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Hey guys,
I've had my Nexus for just over a month now and apart from a few minor issues I'm really enjoying my experience with my Nexus.
BUT: One thing that really p*sses me off is the total waste of screen real estate being the "on screen buttons". I can sort of understand the device having as few as possible buttons is pretty cool but when it starts invading your screen size that is NOT COOL.
I have a few questions for google: Why oh why did you make the background for the navigation buttons black?? Why not transparent? Or transparent with a blur effect? Personally I would prefer just transparent with faint white back, home and app switcher buttons. It would make more of the screen available to see.
If I were to root my device, are these things that i could schange in the System or Framework RES folders? Or would it be much more complicated than that (i.e. changing color hex's in .xml files?)?
Search for how to enable the tablet UI. I had to enlarge the font to make things a bit more comfortable for me, but I really do like the true tablet UI.
sikodemon said:
Hey guys,
I've had my Nexus for just over a month now and apart from a few minor issues I'm really enjoying my experience with my Nexus.
BUT: One thing that really p*sses me off is the total waste of screen real estate being the "on screen buttons". I can sort of understand the device having as few as possible buttons is pretty cool but when it starts invading your screen size that is NOT COOL.
I have a few questions for google: Why oh why did you make the background for the navigation buttons black?? Why not transparent? Or transparent with a blur effect? Personally I would prefer just transparent with faint white back, home and app switcher buttons. It would make more of the screen available to see.
If I were to root my device, are these things that i could schange in the System or Framework RES folders? Or would it be much more complicated than that (i.e. changing color hex's in .xml files?)?
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You can make it smaller.
Here's a guide.http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1844878
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Hmm, nearly, but I still don't understand why the navbar background color has to be black, I just really don't get what the advantage is. It would just make so much more sense if it were see through.
sikodemon said:
Hmm, nearly, but I still don't understand why the navbar background color has to be black, I just really don't get what the advantage is. It would just make so much more sense if it were see through.
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Maybe it was carried over from the gnex.
It's black on the gnex to take advantage of the AMOLED screen.
Beamed from Maguro
Hi
sikodemon said:
Hmm, nearly, but I still don't understand why the navbar background color has to be black, I just really don't get what the advantage is. It would just make so much more sense if it were see through.
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Presumably it is because it is dead space. Applications don't/can't expand into that area as it is protected. For example if you had an application open to the maximum behind translucent soft buttons, and that application required you to press something towards its bottom edge, you can't as it is now behind the menu buttons.
Ideally the buttons would be below the display and printed onto the touch screen as they are with my HTC One X, presumably they are not for either cost reasons or flexibility of the design.
Regards
Phil
sikodemon said:
Hmm, nearly, but I still don't understand why the navbar background color has to be black, I just really don't get what the advantage is. It would just make so much more sense if it were see through.
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I'd guess that it doesn't make sense for it to be transparent because there is nothing under the navbar. Its a part of the screen that is separate from the application, if you allowed the navbar to be imposed over the application and transparent then the bottom part of the screen would be unusable in the application because touching it would activate the navbar buttons rather than the applications.
That said on the launcher it would be easy to just extend the wallpaper over the navbar and make it transparent and in apps you could colour the navbar with the average colour of the application background etc, though of course Apple has a patent waiting for that http://www.phonearena.com/news/Appl...xed-video_id34472?ratelimit=-10&sort=threaded
Not true because you can hide the nav bar on certain roms and that space it was using up is definitely usable. Hey OP I forgot what it's called but there's a launcher somewhere based on nothing but gestures so you don't even need a nav bar and you can use that extra screen space you seem to desperately need.
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sikodemon said:
Hey guys,
I've had my Nexus for just over a month now and apart from a few minor issues I'm really enjoying my experience with my Nexus.
BUT: One thing that really p*sses me off is the total waste of screen real estate being the "on screen buttons". I can sort of understand the device having as few as possible buttons is pretty cool but when it starts invading your screen size that is NOT COOL.
I have a few questions for google: Why oh why did you make the background for the navigation buttons black?? Why not transparent? Or transparent with a blur effect? Personally I would prefer just transparent with faint white back, home and app switcher buttons. It would make more of the screen available to see.
If I were to root my device, are these things that i could schange in the System or Framework RES folders? Or would it be much more complicated than that (i.e. changing color hex's in .xml files?)?
