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Plain and simple: When the Evo is fully charged, it begins running off its battery until you plug it back in. It DOES NOT trickle charge whatsoever after it reaches 100%. When you're using your Evo on the charger, and it's showing full 100% charge, it is running off the battery, not the AC plug. And then when you unplug it, well, we all know what happens next. The battery meter drops insanely fast to the actual charge of the battery, which could be very low, depending on how long it's been sitting idle at 100% on your charger.
So all those times you've charged your Evo overnight, only to take it to work the next day and be at 80% within an hour? Your Evo was running off its battery for what I'm guessing was most of the night. It takes my Evo about an hour to two hours to fully charge back to 100%. Let's say you put your Evo on the charger at 11PM, it'll reach full charge by 1AM at the latest, and then run off its battery until whenever you take it off the charger in the morning.
Workarounds?
1) Turn your Evo off while it's charging.
2) If you must leave it on for an alarm clock, put it in airplane mode and end all CPU intensive tasks to minimize battery drain.
3) When you wake up, unplug it for 10-20 minutes (still experimenting with this number), and then plug it back in to top it off. Once it reaches 100%, take it off the charger, and go about your day.
Try it out for yourself. When your Evo is 100% charged, take it off the charger immediately, and I highly doubt you will lose the 10%-15% within minutes. Please share your findings.
Er... Point of note, mine does it even if I pull it off the charger right when it turns green.
Post some technical schematic or other type of proof that shows that this circuitry isn't available in the EVO. That will prove beyond a doubt if what your saying is true.
That being said, only a group of the most retarded electrical engineers would design a charging system as you've described. It is INSANELY easy to build Li-Polymer charging circuitry that does the following (and it pretty much has to do these):
1. Detects battery temperature, and disables charging as a protective measure. In an emergency case it should shut off the device it's powering to allow the battery to cool down. This is a design requirement, or else your house burns down as you dump water on a Lithium fire thinking it's going to put it out. If you have a HERO, you can easily test this. Running the wireless tethering, GPS/Navigation, and Music with the screen running heats up the phone a ton. You'll notice the status light blink green once, then red a couple of times. This means that it's plugged in but not charging. Cool the phone down and it turns solid red again (charging).
2. Disable charging cycle when battery reaches a certain voltage. VERY SIMPLE voltage detection circuitry! The designer can of course adjust a gap to have charging turn back on when it dips below a certain voltage. Usually since this circuitry can be made with a decent amount of precision, that "turn back on" voltage ends up being roughly when the battery discharges to maybe 99.5%. That's just a guess, I admit but there's no harm in having the circuit switch on and off, even if it's often.
There are also a few other circuits that prevent the cell from blowing up in your pocket, like a current sensor to prevent an overcurrent. There's also some stuff that prevents you from being able to discharge the cell below it's avalanche voltage. In case you don't know what that is, when a Li-Ion battery discharges to a certain voltage, it avalanches to 0 (quickly falls). If it hits that point, you've pretty much ruined the battery and it will never charge the same again.
Anyway, this is stuff they taught and had design labs on back in college. While I have no actual proof that the phone wasn't designed as the OP describes, I find it highly unlikely. If this is the behavior that the circuitry exhibits, I would find it easier to believe that it's a design flaw, probably because some idiot didn't compile the correct bill of materials.
I haven't got any schematics or any sort of technical information on the subject. All I know is, it works wonders for me. When I take my Evo off the charger in the morning, it literally drops to ~90% within minutes. Once it does that, if I place it back on the charger for ~20 minutes, it charges back to 100% and stays there for 45 minutes to an hour.
I'd urge anybody who is noticing the immediate 10% to 15% drop in battery to give this a shot.
I would turn it off while I'm charging it overnight, but I use it as my alarm clock
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I am seeing the exact same behavior as the OP. This is really lame. Because of this, most people will end up losing 10% of their battery every day. Pretty lame.
I charge my phone overnight every night. Never noticed a problem and I just checked my battery and its at 88% and has been off the charger for 2.5hours so I'm not seeing the rapid discharge issue some people are seeing.
I don't think so man, I leave my screen on full brightness while it's charging, and if what you said was true it would go dead on the charger.
I think it's more likely the cells haven’t charged equally, so you get a big initial drop.
