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[Q] I wonder if there is a possible way to use my Thunderbolt LTE SIM in a Xoom or other LTE device Verizon? Also, I would like to know more about LTE frequencies. Like, if I cloned my Verizon SIM with a AT&T LTE Sims, would I be allowed to use AT&T devices on my Verizon account despite the obvious?

Why cloning? Unlock the phone, simple and easy. Sim cloning is getting harder every day, even the old 2g sims with latest encription is hard to clon.it may takes even days..
Lte sims can be used in any lte phones if the phone is not network locked. Remember that sim is not locked to a phone, the thing is phones can be locked to a network via software or cid or nand locking methods. Unlock the phone, use it in any network ( not applicable for cdma phones which can be used in cdma networks ONLY and dont have sim slots ) provided the phone have corresponding network reception bands( hardware limited/ very few times software limited, nothing can be done if u r hardware limited, but software limitations can be unlocked).
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befreshshaveivorysalesoap said:
[Q] I wonder if there is a possible way to use my Thunderbolt LTE SIM in a Xoom or other LTE device Verizon? Also, I would like to know more about LTE frequencies. Like, if I cloned my Verizon SIM with a AT&T LTE Sims, would I be allowed to use AT&T devices on my Verizon account despite the obvious?
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Verizon and AT&T both use the 700Mhz field for their LTE but is the small differences that won't allow Swapping
AT&T - 704 - 746MHZ
Verizon - 746MHZ - 787MHZ
Now if they eventually down the road overlap each other in an identical field then yes its possible but Verizon at the moment is using LTE for DATA only and using CDMA for Voice (for now) while AT&T uses both Voice/Data on its LTE.
But Yes you can switch Verizon LTE Phones all you want.. Your account is tied to the Simcard so swap away... I had an HTC Thunderbolt, bought the Rezound and just hot swapped the simcard without ever telling Verizon and it works .... Now I'm not sure if swapping LTE simcard between a tablet and Phone will work the same way.. I would figure yes since the Tablet is only going to use LTE.. but not 100%

It will work. I use my Rezound's SIM for the phone and my Novatel Jetpack. It shows on my account as the Jetpack, with unlimited talk and text.

Im using my Galaxy Nexus(cdma) micro sim in my "new" iPad, no problems.. unlimited data.. and I use Line2 app as my phone/sms. Im sure google voice sms might work for sms too.

Thanks. This is the answer I was hoping for
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[Q] How to check if phone is GSM unlocked

Hey guys bought my HD2 off craigslist and he claimed it to be GSM unlocked. This means i can use it overseas on those GSM carriers right? or on ATT here in the states? If so how can i tell it is truly unlocked? Thanks again great xda-developer members!

put a sim in it, any sim except the original networks sim. if it askks for an unlock code its locked.

samsamuel said:
put a sim in it, any sim except the original networks sim. if it askks for an unlock code its locked.
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Wow that simple? Sorry for the extra thread!
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samsamuel said:
put a sim in it, any sim except the original networks sim. if it askks for an unlock code its locked.
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I put in a straight talk sim (only one i had available) and it said "Please insert a sim card" i have a feelings its because its a CDMA sim card ?

im pretty sure there are no cdma versions of teh hd2.
check the simple things like sim teh rigth way aroud, , it wouldnt be teh first time someone ut one in wrong and spent ten posts trying to fault find, hehe.

elesbb said:
I put in a straight talk sim (only one i had available) and it said "Please insert a sim card" i have a feelings its because its a CDMA sim card ?
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There is no such thing as a CDMA SIM card, aside from Nextel SIM cards that use the iDEN network. Try another SIM.

samsamuel said:
im pretty sure there are no cdma versions of teh hd2.
check the simple things like sim teh rigth way aroud, , it wouldnt be teh first time someone ut one in wrong and spent ten posts trying to fault find, hehe.
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Yeah there isn't that's why I questioned the fact of the sim card being from a cdma phone. But you were eight apparently you can put the card in too far lol. It found the card and just said mobile network unavailable. No passwords or anything. So I'm guessing it is unlocked?
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Product F(RED) said:
There is no such thing as a CDMA SIM card, aside from Nextel SIM cards that use the iDEN network. Try another SIM.
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Thanks I wasn't sure lol. But I did have it in wrong
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Purpose of Sprint SIM card??

