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[S4 mini: GT-I9195] Knox warranty void 0x1 – all downsides

Hey guys,
I've read lots of articles about Knox and the whole eFuse thing but the more I read the more unsure I get about rooting my S4 mini. Because of this and because I think you don't get any S4s without "activated" Knox Bootloader anymore I thought it would be helpful for all S4 mini owners (and maybe all Knox device owners in general) to list all downsides and also rumors about "blowing the eFuse" to hopefully take away some of the fears.
I think it's already clear that you could loose your warranty if you got a 0x1 flag. Which doesn't seem to affect EU people But anyway, I'd rather like to get a list of all the irreversible consequences with your device itself when rooting etc:
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The answers in green = positive or red = negative show the current state according to the replies in here, If you have other experiences please let us know.
[ROOTING tripping KNOX 0x1]
Are there any irreversible malfunctions when rooting your device (especially the GT-I9195) and turning to "knox warranty void 0x1"?
Are all (pre-installed) apps - except the Knox apps - still working as they should on rooted stock roms (s-apps, cam, calendar,..)?
[GOING BACK TO DEFAULT FACTORY STATUS]
Regarding the software only:
can you go back to 100% factory status (unrooted, stock etc) with a "Knox Warranty Void 0x1?
- Yes, according to iPAQS4 you can go back with no malfunctions
Do you get the Knox warnings again?
No, according to iPAQS4
Are there any other app or system malfunctions?
- No
Is it true that OTA updates won't work anymore once you tripped your knox flag?
- No, according to iPAQS4 they still work
Is it possible to get official updates via Kies / USB cable still?
- Yes, according to iPAQS4
[FAILURES ROOTING, KNOX]
Regarding the Knox environment only, not self-caused rooting failures:
can there else go anything wrong that can't be undone like breaking important hardware?
or is there a higher chance to brick your device with Knox than without?
is an intact eFuse required by some other hardware (NFC, etc)?
Are there any other known problems/downsides?
Here is an interesting article about all myths & truths about Knox. It's very informative and also answers a few of my questions: http://androidforums.com/boost-mobi...t/807188-guide-q-myths-truths-about-knox.html

Honky-Tonk said:
Hey guys,
I've read lots of articles about Knox and the whole eFuse thing but the more I read the more unsure I get about rooting my S4 mini. Because of this and because I think you don't get any S4s without "activated" Knox Bootloader anymore I thought it would be helpful for all S4 mini owners (and maybe all Knox device owners in general) to list all downsides and also rumors about "blowing the eFuse" to hopefully take away some of the fears.
I think it's already clear that you can loose your warranty if you got a 0x1 flag. But I'd rather like to get a list of all the irreversivble consequences with your device itself when rooting etc:
Can you go back to stock Rom (un-rooted) with a "Knox Warranty Void 0x1"? And with which problems do you have to deal (software warnings, malfunctions...)?
Can you still get official Samsung updates via Kies or over unofficial channels?
Are there any known hardware or software malfunctions because of the broken eFuse?
Are there any other known problems/downsides?
@ all_experienced_owners: would you still recommend rooting a Knox device or breaking the eFuse?
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If you flash stock ROM (XXUBML1 for example) via Odin, the System Status will turn back to Official but of course the Knox flag remains 0x1.
Kies will also recognize your phone.
I don't know whether Kies/OTA updates will work, I never used/saw them.
If you don't care about warranty I recommend rooting

ladislav.heller said:
If you flash stock ROM (XXUBML1 for example) via Odin, the System Status will turn back to Official but of course the Knox flag remains 0x1.
Kies will also recognize your phone.
I don't know whether Kies/OTA updates will work, I never used/saw them.
If you don't care about warranty I recommend rooting
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According to other posts OTA updates won't work anymore, unfortunately. Does anyone else know if updates via Kies/ USB cable will still work?
Have there been any Knox warnings when going back to stock again? It always says to disable all Knox apps once you have rooted your phone but back on un-rooted stock this is not possible, I guess?! So I think you will get these warnings again, don't you?

