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Second thoughts after ordering Droid X

I've been visiting xda forums as a windows mobile user for years. I just ordered a Droid X last week but now I'm thinking about canceling it and ordering the Fascinate (which I didn't find out about until after ordering).
I think the Droid X fits my needs better at this time but I'm worried that Motorola's efforts against ROM developers will doom the phone. Looking at the visitor counts across xda forums did nothing to help my perception. I know that sounds crazy but ROM updates made my Windows Mobile phones much easier to use, more reliable and greatly extended my use of the phones. An example would be how internet connection sharing became effortless instead of almost impossible.

My roommate has one of the other flavors of the Galaxy S (which is what the Facinate is), and I honestly like the Droid X a bit better. You're basically worried about nothing at all, man. Motorola's efforts have basically proven to be fruitless. The Droid X got rooted like a week after it came out, and we're very close to having a "Vanilla" AOSP 2.2 ROM. At this point we have Recovery and root and Froyo. What more do you really need?

Xda isn't as popular when it comes to Android phones. I am a former Windows user myself. There are other forums that are more popular when it comes to Android, such as androidforums.com and droidxforums.com

Honestly I had the captivate (same thing but for att) but I wasnt a huge fan of the phone. It feels kind of cheap compared to the x. Also, it scratched easier. That, and it is noticeably slower (for me at least). The only thing I did like was the screen. The amoled is gorgeous.
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Thanks for responses. I agree the Captivate seems less well built. The reason I went with the Droid X is my hope to avoid some of the problems I've had with HTC phones the last 6 years. I was fine until I broke something, after that I was in Assurion hell with refurbs that all had issues.
It's reassuring to know that there will be ROMs. As long as there is at least one it should future proof the phone.
The GPS issue with the Galaxy S phones does not seem to be resolved whereas the Droid X is apparently one of the best GPS phones ever.
The more colorful screen and faster 3D performance doesn't mean that much to me given the Droid X's performance out of the box.
I only burned ROMs on my HTC phones to solve major problems caused by carrier bloatware, pointless restrictions and failure to update. I guess the issue I'm worried about is Motorola/Verizon failing to update to a new version of Android sometime in the next 2 years.

dsteinschneider said:
I guess the issue I'm worried about is Motorola/Verizon failing to update to a new version of Android sometime in the next 2 years.
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Well that should be the least of your worries when discussing the X or any future Moto devices running Android. I also know for certain they are already working on Andorid 3.0 for certain devices already. Part of the problem the mfgs and carriers are having is that Google keeps pushing Android out so quickly they can't keep up with updating all current devices to the new OS's let alone work on and designing new devices with the most current OS. I mean think about Google has had 3 major updates (2.0,2.1, currently 2.2) to Android in less then a yrs time, and they are working on the 4th (3.0) already. It's no wonder the carriers and mfgs can't keep everything up to date for all devices.
Anywhoo as mentioned already with the X having Root access, and custom ROMS in the works personally I wouldn't be to concerned at all.

Thanks for the supportive posts, because the Android modification world is new to me it wasn't clear to me that ROM developers were working with the Droid X. I read all the posts in the developer section here and understand that people are already running alternative ROMs.
I went over to the GPS threads regarding the Samsung and that was enough to convince me to stay with the Droid X. I'm careful when picking out new phones as I try to stay with them for 2 years.
Anyway, my Droid X (ordered on the 22rd) is on its way.

dsteinschneider said:
Thanks for the supportive posts, because the Android modification world is new to me it wasn't clear to me that ROM developers were working with the Droid X. I read all the posts in the developer section here and understand that people are already running alternative ROMs.
I went over to the GPS threads regarding the Samsung and that was enough to convince me to stay with the Droid X. I'm careful when picking out new phones as I try to stay with them for 2 years.
Anyway, my Droid X (ordered on the 22rd) is on its way.
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Good to hear and welcome to the Android community, hopefully you will enjoy the fun moving forward. I'm running a fully modified ROM myself already also and it is much nicer then the ROM that was sent out on the device that is for sure.
I've gotta say give you credit tho. To keep a device for 2 yrs is a long time this day and age. I'm lucky to make is 6 months and I'm on to something new as I'm bored of the old device by then. I've enjoy the Droid long enough and currently using the X for now, just waiting for the D2 to show up so I have something else to mess with and swap back and forth between. Once it shows I guess it will be time to let the Droid go as it had a good run in my book. Peace

Making it 2 years on the same device takes discipline and with my latest phone it may have been counter productive. The Touch Pro's screen is 2.7 inch and the only browsing I did on it was Opera Mini with bookmarked sites that happen to display well on the tiny screen. If you go out 2 years they usually have stopped production so the refurbs are old themselves. The last few Assurion Touch Pro refurbs all developed an oily patch on the screen after a few months. Good riddance to the Touch Pro although it was a big improvement over the XV6700. Verizon has lowered the impetus for holding on for 2 years now that the every 2 is only $50. I think the TP was the last phone I'll keep that long.

i can tell you from experience, sometimes my vibrant's GPS doesn't work AT ALL and i really do miss the camera flash that i have on my droid x....not so much for the camera but i use it all the time as a flashlight, really handy feature. of course that will be a moot point with the fascinate as it will have the led flash.....it's a tough choice, i do like both phones though i rarely use my vibrant, mainly because i have NO tmobile 3g where i now live.

