Hi!
I'm about to receive the Kindle Fire, and I try to cure my curiosity by finding answers to all my questions. XDA has answered most of them, but I've one more question I hope you can help me with.
I know I'll spend a lot of time using the Kindle Fire at home, mostly reading and listening to music. My question is therefore: How should I charge and use the Kindle? Let's say the battery is 100%, and I plug in the charger and start reading - will the Kindle continue to charge it, use some, charge it (100%, 98%, 100%, 98%...), or stop the charging completely and power it directly from the charger?
Will I shorten the lifetime of the battery by plugging in the charger if the battery level is 100%? I know it's good for the battery to be used, so I'll of course do that from time to time.
hachiueno said:
Hi!
I'm about to receive the Kindle Fire, and I try to cure my curiosity by finding answers to all my questions. XDA has answered most of them, but I've one more question I hope you can help me with.
I know I'll spend a lot of time using the Kindle Fire at home, mostly reading and listening to music. My question is therefore: How should I charge and use the Kindle? Let's say the battery is 100%, and I plug in the charger and start reading - will the Kindle continue to charge it, use some, charge it (100%, 98%, 100%, 98%...), or stop the charging completely and power it directly from the charger?
Will I shorten the lifetime of the battery by plugging in the charger if the battery level is 100%? I know it's good for the battery to be used, so I'll of course do that from time to time.
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The life spam of the charger will shorten but not the kindle. If ur kindle is at 100 then the charger wellkeep it at 100.
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If im not mistaken, I believe its good to fully drain and recharge your battery once in a while(since the battery is li-ion) to maintain the lifespan of the battery.
As for needing to be tethered to the wall by the charger, I have not found that as something I need to do at home, especially since I prefer to move around.
In short you can just use the kindle normally while letting the battery normally discharge and then recharge it when it starts to get low. To help with the battery life you should also adjust the brightness according to the light.
Yes, thank you for your answers The reason as to why I'm a bit concerned about this is that I've seen laptop batteries' capacities getting seriously reduced after having the battery installed while having the charger connected simultaneously at all times. I guess this is due to bad charging control, and that the chargers have tried to charge the batteries even though they were 100%.
Since the Kindle Fire has a non-removable battery (more or less...), I would like to treat my battery as good as possible
hachiueno said:
Yes, thank you for your answers The reason as to why I'm a bit concerned about this is that I've seen laptop batteries' capacities getting seriously reduced after having the battery installed while having the charger connected simultaneously at all times. I guess this is due to bad charging control, and that the chargers have tried to charge the batteries even though they were 100%.
Since the Kindle Fire has a non-removable battery (more or less...), I would like to treat my battery as good as possible
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You don't need to worry about kindle fire battery, trust me, it's very good. My Kindle Fire doesn't get charged when the AC Adapter is connected, don't know if it's only me since I don't use an US Charger. I can charge only in sleep mode.
Remember to turn wifi off when you don't need it, even if it is in sleep mode. You will see that the battery will last much longer with wifi off.
Regarding charging kindle fire, I always use it till 30% and then I charge it Full.
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My battery is sometimes lasting over 4 days with light use so charging is not a frequent thing. I always drain the battery to less than 5% before recharging. I can start a 25 minutes tv show when I'm at less than 10% and not worry about the battery dying before the show is over.
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hachiueno said:
Yes, thank you for your answers The reason as to why I'm a bit concerned about this is that I've seen laptop batteries' capacities getting seriously reduced after having the battery installed while having the charger connected simultaneously at all times. I guess this is due to bad charging control, and that the chargers have tried to charge the batteries even though they were 100%.
Since the Kindle Fire has a non-removable battery (more or less...), I would like to treat my battery as good as possible
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These Li-Ion batteries and charging circuits have built in protection circuits to prevent themselves from ever being overcharged (because overcharging a LiIon battery can cause thermal runaway, i.e. it gets extremely hot and then explodes).
That problem you've seen with laptop batteries can still happen to any Li-Ion battery though (assuming those were Li-Ion laptop batteries too. NiMh batters have their own problems). The problem isn't overcharging the battery but in keeping it at a high charge state for a long time without cycling it. I don't know where these figures come from, but I've been told that to maintain consistent battery life over time you should let your Li-Ion batterys run down every two weeks or so, that for long-term storage when not being used they should be left at around 40% charge, and that not charging them past 80% full can even extend the life of the battery
I don't fancy myself a battery expert, but damn are there some shady information here.