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I don't think so man, I leave my screen on full brightness while it's charging, and if what you said was true it would go dead on the charger.
I think it's more likely the cells haven’t charged equally, so you get a big initial drop.
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I'm beginning to think that once the battery reaches 100% full, it runs off the battery until it reaches some arbitrary percentage. At which point it starts charging until it reaches 100% again, and then continues this cycle.
I'm testing a few other things right now. Part of me is convinced it reports 100% charge when it's actually below that level.
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I haven't got any schematics or any sort of technical information on the subject. All I know is, it works wonders for me. When I take my Evo off the charger in the morning, it literally drops to ~90% within minutes. Once it does that, if I place it back on the charger for ~20 minutes, it charges back to 100% and stays there for 45 minutes to an hour.
I'd urge anybody who is noticing the immediate 10% to 15% drop in battery to give this a shot.
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I'll try this out to see if I can get the same kind of behavior. I guess I honestly haven't looked to see if the phone drops 10-15% after pulling it off.
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I'm beginning to think that once the battery reaches 100% full, it runs off the battery until it reaches some arbitrary percentage. At which point it starts charging until it reaches 100% again, and then continues this cycle.
I'm testing a few other things right now. Part of me is convinced it reports 100% charge when it's actually below that level.
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This is what should be happening I believe, but I'd be surprised if it was set to such a huge swing like 10-15%
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I don't think so man, I leave my screen on full brightness while it's charging, and if what you said was true it would go dead on the charger.
I think it's more likely the cells haven’t charged equally, so you get a big initial drop.
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This is an interesting theory. I do know that when you have multiple Li-Ion cells in a battery pack, if they discharge unevenly, you have to go off of the lowest charged cell. Again, if a cell were to drop below the avalanche voltage, you'd ruin the pack all together. On the other hand, the circuitry should let ALL cells charge to 100% so it's even again. Maybe they screwed this up, that design isn't so easy! Perhaps it detects one cell as 100% and shuts off the charge. Therefore, one could surmise that if you started with an unevenly charged battery pack, you'd have an immediate decrease in charge to the rating of the lowest charged cell. The good news (maybe) is that this is sometimes implemented with software. That means that HTC could release a bug fix for this, or if we have a savvy dev, they could try to fix it. We just need to prove the theory though.
This is all just a guess, keep that in mind. If I notice something like this with my phone today, maybe I can tear apart the battery and measure the voltage on each cell (if it even has multiple cells). I have a spare, so maybe I'd be up for this. Krynj (or anyone), if you have the HTC Hero, try charging your battery pack with it, see if it exhibits the same behavior on the Hero itself. If it doesn't, then try putting it back into the EVO and see if after a night of charging, it still drops 10-15% after disconnecting it from the AC.
The reason why the battery dies so fast has something to do with the memory card. Charge your phone and take the SD card out and watch it stay at 100% for a long as time. Then do it again with the SD card in and watch it dip down fast.
Apple laptops don't charge unless battery is below 90%. If you plug in the AC and the battery is above 90%, it will just run off AC power but I don't think the battery drains any then.
My battery life has been less than stellar, but I didn't notice it dropping 10-15% instantly off the charger. I did notice that it'd drop about 10% after driving to work with xiialive streaming, which was unusual to me. The battery would start running out after about 9 hours at work. I'd be in the yellow by the time I got home, and the battery would be complaining for a charge in the evening. So that's roughly 12 hours I would be getting out of the phone after normal use.
Since I'm suspecting an issue with the charging circuitry, I just recently tried charging my battery with the Hero. After it was fully charged, I put it back into my EVO last night and haven't charged it since. It's been running 13 hours, and is still nearly full green. The charge is at about 70%. I've been trying to graph the discharge all day too. It only dropped to 87% over night, dropped to 80% when I drove to work (xiialive), and then down to 74% after I spent some time setting up icons and modifying my home screen. This is...hands down a butt ton better than the past week.
I'm not using 4G.
WiFi is off.
3G is on.
GPS is on.
Not running a live wallpaper.
Sync is running at default settings.
Widgets that could be updating constantly:
I have the Clock/Weather HTC widget running.
I have the Dictionary.com "word of the day" widget.
I have the Friendstream Widget running.
Craigslist Craignotifica app is running, set to notify me with search results.
