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I am one of the many unsatisfied, and thoroughly disappointed purchasers of the Galaxy S on Bell Mobility in Canada. I have had countless problems with this phone, and poor service even prior to the infamous 2.2 update causing the self destruction of the phone. My question is, when the Nexus S gets released in Canada, is it worth it? Does anyone else have problems with their Samsungs, or was the Bell version just a freak occurence, and not a true example of how Samsung manufactures their devices? Can you guys tell me how your experiences with your Samsung phones have been? I need to know if I should give them a break on this one, or stay away altogether.
Thanks.
i came from only using HTC phones, and an N1 to this NS and ya it was getting used to but i have had nothing but good times with my baby.
even dropping her a few times she still goes on like a champ
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I am one of the many unsatisfied, and thoroughly disappointed purchasers of the Galaxy S on Bell Mobility in Canada. I have had countless problems with this phone, and poor service even prior to the infamous 2.2 update causing the self destruction of the phone. My question is, when the Nexus S gets released in Canada, is it worth it? Does anyone else have problems with their Samsungs, or was the Bell version just a freak occurence, and not a true example of how Samsung manufactures their devices? Can you guys tell me how your experiences with your Samsung phones have been? I need to know if I should give them a break on this one, or stay away altogether.
Thanks.
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I had the international galaxy s and i must say that samsung really screwed up the software part on the galaxy s series. But i really love samsung hardware.
U really cant compare galaxy s to this this phone. Nexus s is so much snappier. Didnt have any problems so far. Wouldnt change it for any phone thats announced so far.
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Should have returned your phone if unsatisfied. The build quality of my NS is excellent and I wouldn't trade it for any other phone out at this time.
edit: also I have a Fascinate with Verizon for work. Build quality is amazing. Only problem I have right now is I am still running 2.1.
jun.seba said:
I am one of the many unsatisfied, and thoroughly disappointed purchasers of the Galaxy S on Bell Mobility in Canada. I have had countless problems with this phone, and poor service even prior to the infamous 2.2 update causing the self destruction of the phone. My question is, when the Nexus S gets released in Canada, is it worth it? Does anyone else have problems with their Samsungs, or was the Bell version just a freak occurence, and not a true example of how Samsung manufactures their devices? Can you guys tell me how your experiences with your Samsung phones have been? I need to know if I should give them a break on this one, or stay away altogether.
Thanks.
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Thanks for asking the question that was on my mind. Have a captivate, and have the same concerns. Waiting for the ns to come to att.
To add to the question, how is the gps?
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I have met several problems with this phone:
1, Some time NS will reboot while making a long call;
2, The backspace key will sometimes does not work, especially with the early product version.
3, Messy code may happen in SMS sent to Users in CDMA network.
That's all. You may buy the latest version of NS and update it to 2.3.3 which is said to solve the random reboot problem.
My first smartphone's the HTC Hero, then N1 and now the NS. Must say i'm loving the weight distribution and design of the NS. I do Gmask (http://www.gmask.com/) for the back of the phone so the plastic bits doesn't even bother me. Haven't had an issue with random reboots except for when i overclock it to 1400mhz and beyond. Besides, 1000mhz is more than enough to run all my required apps/games smoothly. No issue with the backspace. Best phone i had and wouldn't trade it for one that puts me at the mercy of carriers/phone manufacturers for software updates.
Only item i notice is that the GPS in the NS takes a little longer to zoom in to my location compared to the N1. It's fine if i use Maps 5.0,places etc but if i use Brut's version of Maps for navigation (Singapore doesn't have free turn by turn navigation yet) i will take a relative long time (15-20 secs compared to instantly when using the same app on the N1). Not sure if that's a problem with the outdated app or with the GPS hardware, probably the app since others work just fine.
If gps is working, and my tracks will track properly, you are +1 on me.
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Just realised the OP's nic's is Jun Seba.
RIP good man. Hope you're stilll producing good music wherever you are....
Switched from the Evo to the NS - the S is clearly a higher quality device in terms of fit and finish. The Evo always creaked with light squeezing - which feels cheap to me - the battery cover was laughably flimsy, the soft-touch plastic was a little TOO soft and was easy to knick/gouge (and when this happened it revealed the red plastic underneath - looked horrible) and I always thought the button and rocker action and feedback was horrible on the Evo.
The materials are sorta meh in the S, especially compared to the N1 or iPhone 4, but the N1 was sorta overkill in that dept anyway and function seemed to follow form on the iPhone 4 (though I think it is inarguably gorgeous).
The NS feels very light in the hand, almost like its hollow. I believe that's more due to balancing and battery placement, and its not a bad thing. Just took a bit of getting used to.
Overall I think its very comparable to the iPhone 3g(s), but with a superior touch surface (I love the concave glass) and MUCH better front bezel design.
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I love the build quality of both the Galacy S and Nexus S.
I've also had a Desire HD and G2, HTC's build quality leaves much to be desired. As is mentioned above, squeeze it in places and there are all kinds of creaks and groans. The G2 has too many issues to mention.
The Nexus S, although it might have a plastic back, feels very solid.
I would easily recommned the Nexus S. From a hardware persepctive the only thing wrong with it is the back gets scratched easily and if you push the back right where the USB port is you may hear a creak once in a while (the only time the cheap plastic back is really noticable). I've had one or two reboots but that's a software issue. So far I haven't had any other issues with build quality but just from shopping around I did get the impression some of the HTC products felt more "solid". However, as noted elsewhere here, love the curved glass and actually prefer the lighter feel of the phone as a whole.
I should point out that I came to the Nexus S from a Palm Pre so of course the Nexus S feels pretty much darn near unbreakable next to my old phone
Coming from a Vibrant
My NS doesn't feel as cheap/hallow as my vibrant.
But still fingerprint magnet and back cover still scratches easy so baby it if you dont use case like me
Let me know if you have any questions on it. I'll have some accessory reviews etc in the next few days!