Here's the "down low":
For Li-based batteries (pretty much all modern electronics), they have limited life from the get go, a limited charge cycle (how many times it can get discharged / charged).
If you leave it plugged in at all times, despite what you may think, this will actually KILL the battery very quickly. Why? Batteries are not kept charged at full 100% (it can cause long-term damage if it does so). It charges to 100%, and drains up to 10%, and keeps it steady at that level. If it gets lower, it recharges again (there goes your limited charge cycle in a flash).
What you should do is charge it full, unplug, and recharge when it's "used" (e.g. 30-80%), not when it's almost full (waste of the cycle), or when it's almost empty (suffers too much stress).
Avoid hot areas (leaving the battery / device in a hot car), as heat also reduces the lifetime of the cycles.
For long term storage, as boomn said, 40%, cool and dry place is ideal.
For more info, read it here at Battery University.
Ignore everything above for Ni-based batteries. I won't go into details on prolonging Ni-based battery's life since it's not relevant here, but you can read up on that site Battery University (charging and discharging).
Thank you so much for your replies! A lot of great information here, especially your last answer, Printerscape. Hope to keep my battery in shape for a long time.
Can't wait to get my Kindle... and yes, first 100%, then I'll unplug it and use it for some hours. It will be interesting to see if user replaceable batteries will be offered for the Kindle Fire in the future. After having seen the iFixit teardown, it seems to be a reasonable task.
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What you should do is charge it full, unplug, and recharge when it's "used" (e.g. 30-80%), not when it's almost full (waste of the cycle), or when it's almost empty (suffers too much stress).
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I was under the impression that a charge cycle doesn't happen every time you get to 100%. Say you run it down to 50%, charge it to 100%, run it down to 50% then charge it to 100% again, only then it would count as a full charge cycle.
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I was under the impression that a charge cycle doesn't happen every time you get to 100%. Say you run it down to 50%, charge it to 100%, run it down to 50% then charge it to 100% again, only then it would count as a full charge cycle.
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This is my impression as well. Apple mentions the same thing regarding charging and cycles: http://www.apple.com/batteries/:
For instance, you could listen to your iPod for a few hours one day, using half its power, and then recharge it fully. If you did the same thing the next day, it would count as one charge cycle, not two, so you may take several days to complete a cycle.
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Should I charge it for like 10 hours, then play with it? or you think its ok to just start playing out of the box.
I've heard stories..where you should, and where it's not necessary.
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lin013190 said:
Should I charge it for like 10 hours, then play with it? or you think its ok to just start playing out of the box.
I've heard stories..where you should, and where it's not necessary.
Thanks
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Mine came nearly full. I just plugged it into charger out of the box and played with it while it was charging
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With any new phone I always play with it till it dies and then plug it in and charge for 8 hours and then power it on and good to go
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Hmm, I see.:cyclops:
With every electronic gadget using Lithium-ion batteries nowadays, it doesn't really matter how/when you charge it.
Some would argue to make sure to allow a full discharge from a full charge from a battery calibration point of view, so the battery meter is more accurate. It wouldn't affect the health of the battery itself either way.
Things like memory effect doesn't apply to lithium-ion. How often you charge it and how much you charge it (full or partial charge etc.) doesn't affect it much either. The only 2 things that can potential kill a lithium-ion is high temperature and letting it discharge far too low to the point that it cannot be charged up again. Note that all electronic devices will power off way before it even reaches this threshold.
What makaijin says is correct
I had mine a bit of a charge yesterday but it was no where near full.
Used it till it was flat this morning. It's currently on charge and I'm going to leave it till it's full only because I need to stop messing with it and do other things
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I charged mine for 4 hours before use.
Although it is probably not necessary nowadays, I like to fully discharge the device, then charge it overnight (so it gets back up to 100% and tops off), then cycle it that way 2/3 times, so properly "condition" the battery, as I don't 100% trust the conditioning done before shipping.
Just as a side note, most of the battery conditioning lore is coming from way back in the bad ol' nicad days (probably 1990's), when you HAD to 100% discharge/recharge the battery, and make sure it didn't overcharge or undercharge, else it would not be "conditioned" properly, and it had a permanently reduced max charge. Nowadays, expecially with Lion, it is not necessary, and may even be harmful to fully discharge/recharge cycle EVERY time you use it. The first few times it's probably best to do it to fully condition the battery, but beyond that, it really does nothing.
hanthesolo said:
Although it is probably not necessary nowadays, I like to fully discharge the device, then charge it overnight (so it gets back up to 100% and tops off), then cycle it that way 2/3 times, so properly "condition" the battery, as I don't 100% trust the conditioning done before shipping.
