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Hey, sorry for the N00b question. I'm a software developer (among other things), but am just now delving into the world of custom ROMs for my EVO 4g. I've been looking at what's available and see a few that say either AOSP or NOT AOSP.
This leads me to a few questions.
1. What is AOSP?
- Is it a separate code base (other than 3.70.651.1 #15) from which to start customizing the code to create a custom ROM?
2. What are the main differences that are generally present between the normal code base and AOSP based?
3. Can you go back to a ROM based on 3.70.651.1 (or another base) if you go AOSP?
4. If it is a custom code base, whas it created from scratch or based on something else?
Thanks for your time in answering this. If I'm way off base on what AOSP is, just let me know. I appreciate your replies!
Simple, it is android without any overlay from different carriers. It is just bone stock android.
Android Open Source Project.
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Disclaimer: I'm not taking anything away from any of the Devs here. I can't do any of the stuff they do with any of the ROMs, so please, don't take the following as such.
Most of the non AOSP roms here are themed versions of the stock rom with performance increasing tweaks and what not. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, but it is what it is.
AOSP roms like Cyanogenmod are built from the source code. They are usually more bleeding edge because when the source is released from Google, they get to working on the update. Cyanogenmod 7 is already on 2.3.3, whereas most sense roms are still on 2.2.1
AOSP is short for Android Open Source Project. It's the source code for Android.
HTC takes the AOSP code and then adds Sense and their other tweaks to it. Basically all ROMs whether they are from HTC, Samsung, or who ever, is based on AOSP. The thing is that some of the OEMs modify the code so much that things start to become incompatible. Plus if you go straight to AOSP right now, the source code is up to Android 2.3.3, no OEM released ROM is up to that version. So that creates even more incompatibilities.
Some custom ROMs use AOSP and implement the code to devices from the ground up. That's what Cyanogen Mod does. MIUI also does this (and adds some heavy modifications to the code as well) but that ROM isn't specifically built for the EVO but is instead ported from the Nexus One ROM.
To keep it simple:
- AOSP is Android at it's most basic form, it's straight from Google and is pretty much what the Nexus devices use as final builds.
- OEM ROMs are based on AOSP but are usually outdated and heavily modified.
- You can go back and forth if you want, but if you do, you should wipe your cache as their are incompatibilities.
Wow, that's great everyone! I completely understand now. I really appreciate all the help and replies!
Could I ask what everyone's favorite AOSP & non-AOSP ROM is? I know this has been asked before, but I'd like the opinions of those that replied to this post, if they don't mind.
I'm looking for "bleeding-edge" technology, wireless tethering, hulu, etc. all the bells and whistles essentially. I don't care so much about how "pretty" it looks, just functionality and cool-gadgety-stuff. Thanks again!!!
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Wow, that's great everyone! I completely understand now. I really appreciate all the help and replies!
Could I ask what everyone's favorite AOSP & non-AOSP ROM is? I know this has been asked before, but I'd like the opinions of those that replied to this post, if they don't mind.
I'm looking for "bleeding-edge" technology, wireless tethering, hulu, etc. all the bells and whistles essentially. I don't care so much about how "pretty" it looks, just functionality and cool-gadgety-stuff. Thanks again!!!
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i would definitely suggest you look at cyanogenmod. it is built straight from source but improved apon in many ways. you can think of cyanogenmod as a crowd sourced rom. meaning anyone can contribute and submit changes to it. it is governed and controlled by the core members of the cyanogenmod team (team douche) but open for anyone to modify. what this gets you is a rom as close to aosp but made better. things like the power bar widget in the notification menu, music controls on the lock screen, quiet hours (notifications are turned down or off as well as dimming leds during set hours so they do not wake if if you say get an email at 5am), etc etc. members of teamwin recently built 4g support from the ground up be themselves and it is now a part of cyanogenmod. besides adding in features they also do a great deal of optimizing creating one of the most streamlined, user friendly fastest roms available.
oh and one part of your question seems unanswered - the 3.70.x.x.x of sense based roms is just the numbering of the rom build from htc for sprint but will always be built off of an older version of android due to the amount of customization done to it.
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As far as AOSP go I like Cyanogen CM7 or MIUI but if I want a sense type rom I typically run Mikfroyo or Fresh.
Thank you all very much, once again! I have so far tried the following ROMs.
