So because my phone had some display issues and I could get a good deal, I bought a new note 3 today lol. (gonna sell the other)
On my first I "messed" up and updated with odin to debrand without thinking. This put on the new bootloader as you all hopefully know by now.
Well now the new phone still has the old bootloader, but since I still could get root on my other phone with the new bootloader, I was wondering what the actual difference between those 2 is?
On the S4 the new bootloader actually introduced the SELinux enforcing status and Knox, but all N3s ship with that already, so what is the difference and why should I try to keep the old bootloader?
Does it have more or other attack vectors for root exploits than the new?
ADD: And how can I debrand and update safely without updating the bootloader prior to rooting?
zroice said:
On the S4 the new bootloader actually introduced the SELinux enforcing status and Knox, but all N3s ship with that already, so what is the difference and why should I try to keep the old bootloader?
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That depends on if you care about losing your warranty or not. If you don't care there are plenty of options (including CF-Root). If you care about your warranty (don't want the knox flag to be tripped to 0x1) search for root de la vega in the 'original android development' Note 3 forum. Because you're still on the old bootloader (mi(x) or mj1) this might still be an option. Beware: I'm on the international Note 3 (SM-N9005), so please do read what to do on your phone model. Good luck!
If you update to the new bootloader then you won't be able to downgrade to older version.. flashing custom roms won't be an issue but downgrading via odin will be impossible AFAIK. I heard that there were a lot of efs bricked on the note 2 after a similar bootloader update when users tried to downgrade firmwares or even radios so I haven't updated key bootloader and it isn't necessary so you can stick to the old bootloader as well if you want
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Hi All
Having had every previous version of the Galaxy S, I've finally gotten around to getting the S4.
I've been reading up on all of the extra security issues this device now has (a la Sony) and am disappointed that I can't be as flash happy as I like to be for fear of voiding the warranty.
Anyway, I'm on Vodafone UK and am running an old firmware, XXUAMDD. Kies is offering me an update to MGG, but I know this will lock the bootloader.
So I'm wondering if there is any point in upgrading now? Ideally I'd like to have 4.3 running, rooted and warranty still valid, but I think at the moment this may be asking too much.
Any views welcome please!
Cheers
Well my advice is simple , if it s not broken do not update. there are no differences between those 2 versions apart from having a locked bootloader and the pain in the ass knox.
The mgg firmware will also give you the ability to move apps to sdcard but foldermount is a better alternative that will work fine with your version.
Are you sure MGG has new bootloader? I don't think it does.....
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yes mgg was the first one with the new bootloader . you can always refer to the knox questions and answers thread for various information about knox .
Hello,
I recently picked up a Canadian Galaxy S4. This is my first android device after using an iPhone 4 for the last 3 years. I'm a tinkering kind of guy so when I heard about the whole custom ROM community for the s4, I was excited. I've been reading up on this for the last 3 weeks and I still have a couple questions that I haven't really seen a solid answer for specifically regarding the 1337m model.
1) If I root it would be nice to be able to reverse things should I need to send it in for warranty repair. I understand that triangle away isn't working on the latest MG1 firmware (which my device came with). I know that the ME7 update on the US version included a bootloader that no longer allowed downgrading firmware. Is this the case with the Canadian models as well? If it is possible to downgrade are there any special steps that need to be taken, or can I just flash a stock MDJ image via odin/heimdall
2) I have read the whole thread about the issues with the knox warranty void efuse. I checked the download mode on my phone and it does not have any of the knox info on it, so as I understand it, knox isn't enabled and therefore as long as I don't update to new stock firmware and I shouldn't trip the efuse. I have disabled auto-update in the settings. Is there anything else that I should do or be aware of to make sure that my phone doesn't update and force the knox stuff on my phone.
At the end of the day, if my warranty is permanently void, that's fine, but if there's a way that I can still keep the ability to restore my phone to 100% stock without tripping and binary counters or efuses I'd like to make sure that I know and understand how to do that before I start flashing custom roms rather than trying to figure it out in a panic if something goes wrong on my device.
hi,
i got my n9005 (quad core, 32gb, sadly simlocked[provider]) today.