The results are inconclusive though. Yesterday, I wiped and re-flashed DamageControl 3.2.x from scratch (backed up all apps with Ti-Backup, this means Android Market won't be notifying me if there are app updates -grumble-). So, somewhere between re-flashing and also charging my battery with the Hero caused this turn around.
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The reason why the battery dies so fast has something to do with the memory card. Charge your phone and take the SD card out and watch it stay at 100% for a long as time. Then do it again with the SD card in and watch it dip down fast.
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Interesting.....Will have to give a try. Will report back later.
I'm waiting for some definitive results with the "use another charging device or battery" method. It seems that the EVO just sucks at recharging the battery since people who have used another phone or a separate charger seem to report better results.
I leave my phone off at night and charge it - when I turn it on in the morning it still drops 5-10% in the first 20 minutes. But during the day it drops REALLY slow, so I still can get about 13-16 hours before 15% easily.
I have manual account sync, 3g only, wifi at home, usually gps is off, auto backlight settings for screen, and I don't run too many apps in the background, I just use them when I need them.
Has anybody found a solution to this? It's really starting to bother me. I've noticed that I don't seem to have the issue if I charge -> recovery -> wipe battery stats -> reboot. That kind of leads me to believe that something is inaccurate about the battery stats and the phone instead uses the actual raw value provided by the battery instead of whatever it is that it does with the battery stats.
I can tell you this, I bought two of the cheap battery chargers off of ebay and I have two OEM evo batteries. I don't even plug my phone in anymore. I get an hour of standby at 100% from those chargers and it falls instantly when charging from the phone. I just run them down then swap them out. I couldn't be happier and they are only like 10 bucks each with 2 batteries each.
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I can tell you this, I bought two of the cheap battery chargers off of ebay and I have two OEM evo batteries. I don't even plug my phone in anymore. I get an hour of standby at 100% from those chargers and it falls instantly when charging from the phone. I just run them down then swap them out. I couldn't be happier and they are only like 10 bucks each with 2 batteries each.
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can you post a link or ebay or where ever u bought it from?
Try this I'm doing it from the phone
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250641711190&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_1991wt_913
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apollooff320 said:
The reason why the battery dies so fast has something to do with the memory card. Charge your phone and take the SD card out and watch it stay at 100% for a long as time. Then do it again with the SD card in and watch it dip down fast.
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If you have apps on your sd card that are running then yes that could be the case. SD cards need power to work but I dont know how much they draw..
Hi!
I'm about to receive the Kindle Fire, and I try to cure my curiosity by finding answers to all my questions. XDA has answered most of them, but I've one more question I hope you can help me with.
I know I'll spend a lot of time using the Kindle Fire at home, mostly reading and listening to music. My question is therefore: How should I charge and use the Kindle? Let's say the battery is 100%, and I plug in the charger and start reading - will the Kindle continue to charge it, use some, charge it (100%, 98%, 100%, 98%...), or stop the charging completely and power it directly from the charger?
Will I shorten the lifetime of the battery by plugging in the charger if the battery level is 100%? I know it's good for the battery to be used, so I'll of course do that from time to time.
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Hi!
I'm about to receive the Kindle Fire, and I try to cure my curiosity by finding answers to all my questions. XDA has answered most of them, but I've one more question I hope you can help me with.
I know I'll spend a lot of time using the Kindle Fire at home, mostly reading and listening to music. My question is therefore: How should I charge and use the Kindle? Let's say the battery is 100%, and I plug in the charger and start reading - will the Kindle continue to charge it, use some, charge it (100%, 98%, 100%, 98%...), or stop the charging completely and power it directly from the charger?
Will I shorten the lifetime of the battery by plugging in the charger if the battery level is 100%? I know it's good for the battery to be used, so I'll of course do that from time to time.
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The life spam of the charger will shorten but not the kindle. If ur kindle is at 100 then the charger wellkeep it at 100.
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If im not mistaken, I believe its good to fully drain and recharge your battery once in a while(since the battery is li-ion) to maintain the lifespan of the battery.
As for needing to be tethered to the wall by the charger, I have not found that as something I need to do at home, especially since I prefer to move around.
In short you can just use the kindle normally while letting the battery normally discharge and then recharge it when it starts to get low. To help with the battery life you should also adjust the brightness according to the light.