I've now had the DX for 4 days. Absolutely love it. I installed both Logmein Ignition and Xtralogic Remote Desktop. Today a customer needed help, no need to pull out my netbook and tether, just went right to her desktop and fixed the problem right on the DX. I rooted and renamed the crapware apps to .bak, installed what I think will be most of the apps I'll be using. This phone took me 1/10th the time it took to get a Windows Mobile phone to do what I needed. One thing I'm appreciating is the better build quality of the Motorola vs the HTC's I've been using the past 6 years. So far there really is nothing negative for me about the phone. That's a first after years of tussling with Windows Mobile and Treos.

Good to hear that you are enjoying your X with no issues.
I got a Fascinate on launch day last Thursday, but I am planning to return it tomorrow and order an X. I will reactivate my Droid 1 while I wait for the X. I will miss the 4" SAMOLED screen on the Fascinate for sure, but I'm sure I will like the X too.

I had similar thoughts when I ordered my X but all doubts were whipped away once it got here, Im not even rooted yet and I already love this phone my only complaints have been how short the freaking charging cable is. also I've been less than impressed with the camera but I think that can be tweaked.
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Buyers remorse?

The Droid 2 is my first smartphone when it comes to android and such. I bought it in October and ever since I heard about rooting/kernels/ROMs I have really been wandering about my purchase. Looking at the incredible I heard there was so much more available to them and I really began wandering even more. So I was hoping I could get some of you to confirm my purchase was in fact a good one. Especially since even with the locked bootloader I can still do most of what I want to do that people with an unlocked bootloader can do.

the droid 2 i believe is just about technologically the same as the dinc, 1GHz processor, slightly faster gpu, same amount of RAM, but the droid 2 has a keyboard
also, if you look through the development thread for the D2, there are several roms available, and you can overclock the processor like you can with most android handsets, so you really arent missing out on much when it comes to modding the droid 2

I agree and think the Droid 2 is slightly better for various reasons. It is also my first Android smart phone.
I think unlike older droids (D1) the Droid 2 doesn't really need the speed increase an overclock can provide and ROMs don't need to change much because the devices have included more things we like.
This is kind of a parallel to the Xbox modding from the original to the 360. The original couldn't store games or connect with certain devices so people learned how to mod them (software or otherwise) and they became more usable to the user because they could now store more on the hard drive and be able to upgrade the Hard drive for more storage space. All of these things are included in the 360 which can still be modded (with difficulty and sometimes dire consequences) but it doesn't really need to because a lot of the functionality gained by modding the first xbox is already available on the new one.

Coming from the Eris... yes, I absolutely regret getting this locked bootloader crap phone. A little more research before I bought would've been a good thing. Still would have been hard to pass up buy 1 referb for 50$ and get a 2nd free though.

mordant80 said:
Coming from the Eris... yes, I absolutely regret getting this locked bootloader crap phone. A little more research before I bought would've been a good thing. Still would have been hard to pass up buy 1 referb for 50$ and get a 2nd free though.
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Well I thank you for a response even if it was somewhat vague. What bothers you about the locked bootloader? We still have plenty of rom's. Can still overclock. Can still make backups. So instead of just saying the locked bootloader suxor, explain what makes you want a phone with an unlocked bootloader.
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I used to swap roms all the time. Now when you swap roms to one made by another developer its recomended you sbf first. I could get by with never plugging the eris in to a pc. I could run different kernels on whatever rom which was very nice. I really miss cyanogenmod and the lock screen gestures. There's a ton more activity in eris dev and a ton more roms to play with. Hell, already got 3 gingerbread roms out for the eris. The locked bootloader has really limited this phone. The only thing it has over the eris is more mem and its faster. Keyboards nice too I guess. Id be sooo much happier with another htc though.

If you care so much about the development on a phone, then you shouldn't really get a phone, seriously, that's not what phones are for. The rom selection for the droid 2 is just fine and you can already do everything on it that you can for most other phones, minus gingerbread. You should be glad that development isn't like what it is on the droid 2 global, with only one usable rom that hasn't been updated in over a month.
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youre right, I shouldnt have a phone. Thought this was a developer forum, my bad

Im not saying development is bad, im just saying that if you bought a phone for the development being made on the phone then its obvious your priorities aren't straight, im bummed that there isn't much development for the d2g, but so long as I can talk and text and do other things just fine on the phone and it last me a minimum of 1 day while doing it, then I have no complaints.
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I hate to say it, but if you were that into ROM develepment, why did you make the jump after finding out about the locked bootloader in the first place? I had the Droid Pro before the D2 and then the Sammy Fascinate before that and the D1 prior to that. The D1 obviously had a lot of activity in the ROM department and was fun to play with, but I eventually got tired of changing the ROM so many times so once I found a good Kernel/ROM combo I never swapped again for the rest of the time I had the phone. When I made the switch to the Fascinate the weak reception forced me to get another phone and the DPro just came out so I made that switch and was happy for a while but couldn't handle the complete lack of development and the Blur was killing me. After reading about a ROM that looked good for me (Fission) I found someone willing to trade their D2 for my DPro and I'm absolutely loving this phone. Its everything I wanted, and I now have a phone I feel I can keep for the remainder of my contract and be happy with.
No remorse with the D2 for me.?
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rusty815 said:
If you care so much about the development on a phone, then you shouldn't really get a phone, seriously, that's not what phones are for. The rom selection for the droid 2 is just fine and you can already do everything on it that you can for most other phones, minus gingerbread. You should be glad that development isn't like what it is on the droid 2 global, with only one usable rom that hasn't been updated in over a month.
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I never said that is why I bought the phone. I didn't even know about ROMing until the phone was in my hands for a few weeks. It is not something I find absolutely necessary but it is something nice to have.
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Sorry miketoasty, that rant was not aimed at you but at the former owner of a droid eris. I didn't like how he made such a big deal about the rom development of a phone
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rusty815 said:
Sorry miketoasty, that rant was not aimed at you but at the former owner of a droid eris. I didn't like how he made such a big deal about the rom development of a phone
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Who the hell are you to tell me my priorities aren't straight? ROM development is a big fn deal to me. It's my fn opinion, which i'm fully fn entitled to. Why my opinion and me stating my opinion when asked to clarify would cause you to go on a rant, especially on a fn developors forum, I have no idea. Get off your high horse buddy. If you don't give a crap about development of a phone that's all you. Maybe in the future I'd like to start developing. Never know, I do have a strong linux background. I can tell you one thing though... it's not going to be on this phone.

