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Hi there!
Just got my first "Hero only" phonebill after getting the device and I must say I'm pretty shocked. It was 3 times normal!
I have only used Facebook INTERMITTANTLY and not logged in under the "Social" function. Twitter has been off. I haven't used email yet. I have only used Android Market under wifi and my only real usage has been various news sites with iPhone adapted webpages.
The only thing I can tell that's "on" has been the weather.
So I installed 3G Watchdog to monitor the usage and this is what I found out:
- In a twelve hour window with
- No Browser usage, no Facebook/Twitter/Flickr/Market
- Setting for Google has been "Enable background data usage" but not Auto-sync
- No Exchange usage or email
- Enable always on mobile has been activated
- No other internet function is activated as I can tell
- This has resulted in 610kb if data usage, that's 1.2mb in 24hrs
- That's 36MB a month, 436mb a year (and I pay per mb)
To me, this is "data out the widow" which I havent used, but the Phone has somehow "eaten" up.
I feel as though I havent got much control over how and when the Hero used data, the settings are not "clear" in the Android/Hero settings on administrating data usage. In my instance, it uses data without me needing it.
Is there any way to monitor WHICH program or function uses data without need? Ie. something like 3G Watchdog but more detailed?
there is net-counter.. but its familiar to 3g watchdog..
Android phones, and phones like them (e.g.iPhone) are really not designed to be used with "pay per MB" plan. I couldn't tell you what processes are going to be "consuming" data, but I'd consider 1.2MB to be pretty insignificant, though I understand that if you're paying by the MB your opinion would be significantly different.
I know it's probably not much help, but if I were you, since you are not using any of the "push" facilities of the device (e.g. GMail) I'd be inclined to switch off mobile internet and only switch it on as you need it.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
Android phones, and phones like them (e.g.iPhone) are really not designed to be used with "pay per MB" plan. I couldn't tell you what processes are going to be "consuming" data, but I'd consider 1.2MB to be pretty insignificant, though I understand that if you're paying by the MB your opinion would be significantly different.
I know it's probably not much help, but if I were you, since you are not using any of the "push" facilities of the device (e.g. GMail) I'd be inclined to switch off mobile internet and only switch it on as you need it.
Regards,
Dave
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Good advise there for you. 1.2Mb is very little though in the big scheme of things. Its about a minute of a typical MP3 or less than the capacity of a floppy disk (if you remember those).
The phone is designed to be used with an unlimited data plan - its a cloud based phone really.
As an aside, I do think these plans are still too expensive in reality.
foxmeister said:
Android phones, and phones like them (e.g.iPhone) are really not designed to be used with "pay per MB" plan. I couldn't tell you what processes are going to be "consuming" data, but I'd consider 1.2MB to be pretty insignificant, though I understand that if you're paying by the MB your opinion would be significantly different.
I know it's probably not much help, but if I were you, since you are not using any of the "push" facilities of the device (e.g. GMail) I'd be inclined to switch off mobile internet and only switch it on as you need it.
Regards,
Dave
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I'm aware of this fact Dave, I had the Diamond before I got the Hero. But what I lack is a built in function to "control and monitior usage". As of right now, it seems like it lives it's own life. If you have an unlimited plan, you wont really care. But Another point is the fact that this "unwanted" data usage consumes battery power and thus limits the battery life.
All I want is to be in control of my phone....
I am considering an unlimited plan or a 1gb/2gb plan. But there is a "cap" on my current plan where I won't pay for data over 3MB every day, but it's still a lot when you use that much every day.
You could try something like Droidwall ( http://code.google.com/p/droidwall/ ), but this only works for rooted devices.
At least you should be able to "whitelist" the apps that you want to be able to talk to the outside world, and see if this has any material effect on your data usage.
Regards,
Dave
Perhaps something obvious, but have you turned off the 'always on mobile data'?
You can find that under the wireless controls, mobile network settings.
And with a lot stuff (like the weather applet) you can disable the automatic updates.
Also turn off some data sync stuff under settings, data synchronization.(Google services for example).
Hope this helps a bit, although you might have done this already
Droid wall might help otherwise as a previous post also says
I had the same problem as I don't have a plan and my carrier charges per mb , so I installed APNdroid (it changes the APN settings , and restores it if you want to use mobile network ) .
HTC even provide a widget to turn mobile data on and off quickly. Put it on your Home screen.
I used this while on vacation to avoid huge data costs.
Also set Google synchronisation to non automatic, sync it when you need too.
TBH though, the Hero is such a data centric device, its pretty boring with no live data connection... as are iPhone and any other smartphone.
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Perhaps something obvious, but have you turned off the 'always on mobile data'?
You can find that under the wireless controls, mobile network settings.
And with a lot stuff (like the weather applet) you can disable the automatic updates.
Also turn off some data sync stuff under settings, data synchronization.(Google services for example).
Hope this helps a bit, although you might have done this already
Droid wall might help otherwise as a previous post also says
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"Always on" should not use up data as it is only there to keep the connection open so the phone doesn't have to connect each time an application needs to use 2G/3G/3.5G
I disabled the always on, weather etc... but something is still consuming data. Must be one of the apps circumventing the phone settings.
But my point is this, it is to diffucult/complicated/cumbersome/unintuetive so control the amount of data the Hero uses.