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How are the preinstalled widgets? LG seemed to hype up its calendar.
How much can you customize the nav buttons? I remember the G3 having different button visual styles in addition to being able to rearrange the buttons.
How much other customization can you do? Things like the app drawer, themes, etc.
Digging around in settings what can you find that LG isn't pushing as hard??
Do you have a comprehensive list of all the preinstalled apps, from LG, T-Mobile, and others?
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How are the preinstalled widgets? LG seemed to hype up its calendar.
How much can you customize the nav buttons? I remember the G3 having different button visual styles in addition to being able to rearrange the buttons.
How much other customization can you do? Things like the app drawer, themes, etc.
Digging around in settings what can you find that LG isn't pushing as hard??
Do you have a comprehensive list of all the preinstalled apps, from LG, T-Mobile, and others?
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Almost all these questions are answered in the video
on your list ...
First, is this pre-production sample shipping with a locked bootloader? (T Mob was the only US variant unlocked with the G3)
Second, what is useable as a screen protector?
WinDroidGuy said:
Almost all these questions are answered in the video
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But I chose those questions only after watching the video. You mentioned most of those, but I was asking for more detail on them than was provided in the video.
I'd love to see it side by side to a G2. I love the size of the G2. A coworker had a G3 and I don't know about 1 handed use. Another coworker has a S5. Either would work. I am trying to get a rough visual.
How does the leather feel? I know it's real leather, but is it a stiffer or softer leather?
I thought the G4 doesn't have wireless built-in since you have to buy a separate case to use it. (or even a receiver you can plop on top of the battery, which is how I can use wireless charging on my Samsung Galaxy S3. Though, no idea, if the G4 will have that option.) Everywhere that I've seen specs for it say that it doesn't come with that out of the box.
How is the user experience? I remember trying out the G3 and I didn't like how the experience was. It seemed cluttered to me, which isn't say much since Samsung's Touchwiz can be the same way, but I thought it was fine on the S3, compared to the S4 and S5, which I didn't like it as much. Did LG improve on their UI from the G3 to G4?
What are your thoughts on the camera? I know LG hyped that camera SOO much, so I need to see some real-world pics and such. On paper, it sounds great, but curious how it actually performs.
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I'd love to see it side by side to a G2. I love the size of the G2. A coworker had a G3 and I don't know about 1 handed use. Another coworker has a S5. Either would work. I am trying to get a rough visual.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/pictures-three-generations-lg-flagships
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I thought the G4 doesn't have wireless built-in since you have to buy a separate case to use it. (or even a receiver you can plop on top of the battery, which is how I can use wireless charging on my Samsung Galaxy S3. Though, no idea, if the G4 will have that option.) Everywhere that I've seen specs for it say that it doesn't come with that out of the box.
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If the G3 being able to add wireless charging with the quickwindow case meant it had the pins that allowed a wireless charging sticker to be added underneath the plastic back, I'm guessing the fact that the G4 has a quickwindow case with wireless charging means it's only a matter of time before someone makes a wireless charging sticker for the G4.
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First, is this pre-production sample shipping with a locked bootloader? (T Mob was the only US variant unlocked with the G3)
Second, what is useable as a screen protector?
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The screen protector came installed & I didn't remove it. Waiting for glass, but not sure it will work with the curved screen!
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But I chose those questions only after watching the video. You mentioned most of those, but I was asking for more detail on them than was provided in the video.
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LG World has tons of free themes, fonts etc. You can still change the soft keys like the G3, also has the option for white or black background.
I can get you a list of the apps, if you pause the video on that part you can see them all. It's 9 T-Mobile apps, plus most Google apps and that's it.
player911 said:
I'd love to see it side by side to a G2. I love the size of the G2. A coworker had a G3 and I don't know about 1 handed use. Another coworker has a S5. Either would work. I am trying to get a rough visual.
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I don't have a G2 or G3 anymore, I'll try to get some pictures with the S5...in the video I compare it to 4 or 5 devices as well.
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How does the leather feel? I know it's real leather, but is it a stiffer or softer leather?
I thought the G4 doesn't have wireless built-in since you have to buy a separate case to use it. (or even a receiver you can plop on top of the battery, which is how I can use wireless charging on my Samsung Galaxy S3. Though, no idea, if the G4 will have that option.) Everywhere that I've seen specs for it say that it doesn't come with that out of the box.
How is the user experience? I remember trying out the G3 and I didn't like how the experience was. It seemed cluttered to me, which isn't say much since Samsung's Touchwiz can be the same way, but I thought it was fine on the S3, compared to the S4 and S5, which I didn't like it as much. Did LG improve on their UI from the G3 to G4?
What are your thoughts on the camera? I know LG hyped that camera SOO much, so I need to see some real-world pics and such. On paper, it sounds great, but curious how it actually performs.
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I don't personally much like the leather, it's not hard or soft; can't really explain it. It feels nice, just not my cup of tea. I might check out the black leather back. But I did like the grayish one with diamond pattern.
The G4 has wireless charging, but I think you need to buy the back for it like I had to do on the G3. It was ~$20 for the original one from LG.
The UI is cluttered by default, but you can make it into a list and make it less cluttered. I like it much better after that.
The camera is actually pretty amazing. I'll be posting pictures on Instagram/Twitter if you want to follow, same as my handle here. I know they get somewhat compressed, so I may start another thread with camera samples if you guys want that!
I think the round back would piss me off when using the phone while it is laying down on its back. I very often use one hand to double tap to wake, flip through notifications, send quick replies, double tap off. With a rounded back, can you type one handed while it is on a desk? Or does it rock back and forth? Seems like it would also slip off my lap while driving easier because the contact area is less.
And Qi charging is a requirement of any phone of mine. I have a sweet setup at home and work (Nexus 7 2013 and Verizon G2). Can you confirm? I'd hate a "qi backplate" because those typically add additional thickness and disallows feather cases like Incipio Feather from fitting.