What exactly is the purpose of the Sprint sim card? I went to Russia and got the phone unlocked by Sprint, put in a Megafon gsm sim when I got there and accidentally allowed my Sprint sim to get destroyed in the washing machine. So when I got home I expected my phone to not work, but I figured I would switch it over to CDMA just to see what would happen and it works perfect! So I am confused as to why the Sprint sim is even there, is it just a dummy card with no real purpose?

The SIM is for LTE service. CDMA will work without it.
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What exactly is the purpose of the Sprint sim card? I went to Russia and got the phone unlocked by Sprint, put in a Megafon gsm sim when I got there and accidentally allowed my Sprint sim to get destroyed in the washing machine. So when I got home I expected my phone to not work, but I figured I would switch it over to CDMA just to see what would happen and it works perfect! So I am confused as to why the Sprint sim is even there, is it just a dummy card with no real purpose?
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nivron said:
The SIM is for LTE service. CDMA will work without it.
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That cant be true. I had a galaxy nexus on sprint and the sprint variant had no sim slot and connected to 4g lte when I was in the area.
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Back then, the sim was "integrated" into the phone.
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robogoflow said:
That cant be true. I had a galaxy nexus on sprint and the sprint variant had no sim slot and connected to 4g lte when I was in the area.
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Different phone different configuration.

Both the gnex and evo 4g lte had embedded sim cards.
robogoflow said:
That cant be true. I had a galaxy nexus on sprint and the sprint variant had no sim slot and connected to 4g lte when I was in the area.
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nivron said:
Both the gnex and evo 4g lte had embedded sim cards.
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Yep, the SIM card in SG4 is for LTE.

new sim is $50 so you might be more careful next time

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lafester said:
new sim is $50 so you might be more careful next time
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Dang! Is it really that much? Not only is $50 many, many times what it costs Sprint to procure the SIM card (which I would guesstimate at less than 50 cents a piece), it is also a lot more than what the other US carriers charge for a SIM.

obender said:
Yep, the SIM card in SG4 is for LTE.
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I thought the purpose of the Sprint SIM card was to enable Sprint's Worldwide services. Where does it show you need a sim for LTE?
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cruise350 said:
I thought the purpose of the Sprint SIM card was to enable Sprint's Worldwide services. Where does it show you need a sim for LTE?
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You can ask Sprint (I wouldn't count on the clear answer though) or just get to the LTE coverage area, Sprint stores have LTE 4G and pull the SIM out to verify that you cannot get 4G without it.

cruise350 said:
I thought the purpose of the Sprint SIM card was to enable Sprint's Worldwide services. Where does it show you need a sim for LTE?
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The primary purpose of the SIM card in recent Sprint phones is to provision LTE. While previous Sprint LTE Android handsets did not have a SIM slot, they still had a SIM, it's just that it was an embedded/soldered/non-removable type of SIM card.
If you take the SIM out you will not be able to register on Sprint's LTE network.

dont need sim
myphone12345 said:
The primary purpose of the SIM card in recent Sprint phones is to provision LTE. While previous Sprint LTE Android handsets did not have a SIM slot, they still had a SIM, it's just that it was an embedded/soldered/non-removable type of SIM card.
If you take the SIM out you will not be able to register on Sprint's LTE network.
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you do not need a sim card fir lte. You do not need the sim at all while in USA. It will connect to the lte network without it.

