4) and sticking with the tried and tested 4.1.2. I hope 4.2.2 and above are just as non lagging and stable. I can't believe how stable this device is.
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It's not so much about this or that, but it's just that Samsung for whatever reason has not fully implemented Project Butter, the biggest feature for many for 4.1 The S3 didn't have as much bloatware as the S4, but when the One X and S3 got updated to JB, the difference was night and day on the One X, while it MOSTLY stayed the same on the S3.

true story, project butter fully implemented even on the One X JB
equally HTC is known to use higher speed internal storage mmc
and of course the whole Sense 5 light thing and being optimized specifically for the s600 (unlike the s4 exynos and s600 duality)
lets just say its a very clean job
regarding 4.2.2, it's even smoother after the OTA especially the app drawer

Dont know if anythings wrong or the reason that im using the power save mode all the time.......my phone lags a bit at times, any other conclusion anyone??

hamdir said:
and of course the whole Sense 5 light thing and being optimized specifically for the s600 (unlike the s4 exynos and s600 duality)
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My last samsung was the sgs2, which could be perceived as laggy but in reality wasn't, some of the perceived lagginess was caused by design decisions (eg home botton lag, which was so multiclick combos can be done).
Try another (generic, not specically optimized launcher) launcher on a Galaxy phone and see it not lag at all....

phsetaknev said:
Dont know if anythings wrong or the reason that im using the power save mode all the time.......my phone lags a bit at times, any other conclusion anyone??
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Itd *could* be powersaver if your cpu limit is set. It will limit the cpu speed between 384-1134mhz when its on. 384-1727mhz when its off. Also, if you have alot of apps running in the background using *cpu* that *could* be it too....
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Discussion: TouchWiz 4.1.2 vs. Android 4.3

Hello.
I'm in the mood for some discussion. Currently waging which rom to install on my note 2, TouchWiz or latest android (4.3). How would you people rate a 4.1.2 rom built on correct sources against the latest version of Android? Performance, battery and user friendly wise.
Bring it on!
/pemell

I think I know where your going with this but it might turn into something bad. Like comparing roms I think is against the rules.
Comparing Touchwhiz to AOSP usually depends on the needs of user.
I prefer TW than AOSP for the note because if the note 2 pen and camera but hey to each their own!
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Which ROM even has 4.3 on the Note 2? CM? I've looked around a little bit but haven't really seen much information in regards to that.
edit: Got my own question answered, disregard this post, I suck at searching.

@jetbruceli it's not about comparison of roms, I would like to discuss platforms in regards of performance, battery and user friendly factors.
@Clyzm there is some, for exempel the unofficial builds of cm 10.2 and paranoid android.
I'm thinking that TouchWiz will serve me good battery wise. For you who currently runs this what is your battery % drain per hour?

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@jetbruceli it's not about comparison of roms, I would like to discuss platforms in regards of performance, battery and user friendly factors.
@Clyzm there is some, for exempel the unofficial builds of cm 10.2 and paranoid android.
I'm thinking that TouchWiz will serve me good battery wise. For you who currently runs this what is your battery % drain per hour?
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Yeah that's comparing ROms.
stock vs aosp. Then you will ask which one.
It's better to try on your own.
For Me stock odexed rooted with a lot of bloatware removed works the best
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There's not really a lot to discuss because the differences from 4.1>4.2>4.3 really aren't that earth shattering. Especially when you factor in Samsung's s/w modifications. Of the three, 4.1 is considered the most stable with 4.2 having a bunch of issues; some being corrected with 4.2.2 and others not (BT). 4.3 corrects the BT issue which Samsung had already fixed by using their own BT s/w in their 4.2.X ROMs.
Here's a summary of a great 4.1<>4.2 comparison done by Android Authority. A lot of what they are describing doesn't really affect TW-based devices and is more aimed at Nexi users.
So many of the goodies that you love from Android 4.1 Jelly Bean have been carried over to Android 4.2 Jelly Bean. Most of the stock apps and widgets are similar in both Android versions. To the eyes, there’s no big change in Android 4.2 at all. But, some new significant features and some minor alterations make Android 4.2 sweeter and fun. Here is a brief list of new features from Android 4.2 Jelly Bean:
Support for multiple users (for Android tablets)
Multiple lockscreen pages with widgets Wireless display
Revamped Camera app Photo Sphere HDR Mode (for supported devices)
New Clock app Quick Settings pull-down menu Daydream Gesture typing
Additional options in Developer Options
Magnification Gestures and Explore by Touch accessibility features
Security enhancements
UI design changes
Placed side by side, Android 4.2 Jelly Bean shows a slightly modified and slightly upgraded version of Android 4.1 Jelly Bean.
http://www.androidauthority.com/android-4-1-vs-android-4-2-jelly-bean-149740/​
As for 4.2>4.3 the changes are even fewer.
http://www.android.com/about/jelly-bean/
4.1 is as solid as a rock on the N2 and the new features in 4.2/4.3 are either not that significant or wouldn't apply to a TW-enabled device. I'm looking forward to 4.2/4.3 (supposedly Samsung's skipping 4.2) coming to the N2 primarily to get some of Samsung's "S" additions that were introduced on the SGS4. But I’ll probably get a N3 which will most likely be on 4.3 before the N2 gets upgraded. Of the native Google features the one I'm most interested in is the more flexible lock screen with widget capabilities. Now that Android is mature the days of radically new versions coming out multiple times a year are pretty much over. 4.1 was introduced in June 2012 and here it is August 2013 and the evolution across 4.1/4.2/4.3 is pretty minor.