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I agreed with you. Is there anyone that can port Motorola's Transparent Software Buttons, so it will be better?
slick_rick said:
Not true because you can hide the nav bar on certain roms and that space it was using up is definitely usable. Hey OP I forgot what it's called but there's a launcher somewhere based on nothing but gestures so you don't even need a nav bar and you can use that extra screen space you seem to desperately need.
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You're both right and wrong. The launcher you're thinking of is probably the PIE launcher available on many custom ROMs, as well as its app equivalent (which I believe is called LMT). But your reasoning as far as hiding the navbar is incorrect. If you hide the navbar on a ROM (or even the way it's done in many games and the YouTube app), the navbar disappears, i.e. it's no longer protecting the screen space that it's not using. Making it transparent would do no such thing, and even if you forced an app to use the space beneath the navbar, you'd wind up with three floating navigation items that would probably conflict with an app's bottom navigation.
Pegasus195 said:
I agreed with you. Is there anyone that can port Motorola's Transparent Software Buttons, so it will be better?
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If you want to look into custom ROMs, some will allow you to mess around with your navbar icons/actions (the main one I like is the replace Recent Apps with a Last App switcher). Paranoid Android also allows you to change the color (and I believe that includes alpha transparency), including a "chameleon"-style bar that changes color based on the active app's predominant scheme.
Also, to respond to something from earlier: black is better because as a static color, it uses less resources to draw and has the benefit of being power-efficient on AMOLED screens. In addition, while it might look neat, it's pretty well accepted in UI/UX lore that you should keep navigational elements as clearly and visually distinct as possible to make them easier to hit. Shoving white/grey buttons on top of an active-blurred background can create quite a headache.
There's a great example of this in the screenshots of Apple's control center for iOS 7. For some backgrounds, the control center is clearly visible despite the background bleeding through, but on others, you basically can't read the buttons because the blur is too distracting.
I'm all about maximizing screen real estate, so I removed the on-screen nav buttons by adding 'qemu.hw.mainkeys=1' to system/build.prop. I use GMD Gesture Control to get around and things are pretty awesome. What still bugs me though is that videos through the youtube app play with 7/16 inch black sidebars in landscape. Is there any way to get videos to play true fullscreen? I tried playing videos through Chrome but couldn't even get the videos to play landscape.
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I'm all about maximizing screen real estate, so I removed the on-screen nav buttons by adding 'qemu.hw.mainkeys=1' to system/build.prop. I use GMD Gesture Control to get around and things are pretty awesome. What still bugs me though is that videos through the youtube app play with 7/16 inch black sidebars in landscape. Is there any way to get videos to play true fullscreen? I tried playing videos through Chrome but couldn't even get the videos to play landscape.
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You can't, because the screen resolution of the N4 is 1280x768, as opposed to 1280x760 like a true HD video. You would have to zoom a bit and chop the edges of the video of if you wanted true full screen.
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i think this has to do more with how you got rid of the nav buttons, if you want to do it yourself you have to edit the frameworks not just the build prop. The easy way would be just to use AOKP, PA or CM rom that has this option built in. btw check out LMT instead GMD, it much better.
here's a screen of my youtube app on the nexus 4
GMD have the option to hide your nav bar, you can also create a gesture to hide and unhide the nav bar. It's what I'm using right now.
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i think this has to do more with how you got rid of the nav buttons, if you want to do it yourself you have to edit the frameworks not just the build prop. The easy way would be just to use AOKP, PA or CM rom that has this option built in. btw check out LMT instead GMD, it much better.
here's a screen of my youtube app on the nexus 4
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i've been holding out on flashing roms until most of the kinks are worked out, but i guess there's no harm in testing them out now since they're probably pretty close to stable. i'll test them all out soon. which one are you running, neotekz?
Is there some way (Cyanogenmod or other CustomROM...?) to modify Nexus7 to get more real screen estate (especially in landscape mode) in modern android versions (Jelly Bean, Kitkat)?
I think that the best way to do this would be
1. in portrait mode combine virtual navigation buttons and status bar into one bar that is in lower edge of the screen (Honeycomb style).
2. in landscape mode have a vertical navigation bar (Nexus4, Nexus5, Xperia Z style) in right edge of the screen
3. for even more estate in landscape mode integrate status bar into the vertical navigation bar (modded Honeycomb style. Otherwise pretty simle but displaying time numbers vertically might seem and odd solution but in the long run it is the most efficient solution).