Also make sure stocks is set not to update.
If you are really concerned then just turn mobile data off until you need to use it (via the widget).
The point of these type of phone is to connect to many different services. Its simple to turn all data off if you wish.
The expectation for the smartphone is that it will be dragging information in constantly, keeping you up to date with your social network.
However, you might try WiSyncPlus to automatically disable data access when you are not in range of known WiFi networks. That might be the easiest way of controlling your data consumption over the cell/mobile network.
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The new official Facebook App was to blame for almost the entire 1,2mb a day usage. I did not log out, just pressed the home button and the app was running in the background updating.
Is this a bug? Is there any need for it to update when you don't have it open? I'm thinking battery power here as well as data usage.
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The new official Facebook App was to blame for almost the entire 1,2mb a day usage. I did not log out, just pressed the home button and the app was running in the background updating.
Is this a bug? Is there any need for it to update when you don't have it open? I'm thinking battery power here as well as data usage.
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The "Home" button doesn't actually shut down the app , it merely puts it to sleep. The "Back" button on the other hand closes the app and removes it from memory.
Linux has it very own and famous scheduler which on its own manages sleeping apps and can discard them from memory at will when the need for more memory exists
In settings you have the option to set the refresh interval, you can change it to 0. Might also be worth using a task manager to kill unwanted programs.
Devs need to write their apps correctly TBH. If its in the background and the user has not set its background processes to keep working, then it should stay silent.
ONLY if a user elects to have background processes running should an app continue to work away.
A simple setting in an apps preferences is all thats needed.
The back button to kill apps... thats pretty silly TBH especially with Browser. You would have to hit back multiple times to return to the very first web page you opened before you actually exited the app... very cumbersome.
Again, a simple setting in each app and indeed globally in the Hero's settings would make life far less confusing.
I am 2 days into my month with Koodo, but I am already at 4 gigs just in 3 hours. I checked my usage to see when and it looked like I was getting about 95mb usage per minute for like an hour. I thought at first that it was from tethering, but then I saw it was also before I was tethering, so it has to be from my phone. Any apps that can see this stuff?
Thanks
Joe
Assuming you aren't on a custom ROM it should be built in. from the home screen tap menu > system settings > Connections (tab on the top) > Data Usage and scroll down. you can also change your data usage cycle to get it to be a little more accurate. If you're using a custom ROM you still have the potential of that being built in.
If you want to go even further and have a rooted device, you can try Network Log on the Google Play store...
play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.googlecode.networklog&hl=en
I think Onavo Count is great to do this and it has another app called Onavo Extend that compresses your data and gets you more bang for your GB's
Has anybody noticed that my magazine and flip board use a lot of data? Well it's mostly the Flipboard app. I can read the news for maybe 20 minutes and goes through a few articles and it can rack up almost 50 megabytes of data whereas if I use my browser (Opera) I use maybe 10 megabytes of data for the same amount of reading. It looks great but not easy on the monthly data allowance.
Agreed - they are data and processor and battery hogs.
If you need your news updates I'd rather suggest MyBoard (added by Samsung to S5 in Germany, don't know about other markets) or very similar Taptu app - they work great with minimum data usage. If you configure them to open stuff with internal browser it'll be even lighter on the data usage.
Anyhow - in most cases the articles load without pictures - and I'm happy with that - and if you want to access those just tap on the bottom to open in browser (internal to the app or external - in your case and mine Opera).
Hope this helps
Thanks good to know I'm not the only one. I don't really need it that much but just pass time while I'm waiting for something. Looks like I will stick with my browser instead of using flipboard.
My previously phone was just a low budget Xperia X8 but I was used to only have to charge it each 2/3 days with normal usage.
So, after buying the Moto G 2nd Gen and having to charge it twice a day in the first days of usage (heavy usage I must say), I started to try to find ways how I could optimize the battery of my new phone.
I started reading about how what changed with newer versions of Android, the issues lollipop has and the impact services and apps have on the battery life in current versions of Android with the technologies our phone has.
I started looking into tasker and many other apps, and thinking in rooting my phone to have even more control over the battery usage, but even without rooting, I manage to make it last 3 days with normal usage (more than 7 hours on screen time heavy usage).
At that time I was like "Great! Now I only have to charge it once every 3 days just like my old Xperia X8". But then it came to me, my smartphone wasn't actually that smart after all the tweaks I had to make to save its battery.
At that point I started to do lots of tests to check what's really draining the battery and after all those tests now I have a battery that lasts 2/3 days with normal usage while having a true smartphone!
This is what you should do:
Note: I have the model XT1068 and I'm using two sim cards with it, and you'll need the app tasker for a crucial step but you will NOT need root.
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WHAT YOU SHOULD DISABLE:
- Disable "Ok Google" detection -> big battery drainer
- Disable the following apps:
Assist
Motorola Alert
Motorola Contextual Services
Motorola Migration
Motorola One Time Init
Motorola Notification
HP print service (you already have google cloud print service)
Motorola Init Services
Help
Motorola One Time Init
You should also disable all the google apps you don't want to use.
- Disable Wifi always on network search
- Disable Wifi every time you are not using it
- Disable Auto-Sync (you'll have auto-sync back in a more smart and efficient way using tasker)
- Disable Ambient Notifications (you already have the notification led to warn you about incoming notifications)
- Disable Audio Effects
- Temporarily enable auto-sync so you could manually disable all the apps you don't need to be synced (ex.: Google Plus, Drive, etc). Disable auto-sync after you are done with the changes.