Just as a side note, most of the battery conditioning lore is coming from way back in the bad ol' nicad days (probably 1990's), when you HAD to 100% discharge/recharge the battery, and make sure it didn't overcharge or undercharge, else it would not be "conditioned" properly, and it had a permanently reduced max charge. Nowadays, expecially with Lion, it is not necessary, and may even be harmful to fully discharge/recharge cycle EVERY time you use it. The first few times it's probably best to do it to fully condition the battery, but beyond that, it really does nothing.
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"Conditioning" does not occur with li-on batteries, period. Charging/discharging does absolutely nothing for the life of your battery.
Ifixit shows that the battery inside the Nexus 7 is Lithium Polymer. Does that make a difference in terms of conditioning compared to Li-Ion batteries?
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"Conditioning" does not occur with li-on batteries, period. Charging/discharging does absolutely nothing for the life of your battery.
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Oh, thanks. I thought that was my being paranoid .
Lithium Polymer batteries are actually worse than Lithium-Ion. Don't take my word for it, but at least with older RC Lipo batteries, fully discharging damages them even more the lithium-ion. I am sure the tablet cuts off way before the danger point, but still something to keep in mind.
Here's the deal- and this has been verified on multiple devices with larger batteries- Your tablet will need to self-calibrate the battery meter/charging to the battery. You can expect things like sketchy battery life and running down very low or completely overnight for the first couple days. Once everything "syncs up", you can take advantage of the full potential of the battery. This happened with my Razr Maxx and it happened on my Nexus 7's first overnight. And, talking to people who have had their Nexus 7's a few days, it's common and expected.
As said, it is NOT the battery conditioning, it is the device calibrating. The battery is pretty big and there's a period of time while the device learns.
I decided to drain the battery all the way and then charge it all the way up. It's charging right now actually, any idea how long it should take to get up to 100%?
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phoneman09 said:
I decided to drain the battery all the way and then charge it all the way up. It's charging right now actually, any idea how long it should take to get up to 100%?
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Not sure but you can always tap the power button to pull up the battery charge animation. It should let you know when it is fully charged.
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Over discharging a Lithium Ion battery can ruin it in a single cycle. Of course any consumer device should shut off before that happens but deep discharges to the shut off point still permanently reduce battery capacity significantly more than shallower discharge cycles.
In simple terms, you'll get significantly more hours of battery use during its lifetime if you only discharge to 50% than 10% or less.
Lithium Ion batteries never need to be "fully discharged" to the device shut off point and as stated above, it isn't "good" for them.
That said, a discharge from fully charged to at or near shutoff let's the device software measure the battery capacity more accurately so you'll get a more accurate battery reading.
Lithium Ion batteries should not be charged at elevated temperatures. If you just watched a two hour movie, let it cool down before charging. A tablet is a nasty place for a battery with the CPU heating it up. Most manufacturers advise not charging at > 85 deg F and 70 deg F is better. A really good charger will measure battery temperature and reduce the max charging rate at elevated temperatures.
Lithium Ion batteries should be stored at 50-70% capacity and not fully charged. That's ~3.7 V per cell. Those of us who use the device a lot on external power would see a lot longer battery life if there was a mode which allowed keeping the battery below 100% while on external power. It seems every manufacturer thinks consumers are too dumb to understand the value of providing it and switching to full charge mode before we run off on battery power.
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Over discharging a Lithium Ion battery can ruin it in a single cycle. Of course any consumer device should shut off before that happens but deep discharges to the shut off point still permanently reduce battery capacity significantly more than shallower discharge cycles.
In simple terms, you'll get significantly more hours of battery use during its lifetime if you only discharge to 50% than 10% or less.
Lithium Ion batteries never need to be "fully discharged" to the device shut off point and as stated above, it isn't "good" for them.
That said, a discharge from fully charged to at or near shutoff let's the device software measure the battery capacity more accurately so you'll get a more accurate battery reading.
Lithium Ion batteries should not be charged at elevated temperatures. If you just watched a two hour movie, let it cool down before charging. A tablet is a nasty place for a battery with the CPU heating it up. Most manufacturers advise not charging at > 85 deg F and 70 deg F is better. A really good charger will measure battery temperature and reduce the max charging rate at elevated temperatures.
