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Hello,
I was wondering how many mb's you guys run through daily and how often do you use the internet/messenger
for example would 10mb a day suffice? how many instant messages or web pages could i view for that?
Thanks, just looking to compare to see what would be good for me, my 8525 arrives friday
could be anywhere from 21 to 51 mb in a day depending on what i find while browsing for things to install on my Vario II. if it's alot of graphics and downloads like themes and such from Wisebar's site then expect a 50mb day. if it's only browsing here and 4winmobile then closer to 20mb assuming any downloads i do aren't roms for the vaior or any of my other phones
thanks for the reply
i wont be doing much downloading from it except for the occasional mp3, other than that just browsing the net and using aim/msn
do you know how much data an aim/msn message consumes?
Milli said:
thanks for the reply
i wont be doing much downloading from it except for the occasional mp3, other than that just browsing the net and using aim/msn
do you know how much data an aim/msn message consumes?
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It depends on your needs.
I only use it for updating the weather (~ 5kb a time), some instant messaging and some tv text (app I wrote since my tv has no text :') )
I've got a 50Mb limit a month and I use SPB GPRS monitor to monitor my usage.
Last month I've been using it not a lot, because I wanted to be sure that I would not get some suprises on my monthly bill. 10 Mb a month is not that much. But consider using your WIFI too when you're close to a WIFI hotspot.
IM doesn't consume that much, it's more the MP3's. If you've 10 MB a month, than you can download maybe 2 MP3's....
Though I must say that downloading MP3's is not something you should do with your PDA. But that's just my personal opinion.
^Its 10mb a day not a month stated in my first post, although there is a 50mb a day package too i was considering
Im not contemplating downloading a lot of mp3's, but im sure there will be times on the go when i cant get to a wi-fi spot and need to download one.
50 mb a day, would that cover a fair amount of msn/aim and web browsing in one day?
i have no clue about these bandwidth monitors so im not sure how much websites take up(on average)
i can use upto 150mb a day but i also use spb GPRS monitor to make sure i don't go to mad!
Hi there!
Just got my first "Hero only" phonebill after getting the device and I must say I'm pretty shocked. It was 3 times normal!
I have only used Facebook INTERMITTANTLY and not logged in under the "Social" function. Twitter has been off. I haven't used email yet. I have only used Android Market under wifi and my only real usage has been various news sites with iPhone adapted webpages.
The only thing I can tell that's "on" has been the weather.
So I installed 3G Watchdog to monitor the usage and this is what I found out:
- In a twelve hour window with
- No Browser usage, no Facebook/Twitter/Flickr/Market
- Setting for Google has been "Enable background data usage" but not Auto-sync
- No Exchange usage or email
- Enable always on mobile has been activated
- No other internet function is activated as I can tell
- This has resulted in 610kb if data usage, that's 1.2mb in 24hrs
- That's 36MB a month, 436mb a year (and I pay per mb)
To me, this is "data out the widow" which I havent used, but the Phone has somehow "eaten" up.
I feel as though I havent got much control over how and when the Hero used data, the settings are not "clear" in the Android/Hero settings on administrating data usage. In my instance, it uses data without me needing it.
Is there any way to monitor WHICH program or function uses data without need? Ie. something like 3G Watchdog but more detailed?
there is net-counter.. but its familiar to 3g watchdog..
Android phones, and phones like them (e.g.iPhone) are really not designed to be used with "pay per MB" plan. I couldn't tell you what processes are going to be "consuming" data, but I'd consider 1.2MB to be pretty insignificant, though I understand that if you're paying by the MB your opinion would be significantly different.
I know it's probably not much help, but if I were you, since you are not using any of the "push" facilities of the device (e.g. GMail) I'd be inclined to switch off mobile internet and only switch it on as you need it.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
Android phones, and phones like them (e.g.iPhone) are really not designed to be used with "pay per MB" plan. I couldn't tell you what processes are going to be "consuming" data, but I'd consider 1.2MB to be pretty insignificant, though I understand that if you're paying by the MB your opinion would be significantly different.
I know it's probably not much help, but if I were you, since you are not using any of the "push" facilities of the device (e.g. GMail) I'd be inclined to switch off mobile internet and only switch it on as you need it.