- Disable all those reports being automatically sent (sorry developers, but that really adds up to the battery usage with multiple apps doing it)
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WHAT YOU SHOULD ENABLE TO KEEP YOUR PHONE SMART
(Unless you don't ever use it)
- Enable Bluetooth (Bluetooth 4.0 consumes nearly 0 battery while not paired to a device, even paired it consumes little power with newer devices)
- Enable Mobile Data
- Enable location in high precision mode (it will activate GPS when an app needs it)
- Enable Auto- Brightness (adjust the brightness slider to 60% or less after that, the lower the better)
- Enable notification light
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SETTINGS AND TIPS
- If you don't have a really strong 3g sinal switch to 2g mode
- Set the screen to go off after 30 second or 1 minute
- Use a magnetic flip cover so it automatically awakes your device and also automatically makes the screen go off when you close it
- Do not use apps known for their heavy impact on battery !VERY IMPORTANT! ( Use Chrome to access facebook, don't let your online messaging apps be always on, etc.)
- Don't use wifi with a bad signal, well, better said don't use any network with a low signal or else your battery will drain fast. Enable Air plain mode if your network signal is really low.
- Keep your internal storage with >600MB of free storage
- Use only simple methods of unlocking your phone (Don't use anything that uses location services, camera, microphone, etc.)
- Do not let apps being always on using network services like GPS (adjust the app setting so it only uses when you use the app)
- Get rid of any app you installed but don't need
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Tasker: Making your phone more efficient
- Create a profile that goes on while you have AC power connected and when it goes on it enables Wi-fi and Auto-Sync, when it goes off it disables those features.
- Create another profile that repeats from the time you wake up until the average time you go to bed, and make it repeat every 2 or more hours (depends on your sync needs). What it should do is enable auto.sync, wait 3 minutes, then disable auto-sync
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Congratulations now you have a true smartphone with a good battery life!
I think I didn't forget about anything, but if I did I will edit this post.
Actually, disable any unused or unwanted app and install Greenify to force quit the rest of these apps you can't disable.
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Actually, disable any unused or unwanted app and install Greenify to force quit the rest of these apps you can't disable.
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For Greenify to work as intended you need to have root access on your device. For those with root access Greenify can be a great way to freeze apps you really need but are programmed to be always running in the background. Without root access Greenify to work automatically consumes a lot of battery because it needs to turn on your screen while the device is asleep.
I decided to not talk about root methods to keep this guide accessible to everyone
rbmaster said:
For Greenify to work as intended you need to have root access on your device. For those with root access Greenify can be a great way to freeze apps you really need but are programmed to be always running in the background. Without root access Greenify to work automatically consumes a lot of battery because it needs to turn on your screen while the device is asleep.
I decided to not talk about root methods to keep this guide accessible to everyone
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Actually, disable any unused or unwanted app and install Greenify to force quit the rest of these apps you can't disable.
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*Duplicate Thread*
The guide how to get the best possible battery life on your moto g deals with all this and goes into advanced and root methods to reduce battery consumption on your device
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Duck86 said:
*Duplicate Thread*
The guide how to get the best possible battery life on your moto g deals with all this and goes into advanced and root methods to reduce battery consumption on your device
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It's not a duplicate thread. In your guide the goal is to have the best battery life possible but for that it compromises a lot of the features that makes the phone smart, it compromises convenience of use for every 0.01% of battery life possible.
I read it and it's a well written guide but with a very different goal. The goal of this guide is to have a good battery life while having most of the smart features available.
Sorry, you have too much conflicting info in this guide. Having auto brightness enabled certainly doesn't make it a smart phone and definitely not set at 60%. Suggesting having data always on isn't always a good move, especially for those with limited data.
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Tel864 said:
Sorry, you have too much conflicting info in this guide. Having auto brightness enabled certainly doesn't make it a smart phone and definitely not set at 60%. Suggesting having data always on isn't always a good move, especially for those with limited data.
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Auto = automatically, that's a smart feature, it adjusts the brightness of the screen automatically. Nowadays, the way it is programmed makes it way more battery efficient than before. Adjusting it at a maximum of 60% is just a guideline, but 60% auto brightness is not 60% brightness., the value is just a guideline for the auto brightness algorithm.
About the data always on, having data on doesn't require that much extra power, it only drains more power IF some application requests data. While not the most efficient solution, in Android Lollipop there's no better way to keep feature like auto.sync on without having the data always on, unless you have root access. If you have root access you can set up tasker to automatically enable and disable mobile data when the phone tries to auto.sync and/or when the screen is on.
As I said previously, this is a guide for everyone, no root access required, and the goal is to have the phone with as many smart features on as possible while retaining a good enough battery life. You can have all those features on and still have a good battery life, is it worth to disable most of the features of our phones just to gain a little extra battery life? I mean, if you really want to make your phone's battery last weeks just turn it off ^^'. Now seriously, I have auto-sync for all the features I need, I have location services apps all running fine, I can pair my Bluetooth devices just by turning them on, I can simply open the gps app in my car and it will get signal without me doing anything else, I can take a picture and immediately send to someone over the internet without having to do anything else, and many many other features I have that I wouldn't if I just turned everything off to get a little extra battery. Not worth for me, I want a smartphone, I want to take it out of my pocket and having it ready to use.