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I think the round back would piss me off when using the phone while it is laying down on its back. I very often use one hand to double tap to wake, flip through notifications, send quick replies, double tap off. With a rounded back, can you type one handed while it is on a desk? Or does it rock back and forth? Seems like it would also slip off my lap while driving easier because the contact area is less.
And Qi charging is a requirement of any phone of mine. I have a sweet setup at home and work (Nexus 7 2013 and Verizon G2). Can you confirm? I'd hate a "qi backplate" because those typically add additional thickness and disallows feather cases like Incipio Feather from fitting.
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I can type with one hand just fine, but it is round & moves when on the table. But it's not a huge deal to me, but that may be a deal breaker for some.
The Qi back for the G3 didn't add any bulk & thin cases fit just fine. I'll have some cases up tomorrow though!
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If the G3 being able to add wireless charging with the quickwindow case meant it had the pins that allowed a wireless charging sticker to be added underneath the plastic back, I'm guessing the fact that the G4 has a quickwindow case with wireless charging means it's only a matter of time before someone makes a wireless charging sticker for the G4.
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Yeah, that's my current setup with the S3. But, that still means you have to buy something to actually be able it. It's not like phones like the S6 where you can literally put it straight out of the box and plop it onto a wireless charger and it'll start charging.
WinDroidGuy said:
I don't personally much like the leather, it's not hard or soft; can't really explain it. It feels nice, just not my cup of tea. I might check out the black leather back. But I did like the grayish one with diamond pattern.
The G4 has wireless charging, but I think you need to buy the back for it like I had to do on the G3. It was ~$20 for the original one from LG.
The UI is cluttered by default, but you can make it into a list and make it less cluttered. I like it much better after that.
The camera is actually pretty amazing. I'll be posting pictures on Instagram/Twitter if you want to follow, same as my handle here. I know they get somewhat compressed, so I may start another thread with camera samples if you guys want that!
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Yeah, I was wondering if colors would be exclusive, depending on the carrier. I've seen promos that T-Mobile is the only carrier that'll have the brown one you currently have. I remember seeing the black leather one for AT&T, but no idea if it's exclusive or not.
Ah okay, so it is like my S3 then, where you have to buy something separate to actually get use of the wireless charging since it's not enabled by default. Lil annoying, since I would prefer it enabled right out of the box, but it's not a deal breaker. I only even bought the receiver for the S3 because the charging port has gotten rather finicky, so it's buying time before I actually upgrade later this year.
I'd love to see some camera samples, so feel free to post them here or make a new thread for it. Your call on that.
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And Qi charging is a requirement of any phone of mine. I have a sweet setup at home and work (Nexus 7 2013 and Verizon G2). Can you confirm? I'd hate a "qi backplate" because those typically add additional thickness and disallows feather cases like Incipio Feather from fitting.
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You could also try getting one of those receivers that you can place on top of the battery (essentially looks like a sticker with some pins). I'm using that for my S3 to help buy some time before upgrading later this year since my charging port is a bit finicky now. Because it goes inside the phone, it really doesn't add any bulk to your device.
From what others have mentioned in this thread, only a matter of time before someone makes one for the G4. Because it's not a case, I'm not sure how fast it'll charge, compared to an actual backplate. It might be slower, but I honestly can't say.
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You can get a qi wireless charging sticker for literally five dollars that takes two minutes to install, so it isn't that much of a hassle at all.
Sprint also has the black leather G4. Hopefully T-Mobile's brown leather exclusive expires by the time I get my G4 in November, because I want it.
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You can get a qi wireless charging sticker for literally five dollars that takes two minutes to install, so it isn't that much of a hassle at all.
Sprint also has the black leather G4. Hopefully T-Mobile's brown leather exclusive expires by the time I get my G4 in November, because I want it.
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I'll try you mine if I still have the device haha I get new phones A LOT :x
So does the G3 that ships in the US not have QI charging out of the box?
My G3 came with the QI charge patch built into the original rear cover and I was kinda assuming the G4 would be the same.
Thanks for the great review ... No doubt we will get the G4 here in Australia just before LG releases the G5 to you guys hahaha
Photo attached of the unit that was reviewed in France ... the QI patch is built into their model with the leather rear cover.
Review: http://www.frandroid.com/marques/lg/281610_prise-en-main-du-lg-g4-a-la-recherche-de-la-difference
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I believe that is the NFC antenna, not wireless charging. The impression LG gave off with the G4 was that there will be no wireless charging built in and the quickwindow case will be required for wireless charging. This is what they were saying for the American release of the G3, but they said the global model of the G3 will have wireless charging. From this, I'd guess the whole world will be in the same wireless charging situation with the G4 like the US was with the G3.
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I believe that is the NFC antenna, not wireless charging. The impression LG gave off with the G4 was that there will be no wireless charging built in and the quickwindow case will be required for wireless charging. This is what they were saying for the American release of the G3, but they said the global model of the G3 will have wireless charging. From this, I'd guess the whole world will be in the same wireless charging situation with the G4 like the US was with the G3.
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Ah, thanks for the explanation ... that might explain why only two contacts are made out of the 4 available.
I just googled replacement parts for the G3 and the QI and NFC are in the same patch ... but they use all 4 little contacts (on the picture I attached only two of the contacts are showing on the rear case).. At least the G4 has the 4 contacts on the phone so its likely someone will figure a way to replace the NFC with a combined NFC & QI with all 4 contacts.
Seems like a backwards step though
how did you get one already? and do you have to send this unit back after testing or did you win it?
seems to me the only people who got test units were professional reviewers.
Band 12 700mhz?
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Band 12 700mhz?
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Yes, this has it
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In short, the G5 feels poor, for a flagship. I knew about some of these issues beforehand but I didn't think they would bother me as much. I've never returned a phone before.
I'm coming to it from a Samsung S6 Edge and iPhone 6. I can include the Nexus 5 and even the HTC One X in here too. They all felt a lot better, smoother and cleaner.