- King's Ultra Unleashed R2
- Cyanogen Mod 6.1.2
I'm running Cyanogen Mod right now and it's pretty cool, but the problem is I really like different features of each. I do like how many features are built into the Cyanogen Mod ROM though. I have to say, I LOVE the quiet time feature a LOT! I've wished Android had that for a while now. Oh, and the increased battery life and decreased charge time of both is AWESOME!!! My phone had gotten to the point where it wouldn't even charge in the car. It just kept the battery at the level it was at. Now it will only drop 7% battery over the entire night, unplugged!
I'm contemplating trying the EVO Non-Sense right now. I am just trying many of them to see which I like the best. Thanks for all the advise everyone!
Koni Elite II has some really cool features in it. try them all, it's a lot of fun
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i thought it was the name of an ancient greek writer?
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Thank you all very much, once again! I have so far tried the following ROMs.
- King's Ultra Unleashed R2
- Cyanogen Mod 6.1.2
I'm running Cyanogen Mod right now and it's pretty cool, but the problem is I really like different features of each. I do like how many features are built into the Cyanogen Mod ROM though. I have to say, I LOVE the quiet time feature a LOT! I've wished Android had that for a while now. Oh, and the increased battery life and decreased charge time of both is AWESOME!!! My phone had gotten to the point where it wouldn't even charge in the car. It just kept the battery at the level it was at. Now it will only drop 7% battery over the entire night, unplugged!
I'm contemplating trying the EVO Non-Sense right now. I am just trying many of them to see which I like the best. Thanks for all the advise everyone!
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you can also try cm7, which is gingerbread based. cm6.x.x is froyo based. its in the rc1 stage meaning it is almost finalized. the rc1 does not have 4g but the nightlies do.
rc1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=956187
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=729802
the nightlies are also 2.3.3 which is the newest build. nightlies=bleeding edge. they, as the name implies, as released nightly and contain all the code submitted from that day. sometimes they are broken or even fail to build but such is the life of living on the edge!
Alanman, thanks! I was thinking about trying that one too and... I agree that this is a BLAST! I'm absolutely loving the custom features, software and abilities.
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I was wondering what AOSP meant as well, but thanks I now know and might try some of the suggested ROMs in here So far I had only tried a King ROM (Shooter) with Sense 3.0. I don't mind it, but currently I can't get Swype to behave for me so I was thinking about dropping it and moving onto another.
hi everyone,
As you see the topic its about AOKP team which they have a new version of ICS porting method. First they started moding the devices like Nexus-S and Galaxy nexus. After succeding they came up with other new devices and ported ICS base rom to other devices such as HTC, Xoom,Galaxy Tab.Today i talked to Roman the Dev guy from this team about our beloved TF.Unfortunately he said they wont port this rom to TF. I just started this thread to ask this team for porting this rom. I think if they see our requests they might put their efforts to make it work on our devices. Im currently using build 23 of this rom on my Nexus-s.it comes with lots og built in features.
here is the link for the website.Head over it might be interesting for you.
http://aokp.co
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You said yourself they already said no. Respect their decision and leave them alone; if you don't like the decision you can port it yourself.
From their point of view, I can see why they said no. We will--eventually, one day--get an update from Asus themselves, which will satisfy 99% of users. The remaining 1% will get mods based on the Asus stock roms, just like they do now. There's also already a partially completed port underway by somebody else.
Why would they waste their resources on the TF101 when there are plenty of other devices that have no ICS port, and no chance of getting one from their manufacturer, which they could work on?
Actually, the correct guy to ask for a port is this guy @ProTekkFZS . He recently went on a spree porting aokp to many devices. Roman only port to devices that he is currently using which are gal nexus, nexus s and gal tab.
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if they dont want to port it got to respect that decision but if they would i would be sooooo happy a really great rom would use it
roman recieved a htc sensation from rootzwiki and he hasnt even ported it there yet so i wouldnt hold my breath dude... although it would be epic...
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there is a plan for cm this is nothing compared to that and then there will be miui
pashinator said:
there is a plan for cm this is nothing compared to that and then there will be miui
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1, MIUI won't come to tablets until Xiaomi makes a tablet UI version
2, CM is nowhere yet for the TF
3, Currently AOKP provides more control and access to things than CM. It was stated Cyanogen by himself that CM9 will NOT contain the old CMParts style settings, but rather have them in their respective submenus. AOKP goes on the CM7 way, having a separate app what can switch controls on-off. I'm already using it on my phone (ZTE Blade), and it's currently more stable than CM or even an AOSP build.