Follow this guide and check the difference in battery life it makes, than tell me if it is not worth. Well, for certain profiles I can see it not being worth, I mean if you use your phone primarily for gaming or if you don't use almost any of the feature a smartphone has, I can totally see the point in having them turned off.
Edit: Forgot to talk about the limited data plans. I have a very limited data plan, 500MB per month but communication apps don't have a limit on my data plan (facebook, skype, what's app, snapshot, etc). I never used the 500MB of the mobile data, when wi fi is available I use it and only transfer large files over wifi, so as you can see even 500MB is enough to browse the web and sync my services. If you don't have a data plan or yours not enough for you then you have to choices: 1- Get a data plan suitable for your needs; 2- Disable Mobile Data. Back to the guide, there's people too with limited data plans in their home connections, using wifi, should I tell everyone to have wi fi always turned off because of those people?
If your data plan has limitations, that's something you have to take in mind but has nothing to do with the phone itself. If I have no money for a vehicle, I have to travel by foot, should I tell everyone to travel by foot? I hope you get my point and sorry for the wall of text.
rbmaster said:
It's not a duplicate thread. In your guide the goal is to have the best battery life possible but for that it compromises a lot of the features that makes the phone smart, it compromises convenience of use for every 0.01% of battery life possible.
I read it and it's a well written guide but with a very different goal. The goal of this guide is to have a good battery life while having most of the smart features available.
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Dude, not trying to argue with you here, I'm just saying that everything you've mentioned here is also in my guide. People can pick and choose what they want from it.
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I have auto-sync for all the features I need, I have location services apps all running fine, I can pair my Bluetooth devices just by turning them on, I can simply open the gps app in my car and it will get signal without me doing anything else, I can take a picture and immediately send to someone over the internet without having to do anything else, and many many other features I have that I wouldn't if I just turned everything off to get a little extra battery. Not worth for me, I want a smartphone, I want to take it out of my pocket and having it ready to use.
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I can do everything you just said on my phone. I haven't sacrificed any smart capabilities, but I also get 3 days usage from my phone In fact, with tasker, I don't have to do any switching on or off. It does it all for me. That's the point of it, and why it is such a good battery saver.
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Dude, not trying to argue with you here, I'm just saying that everything you've mentioned here is also in my guide. People can pick and choose what they want from it.
I can do everything you just said on my phone. I haven't sacrificed any smart capabilities, but I also get 3 days usage from my phone In fact, with tasker, I don't have to do any switching on or off. It does it all for me. That's the point of it, and why it is such a good battery saver.
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Following your guide you get: No no bluetooth, no network connection during the night, no location services, no auto-brightness, no possibility to download files over wifi while the screen is off, etc. Of course people could read it and chose only what they want, but then they wouldn't be following your guide.
What I suggest in this guide is a very different approach from yours. In this guide, the goal is to have the most features on as possible, while having a good battery life. The goal of your guide is to have the maximum battery life while the phone is on while maintaining basic functionality.
Different approach, different goal, I don't see how this can be seen as a duplicate.
Edit: Oh, and to follow your guide there's the need to have root access.
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Following your guide you get: No no bluetooth, no network connection during the night, no location services, no auto-brightness, no possibility to download files over wifi while the screen is off, etc. Of course people could read it and chose only what they want, but then they wouldn't be following your guide.
What I suggest in this guide is a very different approach from yours. In this guide, the goal is to have the most features on as possible, while having a good battery life. The goal of your guide is to have the maximum battery life while the phone is on while maintaining basic functionality.
Different approach, different goal, I don't see how this can be seen as a duplicate.
Edit: Oh, and to follow your guide there's the need to have root access.
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Why do you need network services when you are asleep? Bluetooth is available whenever you want, just use tasker to automate it. Similarly, use tasker to automate location services. I clearly say in the guide that if you *need* auto brightness you can adjust it to your own specification using gravitybox. Its perfectly easy to download files when the screen is off, just change the the threshold in tasker. Admittedly, I didn't mention that, but If that's the only problem, I can add that into the tutorial
You don't need root access for all of the tutorial. I have a whole section devoted to basic ROM settings, which has everything you have in your op. Plus tasker and greenify sections that don't necessarily need root for everything.
But whatever, you know best.
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Why do you need network services when you are asleep? Bluetooth is available whenever you want, just use tasker to automate it. Similarly, use tasker to automate location services. I clearly say in the guide that if you *need* auto brightness you can adjust it to your own specification using gravitybox. Its perfectly easy to download files when the screen is off, just change the the threshold in tasker. Admittedly, I didn't mention that, but If that's the only problem, I can add that into the tutorial
You don't need root access for all of the tutorial. I have a whole section devoted to basic ROM settings, which has everything you have in your op. Plus tasker and greenify sections that don't necessarily need root for everything.
But whatever, you know best.
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I don't understand what's your point. You go into another thread (this thread) and start to make comparisons between your guide and this guide. They are two different guides and in no point I refer to your guide. This is just another guide, and the goal of the guide is clearly explained in the OP. This is not a contest to see who's guide is better as far as I know.