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Honky-Tonk said:
According to other posts OTA updates won't work anymore, unfortunately. Does anyone else know if updates via Kies/ USB cable will still work?
Have there been any Knox warnings when going back to stock again? It always says to disable all Knox apps once you have rooted your phone but back on un-rooted stock this is not possible, I guess?! So I think you will get these warnings again, don't you?
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Updates via Kies/ USB cable will still work.
Going back to stock is posible whitout extra knox warnings. Knox will behave as before.

iPAQS4 said:
Updates via Kies/ USB cable will still work.
Going back to stock is posible whitout extra knox warnings. Knox will behave as before.
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Sounds great, so you can always go back to original phone status (except your Bootloader and the OTA updates)? Just to make sure: you tripped Knox warranty void to 0x1, right?
What about rooted status (stock rom), did you notice any malfunctions with any apps, especially the s-apps?
Which rooting method did you use?
Thx

Honky-Tonk said:
I think it's already clear that you can loose your warranty if you got a 0x1 flag. But I'd rather like to get a list of all the irreversivble consequences with your device itself when rooting etc:
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Not if you're in the EU. Under legislation, companies aren't allowed to void a warranty because of a software change etc (eg if a piece of hardware fails, they can't turn around and say you rooted your phone so you're not covered).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801

You can use this method to root with out trip the Knox flag: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2565758
I've tried it on mine i9190 without any issue.

Honky-Tonk said:
Sounds great, so you can always go back to original phone status (except your Bootloader and the OTA updates)? Just to make sure: you tripped Knox warranty void to 0x1, right?
What about rooted status (stock rom), did you notice any malfunctions with any apps, especially the s-apps?
Which rooting method did you use?
Thx
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When you go back to original phone status OTA updates will olso work and there are no malfunctions with any apps.

iPAQS4 said:
When you go back to original phone status OTA updates will olso work and there are no malfunctions with any apps.
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really ??
i updated once via kies to the latest firmware and my gt-i9195 was useless, could not turn on wifi and it was lagging a lot and etc...
so i needed to flash it back to my previus firmware version...

nibb-1 said:
really ??
i updated once via kies to the latest firmware and my gt-i9195 was useless, could not turn on wifi and it was lagging a lot and etc...
so i needed to flash it back to my previus firmware version...
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I unrooted my phone by flashing it with the original firmware with odin and than wipe data/ factory reset in recovery mode.
After that my phone had a ota from MJ7 to ML4.

If you recently bought the phone, I don't recommend rooting (although I rooted the phone the same day I bought it) If you really don't care about the warranty and the OTA updates, root your phone. I literally can do nothing without root.
As we heard today, our S4 Mini will update to 4.4.2 so I don't recommend rooting until it is out so you cqn get the OTA update.
Press THANKS if I helped!

Sky91 said:
Not if you're in the EU. Under legislation, companies aren't allowed to void a warranty because of a software change etc (eg if a piece of hardware fails, they can't turn around and say you rooted your phone so you're not covered).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
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Good to know, thank's a lot

Sky91 said:
Not if you're in the EU. Under legislation, companies aren't allowed to void a warranty because of a software change etc (eg if a piece of hardware fails, they can't turn around and say you rooted your phone so you're not covered).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
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Thx, yes that makes sense. I've also read a few articles about the warranty facts and always wondered why sellers can refuse warranty just because of the "wrong" software. I mean I never heard of anything like that with personal computers, notebooks etc. Would be very interesting, though if a mainboard manufacturer doesn't give warranty and claims that Windows, OSX, Linux etc destroyed it because you used it as an Admin . So actually I think, this regulation should apply world wide not only in the EU.
But we should keep in mind that warranty is not the same as guaranty which is probably really gone with a void 0x1 flag?! However it's great (at least for European people) to have a last hope in mind!
But the reason I wanted to list all downsides is to make sure that you can also root Knox system without any hesitation - to keep the fun for rooting so to say
iPAQS4 said:
I unrooted my phone by flashing it with the original firmware with odin and than wipe data/ factory reset in recovery mode.
After that my phone had a ota from MJ7 to ML4.
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I just found this article about all myths & truths about Knox http://androidforums.com/boost-mobi...t/807188-guide-q-myths-truths-about-knox.html
It's very informative but I'm now confused again because the Article says that you can't use Knox apps anymore, once you tripped the flag:
"[...]If the KNOX warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use KNOX software as your device has been flagged as insecure.[...]"
Does this only concern additional Knox Apps not the default ones which produce the warning messages? Or are the Knox Apps just no installed anymore when going back on a 0x1 device or kind of deactivated by default? Could you check that?
RoyaLKurTx3 said:
If you recently bought the phone, I don't recommend rooting (although I rooted the phone the same day I bought it) If you really don't care about the warranty and the OTA updates, root your phone. I literally can do nothing without root.
As we heard today, our S4 Mini will update to 4.4.2 so I don't recommend rooting until it is out so you cqn get the OTA update.
Press THANKS if I helped!
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Thx, I personally don't care about warranty. So this was really rather meant to only treat the functional downsides if there are any at all. I wanted to make sure to not have a trash phone with lots of battery drain or even worse: some irreversible hardware malfunctions after rooting. I'm also looking forward to KitKat but I doubt that the update will remove Knox again since even the army is already working together with Samsung now!
But according to iPAQS4 you can't do so much wrong with rooting (regarding the Knox environment of course)?!