Regards,
Dave
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Good advise there for you. 1.2Mb is very little though in the big scheme of things. Its about a minute of a typical MP3 or less than the capacity of a floppy disk (if you remember those).
The phone is designed to be used with an unlimited data plan - its a cloud based phone really.
As an aside, I do think these plans are still too expensive in reality.
foxmeister said:
Android phones, and phones like them (e.g.iPhone) are really not designed to be used with "pay per MB" plan. I couldn't tell you what processes are going to be "consuming" data, but I'd consider 1.2MB to be pretty insignificant, though I understand that if you're paying by the MB your opinion would be significantly different.
I know it's probably not much help, but if I were you, since you are not using any of the "push" facilities of the device (e.g. GMail) I'd be inclined to switch off mobile internet and only switch it on as you need it.
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Dave
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I'm aware of this fact Dave, I had the Diamond before I got the Hero. But what I lack is a built in function to "control and monitior usage". As of right now, it seems like it lives it's own life. If you have an unlimited plan, you wont really care. But Another point is the fact that this "unwanted" data usage consumes battery power and thus limits the battery life.
All I want is to be in control of my phone....
I am considering an unlimited plan or a 1gb/2gb plan. But there is a "cap" on my current plan where I won't pay for data over 3MB every day, but it's still a lot when you use that much every day.
You could try something like Droidwall ( http://code.google.com/p/droidwall/ ), but this only works for rooted devices.
At least you should be able to "whitelist" the apps that you want to be able to talk to the outside world, and see if this has any material effect on your data usage.
Regards,
Dave
Perhaps something obvious, but have you turned off the 'always on mobile data'?
You can find that under the wireless controls, mobile network settings.
And with a lot stuff (like the weather applet) you can disable the automatic updates.
Also turn off some data sync stuff under settings, data synchronization.(Google services for example).
Hope this helps a bit, although you might have done this already
Droid wall might help otherwise as a previous post also says
I had the same problem as I don't have a plan and my carrier charges per mb , so I installed APNdroid (it changes the APN settings , and restores it if you want to use mobile network ) .
HTC even provide a widget to turn mobile data on and off quickly. Put it on your Home screen.
I used this while on vacation to avoid huge data costs.
Also set Google synchronisation to non automatic, sync it when you need too.
TBH though, the Hero is such a data centric device, its pretty boring with no live data connection... as are iPhone and any other smartphone.
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Perhaps something obvious, but have you turned off the 'always on mobile data'?
You can find that under the wireless controls, mobile network settings.
And with a lot stuff (like the weather applet) you can disable the automatic updates.
Also turn off some data sync stuff under settings, data synchronization.(Google services for example).
Hope this helps a bit, although you might have done this already
Droid wall might help otherwise as a previous post also says
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"Always on" should not use up data as it is only there to keep the connection open so the phone doesn't have to connect each time an application needs to use 2G/3G/3.5G
I disabled the always on, weather etc... but something is still consuming data. Must be one of the apps circumventing the phone settings.
But my point is this, it is to diffucult/complicated/cumbersome/unintuetive so control the amount of data the Hero uses.
Also make sure stocks is set not to update.
If you are really concerned then just turn mobile data off until you need to use it (via the widget).
The point of these type of phone is to connect to many different services. Its simple to turn all data off if you wish.
The expectation for the smartphone is that it will be dragging information in constantly, keeping you up to date with your social network.
However, you might try WiSyncPlus to automatically disable data access when you are not in range of known WiFi networks. That might be the easiest way of controlling your data consumption over the cell/mobile network.
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The new official Facebook App was to blame for almost the entire 1,2mb a day usage. I did not log out, just pressed the home button and the app was running in the background updating.
Is this a bug? Is there any need for it to update when you don't have it open? I'm thinking battery power here as well as data usage.
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The new official Facebook App was to blame for almost the entire 1,2mb a day usage. I did not log out, just pressed the home button and the app was running in the background updating.
Is this a bug? Is there any need for it to update when you don't have it open? I'm thinking battery power here as well as data usage.