bwhite757 said:
I hate to say it, but if you were that into ROM develepment, why did you make the jump after finding out about the locked bootloader in the first place? I had the Droid Pro before the D2 and then the Sammy Fascinate before that and the D1 prior to that. The D1 obviously had a lot of activity in the ROM department and was fun to play with, but I eventually got tired of changing the ROM so many times so once I found a good Kernel/ROM combo I never swapped again for the rest of the time I had the phone. When I made the switch to the Fascinate the weak reception forced me to get another phone and the DPro just came out so I made that switch and was happy for a while but couldn't handle the complete lack of development and the Blur was killing me. After reading about a ROM that looked good for me (Fission) I found someone willing to trade their D2 for my DPro and I'm absolutely loving this phone. Its everything I wanted, and I now have a phone I feel I can keep for the remainder of my contract and be happy with.
No remorse with the D2 for me.?
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I didn't find out about the bootloader being locked until after I made the jump.. see, I got two droid 2's for $50 total from verizon and my fiance needed a new phone... so.. I'm now the owner of a phone with a locked bootloader.

mordant80 said:
Who the hell are you to tell me my priorities aren't straight? ROM development is a big fn deal to me. It's my fn opinion, which i'm fully fn entitled to. Why my opinion and me stating my opinion when asked to clarify would cause you to go on a rant, especially on a fn developors forum, I have no idea. Get off your high horse buddy. If you don't give a crap about development of a phone that's all you. Maybe in the future I'd like to start developing. Never know, I do have a strong linux background. I can tell you one thing though... it's not going to be on this phone.
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You do realize that you are coming off as a bit foolish when you act like development on a phone is more important than the function of the phone itself. I don't understand how you can absolutely hate the phone just because it has a locked bootloader, its one of the best pieces of hardware on the market and functions perfectly fine even with the locked bootloader. You think that a locked bootloader stopped devs like ang to make custom roms? It shouldn't even matter. I never said I don't give a crap about development on a phone, im running fission on my phone that I've heavily modified, heck I used to be a kernel developer for a linux distro called auroraOS, go check out their website, you'll see a familiar name on their dev list. Now please don't pollute the droid 2 forums with such hateful comments about the device, most of us here love our phones.
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You do realize that you are coming off as a bit foolish when you act like development on a phone is more important than the function of the phone itself. I don't understand how you can absolutely hate the phone just because it has a locked bootloader, its one of the best pieces of hardware on the market and functions perfectly fine even with the locked bootloader. You think that a locked bootloader stopped devs like ang to make custom roms? It shouldn't even matter. I never said I don't give a crap about development on a phone, im running fission on my phone that I've heavily modified, heck I used to be a kernel developer for a linux distro called auroraOS, go check out their website, you'll see a familiar name on their dev list. Now please don't pollute the droid 2 forums with such hateful comments about the device, most of us here love our phones.
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I stated my opinion of the phone. You're the one taking it personally and going off on a rant on me. Attacking me directly saying my priorities aren't straight. Did I say the people who own these phones suck? No, I said the phone sucks in my opinion and I regret getting one for myself. That's how I feel, end of story... sorry that got you sooo butt hurt. I respected your opinion of the phone, now respect mine.

rusty815 said:
You do realize that you are coming off as a bit foolish when you act like development on a phone is more important than the function of the phone itself. I don't understand how you can absolutely hate the phone just because it has a locked bootloader, its one of the best pieces of hardware on the market and functions perfectly fine even with the locked bootloader. You think that a locked bootloader stopped devs like ang to make custom roms? It shouldn't even matter. I never said I don't give a crap about development on a phone, im running fission on my phone that I've heavily modified, heck I used to be a kernel developer for a linux distro called auroraOS, go check out their website, you'll see a familiar name on their dev list. Now please don't pollute the droid 2 forums with such hateful comments about the device, most of us here love our phones.
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You do realize you come off a bit foolish stressing how unimportant development and modding is on a DEVELOPMENT AND MODDING forum. Especially when you come back talking about how much you've modded your phone AFTER saying that as long as you can talk and text you don't care, because it's a phone.
Agree with you on the locked bootloader being a non-issue for the most part. Of course, were it not for the locked bootloader, we would probably already have full gingerbread roms for this phone.
3 of my co-workers have dinc's. I much prefer my droid2.