Honky-Tonk said:
Thx, yes that makes sense. I've also read a few articles about the warranty facts and always wondered why sellers can refuse warranty just because of the "wrong" software. I mean I never heard of anything like that with personal computers, notebooks etc. Would be very interesting, though if a mainboard manufacturer doesn't give warranty and claims that Windows, OSX, Linux etc destroyed it because you used it as an Admin . So actually I think, this regulation should apply world wide not only in the EU.
But we should keep in mind that warranty is not the same as guaranty which is probably really gone with a void 0x1 flag?! However it's great (at least for European people) to have a last hope in mind!
But the reason I wanted to list all downsides is to make sure that you can also root Knox system without any hesitation - to keep the fun for rooting so to say
I just found this article about all myths & truths about Knox http://androidforums.com/boost-mobi...t/807188-guide-q-myths-truths-about-knox.html
It's very informative but I'm now confused again because the Article says that you can't use Knox apps anymore, once you tripped the flag:
"[...]If the KNOX warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use KNOX software as your device has been flagged as insecure.[...]"
Does this only concern additional Knox Apps not the default ones which produce the warning messages? Or are the Knox Apps just no installed anymore when going back on a 0x1 device or kind of deactivated by default? Could you check that?
Thx, I personally don't care about warranty. So this was really rather meant to only treat the functional downsides if there are any at all. I wanted to make sure to not have a trash phone with lots of battery drain or even worse: some irreversible hardware malfunctions after rooting. I'm also looking forward to KitKat but I doubt that the update will remove Knox again since even the army is already working together with Samsung now!
But according to iPAQS4 you can't do so much wrong with rooting (regarding the Knox environment of course)?!
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I will flash a new ROM and I'll see if the KNOX stays like it was. But I'll do that later today or tomorrow.
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Honky-Tonk said:
I just found this article about all myths & truths about Knox
It's very informative but I'm now confused again because the Article says that you can't use Knox apps anymore, once you tripped the flag:
"[...]If the KNOX warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use KNOX software as your device has been flagged as insecure.[...]"
Does this only concern additional Knox Apps not the default ones which produce the warning messages? Or are the Knox Apps just no installed anymore when going back on a 0x1 device or kind of deactivated by default? Could you check that?
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According myths & truths about Knox
If the KNOX warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use KNOX software as your device has been flagged as insecure. By this I mean that if your workplace / company supports bring your own device to work for corporate emails etc and they use KNOX to keep security your device will not allow this. You are still able to use future Samsung firmware releases with the KNOX flag 0x1.

Confirmed. If you flash a new ROM TWICE, your KNOX counter will get 0x0. It will look like it is new.
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RoyaLKurTx3 said:
Confirmed. If you flash a new ROM TWICE, your KNOX counter will get 0x0. It will look like it is new.
Press THANKS if I helped!
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Is your phone knox previously tripped 0x1 and when you flash new rom twice become 0x0 ? thanks

rnbeez said:
Is your phone knox previously tripped 0x1 and when you flash new rom twice become 0x0 ? thanks
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Yep.
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RoyaLKurTx3 said:
Yep.
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wiered it needs more researching .. mate knox flag is nearly impossible to reset and you are sayin flashing a stock rom twice fixes it !!