rtresh said:
you do not need a sim card fir lte. You do not need the sim at all while in USA. It will connect to the lte network without it.
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Are you sure about this? When running a Verizon ROM on sprint without the proper tweaks, you will get am error about LTE not being able yo connect because it doesn't detect a Verizon sim card. 3G works though.
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rtresh said:
you do not need a sim card fir lte. You do not need the sim at all while in USA. It will connect to the lte network without it.
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You are completely wrong. The phone will definitely not connect to Sprint's LTE network if you take the Sprint SIM out. You will only get CDMA service.

you are wrong
myphone12345 said:
You are completely wrong. The phone will definitely not connect to Sprint's LTE network if you take the Sprint SIM out. You will only get CDMA service.
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I am using the phone and do not have a sim card. so please tell me how i am wrong? I am on sprint and use lte in any are that has it as Michigan is limited at this time. The phone will auto connect to the 4g service

rtresh said:
I am using the phone and do not have a sim card. so please tell me how i am wrong? I am on sprint and use lte in any are that has it as Michigan is limited at this time. The phone will auto connect to the 4g service
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Can you provide a screen capture showing the notification bar with the "no SIM" and 4G indicators both on at the same time?

no sim
myphone12345 said:
Can you provide a screen capture showing the notification bar with the "no SIM" and 4G indicators both on at the same time?
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i will when in a 4g area. i am not sure how to show the sim status at the same time as it is not displayed. Since you dont believe, you can contact radio shack in the twelve oaks mall in novi Michigan. They do not have sprint sims and I was in shock when they actually activated the phone because I was thinking I would need to go get a sim card, but it is not needed.

Sim Card Comparability

Dose anybody know if a unlocked GSM phone will work on a CDMA sprint Sim Card??

Kaydrae said:
Dose anybody know if a unlocked GSM phone will work on a CDMA sprint Sim Card??
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No. It's like trying to install Windows 3.1 on a new Mac (not a VM). The two technologies are incompatible. However you could get a T-Mobile/AT&T SIM card and put it on their service. T-Mobile has some pretty good deals like the 5GB/100 min/unlimited SMS 4G service (4G as in unthrottled pure LTE bliss) for $30 at Wal-mart or t-mobile.com under the prepaid section (harder to find).

Can you activate a verizon s5 on tmobile?

the title says it, i kind of want to do this, maybe not for that long, most likely it would be temporary.

jrpjordan24 said:
the title says it, i kind of want to do this, maybe not for that long, most likely it would be temporary.
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No. Google it and you will find that Verizon and tmobile networks are different. Verizon is CDMA and tmobile is GSM. Or something like that.
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Mr. bird said:
No. Google it and you will find that Verizon and tmobile networks are different. Verizon is CDMA and tmobile is GSM. Or something like that.
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I use Verizon phone on T-Mobile network. Verizon S5 has sim slot for sim cards. All Verizon 4LTE phones, GSM unlock.

B767 said:
I use Verizon phone on T-Mobile network. Verizon S5 has sim slot for sim cards. All Verizon 4LTE phones, GSM unlock.
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This is true.
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U can use it but lte will not work tmobile is not compatible with Verizon lte
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deron37129 said:
U can use it but lte will not work tmobile is not compatible with Verizon lte
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It not true. I confirm LTE works fine with out any problem.

If you are able to use other carrier phones and just pop a Sim card in and your good to go, then in the future can I buy a variant of the phone I want with an unlocked bootloader and be rooted with no issues?
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Odin80 said:
If you are able to use other carrier phones and just pop a Sim card in and your good to go, then in the future can I buy a variant of the phone I want with an unlocked bootloader and be rooted with no issues?
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Nope, i'm actually surprised that Verizon didn't lock the phone if what the above poster said is true. The bootloader isn't what you need unlocked to move from carrier to carrier. Phones with sim cards are generally GSM and phones without sim cards are generally CDMA. GSM phones are normally locked to the specific carrier that you bought it from. CDMA phones are not usually taken on any other networks unless you are moving to a network like cricket which takes what it can get