Some like the Touchwiz functionalities and it supports multi window and s- features. AOSP has other stuffs. basically depends on what u want and what you like

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Some like the Touchwiz functionalities and it supports multi window and s- features. AOSP has other stuffs. basically depends on what u want and what you like
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Well I just flashed cm10.1 nightlies and found it super smooth and very well bare for the most part.
Like it felt stripped to the core but super fast and there was no real complaint on my part. You end up with more memory to use and of course it's almost pure stock android with some tweaks. I especially like the blue halo theme!
Now back to Touchwhiz I found myself loving it more than AOSP mainly for this device.
Having s pen related apps and gestures makes it an easy choice. We have pop note and other goodies from the pen.
Air gesture and even without the pen we have built in features like multiwindow and a much better camera experience.
Over all I think when we get 4.3 Touchwhiz, most of the other than users of aosp will switch!
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I like the ProBam ROM, the s-pen features work and it has lots of free RAM. with all apps running the ram usage is around 1.2gb used
jetbruceli said:
Well I just flashed cm10.1 nightlies and found it super smooth and very well bare for the most part.
Like it felt stripped to the core but super fast and there was no real complaint on my part. You end up with more memory to use and of course it's almost pure stock android with some tweaks. I especially like the blue halo theme!
Now back to Touchwhiz I found myself loving it more than AOSP mainly for this device.
Having s pen related apps and gestures makes it an easy choice. We have pop note and other goodies from the pen.
Air gesture and even without the pen we have built in features like multiwindow and a much better camera experience.
Over all I think when we get 4.3 Touchwhiz, most of the other than users of aosp will switch!
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I like the ProBam ROM, the s-pen features work and it has lots of free RAM. with all apps running the ram usage is around 1.2gb used
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Plus with Odexed TW, I believe in my OPINION, that's its the smoothest experience!
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Plus with Odexed TW, I believe in my OPINION, that's its the smoothest experience!
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Can't say I tried ROMs for Samsung, but while I had HTC I did flash a lot - since DHD wasn't getting JB and I experimented a lot with JB ROMS. IMHO, all the "smoothest experience" stuff and how this ROM is better than the other is ONLY due to the fact that when you flash it - your phone is EMPTY. This is also the fact when we buy our phones and we go ooooohh and aaaahhh, how smooth it is. Then, after few months, we fill 'em up with al sorts of widgets and background running processes and they're not so smooth anymore. IMHO, no matter what ROM you use, the performance will always be the same, no matter what. OK, it might be slightly better or worse, but so little that you won't be able to tell. That's why I use stock ROM, since it has most functionality. I just know ANY ROM will be slow after x months of use....

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Can't say I tried ROMs for Samsung, but while I had HTC I did flash a lot - since DHD wasn't getting JB and I experimented a lot with JB ROMS. IMHO, all the "smoothest experience" stuff and how this ROM is better than the other is ONLY due to the fact that when you flash it - your phone is EMPTY. This is also the fact when we buy our phones and we go ooooohh and aaaahhh, how smooth it is. Then, after few months, we fill 'em up with al sorts of widgets and background running processes and they're not so smooth anymore. IMHO, no matter what ROM you use, the performance will always be the same, no matter what. OK, it might be slightly better or worse, but so little that you won't be able to tell. That's why I use stock ROM, since it has most functionality. I just know ANY ROM will be slow after x months of use....
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Well that's why when I flash a new ROM. I wait a day after to determine the speed and stability.
Anyone can say this or that about a ROM or system but in the end its about the user. And I use my device like no other. So performance and stability are the main factors for me!!
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I'm also a big fan of stock, rooted. Custom roms are fun and all yet there are times where you will hit issues because the Dev made a mistake or a change inadvertently affected something else. In my experience the improvements in battery life are negligible at best and at the end of the day I need my phone to be reliable. My latest experience with a custom rom has me with a phone which won't wake from deep sleep if I put it in airplane mode. I'm just waiting to get back home from a business trip and then the first thing I'll be doing is reverting my phone to stock. The last thing I need is a phone which randomly dies in my when I'm away from my laptop and regular access to a high speed Internet connection. These days I'm able to travel light. Besides clothes a note 2 and a note 8 are all I need to get things done but they must be reliable above all else.
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If you have been on 4.2.2 on an S4 u would not expect to see much other differences on the android front except added security. Whatever goodies samsung adds to the note 3 I would expect to see on the note two update. Therefore we will know nothing until September October.
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I'm running unofficial Cyanogenmod 4.3 on my N7105 and must say it's suprisingly stable. Of course there is a long way to go before it can serve as a daily driver, but it's amazing these guys can do so much in such a short time.