And I'll repeat one more time, to make more advanced automation tasks using tasker (like enabling and disabling network access) you need root access, specially in Android Lollipop. You also need root access for greenify and similar apps. This guide is for everyone, no root required for anything. People see it, and follow if they like. After following they check how their phone is performing. If it's performing to their expectations great, if not they will probably check other guides until they find something they like..
About Bluetooth, I suggest you to read first on how Bluetooth 4.0 works first before arguing about it. You can start here, in the good old Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_low_energy
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For Greenify to work as intended you need to have root access on your device. For those with root access Greenify can be a great way to freeze apps you really need but are programmed to be always running in the background. Without root access Greenify to work automatically consumes a lot of battery because it needs to turn on your screen while the device is asleep.
I decided to not talk about root methods to keep this guide accessible to everyone
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I don't have rooted phone and I'm using manually Greenify & Greenify shortcut hibernate & lock to shut down apps, which sometimes automatically starts. As I don't play games, listen music and chat, phone is quite usable with this setup. With KitKat (I think most is the same with LolliPop) I made a list of the disabled apps:
android live wallpapers
aonlt
assist
audio effects
basic daydreams
bowsermessage
bubbles
chrome (using boat browser)
com.android.provider.partber
com.android.wallpaper.holospirit
com.motorola.mesh
com.motorola.multisimsettings
com.motorola.interfaceperm
com.qualcomm.qcom_qmi
configupdates
cqatest
devicemanagement
email (using profimail)
echange services
face unlock
fm radio
gallery (using quickpick)
gmail
google korean keyboard
google launcher config (using apex launcher)
google one time init
google partner setup
google play movies
google play kiosk
google play music
google play games
google play books
google hindy input
google keyboard (using multiling)
google voice
google pinyin input
goole ++
hangouts
help
hp print service plugin
html viewer
iwnn ime
iwnn keyboard
magic smoke wallpapers
market feedback agent
motorola alert
motorola boot services
motorola checkin
motorola contextual services
motorola migrate
motorola notification
motorola one time init
music visulaization wallpapers
oma client provisioning
phasebeam
photo screensavers
picasa uploader
cloudprinting
preset
print spooler
setupwizard
setup
talkback
trusted devices
youtube
I tried this guide and I can confirm that there's is a noticeable increase in battery life. My phone isn't rooted, and all my attempts to keep battery consumption as low as possible in the past resulted in having a phone by far less "smart" than it is now. Many thanks rbmaster .
I really couldn't follow that other guide there were too many applications it was too lengthy, this one really seems to the best, disabled everything I was told + going to download the app tasker.
Note... the info below is old hat... I have made a breakthrough to breaking the 10 hr barrier of continual usage. Right now it is still in testing phase, will the latest Google Services and Play Store. Will post my final addition next week or so. Stay tuned!
Yes, I just figured out what is needed to get the most out of stock 4.4.2 with the latest google services as of Jan 15th.
The key is blocking a select set of services within play store and play services.
As of recent, Google has disclosed that more integration and services will be added to the upcoming update. So i aso included disabling auto system updates.
So my list of blocked services will include everything needed to keep your device from creating more battery drain and issues later.
Posted an attached file for a disable service. The config file is to restore, and use to auto block your Google Services. Since it covers a lot of apps, it will take some time depending on how many apps you have that are in the list.
Yes, I included within the configuration file, is disabled un needed services in popular apps. They do not break or create errors. Only a few apps may loose sync or notification functionality, but can be undone within disable service by opening the apps services list and selecting the disabled service to enable it.
Known issues with apps.
Peel smart remote for S5, and for Tab, both have update info pushed to notifications. They no longer do the push through notification, which many users complain about.
Google Geofence service is disabled... no longer are you able to setup a parameter around you to set actions when leaving and entering. Also Maps and other apps that require geofence will not be able to search around your location for active people around you. Though location works just fine, so maps works pretty much like the old way of placing you where you are at, and populating the map with POI Info.
Google Network Location is disabled. Both Google Geofence and Network Location eat up bits of bandwidth and 2% of battery power per hour, no matter if they are used or not. No longer network location will assist in tracking you. Google will rely on GPS only.
Widgets on Google and stock apps, most may not function. I personally dislike widgets as they eat resources, and I can do most anything I need without widgets, and most of the time just as fast.
Google Fileapkintentoperation service, reporting, and measurement service all have been disabled. Don't report any usage back to Google. Does not break paid apps, or play store usage.
Google Sync, on every thing but Calender. Though it does not disable the ability to manually sync google apps. Just because you turn off sync manually, it still is running in background, so removing the sync services keeps things clean.
Google backup services. No need since I use Ti Backup pro
Google package verification, restore, and reschedule services have been disabled in play store. No more pushing of system updates and apk monitoring. I use norton for scanning downloaded apk files.
Some streaming apps may not remember past usage. Blocked some services that track you.
I also use prevent running to keep memory usage low, and keep background apps from running when closed.
Will post a system battery level snap shot and developer system stats to show how things are running, once my battery level hits 5%
7.5 hrs and 19% battery left
Ok, I can assume with certainly, I can get 9.5hrs of continuous battery time from a single charge.