Yes, thank you for your answers The reason as to why I'm a bit concerned about this is that I've seen laptop batteries' capacities getting seriously reduced after having the battery installed while having the charger connected simultaneously at all times. I guess this is due to bad charging control, and that the chargers have tried to charge the batteries even though they were 100%.
Since the Kindle Fire has a non-removable battery (more or less...), I would like to treat my battery as good as possible
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Yes, thank you for your answers The reason as to why I'm a bit concerned about this is that I've seen laptop batteries' capacities getting seriously reduced after having the battery installed while having the charger connected simultaneously at all times. I guess this is due to bad charging control, and that the chargers have tried to charge the batteries even though they were 100%.
Since the Kindle Fire has a non-removable battery (more or less...), I would like to treat my battery as good as possible
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You don't need to worry about kindle fire battery, trust me, it's very good. My Kindle Fire doesn't get charged when the AC Adapter is connected, don't know if it's only me since I don't use an US Charger. I can charge only in sleep mode.
Remember to turn wifi off when you don't need it, even if it is in sleep mode. You will see that the battery will last much longer with wifi off.
Regarding charging kindle fire, I always use it till 30% and then I charge it Full.
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My battery is sometimes lasting over 4 days with light use so charging is not a frequent thing. I always drain the battery to less than 5% before recharging. I can start a 25 minutes tv show when I'm at less than 10% and not worry about the battery dying before the show is over.
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Yes, thank you for your answers The reason as to why I'm a bit concerned about this is that I've seen laptop batteries' capacities getting seriously reduced after having the battery installed while having the charger connected simultaneously at all times. I guess this is due to bad charging control, and that the chargers have tried to charge the batteries even though they were 100%.
Since the Kindle Fire has a non-removable battery (more or less...), I would like to treat my battery as good as possible
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These Li-Ion batteries and charging circuits have built in protection circuits to prevent themselves from ever being overcharged (because overcharging a LiIon battery can cause thermal runaway, i.e. it gets extremely hot and then explodes).
That problem you've seen with laptop batteries can still happen to any Li-Ion battery though (assuming those were Li-Ion laptop batteries too. NiMh batters have their own problems). The problem isn't overcharging the battery but in keeping it at a high charge state for a long time without cycling it. I don't know where these figures come from, but I've been told that to maintain consistent battery life over time you should let your Li-Ion batterys run down every two weeks or so, that for long-term storage when not being used they should be left at around 40% charge, and that not charging them past 80% full can even extend the life of the battery
I don't fancy myself a battery expert, but damn are there some shady information here.
Here's the "down low":
For Li-based batteries (pretty much all modern electronics), they have limited life from the get go, a limited charge cycle (how many times it can get discharged / charged).
If you leave it plugged in at all times, despite what you may think, this will actually KILL the battery very quickly. Why? Batteries are not kept charged at full 100% (it can cause long-term damage if it does so). It charges to 100%, and drains up to 10%, and keeps it steady at that level. If it gets lower, it recharges again (there goes your limited charge cycle in a flash).
What you should do is charge it full, unplug, and recharge when it's "used" (e.g. 30-80%), not when it's almost full (waste of the cycle), or when it's almost empty (suffers too much stress).
Avoid hot areas (leaving the battery / device in a hot car), as heat also reduces the lifetime of the cycles.
For long term storage, as boomn said, 40%, cool and dry place is ideal.
For more info, read it here at Battery University.
Ignore everything above for Ni-based batteries. I won't go into details on prolonging Ni-based battery's life since it's not relevant here, but you can read up on that site Battery University (charging and discharging).
Thank you so much for your replies! A lot of great information here, especially your last answer, Printerscape. Hope to keep my battery in shape for a long time.
Can't wait to get my Kindle... and yes, first 100%, then I'll unplug it and use it for some hours. It will be interesting to see if user replaceable batteries will be offered for the Kindle Fire in the future. After having seen the iFixit teardown, it seems to be a reasonable task.
Printerscape said:
What you should do is charge it full, unplug, and recharge when it's "used" (e.g. 30-80%), not when it's almost full (waste of the cycle), or when it's almost empty (suffers too much stress).
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I was under the impression that a charge cycle doesn't happen every time you get to 100%. Say you run it down to 50%, charge it to 100%, run it down to 50% then charge it to 100% again, only then it would count as a full charge cycle.