Apart some issues with camera , the cm 10.2 is really smooth and battery life is very ok for me.

Is the Note 3 worth buying even if I hate Touchwiz to death ?

OK, I'm buying a new phone very soon, so far I'm going with the HTC one M8...
But, the note 3 is only 40$ more which got me thinking if it's worth it..
Here's a comparison between the two in terms of specs : http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6074&idPhone2=5665
My only issue is I hate touchwiz to death... I hate it so much that I'd rather use iOS than using touchwiz and I hate iOS so much as well BTW, but still.. Touchwiz.. Uggh..
And that means that I'd be relying mainly on AOSP ROMs..
So how are they on the snapdragon model.. Are they as stable as official ? Is there any known unfixable issues on them ? Performance wise ? The Camera ?
And on a totally different subject, does it record slow mo videos ?
I can see it records 1080p60fps... What about 120fps on 720p ? Is it possible ?

Camera is not as good as on Samsung ROMs, and NFC does not always work, but otherwise the ROMs are as good as you would get on a Nexus device, IMHO.
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Camera is not as good as on Samsung ROMs, and NFC does not always work, but otherwise the ROMs are as good as you would get on a Nexus device, IMHO.
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Define "not as good" ?
Any major crashes or just overall quality ?

You may hate TouchWiz as i did, until they released a different version for Note 5/S6. While they're stubbornness to respond to UI/UX feedback from users is still lacking, Sammy did something here worth checking (i think it has to do with the fact that they asked Google for help).
The Note 5/S6 Ports are SOLID. Personally, AOSP is unmatchable to TW Ports in battery life, but they're better in performance though (most of the times). Please note that this is from my personal experience, i prefer not to flash every week a major system update, let alone daily.
Again, a Note 5 Port gave me 2 days of battery life with 5 hours screen time, consistently, with minimal modding.

PlutoDelic said:
You may hate TouchWiz as i did, until they released a different version for Note 5/S6. While they're stubbornness to respond to UI/UX feedback from users is still lacking, Sammy did something here worth checking (i think it has to do with the fact that they asked Google for help).
The Note 5/S6 Ports are SOLID. Personally, AOSP is unmatchable to TW Ports in battery life, but they're better in performance though (most of the times). Please note that this is from my personal experience, i prefer not to flash every week a major system update, let alone daily.
Again, a Note 5 Port gave me 2 days of battery life with 5 hours screen time, consistently, with minimal modding.
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I don't just hate touchwiz coz of its performance... I hate it coz it looks pretty darn awful.
If I'm getting the note 3.. I don't think I'm ever gonna be running TW...
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so still my questions ?
if anyone's has been running AOSP roms for a while, I'd love to know how it's been going ? major issues or anything ?

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Any major crashes or just overall quality ?
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Poor low-light performance. Sometimes blurry images. IRS usable but not great. YMMV.
For system stability, if you are comfortable with CM, it's as good as is expected. Some builds and kernels are solid as rock, others a crash-fest. I'm very happy but others are not.
One thing to note, though, is that the next Android update might have issues, as a lot of the devs have moved to newer devices. Marshmallow builds are now good enough to use, but next year things might be more difficult.
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jisoo said:
Poor low-light performance. Sometimes blurry images. IRS usable but not great. YMMV.
For system stability, if you are comfortable with CM, it's as good as is expected. Some builds and kernels are solid as rock, others a crash-fest. I'm very happy but others are not.
One thing to note, though, is that the next Android update might have issues, as a lot of the devs have moved to newer devices. Marshmallow builds are now good enough to use, but next year things might be more difficult.
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That's the things I care about....
Well, then.. No NOTE 3 for me...
Thanks for your help.. I think I'm gonna go with the M8.. It has a more active development community...
or wait, and eventually get a 5X or a 6P

biascoblix said:
That's the things I care about....
Well, then.. No NOTE 3 for me...
Thanks for your help.. I think I'm gonna go with the M8.. It has a more active development community...
or wait, and eventually get a 5X or a 6P
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I'm waiting for the next Nexus phones myself. Recently got my son a Nexus 5 and realized how much nicer it is to have a phone fully supported by AOSP. Better camera and longer period of upgrades.
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jisoo said:
I'm waiting for the next Nexus phones myself. Recently got my son a Nexus 5 and realized how much nicer it is to have a phone fully supported by AOSP. Better camera and longer period of upgrades.
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Yea, I just checked with the stores here... The 5X is available... But I really wanna get the 6P.. I might wait till its price drop a lille bit... If it doesn't in the next two months.. I'll just go with the 5X

You can try stable asop rom. I prefer CM roms. Its much much better than touchwiz roms