vinc3stylez said:
Nope, i'm actually surprised that Verizon didn't lock the phone if what the above poster said is true.
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As he said, Verizon 4G phones are all sim unlocked. Phones like this and the Note 2, which I just came from, have the CDMA and GSM bands. It is just as simple as putting in the SIM, change the APN, and be working. That said, the Note 2 could not get a 4G GSM signal only HSPA+ because of the bands it supported. I haven't checked the S5 yet, but I do believe I have seen that it does support some of the 4G GSM bands.
You are right about the CDMA part which is why it wouldn't be wise to buy, say a Sprint S5, and then come to Verizon because it does not support any CDMA bands.

so you guys can confirm that it is sim unlocked?

They always are. All Verizon Wireless 4G phones are SIM unlocked.

jcollier said:
As he said, Verizon 4G phones are all sim unlocked. Phones like this and the Note 2, which I just came from, have the CDMA and GSM bands. It is just as simple as putting in the SIM, change the APN, and be working. That said, the Note 2 could not get a 4G GSM signal only HSPA+ because of the bands it supported. I haven't checked the S5 yet, but I do believe I have seen that it does support some of the 4G GSM bands.
You are right about the CDMA part which is why it wouldn't be wise to buy, say a Sprint S5, and then come to Verizon because it does not support any CDMA bands.
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Bare with me if this seems like an absolutely stupid question.
When I travel I have a GSM HTC One S that I pop in a pre-paid SIM to use (say, 3 in Ireland). I believe this was a T-Mobile phone previously that I carrier unlocked. If I have a Verizon CDMA S5, I could pop in the 3 SIM and be able to use it (maybe not 4G depending on the bands) provided I updated the APN information?

hEaTLoE said:
Bare with me if this seems like an absolutely stupid question.
When I travel I have a GSM HTC One S that I pop in a pre-paid SIM to use (say, 3 in Ireland). I believe this was a T-Mobile phone previously that I carrier unlocked. If I have a Verizon CDMA S5, I could pop in the 3 SIM and be able to use it (maybe not 4G depending on the bands) provided I updated the APN information?
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Correct. I used my Note 2 in multiple European countries, lastly in Rome where it was stolen. Take your Verizon sim out at the airport, put the new one in, change APN, and voila.
(carriers I have tested with - Orange, Vodafone(multiple places), 3, Rogers in Canada)
Your S5 on Verizon isn't solely CDMA. If you look up any website with the bands it supports, you will see the GSM bands.

jcollier said:
Correct. I used my Note 2 in multiple European countries, lastly in Rome where it was stolen. Take your Verizon sim out at the airport, put the new one in, change APN, and voila.
(carriers I have tested with - Orange, Vodafone(multiple places), 3, Rogers in Canada)
Your S5 on Verizon isn't solely CDMA. If you look up any website with the bands it supports, you will see the GSM bands.
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That's fantastic. Thank you!

hEaTLoE said:
That's fantastic. Thank you!
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More than welcome. And here is the link so you can check the bands when looking at foreign carriers.
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=4408
And even without 4G, it is still plenty fast enough to use the internet, google maps, and stream music.

What if you canceled your service and went to tmobile. Would it still work?
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jcollier said:
More than welcome. And here is the link so you can check the bands when looking at foreign carriers.
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=4408
And even without 4G, it is still plenty fast enough to use the internet, google maps, and stream music.
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Looks like the One S and S5 share the same GSM bands... I'll definitely have to try it out. I know my 3 SIM works here in the US too on the phone. Thanks again, really helpful.

ironfisted said:
What if you canceled your service and went to tmobile. Would it still work?
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Yes, or Straight Talk, or whomever.

jcollier said:
Yes, or Straight Talk, or whomever.
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But Straight Talk don't have LTE.

B767 said:
But Straight Talk don't have LTE.
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That wasn't the question. The question, as posed, was would it work? It absolutely will work with speeds up to HSPA+.