Lithium Ion batteries should be stored at 50-70% capacity and not fully charged. That's ~3.7 V per cell. Those of us who use the device a lot on external power would see a lot longer battery life if there was a mode which allowed keeping the battery below 100% while on external power. It seems every manufacturer thinks consumers are too dumb to understand the value of providing it and switching to full charge mode before we run off on battery power.
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I would rather always have my battery near max charge when I take it off the charger than have a battery last 7 years instead of 3 or 4 in a device I will realistically only use extensively for 2. Even more so with a phone where they battery can replaced for $20. I'll take a full charge every time over the battery lasting for years longer than I need it to.
I have a first gen iPod Touch I bought when they were released (2007 I think?). I have left it on a charger for MONTHS. Still holds a decent charge.
Is there benefit to using a battery calibration app like this if you're rooted?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nema.batterycalibration&hl=en
You don't have to but I like to. Mine was like 40% charged when I unboxed
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Here's the deal- and this has been verified on multiple devices with larger batteries- Your tablet will need to self-calibrate the battery meter/charging to the battery. You can expect things like sketchy battery life and running down very low or completely overnight for the first couple days. Once everything "syncs up", you can take advantage of the full potential of the battery. This happened with my Razr Maxx and it happened on my Nexus 7's first overnight. And, talking to people who have had their Nexus 7's a few days, it's common and expected.
As said, it is NOT the battery conditioning, it is the device calibrating. The battery is pretty big and there's a period of time while the device learns.
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Calibration occurs every time the battery is charged to 100%. It isn't a "first few days" type of thing, it is every single time the battery meter reaches 100%.
I had no choice but to completely charge my N7 (purchased from Office Depot 7/14). When I went to turn it on the first time, I was greeted with small text in the upper left side of the screen that said "show low battery logo" on a completely black screen. No logo...no nothing. Completely blank. Plugged it in, the battery charging logo popped up, fully charged it and it's been working great since.
However, I found it a bit odd as I thought most of these types of devices ship with about a 40% battery charge.
Thoughts?
Please discuss everything related to battery or charging in this thread
Great! So I got myself thinking about the dock charging situation: Why is it so that the dock charges the pad instead of the pad drains the dock?
In my opinion it is better (or more logical) that the pad sees the dock as rendundary battery and drains it at need. F.e. the pad runs till 50% then drains the dock completely dry and then uses the rest of its 50%.
Btw: I wonder if the dock charging logic is realized with hardware or software by Asus...
UncleManuel said:
Great! So I got myself thinking about the dock charging situation: Why is it so that the dock charges the pad instead of the pad drains the dock?
In my opinion it is better (or more logical) that the pad sees the dock as rendundary battery and drains it at need. F.e. the pad runs till 50% then drains the dock completely dry and then uses the rest of its 50%.
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Um, at the end of either scenario, aren't you left with the same overall usage time and 2 dead batteries?
And isn't your preferred scenario almost exactly what happens in real world use?
what widgets drain battery?
i know widgets like weather, email, news drain battery because they need to update, use internet connection, so i don't use them to save battery.
but what about "offline" widgets like google play music, clock,... do they drain battery too? they don't update information using internet, but they do update "offlinely" - i mean, for example: google play music, now it shows the song "A", then you open the app and skip to song "B", when you go back to homescreen the widget will show song "B". so it has to update, does this drain the battery?
lol i guess i worry about battery too much, and just figured out that i created the thread "should i use battery saver app", i should have post it in this thread, sorry
and does leaving the charger plugged in to the wall outlet when not charging the tablet harm the charger or waste electricity?
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and does leaving the charger plugged in to the wall outlet when not charging the tablet harm the charger or waste electricity?
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CHARGING/DISCHARGING TIP:
LET THE DEVICE (THIS GOES FOR ANYTHING WITH A RECHARGABLE BATTERY) FULLY CHARGE.
UNPLUG, THEN LET IT FULLY DISCHARGE...ALL THE WAY!-- JUST LET IT DIE WHERE IT WONT TURN ON.
Doing this will increase battery time, decrease battery wear/tear, possible damage done by overcharging.
Do this on a regular basis, and youll start to see it will last longer then 10hrs
Because of this, i run alot of widgets, on performance mode, i have around an extra 30MIN, so 10hrs 30min is my batterys life.
*leaving the device plugged in,charging when its full, is bad!
*using the device, while charging, burns up the battery, youll notice it getting hot.
Picked this tablet up the other day. I noticed that when I took it in the car and plugged it's charging cable into my car usb charger (kengsington powerbolt) that it did not show that it was charging. Is this common? The charge has worked for all the phones I've plugged into it.