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I was under the impression that a charge cycle doesn't happen every time you get to 100%. Say you run it down to 50%, charge it to 100%, run it down to 50% then charge it to 100% again, only then it would count as a full charge cycle.
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This is my impression as well. Apple mentions the same thing regarding charging and cycles: http://www.apple.com/batteries/:
For instance, you could listen to your iPod for a few hours one day, using half its power, and then recharge it fully. If you did the same thing the next day, it would count as one charge cycle, not two, so you may take several days to complete a cycle.
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I charge my phone overnight, from around 10PM to 8AM, then I leave my phone charging in its dock from about 9AM to 5PM during the work day...
any harm in doing this? I'd like my phone to last quite a while, as we are currently in a serious relationship, and I don't plan on letting her go....
What hurts your phone battery is not charging it but keeping it on high temperatures for a long time. And guess what keeps it on high temperatures: yep, you guessed it, charging for a long time.
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While it always depends on the charging circuit, keeping your battery topped up by constant charging (even trickle maintenance) will reduce the voltage level that it can be charged to. This will take quite some time to notice, and several deeper charging cycles will "repair" this to a certain extent. But with any battery, keeping it any constant level will reduce its charging capacity, and continual charging (trickle or otherwise) will "cook" the batteries chemical make up sooner.
To do what you're doing everyday will absolutely have an impact on your battery's health over the long term. But to exactly what extent is based on several factors I don't have specific data on.
Absolutely, our phone battery is designed for mobile usage, not to be tethered to a charger constantly. Constant charging is unnecessary, wasteful and leads to early battery demise.
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And aren't our high end modern phones also designed to trickle charge when it gets to %100, so no harm can come to it?
caliber177 said:
And aren't our high end modern phones also designed to trickle charge when it gets to %100, so no harm can come to it?
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I suppose it depends on how you define "harm". Read my post above again. Any level of current that is continually supplied to a charged battery will accelerate the aging of it.
Even if the charger were to shut off completely, and then resume charging at a certain level (which I believe is the behavior of the LG wireless charger at 95%), continually discharging and recharging from 95% to 100% is probably not ideal.
But all of this is probably not all that great of an affect in the grand scheme of things. You're not gonna kill your battery in a matter of months by leaving on the charger all of the time. Yes you will accelerate the degradation of the battery's health over time, but if your phone is in use enough so the battery is being discharged regularly between charges, I doubt that you will notice it for a long time, if at all.
I can say that if you simply leave it charging 24/7 without any other kind of use you will be able to measure degradation surprisingly soon. As to how noticeable it will be is very hard to say.
I use and suggest Battery Monitor Widget from 3c. It takes the guess work out of what you see when you're charging and what happens to the phone when it reaches 100%.
As the phone gradually reaches 90%, charging is noticeably slowed. From about 92-100% it trickle charges from around 300 to 200 to 100mA until it reaches 100%. Charger stops charging when full and lets the battery level drop slightly before charging it back to 100%. You're constantly topping it off at full and batteries of this chemistry don't like that.
As far as I can recall, these types of batteries actually thrive on being run down and cycled back up. The only catch is, don't run them down until it's completely dead. You've significantly cut the life of your battery if you do it quite often.
To answer your question, it probably doesn't hurt that much. If you do it for months, maybe years. Yeah, you'll see some degradation.
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As far as I can recall, these types of batteries actually thrive on being run down and cycled back up.
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I would correct this and say the battery loves being near the median. Store at 40% battery! 100%-0% is bad... 100%-10% is better, 90/10 is better etc...
80/40 is really good for preserving charge cycles. Basically, charging at 30% back up to 70% is better than letting it go down to 0%
Note: this is a REALLY good battery in this phone. Just USE it until you feel it's dying too soon and buy a new one. Batteries are cheap and will be cheaper in 2-3 years.
But we can't buy battery for this phone.. I always let it run down to 14% that's when the warning message pops up.. Then back up, charges in 2 1/2 hrs then I leave it on an hour more until I leave from work so I could have a full phone.. Note, I work over nights, so its dead at around 2 or 3 am sometimes, then I leave at 6 am..
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Please... I would say we can in a few months! Most of us have already voided the warranty
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Most of us in here don't keep our phones long enough to notice any battery degradation..
