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Samsung’s Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 Edge+ flagships will officially hit stores Friday. But if you are a Verizon or AT&T subscriber who is used to rooting smartphones, beware. Rooting these carrier models of the Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 Edge+ will shut down your phone completely.
The Verizon and AT&T models have a carrier specific mechanism, which is apart of the Samsung Knox Security Suite, Samsung Knox director of business development Ram Motipally detailed to iDigitalTimes at a recent briefing in New York prior to the Galaxy Note 5 and S6 Edge+ launch. “In most of the U.S. devices, if you root the device the device won’t even boot up; if it’s AT&T or Verizon,” he said.
Root prevention has been an on-going aspect of Samsung Knox since it’s inception. In the early days of Knox, rooting a Samsung smartphone could trip a key on a device, which would void the warranty. Root prevention through Knox has been developed to where the rooting Samsung Galaxy S6 or Galaxy S6 Edge handsets will disable the Samsung Pay mobile payment feature. But now, if a Verizon and AT&T variant of the Galaxy Note 5 or Galaxy S6 Edge+ is rooted, users will see only a black screen with a message explaining the device cannot boot up because it has been rooted, Motipally explained.
Other Galaxy Note 5 or Galaxy S6 Edge+ handsets, such as T-Mobile, Sprint and unlocked variants do not include this feature. Rooting would simply disable Samsung Pay as it does on the Galaxy S6 or Galaxy S6 Edge. Root prevention is heavily tied to Samsung’s enterprise push, to get more devices like the Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 Edge+ in the hands of business users.
Samsung Knox was once a feature introduced to devices through software updates, but it now comes standard on all Samsung smartphones. The software is heavily ingrained within the Android framework and the kernel of Samsung’s devices, Samsung Business vice president, mobile product marketing, Eric McCarty explained at a business launch for the Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 Edge+ last Thursday.
In particular, Samsung Knox includes a Root of Trust, which dictates what tasks a device can execute with confidence. Some of the functions of a Root of Trust are detecting rootkits and recognizing unauthorized changes to a smartphone’s system or program. This especially speaks to the Verizon and AT&T models of the Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 Edge+ as Verizon and AT&T are especially adverse to customization of their devices.
The continued implementation of Knox onto Samsung devices has alleviated many concerns about safety in using Android in the enterprise space, Samsung vice president of marketing strategy and operations, Ed Abrams told iDigitalTimes in July. However, this focus on enterprise users could be a detriment to dedicated Android developers or Samsung enthusiasts who are not in love with the TouchWiz user interface.
Android-based smartphones have been popular, largely due to the open source nature of their software and user’ ability to customize devices through rooting. But with Google as one of Samsung's partners for its business sector, users could continue to see root prevention efforts in new and upcoming devices.
Samsung needs to allow all apps in multi window without root, and android needs a full device backup procedure.
Sure you can let the play store put your apps back but it doesn't restore the data.
I may be able to live without root on the Note if it had those two things.
I'd really miss lmt and xposed though.
For data restore, I use Helium. Its the next best thing when we can't use titanium backup
pool_shark said:
Samsung needs to allow all apps in multi window without root, and android needs a full device backup procedure.
Sure you can let the play store put your apps back but it doesn't restore the data.
I may be able to live without root on the Note if it had those two things.
I'd really miss lmt and xposed though.
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if you have tried MIUI they do have full system restore. dont get why google cannot put it in stock android.
I read that on idigitaltimes yesterday, but is that the 100% final word on AT&T and Verizon Note 5?
It seems to be the only article out there with this information - would there not be any (theoretical) way around it at all?
More than likely idigitaltimes is correct. for the last 2-3 yrs (with the exception of the G2 and g3 for LG) Verizon units have been difficult to root
Is there any proof?
any word on root for note 5 t mobile? i'm about to buy mine soon
i just sold my note 4 didn't know someone was gonna buy it full price that soon
http://youtu.be/qCh0QuEwAgY
Maybe this will work?
Another reason why I will be boycotting another round of samsung phones.
gbux said:
Another reason why I will be boycotting another round of samsung phones.
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Agreed, me too.
Oh well, it's Samsung's loss anyway...
TheUndertaker21 said:
any word on root for note 5 t mobile? i'm about to buy mine soon
i just sold my note 4 didn't know someone was gonna buy it full price that soon
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It stated in the article that rooting would only disable the Samsung Mobile Payments app.