I didn't say that you said people who own the phone suck, I just said that I believe you're reason for greatly disliking the phone is pretty foolish, especially since it can be worked around. Once a gingeebread rom leaks for our phones im sure that the locked bootloader wont even be relevant anymore.
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I didn't say that you said people who own the phone suck, I just said that I believe you're reason for greatly disliking the phone is pretty foolish, especially since it can be worked around. Once a gingeebread rom leaks for our phones im sure that the locked bootloader wont even be relevant anymore.
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You'd think I did as personally as you took it. The locked bootloader is relevant to me. If it's not relevant to you, fine. I'm glad you love your phone, enjoy it. I happen to not like mine.

Alright well this has gotten a little out of control. I basically got my opinion down so if a mod wants to close this thread I think that would be best as the bootloader is locked and there is nothing any of us here can do about it.

A crack flashers thoughts?

I currently have a G-Nex and started off flashing new ROMS fairly often, but as Android has matured I have found it less necessary to flash ROMS for performance purposes. I mainly flash ROMS now to try out various features ie Pie controls.
My question is any crack flasher out there buy the Moto X even though it will probably be limited in development? If so have you felt the need to flash ROMS or is the stock ROM stable/smooth enough to appease you? I know a dev version will be out eventually, but I'm wondering if it is necessary to wait for it.
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I was flashing my rom on my s4 about once a week if not more, sometimes a lot more. I've only had it two days but have not wanted to flash yet. I do want root though. The biggest thing I miss is paranoid android. I loved pie and being able to customize quick settings and pull down quick toggle from tip right of screen.
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I also really miss circle battery
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I just got the phone today.
I was a Galaxy Nexus user from launch day (Verizon). And let me tell you, the Moto X is AWESOME. The performance is incredible (I find it snappier than the GS4's I've played around with), the battery is far superior to what I had grown accustomed to on the GNex (and I haven't even gone through a full cycle yet, so it's just gonna get better!). The features like Active Notifications and Touchless Control are really nifty, especially the Active Notifications. Despite the screen being 4.7", the form factor is actually smaller than the Gnex which boggled my mind. I love how it feels in my hands.
At the moment, I'm not concerned about the lack of a dev community. I'm sure when 5.0 launches and I can't get a build running day of I'll be a little envious of the Nexus owners who do have it running (granted, I have a 2012 Nexus 7 so I'll at least be able to play with that haha). I do miss some things like Pie Controls, the Cyanogenmod MMS APK, having access to stuff like Titanium Backup and the like, but the positives with the Moto X far outweigh the stuff I miss. And who knows, someone might eventually crack the code and we might get the best of both worlds but until then, I'm more than pleased with this phone.

I used to be really bad but now all I want is root. Wouldn't mind a slightly custom rom to allow custom lock screen short cuts and get rid of the damn ATT logo but outside of that I really don't need anything that this phone doesn't offer.

All I miss is pie controls/full screen mode. Stock is smooth.
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tw1tch175 said:
I used to be really bad but now all I want is root. Wouldn't mind a slightly custom rom to allow custom lock screen short cuts and get rid of the damn ATT logo but outside of that I really don't need anything that this phone doesn't offer.
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I think some guys here have figured how to do that, we just need root on ATT

I was a crack flasher but i can bare to wait until we have root this stockish experience is amazing
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ShamanicEnzan said:
I think some guys here have figured how to do that, we just need root on ATT
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As i am one of the luck moto x which is rooted, xposed framework works surprisingly well, no need for a custom ROM, IMO any custom ROM will have all the Motorola goodies removed such as touch less control, may as well pick up a Sammy s4 and be like everyone else. Root is all you need
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flashallthetime said:
As i am one of the luck moto x which is rooted, xposed framework works surprisingly well, no need for a custom ROM, IMO any custom ROM will have all the Motorola goodies removed such as touch less control, may as well pick up a Sammy s4 and be like everyone else. Root is all you need
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Only AOSP roms, most devices have roms that stick pretty close to stock but give you a few tweaks to play with. That being said stock android really doesn't need much, the only thing I really want is customizable lockscreen shortcuts and a quick flashlight mod.

That's all available through xposed mods, the only thing I miss is the brightness slider.
Dual panel, full call screen pics, clock, battery, carrier label and more are all easily done with xposed. Cyanogenmod clock is available with an app
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MVPete1 said:
I just got the phone today.
I was a Galaxy Nexus user from launch day (Verizon). And let me tell you, the Moto X is AWESOME. The performance is incredible (I find it snappier than the GS4's I've played around with), the battery is far superior to what I had grown accustomed to on the GNex (and I haven't even gone through a full cycle yet, so it's just gonna get better!). The features like Active Notifications and Touchless Control are really nifty, especially the Active Notifications. Despite the screen being 4.7", the form factor is actually smaller than the Gnex which boggled my mind. I love how it feels in my hands.
At the moment, I'm not concerned about the lack of a dev community. I'm sure when 5.0 launches and I can't get a build running day of I'll be a little envious of the Nexus owners who do have it running (granted, I have a 2012 Nexus 7 so I'll at least be able to play with that haha). I do miss some things like Pie Controls, the Cyanogenmod MMS APK, having access to stuff like Titanium Backup and the like, but the positives with the Moto X far outweigh the stuff I miss. And who knows, someone might eventually crack the code and we might get the best of both worlds but until then, I'm more than pleased with this phone.
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Man that's good to hear. I have a GNote2 and was just getting tired of the big screen. I purchased the Moto X today and it seems like something that will satisfy my small phone craving. I will miss all the themes and titanium backup when rooted. So what you've just said puts my crack flashing needs at ease. Thanks. I do hope that someone is able to unlock the boot loader because after having a Droid X I thought I would never get a Motorola device again. I do wonder when the Developer Edition does become available if we will be able to trade in for one?
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All I want other than 4.3 (for trim) is root for adaway. Everything else is perfect on this device!
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No desire to flash a ROM with this phone. I just want to be able to use autostarts and TiB. Once we have root, it will be PERFECT.