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The "Home" button doesn't actually shut down the app , it merely puts it to sleep. The "Back" button on the other hand closes the app and removes it from memory.
Linux has it very own and famous scheduler which on its own manages sleeping apps and can discard them from memory at will when the need for more memory exists
In settings you have the option to set the refresh interval, you can change it to 0. Might also be worth using a task manager to kill unwanted programs.
Devs need to write their apps correctly TBH. If its in the background and the user has not set its background processes to keep working, then it should stay silent.
ONLY if a user elects to have background processes running should an app continue to work away.
A simple setting in an apps preferences is all thats needed.
The back button to kill apps... thats pretty silly TBH especially with Browser. You would have to hit back multiple times to return to the very first web page you opened before you actually exited the app... very cumbersome.
Again, a simple setting in each app and indeed globally in the Hero's settings would make life far less confusing.
I'm thinking of getting an i9000, but have a few questions. I'll be honest from the start: I'm not much into tech.
My main purposes for this phone will be: 1. reading e-books, 2. a secondary internet device at home, 3. making phone calls and sending text messages. What makes me even stranger is that I don't want a data plan or any 3G services. Most of what I plan to do will be WiFi at home (although the option is there to get a data plan should I change my mind or find some use for it). I know about the GPS problem, but I don't think I have use for a GPS anyway. Music is not important to me, so I doubt I'd have more than a handful of MP3s I'd ever want listen to; movies and TV shows are a must; games are of no interest to me; photos are more of a perk than a necessity. I love, Love, LOVE the Super AMOLED screen, which is why I'm leaning towards this one rather than the HTC Desire.
1. The 8GB version is 2,000TWD (approx. 60USD) cheaper, which is worth it to me. Given my intended usage and the extra cost, why should I realistically consider the 16GB version? I'll have to buy an SD card anyway, won't I?
2. I still don't understand that thread about the device not having or not being able to see the full 512MB of RAM. How does this impact the performance? How does Froyo address this issue? Am I likely to notice any impact given my intended usage?
3. What is Launcher Pro, and why do some people feel it is better than TouchWiz?
4. I'm in a geographic area that doesn't have access to paid apps (Taiwan). However, there is a workaround. Given my intended usage, what paid apps would you suggest?
5. I'll have to hook up wireless internet at home (I'm running Windows XP on my PC). Without going into too much detail, what equipment and services will I need to set this up for both my PC and phone to share?
I know this may be a lot to ask. Feel free to just address one question if you like. I appreciate any help you can give me.
Thanks.
the SD card is optional, but definitely wort it to have more storage, if you plan to have a large MP3 and Video collection on the road with you
then leave the internal 8 GB SD for application use.
if you ever install a GPS software, it will automatically eat up 2 GB in one shoty
the 8 GB is really 6 GB, because 2 GB is used for ROM software, the remaing is aprox 5 GB of usable space
if you load a GPS software that goes down to 3 GB of free space, and some games downloads a few Hundreds of a MB to play, so games require a full 1GB... anyways it adds up really quickly.
Thanks. GPS is not important for me, nor are MP3s. Any video I watch will most likely be uploaded, watched, and removed within hours. I'll be reading on it if I'm ever on the road.
Looks like I'll be leaning towards the money-saving 8GB one.
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Thanks. GPS is not important for me, nor are MP3s. Any video I watch will most likely be uploaded, watched, and removed within hours. I'll be reading on it if I'm ever on the road.
Looks like I'll be leaning towards the money-saving 8GB one.
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If I were you, I'd almost definitely go with the 8GB. I think the main reason is that, my plan would be to store my e-books on the external sd card, so if my battery or device died I could easily move them to my pc or next device.
Besides that, I'd suggest, as much as I love my device. Thinking about iPhone 4 or the Dell Streak (if you can get them wi-fi only) and/or a Kindle (not great for internet, #2 on your list, but you'd also save money). IPhone 4 will, probably, be a better reading experience, I can't be sure. Dell Streak has 25% more screen real estate, it also has gorilla glass. Downsides being it's not Super AMOLED, I don't think it's wirelss N, probably has less battery life and is currently stuck on 1.6, though I think 2.1 is imminent.