I did even a feature request of this to Android in code.google.com:
"More real screen estate for android tablets by virtual navigation button / status bar customizations"
It is just such a pity. Nexus7, a tablet with so much potential becomes so much an unfinished product when turning it into landscape. Even this tablet (Procaster Mid 007) that costs only 70eur utilizes space better than Nexus7:
And Galaxy Tab3 7.0 is way ahead in real screen estate/usability.
Just get xposed with gravity box and LMT. Done. If you're rooted anyway.
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kj2112 said:
Just get xposed with gravity box and LMT. Done. If you're rooted anyway.
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This seems to be far too complicated "hacker's solution" (and does not officially work with 4.4. kitkat). Is there any simpler way to prevent navigation bar from rotating?
golemus said:
This seems to be far too complicated "hacker's solution" (and does not officially work with 4.4. kitkat). Is there any simpler way to prevent navigation bar from rotating?
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I'm not sure what you mean by rotating?
And no....if you're rooted...installing xposed and gravity box is simple. Installing lmt is simple....hide navigation bar with gravity box....gain real estate at bottom of screen (as OP was asking about) and lmt is like pie. And its nice once you get used to it.
Whole process (assuming you're rooted) takes about 7 minutes.
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I'm not sure what you mean by rotating?
And no....if you're rooted...installing xposed and gravity box is simple. Installing lmt is simple....hide navigation bar with gravity box....gain real estate at bottom of screen (as OP was asking about) and lmt is like pie. And its nice once you get used to it.
Whole process (assuming you're rooted) takes about 7 minutes.
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Yep. Agreed.
@golemus...
Xposed is really simple to install (see link in my sig)... assuming your rooted of course. GravityBox is then installed via the Xposed app itself... and future updates are maintained accordingly. Think of the Xposed app as a sort of repository of all Xposed modules, of which GravityBox is just one. Easy to install, and easy to maintain... and it does work on KitKat 4.4.2... I have it running on my Nexus 7.
IMHO, Xposed framework is the best thing to happen to Android... and GravityBox is just terrific. It offers a whole plethora of great tweaks.
I'm not familiar with LMT though... definitely going to have to have a tinker with that.
Rgrds,
Ged.
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Yep. Agreed.
@golemus...
Xposed is really simple to install (see link in my sig)... assuming your rooted of course. GravityBox is then installed via the Xposed app itself... and future updates are maintained accordingly. Think of the Xposed app as a sort of repository of all Xposed modules, of which GravityBox is just one. Easy to install, and easy to maintain... and it does work on KitKat 4.4.2... I have it running on my Nexus 7.
IMHO, Xposed framework is the best thing to happen to Android... and GravityBox is just terrific. It offers a whole plethora of great tweaks.
I'm not familiar with LMT though... definitely going to have to have a tinker with that.
Rgrds,
Ged.
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I don't like installing anything that you can't get from Google Play store, and I didn't find gravitybox or lmt from there (although I did find some xposed thing from there).
And also I found another (partial) solution, I installed a program called "Auto Hide Soft Keys". Although it was not exactly the solution I wanted, now I have virtual navigation bar in right side of the screen but it is invisible by default and when you swipe it to be visible it will cover something else from the right edge of the screen. You can choose it to be all the time visible but then it will all the time cover content from the right edge. So I have to hide it, which causes that for me to press home, back or multitask buttons I need to acts (first swipe from right edge to get the bar to appear and then press a button in the bar).
A bit offtopic but every time I post something i need to fill a captcha, it is very annoying. Is there any way to get rid of them?
Try it the 4.3 roms. Most of them supports full screen mode with PIE.
Go xposed. You won't go back.
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Wolfensteinjd said:
Go xposed. You won't go back.
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Absolutely. Never was a truer phrase written.
Rgrds,
Ged.
I found gravity box, and installed id successfully. However, the only option is to force navbar into tablet like mode, so horizontal when landscape, there is no inverse option to keep it vertical when landscape. How can I approach this?
Also, what is LMT and where to find it? I didn't find it in xposed repository.
Type "LMT xda" in Google. Boom.
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issak42 said:
I found gravity box, and installed id successfully. However, the only option is to force navbar into tablet like mode, so horizontal when landscape, there is no inverse option to keep it vertical when landscape. How can I approach this?
Also, what is LMT and where to find it? I didn't find it in xposed repository.