I wanted the G5 + Hi-Fi Plus to replace the phone + audio player combination I've gotten used to (most recently, Sony Walkman NWZ-ZX2).
I still haven't received my Hi-Fi Plus. But even if it was great (it is essential, for me), it wouldn't make up for everything else.
It feels like there is a lip when you swipe from the side of the screen. It's not smooth glass like an iPhone, S6/S7 Edge, or Nexus 5. It doesn't feel nice.
The chrome trim around the back has hideous gaps. The bottom of the phone doesn't align along perfectly along the sides. I think this is shocking in this day and age. I can imagine Steve Jobs slapping you in the face if you tried to release something like this at Apple.
The fingerprint scanner doesn't always work and seems to be worse than my iPhone and the S6 Edge.
The battery life is mediocre, even without always-on display. With lighter than average use I can go a day. I would expect this to be reduced with the Hi-Fi Plus. I don't want to carry two batteries and I don't want to be swapping batteries until this one becomes suboptimal. But by that time I will probably want a new device.
The supposedly metal body feels like plastic, so what's the point of it? It's not as though plastic phones fall apart or melt in time. Moreover, this prevents wireless charging.
Audio quality through the standard headphone socket is dull. The fact that something can play 24-bit audio doesn't mean it will sound great.
The tapered top of the phone means that I can't use a screen protector. In the long term, this is not a good idea, especially without a case.
The fact that the Hi-Fi Plus makes it a little bigger means that I can't use a case.
I think I'll get the HTC 10 when it's released, because the S7 Edge isn't a worthwhile upgrade over a 128GB S6 Edge.
I had similar build quality concerns. You can actually see some of these things in review photos and videos of you know what you are looking for. A friend of mine has already exchanged his first G5 due to build quality.
BTW, what does the M10 have over the S7E that makes it worth the upgrade and the S7E not? Just curious.
Wow, I've had a totally different experience. My build quality is perfect much to my surprise. The seams along the modular edge are spot on. The fingerprint scanner is spot on. Faster than my S7 and on par with the Nexus 6P.
The screen lies smooth to the side and I like the curved top and bottom as I really don't use screen protectors anymore. The gaps on the chrome are antenna lines, at least they are not all over the phone. As far the finish it's a coating. I like it as it has better grip than my S7 edge or any metal/glass phone and I have no blemishes thankfully.
I can't comment on the headphone audio as I use LG Tones and the sound has been great coming from Bluetooth.
As far as the M10 it will be no where near as good as the S7 or even this. Why? Because HTC has lost its identity and produces a mismosh of tech. Smaller screen, added a home button and remove its defining feature the front facing speakers. Blah. Ill skip it.
I'm sure Steve Jobs has already rolled over in his grave with the crap Apple has been pushing out for the last few years. Innovation stopped with his illness and unfortunate death. They have been far too stagnant. From antenna gate to bending phones to buggy os releases there are plenty of bad quality control issues at Apple, no company is exempt.
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Well to be fair to the HTC 10 it presumably will have a better DAC in it than the stock SD820 DAC that the S7 and G5 has. But at the same time the SD DAC which has been notoriously awful over the years is much improved. Definitely good enough for most people or cheap gym headphones. I would also give a slight nod to Sense over touchwiz and LGs new abomination of an iphone setup.
I am Coming from the HTC m7 and htc models before the m7, after one week i am still fascinated from the design and the quality of the the G5. Battery is ok could be better but ok. i am not more then 24 h away from a power supply and can still use some powerbanks on tours. the Launcher i use for years now is Lightning Launcher so i never have to care bout sense or other original used launchers by the manufacturer of my phone. till now the phone is top for me.
let me see if the sound module can beat the boomsound of HTC and if it will get rooted for some framework and so on.
For me, the back seam is not straight in terms of height. The seams along the side don't align either.
I think in part I'm used to devices impressing me in the hand. The One X felt amazing. The Nexus 5 felt very clean. The S6 Edge looked fantastic (although the Edge was pointless).
These things wouldn't bother me so much if I kept the phone in a case, but this won't happen.
Even without sound quality considerations, I much prefer the S7/Edge/HTC 10. I can get a separate DAP (I'm considering Onkyo DP-X1 but waiting for it be released in Europe, for warranty reasons).
The one clear advantage of the HTC 10, for me, is that you can use the microSD for app storage. I found that I'd used up all the space on the G5 after saving a lot of Spotify music for offline access. It felt like a step backwards from a 128GB S6 Edge in this regard.
Mines perfect. I adore this device. Sorry to hear your device sucked.
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Bye, and dont let the door hit you in the arse on your way out.
If you're that much of an audiophile.... I don't even know why you'd consider a phone to play audio. Just my 0.02.
Fingerprint scanner is spot on for me.. Even when I'm dirty at work, it still picks it up. My S6 Edge+ would pick it up 10% of the time when my hands were clean.
Sure, I went through 8 G5's before I settled. Is this one flawless? No. It's slightly off flush. Do I care? Not really... It's in a case.
Do I expect perfect QC for a $700 phone? Sure. But it's not going to happen until manufacturing returns to this country. Will that happen? Nope.
Overall, I'm loving this phone. Displays nice, clear, and smooth. UI is great... Probably moving back to nova, but the styling and icons are beautiful. The grip without a case is great for a metal phone. Due to the coating, for sure.
It just feels and looks nicer than the S6 and S7 IMO. Had the M10 not had a physical home button, I would've considered it. Nothing says classy like a buttonless face.
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Rauch said:
If you're that much of an audiophile.... I don't even know why you'd consider a phone to play audio. Just my 0.02.
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Because its not asking too much to want above average quality without having to carry multiple devices. Im not expecting it to rvial my fiio x3 but it should at least be passable for the gym etc.
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ISure, I went through 8 G5's before I settled. Is this one flawless? No. It's slightly off flush. Do I care? Not really... It's in a case.
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You went through 8 then immediately claim you dont care? Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself that you dont care not us.