Not trying to convince you to get a different device, I wouldn't trade my phone for either of the two devices mentioned above.
To answer your other questions, I'd think about:
E-book software...I'm not sure if this is your first e-reader. Kindle, Aldiko might be the two most popular (doesn't mean best).
I'd get brut maps because it'll cache Google Maps pages to your SD card so you won't need data but can still use Google Navigation, My Tracks (I think? can't remember), and Google Maps if you ever have the need (you'll need to look at the areas from your wifi first to get the pages to cache).
I'd probably get a wi-fi analyzer, wi-fi analyzer works well for me.
For your case, thats the majority of what I'd get. I'd think about looking into getting Flash enabled instead of waiting for FroYo if my phone's second functionality would be web surfing.
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Thanks. GPS is not important for me, nor are MP3s. Any video I watch will most likely be uploaded, watched, and removed within hours. I'll be reading on it if I'm ever on the road.
Looks like I'll be leaning towards the money-saving 8GB one.
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Also, spend money on your saved 8GB into extra 2-3 batteries, it's more important for your purposes than 8GB. I can nearly guarantee.
ALL I CAN SAY IS DEFINITELY GET ONE...
I have been using mine constantly for the last few days or so since I sold my Iphone 3gs and before that came from a touch HD2, windows phone.
I can't believe I didn't go across to the android world sooner to be honest and I think I have at last made the right choice of phone, this galaxy S is simply a joy to use, I love it.
I have 7 completely customisable screens that you can scroll between I bought beautiful widgets (highly recommend this) just simply because I am hooked to these widget things. I have Beautiful Live weather wallpaper which displays some grass waving about at the bottom of the screen and clouds with sun, rain etc..moving perfectly acrosseach of the 7 screens, I know this is all old hat to some of the longer Android users, but for me I Love it...I have also bought the Pure calender widget which displays all your up and coming appointments etc...this again is completely skin-able, brilliant...seconds screen has some of my shortcuts to applicaitons, live UK TV guide, market, appbrain market, maps, zedge, calc, youtube and mail, my third screen has all these toggle widgets to quickly turn on airplane, wifi, bluetooth, sound controls, volume and battery, Screen number 4 has my Days dairy which I quite like, screen number 5 has my feeds and updates which automatically updates my facebook and twitter stuff, then onto screen 6 with the BBC news and History widget, number 7 is blank so I can stare at the weather...
I can't seem to stop type , the Swype keyboard is just so easy and quick to use, I actually enjoy typing on a small screen these days, not that the Galaxy has a small screen in fact its the perfect screen and if your into reading books like I am, I am using the free Laputa ereader, simply import all your epubs into it, Aldiko comes already installed which is equally as good, but without the funky page turn effects. the screen is so clear reading books is very nice.
Will continue on later, got to get back to work for a bit....
no no no... if you moved to Android sooner, you would have not enjoyed it.
I was also waiting for the Perfect Phone, before moving to Android
If you moved to Android when it was Android 1.5 you would have most likely ended up hating it.
It was Raw, not many apps, phone hardware were rather not at part with the HTC hardware, etc.
THUDUK said:
ALL I CAN SAY IS DEFINITELY GET ONE...
I have been using mine constantly for the last few days or so since I sold my Iphone 3gs and before that came from a touch HD2, windows phone.
I can't believe I didn't go across to the android world sooner to be honest and I think I have at last made the right choice of phone, this galaxy S is simply a joy to use, I love it.
I have 7 completely customisable screens that you can scroll between I bought beautiful widgets (highly recommend this) just simply because I am hooked to these widget things. I have Beautiful Live weather wallpaper which displays some grass waving about at the bottom of the screen and clouds with sun, rain etc..moving perfectly acrosseach of the 7 screens, I know this is all old hat to some of the longer Android users, but for me I Love it...I have also bought the Pure calender widget which displays all your up and coming appointments etc...this again is completely skin-able, brilliant...seconds screen has some of my shortcuts to applicaitons, live UK TV guide, market, appbrain market, maps, zedge, calc, youtube and mail, my third screen has all these toggle widgets to quickly turn on airplane, wifi, bluetooth, sound controls, volume and battery, Screen number 4 has my Days dairy which I quite like, screen number 5 has my feeds and updates which automatically updates my facebook and twitter stuff, then onto screen 6 with the BBC news and History widget, number 7 is blank so I can stare at the weather...