Yeah I think the only thing I'd really want on the phone is 4.3 just because. I am curious though because it seems like Moto super optimized the kernel/software to run so smooth, I wonder if a custom rom would be unable to duplicate Moto's optimizations.

flashallthetime said:
As i am one of the luck moto x which is rooted, xposed framework works surprisingly well, no need for a custom ROM, IMO any custom ROM will have all the Motorola goodies removed such as touch less control, may as well pick up a Sammy s4 and be like everyone else. Root is all you need
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Yeah that's why I don't really want a bootloader unlock (it'd be nice) but rooting will let me do most of what I wanted.

Yeah the only thing I miss is root. Other than that its perfect. I have my nexus 7 for my flashing needs.
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robstunner said:
All I want other than 4.3 (for trim) is root for adaway. Everything else is perfect on this device!
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I've heard the Moto X already uses trim even though it's on 4.2.2. I'm getting a Verizon Moto X tomorrow. I can't believe I'm leaving the Nexus/Prepaid/Crackflasher lifestyle, but it's a long story.
I'm a dad and a very busy web/app developer, so I kind of look forward to no longer feeling the compulsion to constantly flash new ROMs. With the locked bootloader of the Verizon Moto X, I suppose that will help curb my urges
I've always loved how I can come to XDA, find a new ROM or mod, and suddenly my old smartphone feels like a new toy. I'm hoping that the Moto X will be such a solid device I can live without that somewhat time consuming and battery/stability endangering habit. Instead of being a leach on the Developer threads, I hope to become more of a contributor to other types of threads instead.

Was a crackflasher; constantly flashing ROMs to my S3 until I finally found a ROM I settled on (M.O.A.R) I love the near stock experience of the Moto X all I really want is root for adaway and it would be nice to get a ROM built off stock OTA with lockscreen tweaks and what not. Overall I'm loving this phone and can't get over how snappy this thing is!
On top of all that I don't have much time to mess with ROMs anymore as I am working full time and really need my phone to "just work" After a while you lose interest after setting up your phone for the millionth time! Coming from the S3 where AOSP was still very broken it is a nice change.

I was a frequent flasher, trying various ROMs on my Galaxy S3, and then Note 2, and then HTC One.
When I got the Moto X a few days ago I checked out the this new XDA forum section... and was (at the time) sad there were not alternative ROMs.
However, after a few days of use I discovered the Moto X stock ROM is GREAT! There really is nothing missing/annoying that would normally get me ROM hunting. Plus, there already is a XPosed module that offers some extra customization. And amazingly, the Rogers version of the phone has no bloatware at all that I can see.
So the great Moto X stock ROM has cured me of crack flashing!

I also am kind of happy to take a break from the crackflashing habit. My Note 2 was lucky to survive 3 days without me flashing some new ROM. I factory reset my X this morning due to a camera that wouldn't initialize here and there but I hope I can avoid that from here on out. Setting up everything again without Titanium Backup was a pain!!

Note 3 Purchase Regrets... should I stick with it?

Soooo, I recently purchased a Note 3 and I'm MOSTLY happy with a lot of things about the phone... BUT the idea that we may never get an unlocked bootloader (SOOO annoying, had a Thunderbolt for the last two years and was really looking forward to getting CM again!) is making me question whether I should stay with my new phone or not. Looking for a little advice on keeping the N3 or getting something new:
Pros:
1.) The hardware is incredible. Coming from the Thunderbolt, this thing is insanely fast.
2.) The screen is awesome. The size doesn't bother me at all.
3.) Battery life!
Cons:
1.) Touch Wiz. I used to own an original Droid and LOVED the OS, eventually switching to CM for added features. Most of the stuff I dislike I can turn off, but there's a lot of bloat and dumb ideas here. (Why Samsung makes me turn up the volume and say I won't explode my head every time I plug in headphones is insane... I'M PLUGGING IT INTO MY CAR AND I'M NO LONGER 12 YEARS OLD.)
2.) The screen isn't big enough to use as an e-reader. This is not a huge issue, I had just HOPED it would be... BUT, since that's the case, I could easily switch to another phone and get a tablet too and not feel bad about it.
3.) Gaming... again, I had hoped the N3 would be able to provide gaming and e-reader and phone all into one device, but Android games are really just too shallow for me.
Soooo, what it really comes down to is if you guys think this device will be unlocked down the line OR if you think I could adjust it to make a more stock android/ AOSP/ CM type experience. If I was able to put CM on here I would be sitting pretty. I'm just worried it will turn into a situation like the Thunderbolt with limited updates and no real way to get new software...
If I did get a new phone, what would you guys recommend? I'm looking at the HTC One, Nexus 5, LG G2 and Galaxy S4. I haven't yet looked into which ones have fully unlocked bootloaders with decent roms, but that would be a deal breaker.
Thanks for any and all help, you guys are awesome!!