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CHARGING/DISCHARGING TIP:
LET THE DEVICE (THIS GOES FOR ANYTHING WITH A RECHARGABLE BATTERY) FULLY CHARGE.
UNPLUG, THEN LET IT FULLY DISCHARGE...ALL THE WAY!-- JUST LET IT DIE WHERE IT WONT TURN ON.
Doing this will increase battery time, decrease battery wear/tear, possible damage done by overcharging.
Do this on a regular basis, and youll start to see it will last longer then 10hrs
Because of this, i run alot of widgets, on performance mode, i have around an extra 30MIN, so 10hrs 30min is my batterys life.
*leaving the device plugged in,charging when its full, is bad!
*using the device, while charging, burns up the battery, youll notice it getting hot.
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I believe you are mostly right, but letting the battery constantly drain and recharging from 0-10% makes it work really hard and it makes in turn the life of the battery less. But in terms of life we are talking about a couple of mins less every half a year or so, since these devices get replaced by new ones every 1-2 years I guess it is ok.
If you want to sustain the most battery life just charge it from time to time when it gets lower than 40%. If you are having problems with battery duration, charge to 100% let it discharge completely then charge again until 100% without interruption. I do the full discharge and charge every month or so.
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CHARGING/DISCHARGING TIP:
LET THE DEVICE (THIS GOES FOR ANYTHING WITH A RECHARGABLE BATTERY) FULLY CHARGE.
UNPLUG, THEN LET IT FULLY DISCHARGE...ALL THE WAY!-- JUST LET IT DIE WHERE IT WONT TURN ON.
Doing this will increase battery time, decrease battery wear/tear, possible damage done by overcharging.
Do this on a regular basis, and youll start to see it will last longer then 10hrs
Because of this, i run alot of widgets, on performance mode, i have around an extra 30MIN, so 10hrs 30min is my batterys life.
*leaving the device plugged in,charging when its full, is bad!
*using the device, while charging, burns up the battery, youll notice it getting hot.
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i heard many people say letting it fully discharge (use until it turns off) and charge back to 100% will harm the battery, (or battery's lifespan). i read many guides online and all of them say this. i asked other people in other forums and they said the same thing.
but i guess you're right that it will improve battery life, in about a half year or a year (depending on how often you charge), then the battery won't be able to hold a long charge anymore. it won't be a problem it you plan to change/upgrade your device next year anyway.
The best battery tips that I use
Remove unnecessary widgets
Use a clean rom
Set your CPU to ondemand and put it on lowest frequency
Turn of wifi when you are not using your device
If you don't need your device for longer than an hour, turn it off
I use it for about an hour during the mornings up until dinner, then it gets a workout and I have never had my tablet die on me, or a need to rush for a charger.
I have read conflicting articles on increasing the battery life of Lithium-ion batteries (the ones used in Nexus 10). Most of the Lithium ion batteries have a lifespan of 300-400 charge/discharge cycles. From my understanding, this means that it is bad to fully discharge the batteries and then recharge them as it reduces from the above mentioned lifespan and it is better to top-off the battery often as possible.
In fact there was an article that I read on Cnet specifically for the iPad (I'm not allowed to post outside links for some reason, google: "ipad keep plugged in" and the first article in the search result) , where they recommend to keep the iPad plugged-in whenever possible to increase the battery life.
I use my Nexus 10 a lot at house. So, Is it better to keep it plugged-in all that time?
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I have read conflicting articles on increasing the battery life of Lithium-ion batteries (the ones used in Nexus 10). Most of the Lithium ion batteries have a lifespan of 300-400 charge/discharge cycles. From my understanding, this means that it is bad to fully discharge the batteries and then recharge them as it reduces from the above mentioned lifespan and it is better to top-off the battery often as possible.
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This is correct.
In fact there was an article that I read on Cnet specifically for the iPad (I'm not allowed to post outside links for some reason, google: "ipad keep plugged in" and the first article in the search result) , where they recommend to keep the iPad plugged-in whenever possible to increase the battery life.
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The life span of LiIon/LiPoly batteries is also reduced when the battery is at or near 100% for a prolonged time. Don't think too much about it, just use the N10 and recharge it often. I usually try to plug it back in around the 70% mark.
It's also quite easy to open up the tablet, you only need a screwdriver and a plastic prying tool and then you can change the battery yourself, if it ever should become necessary (unlikely, unless you plan to use it for ~5 years).