Yet i did not do anything to it, not even boot it.
I don't wanna screw anything up for later.
I want to make a complete backup of it and root it without tripping knox flag.
I read about auto root from chainfire but since that trips knox flag i cannot choose that.
Then I came across Root de la Vega from designgears and chainfire that does not trip knox flag
but as i understand it, it will not work on n9005 since i dont see my device being mentioned,
so what choice do i have now?
Can I power on the device now anyways just to ota or would that be bad (before a complete backup)?
Thanks
Please help me out here
You need to establish what firmware version you have first, take a look in the settings, what version off firmware do you have?
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You need to establish what firmware version you have first, take a look in the settings, what version off firmware do you have?
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Austria (A1) 2013 September 4.3 N9005XXUBMI7 N9005VFGBMI1
Baseband N9005XXUBMI6
Even if i can root with URdlV 0.2, can i still remove provider simlock without tripping knox?
Somehow i get the impression i might be better off chainfireing it with autoroot after i flashed official unlocked german stock 4.3 over the current os. Triangleaway might come out in the next months so i can undo the knox trigger. Otherwise i might wait ages until i can use this phone...cos of the provider sim lock..
Thx
Do NOT update FW if you going to RDLV. MJ3 has new locked bootloader so you have to root first, then modify update FW.
Odinary carrier sim lock doesn't matter..
Read RDLV thread carefully again..
Sim lock has nothing to do with FW as long it's from same region and not special carrier locked bootloader
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Ok, i will not update stock fw!
Why doesn't provider lock matter and what bootloader do i have? I read everyone writing mj3 blabla but where do u actually see what i got.
My stock fw was 4.3 when i got the phone and i never changed anything
cassinni said:
Ok, i will not update stock fw!
Why doesn't provider lock matter and what bootloader do i have? I read everyone writing mj3 blabla but where do u actually see what i got.
My stock fw was 4.3 when i got the phone and i never changed anything
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Every Note 3 firmware is 4.3 until 4.4 kitkat arrives.
Find out your fw by settings/general/about phone, bottom line. If it has not .....MJ3, .....MJ6, ......MJ7 yet, your bootloader is not locked and you can RDLV.
If you're not gonna use the knox program, go for CF-autoroot instead.
Edit. Didn't see yor post above you said XXUBMI7. Do not update yet couse you have an early fw and can use RDLV
You clearly have some reading to do about firmwares and rooting etc..
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Yea, its weird cos it says MI and nowhere mJ but everyone mentions it.
What about the provider lock?
Where can i read up on all that important info and esp. The No-No's?
cassinni said:
Yea, its weird cos it says MI and nowhere mJ but everyone mentions it.
What about the provider lock?
Where can i read up on all that important info and esp. The No-No's?
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?? ...MI7 is your current fw. Newer update fw's: ....MJ3-7, you can download from sammobile.com and flash manually by software "Odin" later after if you wish to root.
If not rooted, you can get these updates OTA.
Read the RDLV thread to learn about that rooting method first. Search around in Note 3 forums for answers.
Sim-lock has nothing to do with this at all. You can not unlock sim by rooting.
You can remove sim lock if you buy special dial code at some web sites. You give them your IMEI and pay them for the unlocking code. Thats all I know about that.
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Hi I bought my Galaxy S4 i9505 in Hong Kong and now currently using it London.
I assume it is an international version and hence sim- unlocked. So my question is does being sim- unlocked means bootloader unlocked?
Having done some research I know after updating to 4.3 I would have to unlock the bootloader before rooting.
So how would I check whether the bootloader is unlocked? I have found various methods for HTC or Sony smartphones but there doesn't seem to be one for Samsung Galaxy devices.
This is my first post in this forum so please let me know if I am missing any information. Thank you
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Hi I bought my Galaxy S4 i9505 in Hong Kong and now currently using it London.