Just charge it as often as you can but unplug it when it's full.
To be safe I would let the phone idle off of the work charger and only plug in at home.
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To be safe I would let the phone idle off of the work charger and only plug in at home.
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Agreed, I only charge once a day and it's usually sufficient, if your a heavy user and are concerned about the phone dying at night, let the phone decharge normally throughout the day and plug it in an hour or an hour and a half before you leave, however long it takes to charge the device after a workday's worth of usage (Whatever that is for you)
I do this myself if I'm using my phone heavily during the day and know I'll be out all night. Like some said you'll probably never even notice the degradation, but when you know it's not good for the battery in the strictest sense why risk it, the phones aren't designed to be charging 2/3rd of the time, they are designed to be charged and then taken off the charger and used.
I've got a question.... I leave my phone charging overnight on the pillow next to me and use the phone in the morning still plugged in to check emails, browse news etc and only remove the charger when I'm done and going to work...
Is this good for the phone and the battery or am I better off unplugging and then recharging when low again?
My method above keeps me charged up for the day's use as otherwise I would need to charge again at work..
What do you guys think?
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As long as you are using the original Cable+Charger, you aren't harming the phone or battery at all. Technology on batteries and chargers are amazing now, especially with usb-c.
i leave my 6p the whole nights too nothing happens. Just use the original charger and cable and youll be fine.
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As long as you are using the original Cable+Charger, you aren't harming the phone or battery at all. Technology on batteries and chargers are amazing now, especially with usb-c.
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Not entirely true, see below.
mchu6am4 said:
I've got a question.... I leave my phone charging overnight on the pillow next to me and use the phone in the morning still plugged in to check emails, browse news etc and only remove the charger when I'm done and going to work...
Is this good for the phone and the battery or am I better off unplugging and then recharging when low again?
My method above keeps me charged up for the day's use as otherwise I would need to charge again at work..
What do you guys think?
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While you can't overcharge the battery, leaving it connected like that will degrade the long term life of the battery. A lithium battery shouldn't sit at peak voltage (100%) for extended periods of time. Here are a couple of really good articles:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/do_and_dont_battery_table
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
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Not entirely true, see below.
While you can't overcharge the battery, leaving it connected like that will degrade the long term life of the battery. A lithium battery shouldn't sit at peak voltage (100%) for extended periods of time. Here are a couple of really good articles:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/do_and_dont_battery_table
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
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This is correct in my experience, and is one of the reasons why the battery life on laptops tends to go right to crap . . . because people just let them sit on the charger constantly. IIRC, ideally you want to let it drain to around 20%, charge to full, let it drain, etc. Never let it completely die, and long-term storage should be at around 40% charge. No one does this perfectly because it would be such a hassle but in general this is what keeps lithium-ion batteries happy.
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This is correct in my experience, and is one of the reasons why the battery life on laptops tends to go right to crap . . . because people just let them sit on the charger constantly. IIRC, ideally you want to let it drain to around 20%, charge to full, let it drain, etc. Never let it completely die, and long-term storage should be at around 40% charge. No one does this perfectly because it would be such a hassle but in general this is what keeps lithium-ion batteries happy.
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You're pretty much right on the money there. I think three ideal range is between 40%-80% though. Small top up changes are the best way to charge lithium batteries.
20% is too low. Charge cycles slowly degrade the battery. 80% is a good number, but failing that 100% is a better option than continually cycling it. But this is a phone we're talking about not a laptop. I would imagine cycling is what's going to happen to it in most normal usage scenarios.
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Many thanks for all the responses much appreciated.. I'll have to work out a way of not having to charge overnight as this is the only time I leave it plugged in for extended periods!
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Do you let your battery drop down to 5% before connecting the charger? Or do you charge every moment you get the chance to keep battery at max?
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Battery łasts a long time as it usually goes off the charger at 7 a.m. I charge it while sleeping. Occasionally out of habit I will charge it while I'm driving in the car but for about 15 minutes. Otherwise, I am very happy with the battery.
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markwebb said:
Battery my a long time as it usually goes off the charger at 7 a.m. I charge it while sleeping. Occasionally out of habit I will charge it while I'm driving in the car but for about 15 minutes. Otherwise, I am very happy with the battery.