I tested with screen brightness set at auto, 1 hr of Miracast play back of a 720p video, 1.5 hrs of Miracast playback of two streamed shows from channel apps, 1 download of a 1.2gb torrent file, 1 movie download using vpn and channel app. Used Chrome Dev, Outlook and a few minor instances of other apps. Along with a 10 minute test on sleeping and a 10 minute hibernation, to verify no issues popped up with services disabled.
Here is my 7.5hr battery stats and developer apps stats...
12.5 hours always on moderate use
Yep, I get 8% battery use per hour with an mix of light app use. Mind you, most all apps I run are not memory resident. As Google and internet pros have led end users into believing that cached and background apps save on power and speed up multi tasking. Bah!
I did not have the time to run my device a full 9.5 hours in my test initially. So i had to cut short and use data to extrapolate that shutting down background un used services and killing cached and background apps have made an 8 hr device into a performance monster that does not eat battery power to do so.
Since then I have recharged and will try a test run with minimal screen time off and random sparatic app use. My calculations are 12.5 hrs max. Given the 8% per hour discharge with screen in auto brightness mode, power may increase as the environment brightens up.
I assume if using power save mode, having blocking mode on, and with grey scale enabled, my device could achieve 15 hrs always on run time. The only real way to break the 15 hrs always on run time would be to go into airplane mode or and have the display turn off when waiting, but never sleep.
This is all based on a 1% every 10 minutes discharge rate to be able to keep above 15 hrs constantly on run time.
Oops! Forgot to add
I don't reboot much, but realized some may shut down or reboot time to time. If a reboot is done one key component resets time to time on a reboot. Just go back into disable service and open google play services and search for injector. You will see two, but one may be disabled. Just disable the active one and It will take care of the Google services that had started in background. If both are active, something got reset in play services that helps re enable the injector service. You can restore the disable service backup and it should clear up any reset services. Though it will change what services you changed in apps that you needed a service to run. So be sure once you make a change, to back up, so if you need to re apply my play services settings after a restart, it won't undo any of your changes.
As an update... I do get 1 hr of use per every 8% of battery. It took a few discharges and full recharges to have the device recalibrate after doing my disable service setup to kill services not needed and Google play services that eat battery and performance.
I have done a few changes, but they seem to make a minor significance. Once I am done playing around with some tweaks and verifying, I my post an updated config backup, if they turn out to be improvements.
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Update... 12 to 10 hours continual use on a single charge!
Yep I was board with Saturday Daytona rain... so what better to test my latest tweaks with the latest Play Store and Play Services.
Had to do a bit of digging, as there are many more services that I don't need but may come in handy later... like Google Pay, Ha! ? what a joke! Well actually with every freaking iteration of Google's services and Play Store, one hopes they don't muck up the mess by fixing, or hosing something you expect to run smoothly and efficiently. There is more to it than just way too many services running in background. It's about how the services run cleanly and not become a load when not used.
Well here it is... over 54 services killed in my list! With only one issue... Maps when promptly closed will error, but it is a visual annoyance if anything. So, don't close Maps before it runs for 30 seconds, or you will error closing.
Also don't try and send error reports or debug info, as they are not going to happen!
For the most part manual syncing within google and tied in apps are intact, but most all auto syncing is disabled.
Will post my latest and greatest DisableService backup config for everyone's use, once I go over a few test runs with reboots and other what nots.
Remember to kill History Injection Service manually after each reboot or wait for the reapplication of the backup config to complete.
Finally I see all the speed and battery improvements that KK once touted as major improvements over JP. It was a crying joke that lasted till now.
Only if Google and Samsung would make a tablet work as a tool not a smart phone, then the benefits of using a tablet for intensive tasks will out weigh getting by with ones pocket phone. This is what students need for their devices to be a 100% duty cycle device under high demands during a days use. No tablet can match that while being forced waist battery and resources for Google analytics, tracking, and social media tie in. Tablets are tools not some monkey device that most peeps have in their pocket!
Almost done!
11.5 hrs is currently obtainable on continuous use on a single charge, without Tasker, any battery apps, and greenify. With overlay disabled and forced GPU acceleration. Both are battery draining options, that nobody will enable when going for extending battery times.
I am trying my best to keep PlayServices down to 15% at device idle. It seems that the kernel with play framework will use 5% no matter what I do. Right now the bottle neck to obtain 12 hrs is what version of PlayServices you use.
I am not going to mess with testing each iteration of play services to get 12 hrs of continuous battery use on a full charge.
To obtain the best battery consumption, one may want to tweak their network by use of a sysctl.config file or shell script to run in init.d or smanager. I find ports waiting to end or close will eat at the battery by how the network or should i say by PlayService's active polling.
I find terminating after 45 seconds of waiting instead of 15 minutes more beneficial to longer battery time. As a wee cpu hit, it is not bad, but it compounds cpu hits by making throttling push the cpu at higher levels than without the polling of closed port termination.
You can watch what i explain when watching cpu performance, by turning on block background data while running a few apps, and comparing to the same apps while block background data is disabled. CPU stats will level off faster and be less prone to hit higher speeds when throttling.
As with my original statement, you will need to kill the locationhistoryinjector service as Google PlayServices will enable it at every boot. It Is a key component to find my mobile and device manager.
My config files disable device manager and find my mobile, along with tracking and Google background data.
What you end up with is a cleaner android that is mostly disconnected from Google, yet able to function better and use paid for play apps without issues, outside of some options tied to google services.