> http://www.powerbookmedic.com/wordpress/2012/11/16/google-nexus-10-take-apart-first-look
i don't care about it... i leave it plugged whenever i can
chances are, those who take "good care" of their battery may end up with 10% more life in 2 years.... and frankly, i couldn't care less about that
not worth the hassle of worrying about batteries anymore
Best practice actually is to drain to 40% and charge up to 80%. Dropping to 90% and charging back up to 100% a bunch is still bad for your battery, as is leaving it plugged in over night when it reached 100% long before you wake up.
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Best practice actually is to drain to 40% and charge up to 80%. Dropping to 90% and charging back up to 100% a bunch is still bad for your battery, as is leaving it plugged in over night when it reached 100% long before you wake up.
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It stops charging upon reaching 100%.
Its hard to follow those instructions when your out 24 hours a day, or maybe you just want to use your tablet
Don't worry about doing extra stuff.. like the user said I could careless..
Just don't let your device die, charge it once it hit like 15%..
Saying charge your device once it at 70% is like only driving your car for 5miles and putting it back in the garage and walk the rest of the way..
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Saying charge your device once it at 70% is like only driving your car for 5miles and putting it back in the garage and walk the rest of the way..
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I didn't say you have to do that. If it's possible I recharge early, if not I just use it anyway.
Doesn't really matter too much since the battery can be exchanged rather easily if it ever comes to that.
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It stops charging upon reaching 100%.
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Yes, and then it drains a bit and goes back to charging, over and over the rest of the night.
I've read that Li-ion batteries don't like "deep cycles", that is, fully dischanging then fully charging, because this shortens the battery's life. Also that it's not good to have it at 100% for a prolonged time. So it would be best to always have the device partially charged, plugging it if below 50% and unplugging at 90%. When the battery reaches 90% some phones even notify you that "the battery is full, and you can disconnect from charger"
Source: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
I charge my phone overnight, from around 10PM to 8AM, then I leave my phone charging in its dock from about 9AM to 5PM during the work day...
any harm in doing this? I'd like my phone to last quite a while, as we are currently in a serious relationship, and I don't plan on letting her go....
What hurts your phone battery is not charging it but keeping it on high temperatures for a long time. And guess what keeps it on high temperatures: yep, you guessed it, charging for a long time.
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While it always depends on the charging circuit, keeping your battery topped up by constant charging (even trickle maintenance) will reduce the voltage level that it can be charged to. This will take quite some time to notice, and several deeper charging cycles will "repair" this to a certain extent. But with any battery, keeping it any constant level will reduce its charging capacity, and continual charging (trickle or otherwise) will "cook" the batteries chemical make up sooner.
To do what you're doing everyday will absolutely have an impact on your battery's health over the long term. But to exactly what extent is based on several factors I don't have specific data on.
Absolutely, our phone battery is designed for mobile usage, not to be tethered to a charger constantly. Constant charging is unnecessary, wasteful and leads to early battery demise.
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And aren't our high end modern phones also designed to trickle charge when it gets to %100, so no harm can come to it?
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And aren't our high end modern phones also designed to trickle charge when it gets to %100, so no harm can come to it?
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I suppose it depends on how you define "harm". Read my post above again. Any level of current that is continually supplied to a charged battery will accelerate the aging of it.
Even if the charger were to shut off completely, and then resume charging at a certain level (which I believe is the behavior of the LG wireless charger at 95%), continually discharging and recharging from 95% to 100% is probably not ideal.
But all of this is probably not all that great of an affect in the grand scheme of things. You're not gonna kill your battery in a matter of months by leaving on the charger all of the time. Yes you will accelerate the degradation of the battery's health over time, but if your phone is in use enough so the battery is being discharged regularly between charges, I doubt that you will notice it for a long time, if at all.
I can say that if you simply leave it charging 24/7 without any other kind of use you will be able to measure degradation surprisingly soon. As to how noticeable it will be is very hard to say.
I use and suggest Battery Monitor Widget from 3c. It takes the guess work out of what you see when you're charging and what happens to the phone when it reaches 100%.
As the phone gradually reaches 90%, charging is noticeably slowed. From about 92-100% it trickle charges from around 300 to 200 to 100mA until it reaches 100%. Charger stops charging when full and lets the battery level drop slightly before charging it back to 100%. You're constantly topping it off at full and batteries of this chemistry don't like that.
As far as I can recall, these types of batteries actually thrive on being run down and cycled back up. The only catch is, don't run them down until it's completely dead. You've significantly cut the life of your battery if you do it quite often.