Thats jst silly, you should be boycotting big red and the att. seriously, tmobil is a phone junkies best friend. 3 upgrades a year with jump on demand and they couldnt care less if your bootloader is unlocked or knox has been tripped on sammy. all they care about is 1 2 3, turn on, screen is not cracked, no water damage. plus t mo has volte, wifi calling, and lowest prices. I was big red for almost a decade, from back when it was LA cellular or airtouch, cant remember. THen i gave up the best reception in america for great reception in my area and a company that doesnt try to screw me at every angle. love tmo so much i actually bought some stock in it. but that was also because i think leger is hilarious and i wanted to vote for him with my wallet.
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Samsung needs to allow all apps in multi window without root, and android needs a full device backup procedure.
Sure you can let the play store put your apps back but it doesn't restore the data.
I may be able to live without root on the Note if it had those two things.
I'd really miss lmt and xposed though.
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I agree... I find it bizarre that iOS has proper backups, as did my old old blackberry (couldn't even tell anything had happened. Yeah it needed a PC connection but I'd be ok with that). The only thing I would add is being able to do things like toggle GPS without root - the fact that I have to go five clicks* to turn my location mode from battery saving to high accuracy and navigate back to my navigation app is insane.
* Long press the location quick toggle, mode, high accuracy, back, back.
Glad I didn't wait for it then. Tired of locked Bootloaders and am loving the plethora of AOSP ROMs on my Nexus 6.
daftlush said:
I was big red for almost a decade, from back when it was LA cellular or airtouch, cant remember.
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Verizon was Airtouch -- LA Cellular (me, since 1994) became AT&T.
I've been with T-Mo since '05 :good:
use package disabler pro to remove all bloatware
kodina said:
Agreed, me too.
Oh well, it's Samsung's loss anyway...
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The next best thing to root is pacakge disabler pro
At least the international versions only casualty is Samsung Pay if rooted. I'll never ever buy another AT&T branded device again. Would love to switch to T-Mobile but their service isn't good in my area.
The simple solution to this is to switch carriers. And when retentions asks you why you are leaving, say "Because carrier X allows me to root without bricking the device." I think once they lose enough customers that way (and losing market share to other carriers), they might start rethinking it.
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Thats jst silly, you should be boycotting big red and the att. seriously, tmobil is a phone junkies best friend. 3 upgrades a year with jump on demand and they couldnt care less if your bootloader is unlocked or knox has been tripped on sammy. all they care about is 1 2 3, turn on, screen is not cracked, no water damage. plus t mo has volte, wifi calling, and lowest prices. I was big red for almost a decade, from back when it was LA cellular or airtouch, cant remember. THen i gave up the best reception in america for great reception in my area and a company that doesnt try to screw me at every angle. love tmo so much i actually bought some stock in it. but that was also because i think leger is hilarious and i wanted to vote for him with my wallet.
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The only problem is that t-mobile has terrible coverage outside of cities. My only option is to get the t-mobile version then throw a att sim card in there and hope I get good service.
i got mine today and Samsung pay is not installed. i went to the google play store and it said samsung pay was not compatible with my phone? everything is stock...no root or other hacks.
Thanks.
Try Galaxy Apps
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I agree I'm missing it too On my samsung galaxy s7 edge. I went to galaxy apps and it looked like it downloaded but I can't find it anywhere. I must be missing something or its hidden in a folder. I'll keep looking!
Trying to remember how I activated it on my wife's S6. I think you have to go into settings > tap & pay.
I just read that Verizon forced Samsung to remove Samsung Pay from VZW S7 and Edge. You can also side load it from APKmirror.com also.
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Found this when searching for Samsung Pay in Google Play Store comments
Sheena Caballero March 6, 2016
Won't download I am trying to download/install this on my s7 edge and it has been at 43% downloaded for the past 3 hours?????
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd. March 7, 2016
We are sorry for the inconvenience. Galaxy S7 is scheduled to be released on March 11th, and Samsung Pay service for S7 will be enabled once it is officially released.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...alaxy-s7-and-s7-edge-but-you-can-sideload-it/
One post said that Verizon has also removed any mention of Samsung Pay from their S7 manual.
Wow you are completely correct! Verizon just pulled that lowball move and demanded that Samsung remove it. I'm sideloading it as we speak.
Has anyone had any trouble getting past the finger print registration on samsung pay?
emmawilliam834 said:
Has anyone had any trouble getting past the finger print registration on samsung pay?
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Had this issue on the s6, remove your fingerprints and clear cache in the fingerprint app then set it up with a pin. Once you finish the install turn on fingerprints
Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk
I had to download the apk, then install. Once I installed I was able to register my card fine.
dandiaz21 said:
Found this when searching for Samsung Pay in Google Play Store comments
Sheena Caballero March 6, 2016
Won't download I am trying to download/install this on my s7 edge and it has been at 43% downloaded for the past 3 hours?????