It sounds (to me) like you should get rid of it and get a phone that you can put CM on. I, personally, have never been a fan of CM. I like miui (haven't had that working 100% on a phone for probably 3 years now though) or heavily modded stock roms more. But as far as speed and battery life. This thing is awesome. Big screen is a + for me too. And it's got more features than I care to use or learn which is also a + I guess.
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Ultimately it all comes down to what you want. I mean, if it doesn't live up to your standards why keep it? It's your money to spend how you see fit. Buy something you feel will be worthwhile. If you're looking for the original Android experience the Moto X is a sweet phone and easy to carry and use.
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Should I be able to sell this one for a decent price? It's basically brand new, always had a case and screen protector...

profman03 said:
Should I be able to sell this one for a decent price? It's basically brand new, always had a case and screen protector...
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Just a little FYI, i came to the note 3 from a razr maxx, also a locked bootloader using safestrap. It is an officially supported device in the CM build. Sure an unlocked bootloader is great no matter the phone, but a really solid phone can sometimes trump that one little perk. Just a different opinion for your process. Good Luck.

This thread will probably be closed and moved to the sticky, but here are my 2 cents.
Out of all the cons presented, the only one that can be fixed well is the "TouchWiz" problem. The other phones either have smaller displays and Android's game market isn't even close to that of iOS, and doesn't seem like it will be soon. I think the LG G2 is the best choice for you (if you are fine without removable battery and microSD). Same Snapdragon 800, similar large 1080p display (I personally prefer it more because it is nearly impossible to get an AMOLED without black marks or unevenness), and also a large battery. Check out their development, it has a lot of exciting stuff going on and CM11 is right now a WIP. I'd say it still has a lot of potential to grow further, and its already a great community now.
Personally, I wasn't that overwhelmed by the N3 (probably because I had the N2). Looking back, I would have taken the G2 (and the $100 savings at the time) but I was an unlimited glitch purchase and don't have much time to customize my phone anymore. I flashed like mad on DInc, GNex, and Note 2, but right now having a device that isn't wiped every week is what I need. In fact, I finished a whole month on the Android 4.0+ Data Usage page for the first time ever.

Yeah, didn't know if this was the right place to post this, so then I copied and pasted it into the Q&A forum... and was going to delete this... now I can't figure out how to delete either thread! Ah well, if there's a major issue, I'm sure a mod will just close it.
Thanks for the input. I'm certainly not sold on getting rid of my N3, just looking into it. As stated, there are a lot of things I love about this phone, and if I could make it better that would be great.
Yeah, the "cons" really aren't cons, but things that I had HOPED the phone would be able to do, but can't. This just makes me feel OK about switching to a smaller phone and then getting a tablet as well.

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This thread will probably be closed and moved to the sticky, but here are my 2 cents.
Out of all the cons presented, the only one that can be fixed well is the "TouchWiz" problem. The other phones either have smaller displays and Android's game market isn't even close to that of iOS, and doesn't seem like it will be soon. I think the LG G2 is the best choice for you (if you are fine without removable battery and microSD). Same Snapdragon 800, similar large 1080p display (I personally prefer it more because it is nearly impossible to get an AMOLED without black marks or unevenness), and also a large battery. Check out their development, it has a lot of exciting stuff going on and CM11 is right now a WIP. I'd say it still has a lot of potential to grow further, and its already a great community now.
Personally, I wasn't that overwhelmed by the N3 (probably because I had the N2). Looking back, I would have taken the G2 (and the $100 savings at the time) but I was an unlimited glitch purchase and don't have much time to customize my phone anymore. I flashed like mad on DInc, GNex, and Note 2, but right now having a device that isn't wiped every week is what I need. In fact, I finished a whole month on the Android 4.0+ Data Usage page for the first time ever.
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I have to agree. I love the phone but my flashaholic status is slowly going away. When I had the TP, TP2, Evo, Evo 3D and Rezound I'd have a new rom almost every three days. Depending on what the devs put out. I have never been an AOSP guy so CM never really meant alot to me. I understand that guys want flexibility. I have heard guys say they couldn't stand sense on HTC just as people want TW off their phone. I love the N3 and it's a nice step up from the S3 I had previously. I might kingo and safe strap once I'm done moving just because but I'm really kinda liking not wiping and restoring my phone all the time too. I may have to change my xda button in my signature to just senior member..
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I came to the note 3 from note 2. I want super impressed coming from n2, but ultimately will keep the n3 and sell my n2. I have to all out because every time I touch my n2 I miss it. I just think it feels better in my hands them does the n3.
I'm so over flashing. I was flashing a new rom at least twice a week. I'm happy with tw. Flashing, imo, is a complete waste of time. To me it kind of sounds like you're trying to talk yourself out of the Galaxy Note 3 and into a different phone simply because the boot loader is locked. If that is the case then yes I would try a phone that you could flash. I happen to have a Galaxy Note 2 with an unlocked bootloader and a stock rom on there if you are interested and it has all kinds of accessories.
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There are some great points in this thread. I have a note 2 that is pretty new to me. I absolutely love the phone and while I like the unlocked status, I feel I can get most of what I want from a phone with root and xposed modules. I like CM and AOSP ROMs, but the camera quality and options never seem as good with those builds. As a father, the camera has become one of the most important features of my smart phone. That said, I'm considering selling my N2 and HTC One and getting an N3, essentially committing to no more flashing.
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profman03 said:
Yeah, didn't know if this was the right place to post this, so then I copied and pasted it into the Q&A forum... and was going to delete this... now I can't figure out how to delete either thread! Ah well, if there's a major issue, I'm sure a mod will just close it.
Thanks for the input. I'm certainly not sold on getting rid of my N3, just looking into it. As stated, there are a lot of things I love about this phone, and if I could make it better that would be great.
Yeah, the "cons" really aren't cons, but things that I had HOPED the phone would be able to do, but can't. This just makes me feel OK about switching to a smaller phone and then getting a tablet as well.
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You had the exact same phones as me minus the tp.
Tp2, evo, evo 3D, rezound, N3.
Galaxy Note 3, HTC Rezound, HTC Evo 3D, HTC Evo, HTC Touch Pro 2, LG Voyager

Well, before I make any decisions I'm going to root and install xposed and see if I can get all the functionality I want that way. I'm still not too familiar with it since it wasn't a thing on the Thunderbolt... BUT, it looks like it can do a lot of things I want.