I can't seem to stop type , the Swype keyboard is just so easy and quick to use, I actually enjoy typing on a small screen these days, not that the Galaxy has a small screen in fact its the perfect screen and if your into reading books like I am, I am using the free Laputa ereader, simply import all your epubs into it, Aldiko comes already installed which is equally as good, but without the funky page turn effects. the screen is so clear reading books is very nice.
Will continue on later, got to get back to work for a bit....
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Now that all the services are shut down, what exactly does this device do?
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Now that all the services are shut down, what exactly does this device do?
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This device serves are a cellphone, MP3 Player, Web Browser, E-mail Client, and an Alarm Clock. For me at least..
ditto
Same here - I would say my favorite software feature is the email client. You can set up multiple email accounts, so I have my personal gmail account and my work email account, it's super convenient for me. The slide out keyboard is great - it did take me a couple days used to it (never typed on anything smaller than a netbook before), but now I really like it & I'm able to type emails pretty quickly.
On a recent trip I used the camera a lot. The pictures are decent - on par with photos I've seen from iPhones - and much better than most cell phone cameras. But, I will say this, it's not replacing my Sony Cybershot digital camera or my Flip Video camera. Phone makers love to tout how many megapixels they have, but until you can put a better lens on there, your photo quality is severely limited. As for video, you are limited to recording very short clips, I think it was 1 minute? I was annoyed when I tried to record my brother playing a song on his guitar and I had to record it as 4 separate clips.
I use the web browser to check the weather in the morning. I did a Bing search for "weather 90210" (replace 90210 with your real zip code), then bookmarked it and I usually check that every day before I hop on my bike. In case you don't know, the result returned from that search is a lot like when you search it in Google, it tells you the current weather and the forecast for the next few days (Temps, wind, rain/sun, etc) in a pretty compact format.
I really like twitter on the KIN web browser. Most web pages I have tried work fine on the KIN browser, but I don't like having to scroll so much - you can only fit so much readable text on small screen. So aside from weather & twitter updates, the browser is mainly a novelty for me - hence why I am so happy with this phone and why I didn't "need" a Droid/iPhone w/ a Data Plan.
Which brings me to the best feature, in my opinion, which is what this phone doesn't do: it doesn't require you to pay for a Verizon data plan. For me, this is saving me $60/month (2 lines). The high cost of data plans has been the only thing keeping my from getting a smart phone over the past 3 years, so when I found the re-released KIN w/o a data plan, I was sold instantly.
Hope that helps
I have to agree with you there. I am glad that with getting 2 of these I dont have to buy those stupid Data plans
As for video, you are limited to recording very short clips
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You do realize that you can only record one minute in email quality to keep the file under the size limit? You need to record in HD to record longer and I believe you will find the quality of video much higher.
Thanks for the tip! I hadn't played with the video much, and just thought that was a built in limit. I will need to check the menu and switch to HD.
On a phone that only has three gigs of RAM, (I got the 16 GB version, sue me) I knew there would be a little bit of tweaking involved.
Both chrome and Firefox, are highly functional, with social network sites like twitter, and facebook.
I realized my applications, were eating up nearly a gigabyte of RAM.
My simple tweak is this.
I deleted Facebook messenger, the Facebook app itself, and the twitter apps
I used chrome to go to Facebook, and sign in, and then saved it as a desktop button. (setting are the three dots, top right, selected "add to home screen")
One click and I'm back in Facebook. No app needed, and no RAM suck
Did the same thing with Twitter, and when I was done, I had nearly a gigabyte of free RAM on the phone, and the phone was seriously faster.
Hope it helps someone. I know there are people who get used to the UI of the apps, over the desktop sites, especially on mobile devices, but I barely noticed it.
It is basically using one app (your browser) instead of several apps. with previous versions of android, I got mixed results with this, but it seems to work really smoothly now
Thanks!
papamalo said:
On a phone that only has three gigs of RAM, (I got the 16 GB version, sue me) I knew there would be a little bit of tweaking involved.