To answer your question, it probably doesn't hurt that much. If you do it for months, maybe years. Yeah, you'll see some degradation.
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As far as I can recall, these types of batteries actually thrive on being run down and cycled back up.
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I would correct this and say the battery loves being near the median. Store at 40% battery! 100%-0% is bad... 100%-10% is better, 90/10 is better etc...
80/40 is really good for preserving charge cycles. Basically, charging at 30% back up to 70% is better than letting it go down to 0%
Note: this is a REALLY good battery in this phone. Just USE it until you feel it's dying too soon and buy a new one. Batteries are cheap and will be cheaper in 2-3 years.
But we can't buy battery for this phone.. I always let it run down to 14% that's when the warning message pops up.. Then back up, charges in 2 1/2 hrs then I leave it on an hour more until I leave from work so I could have a full phone.. Note, I work over nights, so its dead at around 2 or 3 am sometimes, then I leave at 6 am..
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Please... I would say we can in a few months! Most of us have already voided the warranty
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Most of us in here don't keep our phones long enough to notice any battery degradation..
Just charge it as often as you can but unplug it when it's full.
To be safe I would let the phone idle off of the work charger and only plug in at home.
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To be safe I would let the phone idle off of the work charger and only plug in at home.
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Agreed, I only charge once a day and it's usually sufficient, if your a heavy user and are concerned about the phone dying at night, let the phone decharge normally throughout the day and plug it in an hour or an hour and a half before you leave, however long it takes to charge the device after a workday's worth of usage (Whatever that is for you)
I do this myself if I'm using my phone heavily during the day and know I'll be out all night. Like some said you'll probably never even notice the degradation, but when you know it's not good for the battery in the strictest sense why risk it, the phones aren't designed to be charging 2/3rd of the time, they are designed to be charged and then taken off the charger and used.
Hello,
I am doing an experiment since few days ago. I noticed that if you disable the Fast Charging, and (most importantly) use a proper, thick 2A USB cable (I use a Kindle Fire original cable) then the battery lasts around 15-20% longer.
How to recognize that you got a proper USB charging cable ? With fast charging disabled and the battery empty, the phone should tell you that there are around 2 hours until full (instead of the usual 7 hours or so with fast charging disabled). That's when you know that you are using the proper cable. I bought a original Kindle Fire cable from Amazon and that is very solid, much thicker than the standard cable. See attached screenshot. With the standard cable this seems to be a hit and miss, you sometimes get the 2 hours message and sometimes the 7 hours message.
I repeated the experiment 3 times and each time I got significantly better battery life than before.
You may want to try it to see if it works for you.
PS: Attached is my latest battery life screenshot (APC8 firmware), which is the third charge since the experiment. 2 days 6 hours of stand-by with 5h SOT on a mix of 80% Wi-Fi, 20% 4G with nothing disabled (even Bluetooth is permanently connected to the LG smartwatch). Almost no videos played, only web page browsing which is quite demanding on battery.
Look if new software update is possible.
Yeah, I noticed that my battery life was worse when I used a ****ty 1 Ah Sony charger when I displaced the original Samsung charger. It took about 3 hours to charge it up to 100%, but then I noticed that the battery life would be worse than before. I found the original charger again, and battery life is back to being good again. I never use fast charging, unless it's in the middle of the day and I'm heading out or something.
None of the things mentioned above should (technically) have any impact on battery life once unplugged? I mean, stored electricity is stored electricity, so if someone QUALIFIED could give an explanation here, it would be cool.
Nothing new, I've always noticed that if I charge the phone with the original charger and fast charging disabled it will last much longer.
https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Kindle-Micro-USB-Cable-Tablets/dp/B006GWO5NE
This cable? Which AC adapter do you use?
None of this solutions should impact battery life Oo. Energy is energy, no matter where it comes from?!
Would be nice, if someone qualified could tell us more..
Do you have the newest android version installed?
By the way, I only charge with original charger and cable, fast charge disabled (battery life is longer?!)
Battery life depends on how well you follow charging & discharging cycle. I usually fully discharge my battery (so that phone will shut down by itself after dropping below 1% charging), then charge it fully keeping it switched off & then use it.
I always had far better battery life than most people complain about.
BTW, I also tried charging battery keeping phone switched on at 10-15% charge remaining, battery definitely performed weaker for my use.
So that confirmed my theory based on my usage over last 7 years..
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https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Kindle-Micro-USB-Cable-Tablets/dp/B006GWO5NE
This cable? Which AC adapter do you use?