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd. March 7, 2016
We are sorry for the inconvenience. Galaxy S7 is scheduled to be released on March 11th, and Samsung Pay service for S7 will be enabled once it is officially released.
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Seems you may be correct. (Update)
"We've spoken with Samsung, and they have clarified that while Samsung Pay currently cannot be installed via the Play Store or Galaxy Apps on the Verizon model, it will be available to Verizon Galaxy S7s and S7 edges via those channels starting on March 11th, the official launch date for the phones. Samsung Pay is not pre-loaded on Verizon models, unlike some other US carriers, and Verizon does not advertise the app - and even went so far as to strip it from the user manuals of its versions of the S7 and S7 edge - but sideloading will not be necessary by the time we reach the retail launch date for the devices."
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...axy-s7-and-s7-edge-but-you-can-sideload-it/#2
Samsung pay is live on the play store.
It works on mine!
Spoke with a Samsung rep yesterday about this. I was looking into the phone and he said that the VZW version just won't have it. He said that only Android pay would work.
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Spoke with a Samsung rep yesterday about this. I was looking into the phone and he said that the VZW version just won't have it. He said that only Android pay would work.
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another good reason to not ever call customer service! haha
Got the S7 today. Just downloaded Samsung Pay from the Playstore, installed and registered a card without a problem.
Sent from my SM-G930V using XDA Free mobile app
I don't have any cards that work with Samsung pay. I got all excited to get my free charger and try out the service and nothing. At least android pay works
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another good reason to not ever call customer service! haha
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Yep haha. I just happened to be a in Best Buy store because my friend works there and I was able to hold the phone without the security tether. Their resident "Samsung Expert" was the one who told me that. Only for me to see an article the next day about how VZW was allowing it on phones.
I was able to install Samsung Pay from the Play Store, but adding a card won't work on my Verizon S7.
I called Samsung Pay support and ran through settings, clear cache, uninstall, restart device, reinstall Pay and still won't connect to server to add any cards.
They have sent it up the chain at Samsung Support and said I should hear back within 48 hours.
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I was able to install Samsung Pay from the Play Store, but adding a card won't work on my Verizon S7.
I called Samsung Pay support and ran through settings, clear cache, uninstall, restart device, reinstall Pay and still won't connect to server to add any cards.
They have sent it up the chain at Samsung Support and said I should hear back within 48 hours.
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Works perfectly for my Verizon S7 and Bank of America debit
Cannot get Samsung pay to work with this phone. Samsung gear installs but the pay plugin won't load.
Same here...
Yea I'm having the same issue, I have reset the watch and still nothing.
update
Villegasrl said:
Yea I'm having the same issue, I have reset the watch and still nothing.
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any update on getting Samsung pay to work with Gear S3 and LG G6?
I switched to Verizon from Sprint and may be regretting that decision as Verizon is blocking the Samsung 15GB of cloud access I was using on Sprint. Seems that Verizon is being the greedy company as they are forcing you to buy anything over 5GB of cloud storage. I find the Samsung cloud backs up more when it comes to phone settings then the Verizon one does. I understand all carriers put their own software on the phone but I never had a vendor block and app or feature such as that. Debating on just switching back to Sprint.
have you tried side loading?
I don't have the app installer to even try that, it is also not in the Play Store, it was something Samsung installed. If I used Quick Shortcut maker I can see it in "activities" but it won't launch properly. I think Verizon did something to prevent it from loading.
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I don't have the app installer to even try that, it is also not in the Play Store, it was something Samsung installed. If I used Quick Shortcut maker I can see it in "activities" but it won't launch properly. I think Verizon did something to prevent it from loading.
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They did this on the Note 7, I think eventually a way was found. Try searching the verizon note 7 forums.
If Samsung provides free functionality on the phone that duplicates something that Verizon offers for a monthly fee - like cloud storage, for example - that Samsung free feature will be removed by Verizon.
Last year, they removed Samsung's "FindMyMobile" feature from the S7. When I inquired about why it was removed, they steered me toward their VZ Protection service - that has similar locate and wipe capabilities - for only $11.99/month.
Ever wonder how they got to be worth $200 billion?
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If Samsung provides free functionality on the phone that duplicates something that Verizon offers for a monthly fee - like cloud storage, for example - that Samsung free feature will be removed by Verizon.
Last year, they removed Samsung's "FindMyMobile" feature from the S7. When I inquired about why it was removed, they steered me toward their VZ Protection service - that has similar locate and wipe capabilities - for only $11.99/month.
Ever wonder how they got to be worth $200 billion?
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They also removed it from this year's model.