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I'm not an expert, but all I've heard is charging over night or after it hits 100% is bad. Why I don't know, but I try to charge my phone when it reaches everywhere from 15-30 to 95-100 then remove the charger.
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I'm not constantly on my phone, so usually charge it up to 80% and recharge when it drops to 40%. I only charge it to 100% when I am out and about for the whole day. See the following link for charging advice:
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/mobile-phone/how-charge-phones-battery-3619623/
Namyep said:
I'm not an expert, but all I've heard is charging over night or after it hits 100% is bad. Why I don't know, but I try to charge my phone when it reaches everywhere from 15-30 to 95-100 then remove the charger.
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Overcharging won't happen on a advanced device like the S7.
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Namyep said:
I'm not an expert, but all I've heard is charging over night or after it hits 100% is bad. Why I don't know, but I try to charge my phone when it reaches everywhere from 15-30 to 95-100 then remove the charger.
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Nah, that's old news. Modern chargers and devices know when they've hit 100%, so they stop charging at that point and lets the battery dip down to 98-99% before trickle charging up to 100 again, and so on until you unplug. It's completely safe, and you shouldn't trust all those garbage click-bait articles out there. Do not, however, go down to 0% before you recharge it. That can actually damage the cells in your battery, so plug it into the charger before that. If you notice some funky behavior from the battery, like if it's jumping from 30% to 20% in five minutes, or is stuck at 10% for an hour, then it's a good idea to completely drain it to 0% to calibrate the battery since the OS has no idea how much battery is left (so it knows where 0 is again). This will usually happen after flashing a different ROM. Charge it up to 100 again and it should be back to normal.
I personally charge it normally at night, without quick charge, since there's no point in having it quick charge while I'm a sleep for around 8 hours. I'll only quick charge it in the middle of the day, which is almost never, since the battery is freakin' awesome.
Don't worry about the battery too much, but don't reach 0% too often, and you'll be good. By too often, I mean every 3-4 months or so is OK. I base these things from my Sony device which I've had for almost 3 years. The (sealed in) battery was very good out-of-the-box, and it's still very good after nearly three years, so I won't mess with a proven success.
To be safe on the longevity of the battery I use one of these with my wireless charger :
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003P...mer+outlet&dpPl=1&dpID=31OAEbif0lL&ref=plSrch
My battery is usually around 30-40% at the end of the day. I use the regular speed Samsung Charging Pad and set the timer on this outlet for 3 hours when I go to bed. So after 3 hours it stops charging and I don't have to worry about the possibility of damaging the battery (I know about trickle charging, but I think this is better)
Ive read somewhere that the new s7 edge charger doesnt have a power inverter so it keeps charging and wasting power which could damage the charger or possibly device. So know if thats correct.
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To be safe on the longevity of the battery I use one of these with my wireless charger :
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003P...mer+outlet&dpPl=1&dpID=31OAEbif0lL&ref=plSrch
My battery is usually around 30-40% at the end of the day. I use the regular speed Samsung Charging Pad and set the timer on this outlet for 3 hours when I go to bed. So after 3 hours it stops charging and I don't have to worry about the possibility of damaging the battery (I know about trickle charging, but I think this is better)
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I just purchased one of those...thanks for the advice. I charge my device when get around 20%-30% of battery and left charging over night ( when sleeping) on my standard Samsung wireless charging. My battery is just ok.. I'm not so heavy user and sometimes I have to charge around 8pm or so. I take off from the charger at 100% all morning around 8am.
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At home. I do wireless when ever i can. If im not using the phone then i sit it on a wireless charger.
Battery hasnt drop pass 30% in the week i had the phone.
My note edge would drop pretty low because i didnt use wireless charging. So my phone would just sit in my pocket slowly draining.
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Ive read somewhere that the new s7 edge charger doesnt have a power inverter so it keeps charging and wasting power which could damage the charger or possibly device. So know if thats correct.
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Whatever you read, either you misunderstood, or the person that typed it was a bumbling idiot. A power inverter converts DC power to AC. Your source/utility power is already AC. A USB charger is merely an AC adapter made for USB. The phone has integrated circuitry that controls when and when not to charge the battery and at what amperage.
I usually let mine get to around 5% everytime. Then charge it back fully to 100%.