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Yes, this is the exact cable I am using. A bit expensive, but for me it was the only cable that consistently worked at 2A over time.
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I mean, stored electricity is stored electricity, so if someone QUALIFIED could give an explanation here, it would be cool.
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Would be nice, if someone qualified could tell us more..
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I wonder if Qnovo is qualified enough ? Their technology is employed in many charging solutions. Here is what they say:
"Add fast charging - it gets noticeably worse. It turns out that the simple way batteries are charged today causes most of the damage that leads to shorter daily battery life and reduced lifespan."
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Yes, this is the exact cable I am using. A bit expensive, but for me it was the only cable that consistently worked at 2A over time.
I wonder if Qnovo is qualified enough ? Their technology is employed in many charging solutions. Here is what they say:
"Add fast charging - it gets noticeably worse. It turns out that the simple way batteries are charged today causes most of the damage that leads to shorter daily battery life and reduced lifespan."
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So you're saying that Kindle Fire cable extends battery life? Isn't 100% battery life from one cable the same as 100% battery life from another cable? Energy is energy.
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So you're saying that Kindle Fire cable extends battery life? Isn't 100% battery life from one cable the same as 100% battery life from another cable? Energy is energy.
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In no way I am saying this. I am just saying that you need a cable that reliably supports 2A charging, so the charger shows 2 hours to full instead of 7 hours to full, even with fast charging off.
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In no way I am saying this. I am just saying that you need a cable that reliably supports 2A charging, so the charger shows 2 hours to full instead of 7 hours to full, even with fast charging off.
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Ah okay. I went ahead and bought one!
It ' also the logical thing. With fast charging , the battery holds less charge than the "normal . " He just spoke in various forums of this.
Anyway , great idea.
How to maintain max battery life span (reliable source):
Perform shallow discharges. Instead of discharging to 0% all the time, lithium-ion batteries do best when you discharge them for a little bit, then charge them for a little bit. The table below, from Battery University, shows that discharges to 50% are better for your battery's long-term life than, say, small discharges to 90% or large discharges to 0% (since the 50% discharges provide the best number of cycles-to-usage ratio).
·Don't leave it fully charged. Similarly, lithium-ion batteries don't need to be charged all the way to 100%. In fact, they'd prefer not to be—so the 40%-80% rule you heard is a good guideline. When possible, keep it in that range to prolong its life as long as you can. And, if you do charge it to 100%, don't leave it plugged in. This is something most of us do, but it's another thing that will degrade your battery's health. If you need to charge it overnight, use something like the Belkin Conserve Socket to stop it from charging after it's full.
·Fully discharge it once a month. This may seem contradictory, but hear us out. While lithium-ion batteries shouldn't be discharged regularly, most modern batteries are what's known as "smart batteries", which means that they can tell you how long you have until your battery dies (e.g. "2 hours, 15 minutes remaining"). This feature can get miscalibrated after a lot of shallow discharges. So, manufacturers recommend fully discharging your battery once a month to make sure this stays accurate.
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In no way I am saying this. I am just saying that you need a cable that reliably supports 2A charging, so the charger shows 2 hours to full instead of 7 hours to full, even with fast charging off.
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But you stated that it increases battery life.
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So you're saying that Kindle Fire cable extends battery life? Isn't 100% battery life from one cable the same as 100% battery life from another cable? Energy is energy.
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What he's saying is that a slower charge equals a longer lasting battery between charges.
But maybe that doesn't apply to Li-ion batteries, according to this link here.
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What he's saying is that a slower charge equals a longer lasting battery between charges.
But maybe that doesn't apply to Li-ion batteries, according to this link here.
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You can try it for yourself (if you have an S7/Edge) and report the results here. I posted my results, I'm not an expert, I just tried this. I also tried the 7-hour slow charge (with a different charger) and it didn't work as well as the 2-hour charge. The 2 hour charge seems to work best.
Yeah, If you use fast charging the battery dies a little bit quicker. I recommend fast charging if you are in hurry.
I only use fast charge when I'm in hurry.. Nice feature! I try to charge my phone between 25-80%...
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Battery life depends on how well you follow charging & discharging cycle. I usually fully discharge my battery (so that phone will shut down by itself after dropping below 1% charging), then charge it fully keeping it switched off & then use it..
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Worst thing you can do for the lifespan of an Li battery.
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Worst thing you can do for the lifespan of an Li battery.
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I disagree, even though it switches off itself, it still has charge, don't go by it says 1%.. so it's not fully discharged... besides my method served a good battery life to me over the years with earlier phone models