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IDo I expect perfect QC for a $700 phone? Sure. But it's not going to happen until manufacturing returns to this country. Will that happen? Nope.
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I know right, it really sucked when they stopped making smartphones here right? Whats that? They have never been made here? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Really though, how can you even try that excuse? The G5 is made the same way the s7/iphone is made. Cheap asian labor but you dont see these issues plaguing them do you? This notion that made in china = garbage is so ignorant and shortsighted. It dont matter where its made the manufacturer can set the quality standards its like this in every country no matter what they are making.
Exactly. I don't want to carry two devices all the time. Especially in the summer.
The Hi-Fi Plus could make the G5 compete with DAPs that cost roughly the same.
The ZX2 was good but it was stuck on Android 4.2. The DP-X1 is still not forthcoming for me. So I need something. I sold the S6 Edge and my iPhone doesn't have enough memory for much music.
Yes, some of these issues are due to quality control. Others are just very bad design choices.
I'm still having problems with the fingerprint scanner. I tried rescanning carefully but it hasn't improved.
I'm also a little sceptical about the fast charging estimates. I think they're underestimated.
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The one clear advantage of the HTC 10, for me, is that you can use the microSD for app storage. I found that I'd used up all the space on the G5 after saving a lot of Spotify music for offline access. It felt like a step backwards from a 128GB S6 Edge in this regard.
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I hope you know that one can change storage too sd card thou: In spotify go to settings > scroll down to storage > choose sd card
And problem solved!
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Because its not asking too much to want above average quality without having to carry multiple devices. Im not expecting it to rvial my fiio x3 but it should at least be passable for the gym etc.
You went through 8 then immediately claim you dont care? Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself that you dont care not us.
I know right, it really sucked when they stopped making smartphones here right? Whats that? They have never been made here? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Really though, how can you even try that excuse? The G5 is made the same way the s7/iphone is made. Cheap asian labor but you dont see these issues plaguing them do you? This notion that made in china = garbage is so ignorant and shortsighted. It dont matter where its made the manufacturer can set the quality standards its like this in every country no matter what they are making.
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If quality of music is your biggest concern at the gym, you've got some other issues at hand. You should become more focused on your workout and sweating away that fat instead of worrying how good your music sounds.
Yeah, I went through 8 because the moment you pull them out of the box the flaws were that noticeable. Beyond that, no big deal.
Ignorant and short sighted? No. Compare tools made in China vs. Made in america, germany, or Spain. Big difference. Or more importantly - copper and steel pipe and fittings. Tell me there's no quality difference between something made with cheap labor vs. Something made here. The fact I can crack a 2" black iron fitting with an 18" pipe wrench is enough to see there is a difference. Than you factor in dimensions and threading differences.... Get out in the real world and realize there is a huge quality difference between cheap labor and expensive labor.
Oh, I'm sorry.... Did you forget about about the admitted iphone 5S manufacturing defects? Could be sworn there was something wrong with the 6's as well!
Open your eyes kiddo.
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If quality of music is your biggest concern at the gym, you've got some other issues at hand. You should become more focused on your workout and sweating away that fat instead of worrying how good your music sounds.
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What? That makes no sense AT ALL... Music is a motivator, when your music sounds like ass its a distraction. You must not go to the gym.
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Ignorant and short sighted? No. Compare tools made in China vs. Made in america, germany, or Spain. Big difference. Or more importantly - copper and steel pipe and fittings. Tell me there's no quality difference between something made with cheap labor vs. Something made here. The fact I can crack a 2" black iron fitting with an 18" pipe wrench is enough to see there is a difference. Than you factor in dimensions and threading differences.... Get out in the real world and realize there is a huge quality difference between cheap labor and expensive labor.
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Thats a cute analogy ill give you another one.
Compare the iphone and the galaxy s7 to the G5. All are made in the same place 2 are considered to be very well made one has problems like crazy.
get out in the real world and realize all phones are made in cheap asian countries and only one has these glaring issues and you will see a flawed design for what it is. Your argument holds no water whatsoever.
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Oh, I'm sorry.... Did you forget about about the admitted iphone 5S manufacturing defects? Could be sworn there was something wrong with the 6's as well!
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You must be joking right? Those where design flaws antennagate was bad design not bad production. The iphone 6 bending was bad design not bad production.
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Open your eyes kiddo.
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Open my eyes? Your argument is that the G5 is messed up because its "made in china" every other smartphone on the planet is too and they are just fine... Stop being so stubbornly ignorant.
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I hope you know that one can change storage too sd card thou: In spotify go to settings > scroll down to storage > choose sd card
And problem solved!
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Lol. I was going to say that.
But yes g5 has micro sd slot.
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What? That makes no sense AT ALL... Music is a motivator, when your music sounds like ass its a distraction. You must not go to the gym.
Thats a cute analogy ill give you another one.
Compare the iphone and the galaxy s7 to the G5. All are made in the same place 2 are considered to be very well made one has problems like crazy.
get out in the real world and realize all phones are made in cheap asian countries and only one has these glaring issues and you will see a flawed design for what it is. Your argument holds no water whatsoever.
You must be joking right? Those where design flaws antennagate was bad design not bad production. The iphone 6 bending was bad design not bad production.
Open my eyes? Your argument is that the G5 is messed up because its "made in china" every other smartphone on the planet is too and they are just fine... Stop being so stubbornly ignorant.
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Bro, you make some solid points
Baxter you know I don't speak Spanish.
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The one clear advantage of the HTC 10, for me, is that you can use the microSD for app storage. I found that I'd used up all the space on the G5 after saving a lot of Spotify music for offline access. It felt like a step backwards from a 128GB S6 Edge in this regard.
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Spotify - How to store cache on external SD
People should learn how to use google.
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Wow, lots of people managed to do something you couldn't.
Sound isn't that bad, I listened to a few tracks quickly on spotify on my sennheisers and it was on par with other phones I've tested.
Could be tweaked a bit with viper when we get root but I'm satisfied.