From what I have seen so far with this phone is a root with some theming is plenty. Just flashing kernels never really (to me) felt like they did anything. I came from the s3, so just rooting debloating with some greenify makes this phone amazing.
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I say keep your Note 3, root it, freeze/remove bloatware, and customize with Wanam Xposed. As far as your "CONS" go, it sounds like you're going to need a tablet in addition to the Note 3. What kind of gaming are you looking to do? Do you just want something that has a bigger screen/better hardware?
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Well, before I make any decisions I'm going to root and install xposed and see if I can get all the functionality I want that way. I'm still not too familiar with it since it wasn't a thing on the Thunderbolt... BUT, it looks like it can do a lot of things I want.
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Between freezing bloat and xposed framework, its my opinion that custom stock based ROMs are starting to become obsolete. AOSP is a slightly different story.
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Just rooted, put xposed on there and wanam. Now I'm adjusting settings and debloating... things are looking up.

I'll sell u my mint verizon note 2..already unlocked running beans right now.

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Between freezing bloat and xposed framework, its my opinion that custom stock based ROMs are starting to become obsolete. AOSP is a slightly different story.
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+1 Imo custom stock roms were never considered actual developing in the early android days. They were more so considered themes and the guys creating them were called Chefs. Something changed in the last couple years...however AOSP is were "real development" exists. Xposed app has pretty much shifted things back the other direction allowing the end user to modify a stock rom fairly easy. That combined with a few apps like Ninja morph to modify the framework.res files and the end user can create a custom stock rom fairly easy. I mainly run beans because of the AOSP themeing and I tweak the rest in myself. Dont take me wrong I appreciate guys like Beans because its time consuming doing the things he does.

Anyone interested in trading for a verizon lg g2? Already rooted, too...
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After messing around with root, and xposed for a while, I'm less concerned that there won't be enough support on this device to do the things that I want. I do have a few more questions, though:
1.) Has anyone started a list of all the apps that come on the stock rom and which we can freeze or delete entirely? (I will happily start this thread if there's interest and support for it.)
2.) Does anyone know how to prevent the volume getting reduced after plugging in headphones? I use my phone for music in my car and would really appreciate it if I didn't have to turn up the volume every time I plugged it in. (Wanam has an option to prevent the warning pop up, but the volume still gets reduced.)

[OFFICIAL OFF-TOPIC LOUNGE] Talk about (most) anything

Hi all you Verizon Note 4 owners,
I noticed there wasn't an off topic thread for you guys & gals to talk about non-Note 4 related things, so I've created this place to do just that. This will be the only place off-topic discussions are allowed.
Of course, not anything goes, stick to the rules and keep it civil. Report any questionable post(s) & don't let things get out of hand or it'll be closed.
Thanks & Enjoy!

So anyone read theres speculation that Lollipop isnt coming to the Note 4 till may. Im not too worried about it myself cause my DE is perfect, however my wife is disappointed (she has retail version) as some of her friends got it on their phones (S5, and some other brands) and she cant understand what's taking so long, after I explained things to her shes not convinced and feels lile we are being screwed. Ahh the joys life.

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So anyone read theres speculation that Lollipop isnt coming to the Note 4 till may. Im not too worried about it myself cause my DE is perfect, however my wife is disappointed (she has retail version) as some of her friends got it on their phones (S5, and some other brands) and she cant understand what's taking so long, after I explained things to her shes not convinced and feels lile we are being screwed. Ahh the joys life.
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I'm in the same boat as you. I got the DE and wife got retail. She wants some lollipop. I told her she's out of luck and the only lollipop she'll be getting is from me lol

I love the android system but there is one game I miss the most from apple. Fantastic Contraption. If you never heard of it YouTube it. It is an amazing game. I am sure this is probably one of the dumbest question ever but can it be ported to android?
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Android_Fr3ak said:
I love the android system but there is one game I miss the most from apple. Fantastic Contraption. If you never heard of it YouTube it. It is an amazing game. I am sure this is probably one of the dumbest question ever but can it be ported to android?
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I miss one thing about apple, camera+ app. The best photo editing app in existence and the developer "tap tap tap" doesn't want to come to android. Just being an a$$.
Other than that apple is like a bad history for me. lol

I learned a shocking feature on iPhones the other day, if you go into the privacy settings there is a feature in there that tracks your address the time you spent there where you travel to everything you do in plain English and very easily accessible. Does android have a feature like that built in? I hope not lol not that I go any place bad it just seemed a little intrusive. I do know they have GPS and all that but that was really precise.
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droidxxxxx said:
I learned a shocking feature on iPhones the other day, if you go into the privacy settings there is a feature in there that tracks your address the time you spent there where you travel to everything you do in plain English and very easily accessible. Does android have a feature like that built in? I hope not lol not that I go any place bad it just seemed a little intrusive. I do know they have GPS and all that but that was really precise.
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I don't know, but we do have a file in the system called "mobile tracker" that is, I think, used to track your phone just in case you lose it. Not sure, but I usually freeze/delete it with titanium back up. Also, if you're rooted, you can always install xprivacy module that prevents anything you suspect.