If I have knox bootloader can I...?

If I have knox bootloader can I:-
1) Root my device?
2) Flash different modem?
3) Flash any CM or AOSP ROM?
4) Flash any custom recovery?
I want these things to be clear for me.
Thanks.
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Yes to all. Except 3 some ppl have trouble flashing different modems.
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yeah there area ways to still do that stuff but it'll flag it, so that voids your warranty

SayWhat10 said:
yeah there area ways to still do that stuff but it'll flag it, so that voids your warranty
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I don't care about warranty.
I care about my freedom to choose modems and roms and edit my system as I want.
But I see Google android and Samsung in their way to loose more users by their new jails.
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yea
supposedly knox was for making the Galaxy an enterprise level security phone. so WTF is the warranty flag all about? right?
cyberweasal
anees02 said:
I don't care about warranty.
I care about my freedom to choose modems and roms and edit my system as I want.
But I see Google android and Samsung in their way to loose more users by their new jails.
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cyberweasal said:
supposedly knox was for making the Galaxy an enterprise level security phone. so WTF is the warranty flag all about? right?
cyberweasal
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Well, the knox warranty flag has nothing to do with the phone's warranty. It's purpose is to signal to the knox container that the phone has been tampered with and is no longer able to provide the required security to the phone. Now, since there is no way to reset it like we could 0 out the flash counter with triangle away, it can also allow Samsung to see that your rooted or tampered with your phone so they can deny you warranty service. I haven't seen one post from someone that has been denied warranty service after tripping the knox warranty flag, we just all assume this will be the case since rooting your phone violates your warranty.

cruise350 said:
Well, the knox warranty flag has nothing to do with the phone's warranty. It's purpose is to signal to the knox container that the phone has been tampered with and is no longer able to provide the required security to the phone. Now, since there is no way to reset it like we could 0 out the flash counter with triangle away, it can also allow Samsung to see that your rooted or tampered with your phone so they can deny you warranty service. I haven't seen one post from someone that has been denied warranty service after tripping the knox warranty flag, we just all assume this will be the case since rooting your phone violates your warranty.
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Eh.... Doesn't your first sentence contradict everything else you said?

SayWhat10 said:
Eh.... Doesn't your first sentence contradict everything else you said?
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No, the Knox warranty flag has nothing to do with the phone's warranty only knox's warranty. The later statements were just the way it is. Samsung has never said your phone's warranty is invalid if the Knox warranty flag is tripped. But, if you read their warranty, it does say if you tampered with your phone than your warranty may be void. So, yes, you can infer that a tripped Knox warranty flag also means your warranty is void.
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cant wait till someone figures out how to reset Knox..then this will get interesting!!!
cruise350 said:
No, the Knox warranty flag has nothing to do with the phone's warranty only knox's warranty. The later statements were just the way it is. Samsung has never said your phone's warranty is invalid if the Knox warranty flag is tripped. But, if you read their warranty, it does say if you tampered with your phone than your warranty may be void. So, yes, you can infer that a tripped Knox warranty flag also means your warranty is void.
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[Q] note 3 warranty bit 1

I rooted my note 3 n9000q via cf-auto root then when i take my phone download mode i saw warranty bit is 1 if i download stock rom does my phone show warranty 1 ?
Also can you help me about downloading rom specially dr ketans rom i heard i can use roms for sm-n900 is it true
Lastly sorry for my english

batusenn said:
I rooted my note 3 n9000q via cf-auto root then when i take my phone download mode i saw warranty bit is 1 if i download stock rom does my phone show warranty 1 ?
Also can you help me about downloading rom specially dr ketans rom i heard i can use roms for sm-n900 is it true
Lastly sorry for my english
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1) No. Once it's been set, you cannot reverse it (as of now).
2) Don't know, sorry.
3) You're English was good enough to get your point across. ^-^

batusenn said:
I rooted my note 3 n9000q via cf-auto root then when i take my phone download mode i saw warranty bit is 1 if i download stock rom does my phone show warranty 1 ?
Also can you help me about downloading rom specially dr ketans rom i heard i can use roms for sm-n900 is it true
Lastly sorry for my english
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Your warranty bit is 1 forever unless we find out how to reset. Flashing stock rom won't fix...