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1, MIUI won't come to tablets until Xiaomi makes a tablet UI version
2, CM is nowhere yet for the TF
3, Currently AOKP provides more control and access to things than CM. It was stated Cyanogen by himself that CM9 will NOT contain the old CMParts style settings, but rather have them in their respective submenus. AOKP goes on the CM7 way, having a separate app what can switch controls on-off. I'm already using it on my phone (ZTE Blade), and it's currently more stable than CM or even an AOSP build.
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1, Miui for tablets could become a reality without Xiaomi since they decided recently to change their code in Open source...so maybe one day
2, not yet, sure, even if CM has already talked about TF cm9 to come
3, here i think it really depends on the phone : with my Nexus S, aokp is pretty stable and smooth, but not as some other aosp (Pete Alfonso's) or CM (fitsnugly's kangs) for example.
Let's first get next Paul's builds, Asus's release then, and CM9 eventually.....at this point we all should be Fulfilled.
kptnk said:
1, Miui for tablets could become a reality without Xiaomi since they decided recently to change their code in Open source...so maybe one day
2, not yet, sure, even if CM has already talked about TF cm9 to come
3, here i think it really depends on the phone : with my Nexus S, aokp is pretty stable and smooth, but not as some other aosp (Pete Alfonso's) or CM (fitsnugly's kangs) for example.
Let's first get next Paul's builds, Asus's release then, and CM9 eventually.....at this point we all should be Fulfilled.
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1. First of all, they haven't gone totally open source yet. And to include a tablet overlay, that would be a huge work. Not just graphics, but compatibility, screen issues, alignments, and such.
2. There will be a CM9 build, but only after CM9 is stable enough, and Asus released theirs so Bumble-Bee, RaYmAn, Roach, and the others can make a working one. So no CM9 for now
3. Yes it depends on that too, but show me any point of CM9 having more feature than AOKP. AOKP derives directly from CM9 sources, with the additional apps and features, plus fixes. So I consider it more mature.
Paul already published his sources for the TF, so we could easily grab his tree, change some stuff for AOKP, and make a build. I don't have quite the PC for such building processes, it would take days, and my electricity bill is already over the limit - so I can't do it definitely. But if there's someone else willing, everything can be made
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1. First of all, they haven't gone totally open source yet. And to include a tablet overlay, that would be a huge work. Not just graphics, but compatibility, screen issues, alignments, and such.
2. There will be a CM9 build, but only after CM9 is stable enough, and Asus released theirs so Bumble-Bee, RaYmAn, Roach, and the others can make a working one. So no CM9 for now
3. Yes it depends on that too, but show me any point of CM9 having more feature than AOKP. AOKP derives directly from CM9 sources, with the additional apps and features, plus fixes. So I consider it more mature.
Paul already published his sources for the TF, so we could easily grab his tree, change some stuff for AOKP, and make a build. I don't have quite the PC for such building processes, it would take days, and my electricity bill is already over the limit - so I can't do it definitely. But if there's someone else willing, everything can be made
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1 & 2, i agree, that's sure.
3, aokp has indeed for now more features than cm9 and kept cm7 idea with nominated menu, which is more than rich of full customization possibilities. My point was in fact on the stability, efficiency and smoothness : there are, for nexus s at least, aosp roms and some cm9 builds which are better than aokp. So not in terms of "quantity" but of a certain idea of quality. Certain idea, because it is of course a question of point of view. That said, i love Roman's work.
I wish i could build on Paul's and Roman's sources for our beloved TF, but even if my electricity bill could eventuelly bear it (for a time), i have neither the pc, nor the knowledge to do so, which is worse .....here's just a very greatful and curious user....
so im running decks ics pb21 with sparksco's kernel and its the best so far i just have a thought what if s0omeone took the stock ics for the evo design striped out sense and merged it with parts from our current cm9 or miui roms sorry i am not a dev have no idea if it would work at all just a thought sorry if im wrong or if this is crazy its just a thought
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so im running decks ics pb21 with sparksco's kernel and its the best so far i just have a thought what if s0omeone took the stock ics for the evo design striped out sense and merged it with parts from our current cm9 or miui roms sorry i am not a dev have no idea if it would work at all just a thought sorry if im wrong or if this is crazy its just a thought
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I don't know much, but it's a lot harder than just mashing stuff together.. Especially with ICS from what I have read. I'm sure if it was that easy it would have been done by now.