What's the longest you guys ever went without rooting your devices? I would say a month, I've just gotten my first Android phone (ZTE Warp) and the bootloader wasn't unlocked yet, I checked the forums every day until I seen the almighty *HOW TO ROOT ZTE WARP* boy was I excited. Ever since then I've never owned a android if I couldn't root it but this might be my first time, I'm looking to purchase the note 4 this April or May I only have the option of getting the att&t or Verizon variant (just my luck, lol) most likely I'll chose which ever gets rooted first. I'm sure by either April or May it should be rooted.

MartyMar_XVII said:
What's the longest you guys ever went without rooting your devices? I would say a month, I've just gotten my first Android phone (ZTE Warp) and the bootloader wasn't unlocked yet, I checked the forums every day until I seen the almighty *HOW TO ROOT ZTE WARP* boy was I excited. Ever since then I've never owned a android if I couldn't root it but this might be my first time, I'm looking to purchase the note 4 this April or May I only have the option of getting the att&t or Verizon variant (just my luck, lol) most likely I'll chose which ever gets rooted first. I'm sure by either April or May it should be rooted.
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I had my Verizon HTC One M7 for a couple months before it was rooted, and even then you had to send your phone away and pay $25. I think a month or two after that beaups and someone else came up with a method that worked pretty well on linux and that was it. Then I had the M8 for a couple of months until there was a way but it also cost $25 and ran directly on the phone. I'm not so much concerned about root, really. I just want ****ing lollipop.

Hey everyone. Trafalger888. Used to be an RC but haven't been around for a couple years. Life happened. Just getting back into everything. Lits of catching up to do. Just wanted to make a quick introduction.

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I had my Verizon HTC One M7 for a couple months before it was rooted, and even then you had to send your phone away and pay $25. I think a month or two after that beaups and someone else came up with a method that worked pretty well on linux and that was it. Then I had the M8 for a couple of months until there was a way but it also cost $25 and ran directly on the phone. I'm not so much concerned about root, really. I just want ****ing lollipop.
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U gotta be [email protected]$!n me! You had to send your phone away? Lol
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You know I wasn't so bothered at first by the lack of lollipop, in my past I was changing roms several times a week or day to get things going however thats changed now since I got my DE. What bothers me now now about the delay and the S6 and other things do I want to stay with Samsung anymore after this breaks or I want a new phone. Is it really time to say that Samsung is just isnt what it could should be?

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You know I wasn't so bothered at first by the lack of lollipop, in my past I was changing roms several times a week or day to get things going however thats changed now since I got my DE. What bothers me now now about the delay and the S6 and other things do I want to stay with Samsung anymore after this breaks or I want a new phone. Is it really time to say that Samsung is just isnt what it could should be?
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I don't know. I have always enjoyed their product. But the delays can be frustrating. I agree. This is the one thing lacking for me. Yet I still continue to purchase their phones, because in the end they still do make the best phone. Just my opinion of course.

My wife has a retail note 4 and while she doesn't understand all the issues tied with lollipop right now she feels dumped. I dont see the big deal myself as im happy the way my phone is however for roms things have been VERY slow going... but then again im not really sure what other roms are going to bring that I cant do myself. Which I think most of us DE owners can do. I think if root was found and oprn bootloader things might be alot different but whats bothering me is Samsung's direction right now. If this is signs of the Note 5 and 6 etc. I just might go elsewhere. Some videos were released today showing the note 4 against the S6 and only slight speed differences in actual use and even camera loading. So over all for now Im happy to have a removable battery and SD card and a unlocked bootloader.

I can imagine how overloaded this section will be the minute root has been achieved, 404 errors and everything, lol. Anyway being that this is a off topic thread, I would like to say that the snow here in NY is annoying -__- .

How about the release of Sprints SM-N910P Lolipop.. Two questions who wants to see what they can do with it and see what works (of course it will lack advanced calling version X. Then comes the question will this influence Verizon to release it.

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My wife has a retail note 4 and while she doesn't understand all the issues tied with lollipop right now she feels dumped. I dont see the big deal myself as im happy the way my phone is however for roms things have been VERY slow going... but then again im not really sure what other roms are going to bring that I cant do myself. Which I think most of us DE owners can do. I think if root was found and oprn bootloader things might be alot different but whats bothering me is Samsung's direction right now. If this is signs of the Note 5 and 6 etc. I just might go elsewhere. Some videos were released today showing the note 4 against the S6 and only slight speed differences in actual use and even camera loading. So over all for now Im happy to have a removable battery and SD card and a unlocked bootloader.
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And yes root and an open bootloader would be nice. Look what happened with the S3 though. But I truly feel that the release and things like the locked bootloaders are not so much the manufacturer but the carrier. I may be wrong but I beleieve that pressure from the carrier is the main reason they do this.

What are the chances of me swapping a one month old Note 4 for a Nexus 6? Good or slim to none

Did you use a regular 2 year upgrade or edge to get the note 4?
Your best bet would be calling customer service. But even that is entirely dependent on how nice of a rep you get. If one says no politely hang up and call back. They make notes on your account when you call so don't call a bunch in 1 day. I work at an authorized retailer and most stores can't do anything after the 14 days.
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Samsung vs. HTC now that some key features are being taken away. Hmm.