On the note 3 if your talking about knox counter then you can't
However the warranty bit not sure about see if triangle away resets this
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Knox Warranty Bit: 1 or 0x1
This mean that the Samsung System Security KNOX is not secure to work on 2x1 Phones on one. For You and for Your work on Enterprises, Governments an more (if You work on them).
See this: https://www.samsungknox.com/en/overview/technical-details
Quote: I think that's why this technology has been approved by the Ministry of Defense USA. (If flag 0x0 my opinion).
Samsung KNOX protects its operating system using SE for Android, which is built on the SELinux technology developed by NSA. (And not protect if flag 0x1, my opinion).
Read this: http://linux.die.net/man/8/selinux
Then, this is first of all the warranty from Knox Security, not for our personal warranty. On still discuss about.
That technical-details was censured by Samsung, may be. Read this:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47587340&postcount=290

ValenteL said:
Knox Warranty Bit: 1 or 0x1
Then, this is first of all the warranty from Knox Security, not for our personal warranty. On still discuss about.
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This statement isn't true... Samsung have declared that due to using unapproved software the hardware has been damaged (technically true, however Samsung has done this) so therefore Warranty will not be honored...
Certain countries can debate this due to their consumer laws but generally it's up to the guy who's repairing to enforce warranty or not...

Firstly thanks everyone
Im not sure triangle away is harmony for my phone
Turkish model doesnt have knox you should know
But the worst thing is when i look something for my phone everything is for sm-n9005
If hackers want information about our phones i can send you whatever you want
Warranty bit must be 0 in my phone and my turkish friends wait something for us

So... Where's this Knox thing??

Hey all,
I have an s5 on EE in the UK.
Heard about this Knox security software. It shows in my list of installed apps yet I can't seem to locate where it is?
Also debating root... Not sure if it's worth it, but did want to have a look at Knox.
Thanks

PIzzimperfect said:
Hey all,
I have an s5 on EE in the UK.
Heard about this Knox security software. It shows in my list of installed apps yet I can't seem to locate where it is?
Also debating root... Not sure if it's worth it, but did want to have a look at Knox.
Thanks
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knox is a security implemented by samsung, it is active in the background, has no app for that. basically it "protects" samsung warranty better than the triangle in download mode witch shows how many imes you flashed, if you had roted ur device, in download mode will show u have 0x1 warranty voided.<---- thats basically KNOX.
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Ahh ok.. Thank you.
Wow Samsung, you suck.

PIzzimperfect said:
Ahh ok.. Thank you.
Wow Samsung, you suck.
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you are in the UK so Knox doesn't void your warranty once tripped

DSA said:
you are in the UK so Knox doesn't void your warranty once tripped
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I check my insurance which I took out for my phone when I got it. They state that modifying or rooting will make my insurance void. How annoying. Is there some legality involved?
Thanks!

fenchai said:
knox is a security implemented by samsung, it is active in the background, has no app for that. basically it "protects" samsung warranty better than the triangle in download mode witch shows how many imes you flashed, if you had roted ur device, in download mode will show u have 0x1 warranty voided.<---- thats basically KNOX.
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No. ^
KNOX is a security container -> a place where you install apps inside a secure container that cannot be tampered with on a high level TrustZone security algorithm.
It's great that the person above said what it essentially does to your device, but what he explained above is what happens when the TrustZone between the software and the hardware is breached during root/downgrade/unsigned flashing. This essentially would allow the viewer of the KNOX status to know when the device does not trust it's own body with secure enterprise level apps (Application Integrity), hence the KNOX warranty bit will be set from 0x0 to 0x1 meaning "I will not ever run a secure container anymore".
You won't find KNOX 2.0 on your device as this is now a paid service for enterprises at a rate of $3.60 and it is only set up on your device when you have the KNOX 2.0 kit deployed on your device, unlike KNOX 1.0 where you get to enter KNOX mode anytime you want.