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One thing you will learn about Sense and AOSP is that they are completely independent of each other, and you can't take one of them and change it to other. The technical details as to why are along the lines of with a Sense ROM, all that Sense stuff and functionality is built into its frameworks and can't just be "removed". Similarly, it can't just be added to an AOSP ROM. It's an unfortunate truth
I just got my phone couple of days ago, and today had the time to root it. Which is the most popular ROM for this device ?Is it worth to flash a custom ROM ?I mean for someone who needs a stable build ?Can you recommend something ?
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Cm10.1
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i might be wrong, but is there a stable version of cm10.1 ?
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i might be wrong, but is there a stable version of cm10.1 ?
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As of now, no there is not.
CM 10 is generally the most popular ROM. But when you're here, paranoidandroid is the most popular ROM.
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As of now, no there is not.
CM 10 is generally the most popular ROM. But while you're here, paranoidandroid is the most popular ROM.
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CyanogenMod is always going to be the most stable custom ROM as long as you use the stable releases, simply because it's the most actively attended to and tested one. MIUI, Paranoid Android and Slim Bean come next and have their own perks, but they're just not on the same level.
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CyanogenMod is always going to be the most stable custom ROM as long as you use the stable releases, simply because it's the most actively attended to and tested one. MIUI, Paranoid Android and Slim Bean come next and have their own perks, but they're just not on the same level.
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ok, since there is no stable version of CM10, and I am not so into paranoidandroid, I guess the stock ROM is my only choice...Any custom kernel which works better with the stock ROM ?Without overclocking...I have 1800+ benchmark points in Antutu...Do you recommend smthing else ?
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ok, since there is no stable version of CM10, and I am not so into paranoidandroid, I guess the stock ROM is my only choice...Any custom kernel which works better with the stock ROM ?Without overclocking...I have 1800+ benchmark points in Antutu...Do you recommend smthing else ?
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come on my friend...don't hesitate... you got yourself a nexus 4..! it is made for fhashing such things as roms,kernels etc...! try the latest nightly of cm10.1 and i promise you that you will hardly find any bug..! and remember its android..you are absolutely free...!
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come on my friend...don't hesitate... you got yourself a nexus 4..! it is made for fhashing such things as roms,kernels etc...! try the latest nightly of cm10.1 and i promise you that you will hardly find any bug..! and remember its android..you are absolutely free...!
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well, ok, i will flash it right now the flashing season is starting again ))
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well, ok, i will flash it right now the flashing season is starting again ))
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there you go...! here is my suggestion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2098655
try this rom...
Mr_Comple said:
there you go...! here is my suggestion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2098655
try this rom...
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thanks, downloading and flashing !Feedback asap
Glaux said:
CyanogenMod is always going to be the most stable custom ROM as long as you use the stable releases, simply because it's the most actively attended to and tested one. MIUI, Paranoid Android and Slim Bean come next and have their own perks, but they're just not on the same level.
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not really,
other roms base on the most stable rom in existance, google android, aosp. cm must take this base and make it possible for old, incompatible devices to get their share. thats only possible by extending the living heck out of it. some of it is overlaid, some is not. errors come in naturally, that just happens when you leave the safe path of aosp, hundreds of commits going through gerrit stemming from all kinds of sources. dont get me wrong, cm is an amazing project. but it cant provide the same stability that aosp based roms provide, the same speed and level of customization.
as a developer i can tell you that the software i get from google is flawless, they support me with functioning drivers and blobs, documentation and guidelines. i can literally forget about everything else and go wild, extend and create new stuff that wasnt there before. i will never run into the myriads of problems the cm team is uncovering in their crusade of introducing android to legacy devices - and that in my opinion is their true power.
pps- i see you included MIUI as well. think again. guess which is the worlds biggest rom with millions and millions of users. miui. guess whos the only rom that has on ounce of design credibility. miui. they have done things in their freetime that rival professional products and you can be sure a matias duarte will not go to xda when he's out of ideas, he's taking note when miui drops a release instead. i think you are greatly underestimating them.
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not really,
other roms use aosp, that means they base on the most stable rom in existance, google android. cm must take this base and make it possible for old devices to get their share. thats only possible by extending the living heck out of it. some of it is overlaid, some is not. as long as i was basing on cm there were errors, day after day after day. at some point i became so upset with it that i abandoned the base. if you take a look in their thread you see what i mean. last week it was gps, todays week you cant use the camera, tomorrow its something else. its not their fault, that just happens when hundreds of commits go through their gerrit - you cant possibly evaluate it, thats why release candidates usually arrive when the android version is already outdated.
dont get me wrong, cm is an amazing project. but the reason it traditionally takes a backseat on nexus plattforms is that it cant provide the same stability that aosp based roms provide. it cant provide the same speed and it cant provide the same level of customization. on all other plattforms cm is the unrivaled king, that is true.