I included my app ops config along with my other updated configs. You will need to remove the .txt extension from the prevent.list and move it in the sdcard/android location for the piebridge app files folder.
Done
I removed all previous attachments on my config backups and posted the latest config backups that kill most of Google's chimera functions within android without breaking play store. All services in regards to NFC, Google Security, network location, automatic background sync, and system usage monitoring have been either disabled or hindered, to eliminate performance degradation and battery consumption.
What you get is a sleek fast running OS, that rivals any custom kernel. Believe me, I used what's available here for mods, and found through trial and error, the best method in keeping overall functionality is to slim things down by using the three apps I have configured.
Most feel what is the point to all this... well disabling features in settings, does not stop google from running the services in background. They run and are tied into other services you may use. Once manually disabled, you may find a service you use fail because it relied on the background service google uses to track and monitor. It is not a matter of killing your favorite app, it is a matter of using an app that does what you need privately and without need of so many background services hogging up resources. Google apps are not the best, just give you options in one package, which some like as to being simpler than having to switch between apps.
I may not be as fast as a custom kerneled device running at 1920mhz or throttled down to 100mhz with profiles enabled, but in all aspects to smoothness and overhead generated by kernel manager apps, greenify, Tasker, and amplify... what gains with customization are lost, compared to what you find in my simple yet very effective method to free your device from Google's constraints.
To be secure in apk installation I use Norton, by unfreezing it before installing apps. Then freezing when done.
For device security, I recommend what ever 3rd party apk meets your needs. As you cannot trust google or samsung with device management. You may find a paid app to perform the job, as most free ones will tie into Google's management or location api system, and fail to function. They must use their own set of services, to hook to existing features not Google's services api.
As for NFC this device has none, so it is a mute issue. Syncing of tied in Google services for social and messaging apps, deal with it... your phone should be primary for syncing. It only takes a quick pull down to sync if you are busy within an app or multi tasking.
One last update
I removed another set of backup configs.. luckily nobody got to them as they were intentionally placed a few replies previously. I do such things to keep peeps on their toes as to know what they are doing by actually reading first!
So... what prompted my change was my error log on certain functions and booting.
Made a wee change to clean up errors without loosing performance or battery gains from my weeding out services and background processes.
Also somewhere in my configs a while back locstionhistoryinjector stays disabled. So this Is a set it and forget it deal, no searching for the blasted service to disable after each reboot.
Alright here are my backup config files along with my frozen apps in screen shots. Missing are... ringtonesbackup and a number of widgets that were permanently removed. Also I have included other side loaded apps that are not part of our stock firmware.
Here is a wee trick nobody talks about... when you shut down or reboot, turn on airplane mode before you do so. Reason being, when the device starts up, it will only take 3 minutes from boot to home screen to fully recover into system idle. Once system is in idle, turn off airplane mode. It helps with less lag and a few apps from trying to gain network access during boot, and slowing down system boot tasks. Once network is operational from disabling airplane mode, the apps in my prevent run list will not wake for network access, until launched. Pretty cool beans, aye!
Also as another trick, because play store sends data when removing apps, I recommend using TouchWiz app removal in the app drawer to remove apps, as it does not send data to do so. Ti Backup does good as well, but depending on its settings may communicate with play store to update play store info.
Currently you can have up to 15 hrs of continuous run time with wifi and screen on during idle. Though I imagine about 2 days worth of mp3 playback time when screen is left off, as a player only, and no other app like Dolby Audio to tweak compressed audio.
In my previous reply i found some errors, and removed some attachments.
I have replaced my disable service backup config with a super modified one that give superior operation by removing tap and pay, fit, NFC, proximity, wearable, and allowed some main sources of required services to run, but made the secondary services associated with them disable, to make the primary service ineffective and keep polling down.
I assume either wearable or health have been a major cause to battery drain since KK was introduced. If you look at the txt file, there are about 100 sub services within the play services service that I disabled. 2x as many as I provided before.
Even though some of the services i have tried to combat from effecting the performance and optimizing battery for longer use, the few I had removed being blocked from running, don't seem to have much effect when their codependent services are disabled.
So, what I get is.. OS using 3% to 4%, Android system 2% to 3%, and screen using 94% to 95% of battery power at idle while the screen is on, and waiting for activity.
Though i will have to redo my screen shots for frozen apps, as i had used a testing config for frozen app effectiveness.
Some apps like Google contacts sync must be removed, as It is an evasive sync service. Samsung is not that way with all of its sync services.
What my super modified file does, is unleashes Android 4.4.x power of operation. For the first time with KK, I have eliminated stuttering and multitasking is more like what it should be with background apps or media being ran during tasks. It is the closest thing to running naked KK, but you have full ability to operate paid for apps and apps that require the latest play services.
so may i know what are the detailed steps in order to enjoy this battery trick? rooted device with xposed?
yweising said:
so may i know what are the detailed steps in order to enjoy this battery trick? rooted device with xposed?
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Yep, I had to root my I467 with kingo root with a PC connection and install super su before removing kingo root.
I will post a revision to my settings soon. I found that I over did keeping google services from starting. So my new method is minimized to allow most all newer technology work. The only big things I killed are Chrome cast, as it is huge and really eats up battery. Thank god for Samsung ' s method to make miracast a user enabled service, not a constantly running one. Geofence and geocode as they are always running as well, and have little use for daily activities. I would think virtual gear Wil need it, but i live my life in the real world around me.