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Those of you who have the S7E are you going to check out and think about switching to the HTC 10?
I only ask because I am honestly thinking about it after seeing it today. I like the looks and the specs look good.
What do you like and dislike about the HTC 10 and how do you think it compares to the S7E?
I was HTC boy since QTEK times till 1 week ago when I went for s7e htc still the same design as M7 from 2013 I think HTC 10 is ugly and only 5.2" display
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Design wise it definitely is not winning any awards. But its not as ugly as the g5. Im not switching from the S7EDGE. This a much better phone, the htc 10 is a generic phone, it really has no character, it it really doesnt stand for anything, its a bunch of hardware put together in desperation for sales. The S7EDGE though is a almost a fashion statement, i almost feel special when i take it out of my pocket
Main reason I get Samsung phones over others are screen and camera. Camera may be on par on paper. But the Amoled is still best in the business. Until someone can make a better screen, I'll probably staying where I am.
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No intention of switching but I'll try the phone.
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Yea, I do wish it had a slightly larger display but I actually like the looks of it. Don't get me wrong. I love the looks of the S7E but it's just something about the HTC 10 and it's simple design.
I am looking forward to see how it's screen reacts to touch. Supposedly it will have the lowest response time of any mobile touchscreen on the market including the iPhone. That's about the only thing I miss from the iPhone is it's touch response time.
I'm also looking forward to hearing it's speakers. I like how they kept the front facing speaker for the highs and then separated the lows with the bottom facing speaker. I've also heard if you like listening to music through headphones then it will most likely be the best sounding phone yet.
If i didn't have one more T-Mobile Jump until June I wouldn't even be thinking about it but I'll check it out. Worst comes to worst, if I get it and don't like it, I can always Jump to the Note 6 and then the next Nexus.
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Those of you who have the S7E are you going to check out and think about switching to the HTC 10?
I only ask because I am honestly thinking about it after seeing it today. I like the looks and the specs look good.
What do you like and dislike about the HTC 10 and how do you think it compares to the S7E?
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nothing special on HTC 10 for switching to it !!!
at best point its camera is same
But only design of S7E is more special than anything else!
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Yea, I do wish it had a slightly larger display but I actually like the looks of it. Don't get me wrong. I love the looks of the S7E but it's just something about the HTC 10 and it's simple design.
I am looking forward to see how it's screen reacts to touch. Supposedly it will have the lowest response time of any mobile touchscreen on the market including the iPhone. That's about the only thing I miss from the iPhone is it's touch response time.
I'm also looking forward to hearing it's speakers. I like how they kept the front facing speaker for the highs and then separated the lows with the bottom facing speaker. I've also heard if you like listening to music through headphones then it will most likely be the best sounding phone yet.
If i didn't have one more T-Mobile Jump until June I wouldn't even be thinking about it but I'll check it out. Worst comes to worst, if I get it and don't like it, I can always Jump to the Note 6 and then the next Nexus.
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They all lay claims but usually HTC are good with audio so with that it will be great I'm sure...
Having an over sensitive screen isn't all good, The M8 was very sensitive and can be an annoyance (or it was for me).
It's not all Gloom and like most here I appreciate all tech and companies that really cater to as many requirements as possible....let's not forget it's the M7 and yes iPhone that pushed for other OEM's to up their game on build & design.....
What we have now is a point where it difficult to choose or getting more difficult to choose......unless the OEM is consistent....
HTC lost that with the M9 not saying that was bad (I really liked it bar the Camera wasn't particularly great).
HTC 10 yes it has all the bells and whistles in regards to specs and design is hmmmmmmm it just doesn't inspire me.....huge Shamfers is the angle that they hope people will be drawn to (design wise) we all look at the overall package though (don't we? ) the M10 will suit a few but I'm afraid the Edge is Samsungs lol
While the 10 sounds good in what's on offer......and I'm sure it will be a very decent device.....I'm not sure this will be the device that will boost HTC.....think they should have opted for the happy Medium of a 5.5" display .....we shall see how some real world reviews come out once released and hope it's good for HTC....
But I'm. More than happy with the S7 Edge hmm and then some
The HTC 10 definitely looks like a top contender, solid design, interesting speakers, Apple airplay! apparently a camera maybe on par with s7e, good battery; even though it's 3000 I think HTC is good at optimizing, so I think it will be as good as s7e, let's not forget to mention unlockable bootloader, BUT when I found out it was still LCD I went ahead and bought the s7e , my last amoled was s5 and I've missed it since, I know the colors aren't as natural but no one can deny how pleasant it is to look at. I love my s7e and I don't like Samsung haha
The only phone that will make me want to switch is the note6 well hopefully the specs are up to the standards. / Loved my note3
Nah, I'll stick with the Edge. The 10 looks fine, apart from the fact that they failed to center that home-button! Why couldn't they have moved it up a millimeter?
I've loved HTC phones for years (even the M9!), and thought the 10 would be my Snapdragon 820 phone that I would go with. But while the 10 looks like it can compete with any flagship phone, for me, it's "too little, too late". It simply wouldn't be an upgrade moving from the S7 Edge (but I do wish Samsung had retained the IR blaster!).
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You'll miss the screen of you switch!
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The things about the HTC that are making me consider it over the S7:
Unlocked bootloader (still don't know if we'll ever see the USA S7 unlocked)
Hardware buttons that are almost identical to Samsung's (a big reason I've stuck with Samsung for years)
Possibly 64GB built-in
Camera might give Samsung a run for their money
Sound quality via speakers & headphones
Apparently USB 3.1 via USB-C
Otherwise, the S7/Edge have AMOLED screen, a known great camera, wireless charging, IP68 protection. Now, if the S7 gets full root, I think the S7 is the winner, but that remains to be seen. Glad to see there's a rootable 2016 flagship that will get root if the S7 doesn't. C'mon, Samsung!
Nope. Screen and water resistance.