I have some question about Knox

Hi
I have bought me a new samsung s5 and I really want to flash a different rom and kernel but now I wonder if someone can tell me if the warranty is gone if I do that (if I understood it right it would trigger the knox)?,is there any way to reset the knox thing?
best regards
Peter
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shysstkille said:
Hi
I have bought me a new samsung s5 and I really want to flash a different rom and kernel but now I wonder if someone can tell me if the warranty is gone if I do that (if I understood it right it would trigger the knox)?,is there any way to reset the knox thing?
best regards
Peter
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Look here http://omegadroid.co/wanted-knox-void-warranty-0x1/ for instance and KNOX cannot be reset atm. You can root with Towelroot without tripipng KNOX but flashing a kernel or custom recovery will set KNOX on 0x1. Yes, tripping KNOX will void warranty in some regions depending on local laws. In the EU it doesn`t unless the oem can prove that rooting was the cause of the defect.

shysstkille said:
I really want to flash a different rom and kernel but now I wonder if someone can tell me if the warranty is gone if I do that (if I understood it right it would trigger the knox)?,is there any way to reset the knox thing?
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Knox doesn't matter to most people. Samsung will, particularly in North America disavow a warranty if Knox is tripped. But most people don't deal with Samsung for warranty issues. They deal with their carrier and most carriers don't care about Knox.And stronger consumer protection legislation in the EU means that your warranty rights cannot be summarily dismissed. You signature suggests that you may be in the EU in which case it isn't likely an issue for you. Do a forum search to see how your carrier, which you neglected to name, handles warranty claims.
A forum search would have given you better answers to all of your questions. You would find threads demonstrating that Knox can be reset. But it has only been demonstrated in limited and experimental conditions so far. It's not yet clear how widely that could be applied and isn't likely to be easily accessible to you anytime soon. A custom recovery, custom kernel or some older root methods will trip Knox.
If you are unwilling to trip Knox, then use towel root which shouldn't increment Knox and Safestrap to run your ROM. It's a lot more cumbersome and limits your choices. But you pick your poison and drink it.
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fffft said:
Knox doesn't matter to most people. Samsung will, particularly in North America disavow a warranty if Knox is tripped. But most people don't deal with Samsung for warranty issues. They deal with their carrier and most carriers don't care about Knox.And stronger consumer protection legislation in the EU means that your warranty rights cannot be summarily dismissed. You signature suggests that you may be in the EU in which case it isn't likely an issue for you. Do a forum search to see how your carrier, which you neglected to name, handles warranty claims.
A forum search would have given you better answers to all of your questions. You would find threads demonstrating that Knox can be reset. But it has only been demonstrated in limited and experimental conditions so far. It's not yet clear how widely that could be applied and isn't likely to be easily accessible to you anytime soon. A custom recovery, custom kernel or some older root methods will trip Knox.
If you are unwilling to trip Knox, then use towel root which shouldn't increment Knox and Safestrap to run your ROM. It's a lot more cumbersome and limits your choices. But you pick your poison and drink it.
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thanks all for your answer,For the moment I have towelroot in my phone but is there any difference between towelroot and a "normal"root?,I mean is it more limits when I use towelroot?,on my samsung s4 I have a "normal" root.
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shysstkille said:
is there any difference between towelroot and a "normal"root?,I mean is it more limits when I use towelroot?,on my samsung s4 I have a "normal" root.
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No, root is root. Towel root is just a nickname to the latest way to obtain root.
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fffft said:
No, root is root. Towel root is just a nickname to the latest way to obtain root.
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åh,Nice,thanks a lot mate
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How do I check the Knox counter?.... :/
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Toxicoblivion said:
How do I check the Knox counter?
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A forum search would have told you this.. look on the download mode page, in the system properties or install an app like Phone Info.
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shysstkille said:
thanks all for your answer,For the moment I have towelroot in my phone but is there any difference between towelroot and a "normal"root?,I mean is it more limits when I use towelroot?,on my samsung s4 I have a "normal" root.
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Towelroot uses an exploit so it won't trip your KNOX counter.
Using regular root on the GS5 trips KNOX.
But as stated above, flashing a custom recovery, kernel or ROM will trip KNOX regardless.
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Toxicoblivion said:
How do I check the Knox counter?.... :/
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You can either use download mode like the guy who replied to you or download an app off playstore called Phone Info.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.vndnguyen.phoneinfo&hl=en