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I don't have the app installer to even try that, it is also not in the Play Store, it was something Samsung installed. If I used Quick Shortcut maker I can see it in "activities" but it won't launch properly. I think Verizon did something to prevent it from loading.
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https://www.aptoide.com/app/com.samsung.android.scloud/samsung-cloud
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https://www.aptoide.com/app/com.samsung.android.scloud/samsung-cloud
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why would they put a apk inside their store? Does this even work?
When is Samsung going to get a backbone and stand up to this bull****? Apple tells Verizon to F-Off, so should Samsung.
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why would they put a apk inside their store? Does this even work?
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It didn't work for me.
afh3 said:
Last year, they removed Samsung's "FindMyMobile" feature from the S7. When I inquired about why it was removed, they steered me toward their VZ Protection service - that has similar locate and wipe capabilities - for only $11.99/month.
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What advantage does the Samsung FindMyMobile have over the base Google "Android Device Manager" (which does work with my Verizon S8+)?
https://www.google.com/android/devicemanager
Did anyone figure out how to get this working on the S8? I tried the short cut method and had no success
C0derbear said:
What advantage does the Samsung FindMyMobile have over the base Google "Android Device Manager" (which does work with my Verizon S8+)?
https://www.google.com/android/devicemanager
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I looked into this and I found out that FindMyMobile can turn location services on, which is useful for me as I usually leave location off unless I need it. I believe my verizon s5 had included, so somewhere along the line verizon forced it to be removed.
Anyone doing some more research into getting samsung cloud working? especially now that verizon decided it's cloud would go pay onlyand stop the free service (except for contacts)?? I found the history on the note 7, but the number of running services/processes was 3 or 4 vs just 1 on the s8 when viewing it with quickshortcutmaker...
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Anyone doing some more research into getting samsung cloud working? especially now that verizon decided it's cloud would go pay onlyand stop the free service (except for contacts)?? I found the history on the note 7, but the number of running services/processes was 3 or 4 vs just 1 on the s8 when viewing it with quickshortcutmaker...
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Flash the unlocked firmware on it.
I found a way to do it. About to post a guide.
Confirmed they are blocking it. You must use VPN to bypass. :good: Bye Net Neutrality. Welcome great firewall of Trump*cough* China.
So I just bought a Galaxy Watch and would like to use Samsung Pay, but it seems that Samsung doesn't support non-Samsung phones.
As other forums suggested, I installed older Samsung Pay app versions but this won't work on the Galaxy Watch either.
So does anyone have an idea on how I can use my OP6T and the Galaxy Watch for mobile payment?
Thanks in advance.
uniQ191 said:
So I just bought a Galaxy Watch and would like to use Samsung Pay, but it seems that Samsung doesn't support non-Samsung phones.
As other forums suggested, I installed older Samsung Pay app versions but this won't work on the Galaxy Watch either.
So does anyone have an idea on how I can use my OP6T and the Galaxy Watch for mobile payment?
Thanks in advance.
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I've been using Samsung Pay with my Gear S3 with no issues since I bought the phone in November. Make sure you download the Samsung Pay plugin and the gear plug in from the Galaxy Wear app.
Update: I bought the Galaxy Watch yesterday. Samsung Pay works just fine. My 6t is not rooted. Make sure you have the Galaxy wear app installed on your phone. You can use the Galaxy Wear app from the Play Store. Doesn't have to be from apkmirror.com.
pjosman said:
I've been using Samsung Pay with my Gear S3 with no issues since I bought the phone in November. Make sure you download the Samsung Pay plugin and the gear plug in from the Galaxy Wear app.
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Same working fine for me.
do you need to be root to have Samsung Pay on your 6T
ruff97 said:
do you need to be root to have Samsung Pay on your 6T
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No
borijess said:
No
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so I can install Samsung Pay this https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/samsung-electronics-co-ltd/samsung-pay/samsung-pay-3-7-61-release/
it will work just fine
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so I can install Samsung Pay this https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/samsung-electronics-co-ltd/samsung-pay/samsung-pay-3-7-61-release/
it will work just fine
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Just install the gear S3 app and select Samsung pay. It will install the plug-in.
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Just install the gear S3 app and select Samsung pay. It will install the plug-in.
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even though I don't have gear
ruff97 said:
even though I don't have gear
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you have to have the watch the OnePlus does not do Samsung pay you need to watch to do Samsung pay
I successfully installed the latest Samsung Pay App and the Framework from APK Mirror, but everytime I try to run the app it just quits with "You Watch might not be compatible".
I'm not sure if Samsung Pay is available in Germany yet, so maybe I should change the region of my watch as mentioned in this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/sm...nging-region-samsung-gear-sport-r600-t3771324 ?