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HTC 10 looks more like an alternative to the S7 than the Edge. Compared to the Edge, no wireless charging, LCD vs. AMOLED, and a smaller battery and screen are the biggest negatives. No fragile glass back and a front mounted speaker the biggest positives in terms of hardware. I also really like some of Samsung's software mods.
The htc 10 seems to be the best htc phone in many years, and is a legitimate competitor this time around. If the promise is upheld, I'd choose it over the G5. I'd consider it if I were looking at the S7, but probably not over the Edge with its larger screen, battery and Edge functions.
i'm a htc user since 2010. recently switched to s7 edge because of the design of the body, screen, camera, battery and other powerful specs. What I can is that HTC has still the best UI for android phones. Especially now that they minimized the duplicate apps and decided to use the google apps instead. The way HTC handles the settings, app drawer, etc is still far better than the samsung.
I think this is where samsung should made a decision to reduce the bloatware they have for many years now. Sound wise, i'm tempted to hear their new boomsound without the 2 front facing speaker. that feature looks awesome where they place a tweeter at the top speaker and a separated bass speaker at the bottom. Body design wise, i don't think htc change a lot from M7/M8/M9 atleast at the back. the front seems different. it's like a hybrid of A9 and M9. but looks very wide at the pictures. unlike the s7 edge, it looks very slim.
To answer the question, i'm not switching to HTC 10. I like the s7 edge. I just don't like the duplicate apps and some settings I miss with HTC like hiding apps on the app drawer, always alphabetize the app drawer, some default widgets, notification quick setting presets, etc. But since there are some apps and tweaks to make it better, i can live with third party apps to do this annoying things.
Oh man I miss my note 3, it was the greatest, I plan on getting the note 6 but the s7 edge for now is top drawer, had a htc one m9 and apart from warming me up in the winter it wasn't overly great. I'll be staying away from htc until they catch up in screen tech and on design.
As others have said already the only thing that I will consider switching to is the Note 6. The HTC 10 looks like a great phone but besides the speakers it has nothing better to offer. To me it looks like a Samsung knock off.
Nope, the HTC 10 has nothing compelling over my GS7E. Heck, I would choose my old GS6E over the HTC 10. I would choose it, though, over the LG G5.
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High end device with user replaceable battery, IPS LCD to retain natural color reproduction, separate 2nd screen for shortcuts-music control-notifications, microSD, ideal fingerprint location-functionality, quad DAC-headphone jack considering current trends+the V30 abandoned several of those?
Yes it could have fit dual front facing stereo speakers, better front facing camera & low light cameras but is the V20 the last of it's kind with all these aforementioned features because I'm considering buying more now that they can be had at bargain prices?
The only correct answer is "Nobody knows what the future will bring."
I can take a guess. Since water proofing seems popular now I suspect any openings in the case will be eliminated if possible to please those who think they should teach their phone to swim. That means no replaceable battery and no headphone jack for sure and maybe no more SD cards.
Personally, if I drop my phone in the toilet it's history but for those who like "crappy" phones they must be water proof!
I think I'm the only person who actually likes the sound of the V30 (I currently have a V20). I really don't need a hot-swappable battery as I've always found fast charging to be enough, and I really like the idea of added waterproofing and dust protection. The second screen is great but the always-on feature that AMOLED displays offer covers that for me. So in my opinion, yeah! LG seem committed to keeping the advanced features for the V series at the moment. But for those of you who really like the idea of a user-replaceable battery, I'd say those days are numbered.
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High end device with user replaceable battery, IPS LCD to retain natural color reproduction, separate 2nd screen for shortcuts-music control-notifications, microSD, ideal fingerprint location-functionality, quad DAC-headphone jack considering current trends+the V30 abandoned several of those?
Yes it could have fit dual front facing stereo speakers, better front facing camera & low light cameras but is the V20 the last of it's kind with all these aforementioned features because I'm considering buying more now that they can be had at bargain prices?
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I would suggest focusing on new models that have an easily replaced battery (IE some Motorolas, One plus etc) and other features that you like (ext SD etc). For me the ability to somewhat easily replace the battery is a HUGE factor in my decision buying a phone... Because I like keeping my heavily used phones more than a year or so. I always check ifixit before buying or recommending a phone... To see how easy it is to replace the battery
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I would suggest focusing on new models that have an easily replaced battery (IE some Motorolas, One plus etc) and other features that you like (ext SD etc). For me the ability to somewhat easily replace the battery is a HUGE factor in my decision buying a phone... Because I like keeping my heavily used phones more than a year or so. I always check ifixit before buying or recommending a phone... To see how easy it is to replace the battery
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I do exactly the same!
I really do favor being able to pop in a new battery in seconds at will vs hassles or planned obsolescence. I'd even like to see manufacturers offer slide in batteries of different sizes & offer case options for waterproofing and sports models for those who may refuse to use any kind of case.
I view the disappearance of user replaceable batteries as an extension of Apple's market power and hostility (my way or the highway proprietary attitude) to the end user. Apple never offered user replaceable batteries (nor expandable storage) and it was once a distinguishing Android device feature.
I see people around me often with dying phones being tethered to walls or carrying around large external batteries for their devices. The only smartphone I've ever owned without a user replaceable battery is the Nexus 6P & after that terrible experience of the battery dying so early ultimately having to get it professionally replaced really cemented how much I hate not being able to pop in a new battery at will. It's almost like a claustrophobic crippled feeling having to deal with an enclosed battery with no sd card like the Nexus 6P. User replaceable batteries also makes the secondary used device market much more viable vs getting a dying enclosed battery with used devices. Sales enhanced with planned obsolescence seem to take priority over offering end users & the e-waste-environment other options. I'd like to see https://www.androidpolice.com/2017/...s-smartphones-tech-last-longer-easier-repair/ happen in other markets including the US but won't hold my breath.