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kj2112 said:
Just get xposed with gravity box and LMT. Done. If you're rooted anyway.
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I also put gravity box but cannot get a vertical navbar in landscape. Somebody claims in topic below that it is not possible. Can somebody confirm if it is possible or not?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2316070&page=537
issak42 said:
I found gravity box, and installed id successfully. However, the only option is to force navbar into tablet like mode, so horizontal when landscape, there is no inverse option to keep it vertical when landscape. How can I approach this?
Also, what is LMT and where to find it? I didn't find it in xposed repository.
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i would like the same thing, have the navigation bar be on the side of the screen when in landscape mode, already using LMT and all the other things mentioned in the thread, i still prefer a navigation bar
bumping this. has a solution been found yet?
Another bump...really would like navbar on the side in landscape! GB does not do it for me...
galaxys said:
Another bump...really would like navbar on the side in landscape! GB does not do it for me...
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For stock... GB is the only way.
But many Roms will have options for this, or by default even. ?
KJ said:
For stock... GB is the only way.
But many Roms will have options for this, or by default even. ?
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I'm on stock 4.4.4 and the GB op said yesterday GB is not designed to put the navbar on the right side in landscape...
galaxys said:
I'm on stock 4.4.4 and the GB op said yesterday GB is not designed to put the navbar on the right side in landscape...
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That pretty much means you'll need a custom Rom that supports it.
Not sure which do though... I run stock 4.2.2
Hey friends
I really don't like the navbar which is reducing the screen to much, so I decided to install J Touch app from playstore.
Loaded a nice looking home button jpeg picture from the web. Give the button a one hit back function, a long press home function and a swipe up for recents.
Please see attached pictures navigating is nice and I whish I could even eliminate the navbar on the homescreen
FridrufHau said:
Hey friends
I really don't like the navbar which is reducing the screen to much, so I decided to install J Touch app from playstore.
Loaded a nice looking home button jpeg picture from the web. Give the button a one hit back function, a long press home function and a swipe up for recents.
Please see attached pictures navigating is nice and I whish I could even eliminate the navbar on the homescreen
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Keeping one icon appear on the screen all the time may cause burn in I'd be worried about that
big_b0sss said:
Keeping one icon appear on the screen all the time may cause burn in I'd be worried about that
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No I don't think so. There is transparency setted, the button is popping if hitted and it is shifting up on home screen. You could be as scared or even more about a status bar burn in...
and look how much time is needed:
"Test Results
The iPhone X displayed burn-ins before the Galaxy Note 8 at 17 hours. However, it took 510 hours for the images to become permanently etched on its display which also marked the end of the test.
Compared to that, the Note 8 took 62 hours to show first signs of display burn-in, which is impressive. However, it had permanent marks way before the end of the test. The Galaxy S7 Edge showed signs of burn-in sooner than the iPhone X, however, it showed permanent burn-ins much later than the Note 8 and almost at iPhone X’s 510 hour mark."
From page:
https://propakistani.pk/2018/01/05/iphone-xs-screen-shows-burn-marks-just-17-hours-test/
Ok so would you recommend the app over navigation gesture? The gesture is not polished at the moment I'll give the app a go
big_b0sss said:
Ok so would you recommend the app over navigation gesture? The gesture is not polished at the moment I'll give the app a go
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I think so, you can also activate temporary move, which is helpful is s.th. is hided by the button. So you can move the button away for two seconds. You can hide button always in landscape, it is hiding when you are keyboard typing... it is perfect for 18:9 displays.
If navbar would have a one button control too, I wouldn't use J Touch.
You can also give it an iPhone look but ok I guess everybody is hating apple .
Edit: Ah ok you mean gesture. Sorry I didn't have this option until now.... don't know what is better
Looks like a nice app. I prefer LMT Launcher though as you can set it to do almost any task and only comes on the screen when you activate it so creates a really clean look with extra functionality.
Or you could try Gesture Control from Conena.. I'm very happy with the way the gestures work
es0tericcha0s said:
Looks like a nice app. I prefer LMT Launcher though as you can set it to do almost any task and only comes on the screen when you activate it so creates a really clean look with extra functionality.
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Have you been able to use lmt with stock os? If so, I'd like to know the secret for getting rid of the nav bar
Not sure. Not really a fan of stock. From other forum members, it's possible to disable it with the joneplustool app. Both that and LMT require root.