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so, which in your opinion is the one to replace stock rom ?
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so, which in your opinion is the one to replace stock rom ?
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Hi,
PARANOIDANDROID
Just kidding... , that said this is a great rom and very very very popular (as your thread title suggests)...
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so, which in your opinion is the one to replace stock rom ?
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thats up to you. try rasbeanjelly, aokp, carbon, liquid, xylon, minco, whatever you want. try cm. they all are unique in one way or another. im not commenting on what you should flash, you'll see what suits you best. i am commenting on the assumption that cm is stable and everything else is less stable which is complete and utter bullsh1t. :laugh:
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PARANOIDANDROID
Just kidding... , that said this is a great rom and very very very popular (as your thread title suggests)...
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lol, took me a while to see it
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so, which in your opinion is the one to replace stock rom ?
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paranoid android, just put all the apps back in phone mode and its basically a stock rom with added speed and a few more customizations. plus i like the kernel colors and the custom app colors, very well done
xylon is also great but not personally my favorite, has many customizations and is much like aokp with its own feel
Codefire-X is also one of the most stable and speedy roms out, it and PA are probably my favorite roms right now, and i feel bad its often overlooked, its like aokp with a more stockish feel but faster and stabler at this point
theres also Carbon rom which is made by a few the awesome liquid rom developers, havent tried yet but looks good
Saber Mod looks cool too with its linaro optimizations but as with carbon i havent had time to try it out
there are also some interesting roms like PAC and Rootbox, but those dont really sound like they would appeal to you as much
also keep in mind i mostly prefer the roms in original android development because of the general cleaner feel, but many of the roms in normal android development are also good if you want a bit of a different feel or special tweaks
but whatever you choose, just dont stay on stock you wont regret going with any of these roms over stock
I'm using MMuzzy rom now for some days and is realy good. Is aosp with some optional features i miss in stock rom. I combine it with Trinity four kernel and for now no problems with that combination.
Never like CM or aokp...to much features and never work without problems.
On the road with my Nexus S...
Pa
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paranoid android, just put all the apps back in phone mode and its basically a stock rom with added speed and a few more customizations. plus i like the kernel colors and the custom app colors, very well done
xylon is also great but not personally my favorite, has many customizations and is much like aokp with its own feel
Codefire-X is also one of the most stable and speedy roms out, it and PA are probably my favorite roms right now, and i feel bad its often overlooked, its like aokp with a more stockish feel but faster and stabler at this point
theres also Carbon rom which is made by a few the awesome liquid rom developers, havent tried yet but looks good
Saber Mod looks cool too with its linaro optimizations but as with carbon i havent had time to try it out
there are also some interesting roms like PAC and Rootbox, but those dont really sound like they would appeal to you as much
also keep in mind i mostly prefer the roms in original android development because of the general cleaner feel, but many of the roms in normal android development are also good if you want a bit of a different feel or special tweaks
but whatever you choose, just dont stay on stock you wont regret going with any of these roms over stock
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thanks a lot for the review...i've tried the PA ROM and it just ain't my thang....I will try some other releases
rasbean jelly, fast and stable.
Hey guys. Do you think its about time we incorperated features like multi window and mabey even screen resizing into AOSP such as cyanogen? I know AOSP is built on pure android but would such features really weigh down the vanilla experience we seek in cyanogen. Just a question. I love cm12 however i always revert back to TW 5.0 only because of the availability of such features. And with xposed disabled for 5.0 users it seems we are a bit limited. Would an AOSP team ever consider adding such features or is something like that against what cyanogen stands for? Is it even possible to add those things to the build of cm? Its just me pondering and hoping some day we will see these conviences in CM. I would like to hear from our XDA community and see if you feel it is something good, bad, or your indifferent too. I did actually post this question in temaseks CM12 section but then thought to hear the voice of XDA. So please take a moment and let us know your thoughts.
That's why I'm on stock. CM just doesn't use all the bells and whistles of this phone!
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That's why I'm on stock. CM just doesn't use all the bells and whistles of this phone!
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I am kind of forced into a stock-like situation. Only because the newer 5.0 based n3 are mostly stock. But with the ability to clean and debloat they run a bit better. However i love aosp based roms. So i do bounce around. I would love to see temaseks cm12 use afew of the convient features of tw.
All the TW features are worth it except S named ones, you know, Smart this, Smart that, I have never used a single one of them, ever.