Regarding upcoming high end devices (none I see with removable batteries sadly), as I prefer IPS LCD to retain natural color reproduction with loud speakers-headphone jack, potentially good cameras, I'll check out the reviews & ifixit for https://www.gsmarena.com/asus_zenfone_5_ze620kl-9061.php but would not expect future phones to be as repairable as https://ifixit.org/blog/8550/lg-v20-repair-phone/ :
Wired’s Brian Barrett called the V20 a phone for power users who “feel rightly abandoned by the move toward one monolithic, iPhone-inspired smartphone design upon which HTC and Google and Motorola and others have converged. The V20 wants you to know that you are not forgotten.”
“It’s refreshing to hold a phone with a removable battery. It’s beneficial on so many levels. The life of the phone is extended by years and the battery replacements are inexpensive and so easy that anyone can do it,” Zack told us. “Screen replacements are a little more technical. But only one tool is required: a screwdriver. And that makes it simple for the average person to fix on their own.”
Any upcoming devices catch anyone's attention?
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In theory, this phone is perfect. But the planned obsolescence and flimsy plastic bull**** it was constructed with has cost 2 new headphone jacks and 2 new bezels in a year; although I'm counting it as three since my headphone jack has AGAIN worn out and needs to be replaced, along with the bottom bezel. At this point, I am convinced I could either have built a better phone myself or should have just kept my indestructible flip phone and bought a DAP.
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has cost 2 new headphone jacks and 2 new bezels in a year; although I'm counting it as three since my headphone jack has AGAIN worn out and needs to be replaced, along with the bottom bezel. At this point, I am convinced I could either have built a better phone myself or should have just kept my indestructible flip phone and bought a DAP.
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Maybe by now, you'd arrive at the conclusion bluetooth headset won't do that like conventional physical plug in versions? Just a thought. My daughter complained about her LG G3 and the one-sided output from the physical jack. Bluetooth headset solved that but quick
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Maybe by now, you'd arrive at the conclusion bluetooth headset won't do that like conventional physical plug in versions? Just a thought. My daughter complained about her LG G3 and the one-sided output from the physical jack. Bluetooth headset solved that but quick
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Well, the reason I got the v20 was for the DAC. Irony hits in all the right places.
I am in the same dilemma as to what will I replace the V20 with when it knocks out. I got the phone because of the DAC and user replaceable battery. My gripe with LG now is slowness of updating the software.
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The only correct answer is "Nobody knows what the future will bring."
I can take a guess. Since water proofing seems popular now I suspect any openings in the case will be eliminated if possible to please those who think they should teach their phone to swim. That means no replaceable battery and no headphone jack for sure and maybe no more SD cards.
Personally, if I drop my phone in the toilet it's history but for those who like "crappy" phones they must be water proof!
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The Galaxy S5 was waterproof and had a replaceable battery.
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I am in the same dilemma as to what will I replace the V20 with when it knocks out. I got the phone because of the DAC and user replaceable battery. My gripe with LG now is slowness of updating the software.
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Not really slow considering the factors that carriers get in the way. Also going straight to Oreo.
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The Galaxy S5 was water "resistant", not water proof. To be waterproof a phone would need no openings in the case and I suspect that's what they're working toward. Seems silly to me, the V20 just may be my last phone since I like replaceable batteries AND SD cards. I don't need waterproofing (so far) as I've never soaked a phone.
Hope I didn't just jinx myself!
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The Galaxy S5 was waterproof and had a replaceable battery.
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Not really slow considering the factors that carriers get in the way. Also going straight to Oreo.
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Mine was sim free. I would still say its slow considering phones like mate 9 r running Oreo
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I do exactly the same!
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Easy like the one plus 5t (for a sealed battery its pretty easy, if your used to this sort of thing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=l7UvDoj6RZA
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Easy like the one plus 5t (for a sealed battery its pretty easy, if your used to this sort of thing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=l7UvDoj6RZA
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Definitely been around a device or two. I'm usually "tech support" for friends and family. Not an electronics technician, just a hobbyist. I'm actually a machinist. I'll give anything a shot before it goes in the trash.
I've been able to score some "broken" devices and get tons of use after repair, dating back to the OG Droid A855.
(3) Nexus 7 2013. One for my car install, one for my daughter, and one for around the house. 2 of them were broken screens.
My wife's "water damaged" G3, which is still alive going on 3 years after an alcohol bath fix, even after mine started wigging out with SIM errors (baked it, got it working, then bought my US996 a week later).
I've torn down a brand new Galaxy S6 and a broken screen one just to swap the board to recover data, then swap it all back to send in for insurance, lol. That was fun...stupid glass backings.
Baked my brothers V10 to get it to boot. Recover some data, it looped again, disassemble, baked it, assemble, recovered more data, looped, dissassemble, bake, assemble, recover......total of 7 times, lol.
The days of having an easily repairable device with a removable battery are slowly dying. But where there is a will, there is always a way.
It is unfortunate that it seems that way.
I'm okay with Galaxy S5 level of water resistance. I used to wash that phone on the sink constantly, and shower with it. It was enough. So there are ways to still have removable battery covers.
The problem is that most of us that opted for the V20 was for the features it have that no other phones had. If I wanted a AMOLED with always on display I would've go for a Samsung or many others. I prefer the far more useful for me second screen, it works for shortcuts, controls and notifications. Although I wish I could have even more control over it, specially like when playing fullscreen games.
I prefer IPS screens over all others any day. Specially over Samsungs SAMOLEDs, those give me headaches due to its sub pixel alignment.
The Quad-DAC headphone jack is miles ahead of grand majority of phones. On the level of overly priced music players. And the IR is something I need, for in my house family always lose/brake the remotes.
The phone was truly the last phone released for power users, the phone had every tech you could cram it, only missing true stereo speakers. Decent dual cameras with great software, removable battery, mSD, DAC, IR, a second scree, display out, near perfect IPS display, sturdy construction relative to most other phones that brake on first drop.
I seriously have no idea to what phone I would jump to, none satisfy me. Would go for a Razer phone, for the whole project linda thing. But no headphone jack makes it a no.