I've been using Swipe Navigation. It even has long press functionality. Loving it so far.
That looks bat **** ugly, why don't you just download https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.suphi.swipenavigation&hl=en ?
In my kg g6 its eating battery like elephant ??
Xposed Edge anyone?
Long story short, Q gestures is absolutely terrible. I use a third party app for navigation. however, EVERY single app I've ever tried seems to be unable to hide the nav bar due Google's screwery. in fact, even Fullscreen Qgestures magisk module does nothing on Ob1.
Does anyone know a definitive way to hide the stupid annoying navbar?
Google have removed the ability to over-scan the display in Android 11 (which is the trick all 3rd party apps used to hide the nav bar); so at the moment there's simply NO WAY to remove it,
I wouldn't mind the built-in gestures so much if there was the ability to turn off the "mini nav bar" which just shows a hide icon every time you use a keyboard. That's the biggest UI issue in my book, it just looks stupid!
Google needs to reverse it back to the way it was...
no updates on this? too bad google removed wm overscan
stephenjason89 said:
no updates on this? too bad google removed wm overscan
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With magisk you can use module called Fullscreen/Immersive Gestures (Q-R).
Works great, no problems with missing toast notifications etc.
can confirm, that magisk module works perfectly. use your volume keys during install to set the settings. https://github.com/Magisk-Modules-Repo/HideNavBar
Has anyone done this to get fng working on an OP8 Pro with latest Android 11?
EDIT: Just read the github. Doesn't work with Oxygen OS.
stuclark said:
Google have removed the ability to over-scan the display in Android 11 (which is the trick all 3rd party apps used to hide the nav bar); so at the moment there's simply NO WAY to remove it,
I wouldn't mind the built-in gestures so much if there was the ability to turn off the "mini nav bar" which just shows a hide icon every time you use a keyboard. That's the biggest UI issue in my book, it just looks stupid!
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I absolutely loathe that extra button.
But the slider at the bottom of the screen for gestures I've grown to love.
Knocking it left or right switches apps really quickly and I couldn't be without that now.
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can confirm, that magisk module works perfectly. use your volume keys during install to set the settings. https://github.com/Magisk-Modules-Repo/HideNavBar
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The latest version works.
Nice one for this.
Have to keep the OnePlus launcher installed to retain gestures though
Sliding at the bottom still works
with novalauncher you can hide/recover top and bottombar with a swipe: easy to do
henk-jan.b said:
with novalauncher you can hide/recover top and bottombar with a swipe: easy to do
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And on the keyboard??
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And on the keyboard??
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I don't understand what you mean: you can define swipes to hide or to reveal the top and/or bottom bars.
No keyboard necessary.
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I don't understand what you mean: you can define swipes to hide or to reveal the top and/or bottom bars.
No keyboard necessary.
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So on nova yes you can but the keyboard will still have the additional bar underneath it.
Nova can't fix that
Not with me
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Not with me
Now with a screenshot
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Absolutely yes with you mate, what are you talking about lol.
@dliadz: I see what you mean. The space (and not specific the bottom bar) is there. I didn't even notice it because it doesn't bother me.
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@dliadz: I see what you mean. The space (and not specific the bottom bar) is there. I didn't even notice it because it doesn't bother me.
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Haha lol no worries.
Yea now you've noticed it, it'll start to
Personally I hate it, it's really estate I can't use for no reason, it hasn't always existed and I don't like it
Burt Squirtz said:
Long story short, Q gestures is absolutely terrible. I use a third party app for navigation. however, EVERY single app I've ever tried seems to be unable to hide the nav bar due Google's screwery. in fact, even Fullscreen Qgestures magisk module does nothing on Ob1.
Does anyone know a definitive way to hide the stupid annoying navbar?
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Hi,
You can either use fullscreen Gesture magisk module or you can follow this guide below-
How to remove Nav Bar in Android 11
Works perfectly on OP8 Pro with latest Android 11 update. Thanks a lot.
forum.xda-developers.com
In oxygenOS 11 you can hide the bottom space between the keyboard and gesture .... you have that option in your settings under the language and input section.... you can simply search keyboard height adjustment in setting and you'll find it
thank you
Is there a way to auto-hide the nav bar? Ex. On my old phone you could swipe up to show it or tap a dot on the left to stop it from disappearing.
Looks like the only way is to use a different launcher? I tried adding the fullscreen / immersive module but I believe that's just for the keyboard.