I assume it is an international version and hence sim- unlocked. So my question is does being sim- unlocked means bootloader unlocked?
Having done some research I know after updating to 4.3 I would have to unlock the bootloader before rooting.
So how would I check whether the bootloader is unlocked? I have found various methods for HTC or Sony smartphones but there doesn't seem to be one for Samsung Galaxy devices.
This is my first post in this forum so please let me know if I am missing any information. Thank you
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No.Unlocking sim doesn't mean that the bootloader is unlocked.The new bootloader Knox indicates that whether any unofficial or custom stuffs are flashed or not.If u flash custom stuffs then Knox flag will be triggered and u will void ur warranty.Currently there are very few methods for bypassing Knox eg- Kingo root.
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No.Unlocking sim doesn't mean that the bootloader is unlocked.The new bootloader Knox indicates that whether any unofficial or custom stuffs are flashed or not.If u flash custom stuffs then Knox flag will be triggered and u will void ur warranty.Currently there are very few methods for bypassing Knox eg- Kingo root.
Thank you very much for you reply.
So let's say I don't care about the warranty, do I still need to unlock bootloader in order to root (and install custom ROMs)?
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Mandark52 said:
No.Unlocking sim doesn't mean that the bootloader is unlocked.The new bootloader Knox indicates that whether any unofficial or custom stuffs are flashed or not.If u flash custom stuffs then Knox flag will be triggered and u will void ur warranty.Currently there are very few methods for bypassing Knox eg- Kingo root.
Thank you very much for you reply.
So let's say I don't care about the warranty, do I still need to unlock bootloader in order to root (and install custom ROMs)?
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If Knox is triggered you wont get OTA/Kies updates.
No need of unlocking(never heard of unlocking Knox). Just flash CF-auto root via Odin and bingo ur phone is rooted.
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If Knox is triggered you wont get OTA/Kies updates.
No need of unlocking(never heard of unlocking Knox). Just flash CF-auto root via Odin and bingo ur phone is rooted.[/QUOTE]
I have found this link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2565758
It claims to root a device without triggering KNOX, so can I flash a custom ROM after rooting via this method? or would I still need to unlock bootloader?
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If Knox is triggered you wont get OTA/Kies updates.
No need of unlocking(never heard of unlocking Knox). Just flash CF-auto root via Odin and bingo ur phone is rooted.
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I have found this link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2565758
It claims to root a device without triggering KNOX, so can I flash a custom ROM after rooting via this method? or would I still need to unlock bootloader?[/QUOTE]
Read it fully. It says you cannot install custom rom/recovery. The day you install custom recovery, Knox will be triggered n you ll lose official updates.You can search for Knox in the forum it would be very useful.
Okay so I'm fairly new to the forums but I'm somewhat knowledgeable when it comes to rooting and flashing custom Roms.. At least one the Galaxy S3. So I now have a note 3 and I'd like to root and install a custom recovery and then from there a custom Rom after a little more research.. Because.. Eff touch Wiz. Now I got the note from a friend and it's been fully updated knox hasn't been enabled but has been fully updated and I believe the same thing for the security policies. Now this is where my question comes in I found a method on google (galaxynote3root.com) to root and install the recovery I just wanna know if anyone can confirm this method is safe with the new updates and what not? I'd rather not brick the phone obviously lol anyways the phone model is sm-n9008w unlocked but was a Rogers phone.. Android 5.0 stock firmware and recovery knox 2.3 any help would be appreciated
Which note 3 do you have? Are you sure it's not the sm-n900w8? Depending on the ROM you install, you may need to update to the latest bootloader and modem.
Edit: read your post again. Since stock LP is on the phone, Knox has been installed and the phone would be running the doc4 or doh1 firmware.
The simplest way to root would be to install TWRP and flash supersu from TWRP. You're going to trip the knox counter from 0x0 to 0x1. Also, make sure reactivation lock has not been enabled.