Both chrome and Firefox, are highly functional, with social network sites like twitter, and facebook.
I realized my applications, were eating up nearly a gigabyte of RAM.
My simple tweak is this.
I deleted Facebook messenger, the Facebook app itself, and the twitter apps
I used chrome to go to Facebook, and sign in, and then saved it as a desktop button. (setting are the three dots, top right, selected "add to home screen")
One click and I'm back in Facebook. No app needed, and no RAM suck
Did the same thing with Twitter, and when I was done, I had nearly a gigabyte of free RAM on the phone, and the phone was seriously faster.
Hope it helps someone. I know there are people who get used to the UI of the apps, over the desktop sites, especially on mobile devices, but I barely noticed it.
It is basically using one app (your browser) instead of several apps. with previous versions of android, I got mixed results with this, but it seems to work really smoothly now
Thanks!
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I do the same thing with anything that I can do using chrome, I don't get the app. Kind of pointless really. S you also noticed it frees up RAM, and on a side note without those apps running in the background constantly, it should save a little juice too!
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I used to do that, but I found that being able to share something to FB using the picker menu was more important. I don't use twitter, so that's a non-issue for me, and messenger doesn't seem to take up a lot of ram on my device?
Besides, with Android and other modern systems, unused ram is wasted ram.
Not saying that your experience isn't valid. I'm sure that it is. But for me, I'd rather have the functionality than obsessing over a few dropped frames while swiping through my homescreens.
'Besides, with Android and other modern systems, unused ram is wasted ram. "
True...
Well, I used to use a bunch of apps, now I don't, the phone is faster, and has less clutter.
Can you explain the "unused ram is wasted ram"?
You are saying that maxing out the RAM capability of an android device will not affect speed or performance?
Thanks!
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Well, I used to use a bunch of apps, now I don't, the phone is faster, and has less clutter.
Can you explain the "unused ram is wasted ram"?
You are saying that maxing out the RAM capability of an android device will not affect speed or performance?
Thanks!
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It's a constant misnomer thrown out whenever someone raises the android ram issue.
Essentially whilst it's partially true having lots of ram not being used is wasteful - having your memory constantly full or used up will result in degraded performance and many more app refreshes and less apps stored in memory. Just look at the Galaxy S6/Edge for an example.
There has to be a point where you have enough ram to run all your core applications and enough extra 'free ram' to enable other apps to be loaded and shuffled without causing excessive and aggressive refreshes.
So this 'free ram is wasted ram' is a misnomer based on a partial truth but ignoring important factors that mandate in order to maintain optimum performance you do need free ram to allow new apps and existing apps wiggle room to work / operate.
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That is kind of what I thought. I figured a little balance was good. Basically of the 3GB RAM I try within reason to keep 1 GB free.
it made a noticeable difference in speed, and load times in general.
I wish there were clear guidelines by number, on app load, RAM limitations, and optimal settings to use the most stuff at the quickest speed.
Anyway, thank all for responding. I learn more every day.
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Delete Facebook and Twitter apps? I don't see those anywhere on my XT1575.
Always shun the app and use browser instead if you can. The apps hog resources even when they appear "closed", surreptitiously slurp your private data*, and clog your network bandwidth (using your limited data on cell connection) sending your data to the mothership and serving obnoxious ads - all of which also uses more power too.
There is no such thing as a free app.
* Also look at the recent news about a slew of "free" apps hiding Chinese malware that REALLY utilizes your private data and bandwidth.
The idea behind effective usage of RAM is that apps' core functions are loaded and/or remain in RAM when not running an app. This is supposed to prevent the processor from working as much. Some open RAM is still good to have for those times in which an app or what not is not already loaded. Otherwise the system has to dump some of the RAM usage to make room so to speak. I am over simplifying the process but the take away understanding is the same. You want the system to utilize the RAM effectively by having the most used apps preloaded and stored even when not in use. You also want some free RAM for when it is necessary. Some apps you do have to watch out for though as they consistently take up large chunks of RAM (Facebook was one of those in past experiences).