J.Biden said:
Nah, that's old news. Modern chargers and devices know when they've hit 100%, so they stop charging at that point and lets the battery dip down to 98-99% before trickle charging up to 100 again, and so on until you unplug. It's completely safe, and you shouldn't trust all those garbage click-bait articles out there. Do not, however, go down to 0% before you recharge it. That can actually damage the cells in your battery, so plug it into the charger before that. If you notice some funky behavior from the battery, like if it's jumping from 30% to 20% in five minutes, or is stuck at 10% for an hour, then it's a good idea to completely drain it to 0% to calibrate the battery since the OS has no idea how much battery is left (so it knows where 0 is again). This will usually happen after flashing a different ROM. Charge it up to 100 again and it should be back to normal.
I personally charge it normally at night, without quick charge, since there's no point in having it quick charge while I'm a sleep for around 8 hours. I'll only quick charge it in the middle of the day, which is almost never, since the battery is freakin' awesome.
Don't worry about the battery too much, but don't reach 0% too often, and you'll be good. By too often, I mean every 3-4 months or so is OK. I base these things from my Sony device which I've had for almost 3 years. The (sealed in) battery was very good out-of-the-box, and it's still very good after nearly three years, so I won't mess with a proven success.
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Thanks for the details information. I figured the technology is so advanced with batteries that overcharging is in the past.
t12icky0 said:
I usually let mine get to around 5% everytime. Then charge it back fully to 100%.
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+1 :good:
J.Biden said:
Nah, that's old news. Modern chargers and devices know when they've hit 100%, so they stop charging at that point and lets the battery dip down to 98-99% before trickle charging up to 100 again, and so on until you unplug. It's completely safe, and you shouldn't trust all those garbage click-bait articles out there. Do not, however, go down to 0% before you recharge it. That can actually damage the cells in your battery, so plug it into the charger before that. If you notice some funky behavior from the battery, like if it's jumping from 30% to 20% in five minutes, or is stuck at 10% for an hour, then it's a good idea to completely drain it to 0% to calibrate the battery since the OS has no idea how much battery is left (so it knows where 0 is again). This will usually happen after flashing a different ROM. Charge it up to 100 again and it should be back to normal.
I personally charge it normally at night, without quick charge, since there's no point in having it quick charge while I'm a sleep for around 8 hours. I'll only quick charge it in the middle of the day, which is almost never, since the battery is freakin' awesome.
Don't worry about the battery too much, but don't reach 0% too often, and you'll be good. By too often, I mean every 3-4 months or so is OK. I base these things from my Sony device which I've had for almost 3 years. The (sealed in) battery was very good out-of-the-box, and it's still very good after nearly three years, so I won't mess with a proven success.
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I reach 5% max, is it a problem for the battery's life?
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+1 :good:
I reach 5% max, is it a problem for the battery's life?
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Not at all, but just try to not discharge the battery completely to the point where it turns itself off. It won't ruin the battery to the point where you actually notice it there, but it's better if you just turn the phone off if you're able to (unless it's an emergency, of course).
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Not at all, but just try to not discharge the battery completely to the point where it turns itself off. It won't ruin the battery to the point where you actually notice it there, but it's better if you just turn the phone off if you're able to (unless it's an emergency, of course).
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I never discharge the battery completely, like I said I use until battery is max at 5% [emoji3]
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I charge it when it hits 20%. But i dont use the fast charging unless i need a quick top up
Does it hurt the battery to charge the phone with a different charger ?
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I never used the fast charging, I think that slowly charging a battery is better for the lifetime. Most of the time it is below 10 % before I plug it in and I also want it to be at 100% and ready (green LED) when I unplug it.
my note 3 battery is still superb and I got the phone since 2013
Best way to keep a battery in good health is to charge it to full before you start using it. Also, try and never charge it until it's less than 50%. Charging it overnight is perfectly fine it won't hurt anything but once ina while, at least say once a month let the battery drain all the way, try to turn it back on if it goes off sometimes there is still some juice left and it might start up, once it won't start anymore try and charge it without turning it on to full. I wouldn't do it more than say a couple times a month any more than that is overkill and may do more harm than good. These are the guidelines I use and I have never had battery issues. I currently am waiting for my S7 Edge and on my Nexus 6 I usually get 48+ hours with 4+ hours SoT. I'm just an average user currently.