Again, I killed system updates, and some automated sync services that run constantly no matter if you have them disabled in the account.
The only drawback is maps will error if you don't wait for location to lock and the app has been running less than 30 seconds. Plus Network location will always be disabled.
I am finding my latest settings to be best all around.
Will post them by the end of the week.
I have made my disable service less restrictive as the main culprits to battery drainage can be stopped and kept from running without need to add more to the list on google services.
You will not be able to use geo code or geo fence, device manager, nearby services as Samsung's services are better and dont eat battery when not in use, apk ad and anyalitics, self update, chrome cast as it runs and consumes battery even if you dont connect, location history and sharing, network location, place detectioh, and some internal reporting services, along with some sync options in account... but you will still be able to auto sync gmail, photos, drop box, calander, and contacts.
It allows for the most robust google services to still be active, such as fit, wear, notifications, internal messaging system and tap and pay.
You go from over 8 minutes of activity after reboot down to 2 to 3 minutes of cpu activity depending on what apps you run and allow to load in memory.
Just download disable service from the play store, restore the backup file from the internal sdcard and wait for confirmation.
You will need root!
Xposed has two modules that I like to use both backup files are in my previous reply, a few back. I suggest after installing prevent run, to go into the android folder and find the piebridge folder near the bottom and place the backup there, and remove the txt file extension. Once you reboot to activate the xposed module, the app will see and load the backup, before replacing when you change the settings.
Closest to making google services not eat battery
yweising said:
so may i know what are the detailed steps in order to enjoy this battery trick? rooted device with xposed?
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Here my last option to rid battery consumption.
I blocked most all of the internal services that deal with sending data back to google. A revised plan that started with killing the major services first instead of attacking bleeders as in pruning twigs from a branch. I went after the big branch first. So I was able to do more than before in smoothness and least amount of battery drain.
I think I left all the automatic sync still intact, as the reporting branch was more a problem, along with GMS services. Then intents to enable the services, and some upload syncs to kill off 90% of the reporting all together.
The only reports back are analytics and GCM with some GMS tied in. Google Mail and Maps function, but network location, places and geofence features are broken. Mainly because they leak data all the time.
The reason I had to attack my google services deeper, is because History Channel app needed some anti jitter done, as the new app would show a skip every so many seconds of play back.
i managed to flash back to 4.2.2 yesterday, will test it for few days after few cycles of battery charge. might test your backup file if it still cant stand for 6hrs.
wanna get better experience + faster tablet?
just flash CM13.0... I couldn't be happier with my Note 8.0...
samsung's KK is EOL already and slow.... many apps are incompatible anymore....
Crescendo Xenomorph said:
wanna get better experience + faster tablet?
just flash CM13.0... I couldn't be happier with my Note 8.0...
samsung's KK is EOL already and slow.... many apps are incompatible anymore....
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I beg to differ... there is not one app I use that I cannot update. In fact a ton of them had been updated in the last 30 days.
Kk is stable, and with the latest google services, and framework 4.4.4 I am able to push 1 hr of continual use on just 6% battery use.
Fact CM as never had a stable build that allows perfect miracast and spen funtionality. Plus I like Samsung's built in features, peeps copy, yet cannot beat. Like S5 QuickConnect, grey scale for reading and low light, color blind for easier to recognize color various paterns developers go nuts with, and interaction control for blocking a user defined segment or segments from touch or spen interaction.
You just need to replace systemui and secsettings on a 4.4.2 stock late release rom on a ATT i467 and bam no brainer.
If I want speed, which is really not worth the trouble, is boeffla kernal.
Right now I am tweaking my settings backup to allow Samsung or Google management tracking, by not breaking any GMS and GCM services, while optimizing boot speed and battery savings.
I found another way to address battery consumption and cpu hogging by google background services.
modded disableservice backup config file to allow managment
NOTE### I will re post my file soon... the one I had posted had some errors in settings, I had locked down too much on play store.
Here is my modded config backup to allow most of the google play features to function. Yet, will block google system updates and monitoring, plus limit traffic on your data plan.
It has been trimmed down to only adust google play store and google play services. No other apps and services are touched.
I blocked automated nearby functions, places logging, network location, geo fencing, app data sync, people and contacts sync, most of the backgroud stats and logging, and playstore security (proven by me as of recent, that it fails miserably).
Replace with a standalone anti virus app that monitors apk installations. Problem is only a hand full will do the job and even fewer will not be resource hogs and compound my tweaks. I would specify my pick, but I don't get paid for my work that may seem to advertise a paid app. If they make money I should for endorsement. Its the yank way so accept it.
All without breaking GMS and GCM services, and syncs to built in calander and fit data. All exteral app syncs can still be managed in accounts. You still have SMS, notifications, management functions, and api functionality.
This version is more like my original that I started with, but has some cool features. One is quicker boot to semi idle than any kitkat google services ever released. Low battery consumption and higher performance in multitasking. Very smooth witout need of a custom kernel.
Note you will need version 4.4.4 Framework, which never got updated automatically. So you will need to sideload. And the latest versions of play store and play services.
Clear out framework data, play services data, and play store data then reboot. Setup play store and services install disable services on a rooted device and load the backup settings file.