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It's a lot easier to access and far more convenient. Easier to control. I can sketch and draw far better. I can write across whatever with ease. It turns into an eraser at the touch of a button and I can work in all the colors, line variations and settings available for the stylus. I can take screen shots by hitting power and home buttons at the same time. If I need text I type. My handwriting with the stylus is difficult to read and takes up far too much space. So, finger it is.
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It's a lot easier to access and far more convenient. Easier to control. I can sketch and draw far better. I can write across whatever with ease. It turns into an eraser at the touch of a button and I can work in all the colors, line variations and settings available for the stylus. I can take screen shots by hitting power and home buttons at the same time. If I need text I type. My handwriting with the stylus is difficult to read and takes up far too much space. So, finger it is.
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I understand the s-pen on the Note does not have to be used as it will work well with fingers. But I'm surprised that you can draw and write better with your finger than the s-pen.
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I understand the s-pen on the Note does not have to be used as it will work well with fingers. But I'm surprised that you can draw and write better with your finger than the s-pen.
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I was surprised as well. Especially the drawing and sketching. It's like using a piece of charcoal.
What about 'Pressure Sensitivity', does it work with the finger?
It is supposed to work with the Pen but I'm a little skeptical that works correctly even though the screen has wacom tech underneath.
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What about 'Pressure Sensitivity', does it work with the finger?
It is supposed to work with the Pen but I'm a little skeptical that works correctly even though the screen has wacom tech underneath.
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Pressure sensitivity does not work with your fingers. It acts as if you are pressing very lightly with your stylus. Pressure sensitivity works just fine with the stylus but the slight lag (maybe .1 second) makes drawing lightly tricky.
(post edit) : i was wrong. I was touching nearly light enough.
Frank
Beards said:
What about 'Pressure Sensitivity', does it work with the finger?
It is supposed to work with the Pen but I'm a little skeptical that works correctly even though the screen has wacom tech underneath.
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Pressure sensitivity works with your finger. It is like using a piece of charcoal to draw. You can make light or dark lines as well as shade areas.
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Pressure sensitivity does not work with your fingers. It acts as if you are pressing very lightly with your stylus. Pressure sensitivity works just fine with the stylus but the slight lag (maybe .1 second) makes drawing lightly tricky.
(post edit) : i was wrong. I was touching nearly light enough.
Frank
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Pressure sensitivity works with your finger. It is like using a piece of charcoal to draw. You can make light or dark lines as well as shade areas.
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Thanks Guys,
Interesting though as we have conflicting answers here.... It must be down to the application being used.
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Thanks Guys,
Interesting though as we have conflicting answers here.... It must be down to the application being used.
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Let me reclarify my vague edit - the screen is pressure sensitive with your finger. But the screen is very sensitive and to register a 'light' touch you barely touch it at all. I could touch the tip of a needle with more force.
- Frank
ChodTheWacko said:
Let me reclarify my vague edit - the screen is pressure sensitive with your finger. But the screen is very sensitive and to register a 'light' touch you barely touch it at all. I could touch the tip of a needle with more force.
- Frank
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Thanks for clearing that up Frank.
Hi guys. I'd like to know if there is any way to calibrate the S-Pen, somethink like in the old Windows Mobile days with that little cross which you had to tap to calibrate your screen to the stylus. It's off by a few pixels on my note, which makes it annoying.
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My GN too is off by a few pixel and is kinda annoying specially for some precision drawing.
It's supposed to be off, that's why you set it for left and right handed so you can see what your doing.
All you need to do is get used to it.
yeah that how they design . like set the right hand then it will off a bit on the left . if setting using left hand then it will off to the right side a bit. but its only on s memo ? seem to be spot on in browsing web.
I just did a little discovery. When I touch the screen either with one finger of my other hand or with part of the hand which holds the pen TOGETHER with S Pen, the accuracy is much better then by touching the screen solely by S Pen. Tested with default stylus and some OEM Lifebook tablet PC stylus. Both behave better when I rest my palm on screen while drawing/writting.
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I just did a little discovery. When I touch the screen either with one finger of my other hand or with part of the hand which holds the pen TOGETHER with S Pen, the accuracy is much better then by touching the screen solely by S Pen. Tested with default stylus and some OEM Lifebook tablet PC stylus. Both behave better when I rest my palm on screen while drawing/writting.
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Are you sure you aren't just holding the pen at a slightly different angle when doing that? The way you hold the pen makes quite a big difference to the accuracy in my experience.
I think that the precision of the pen is perfect.
I think it's wrong yours handle
not using the pen perpendicular ...
try to held the s-pen as a real pen (inclined) and you'll find it very precise.
you must use it as you use one pen with a sheet of paper
I don't think you write with the pen perpendicular the book...
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Are you sure you aren't just holding the pen at a slightly different angle when doing that? The way you hold the pen makes quite a big difference to the accuracy in my experience.
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The angle definitely impacts the precision. As written above the usual 'paper and pen' holding is the best and also the upward pen button orientation helps. But somehow I get even more precise results when touching the screen.
I just get a my replacement of galaxy note from the shop due to the screeen problem in my last phone.
I am quite frustrated because I found that my s pen really needs calibration. My last galaxy note, although the screen had problem, it didn't have any calibration problem that the s pen is so accurate. So unhappy
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It's supposed to be off, that's why you set it for left and right handed so you can see what your doing.
All you need to do is get used to it.
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It should get used to me, not the other way round.
I'm left-handed, and many left handers have different ways of holding pens due to smudge-avoidance habits. Setting the phone to "left handed" may suit some lefties, but not me.
What's so difficult about allowing personal calibration, Samsung?
I've found my pen is inaccurate too, unless you're holding it and using it like a pen and not a stylus... If that makes sense?
If you use it like a traditional stylus on resistive touch screen and expect the point of the stylus to be exactly where it hits the screen regardless of pen angle then it'll always appear to be very inaccurate. But if you treat it more like a normal pen and hold it at a normal handwriting angle and except the mark to appear where the tip of the pencil would be in that position its just fine.
Change your mindset: This is a standard pencil, not a stylus. Once you treat it like a normal pencil/pen and use it like you normally do handwriting instead of as a stylus poking at the screen you'll find its very good.
mine also a bit off its upper then the actual touch point.
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mine also a bit off its upper then the actual touch point.
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Mine too. I really think this was a deliberate move by Samsung. More like a pencil/pen than a stylus.
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Mine too. I really think this was a deliberate move by Samsung. More like a pencil/pen than a stylus.
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This. It's supposed to be this way, to make writing more natural. Not a flaw, but I do wish there was an option to disable it. Maybe a mod in the future will enable us to.
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It should get used to me, not the other way round.
I'm left-handed, and many left handers have different ways of holding pens due to smudge-avoidance habits. Setting the phone to "left handed" may suit some lefties, but not me.
What's so difficult about allowing personal calibration, Samsung?
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Fully agreed - we should be able to calibrate it. and it should definitely get used to us and not the other way around!!!!
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kebong said:
This. It's supposed to be this way, to make writing more natural. Not a flaw, but I do wish there was an option to disable it. Maybe a mod in the future will enable us to.
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It seems like a flaw to me. When I use it towards the center of the screen it seems OK, as I get closer to the edges it drifts off center. It certainly looks like a calibration bug to me.
same issue, need to hold it like a pen
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19491160
Check out this thread
I posted a rather long thing about the accuracy issue.
Basically, there's a set offset based on left/right handedness, which will change depending on the orientation of the screen. If the angle at which you write moves outside of what Samsung deems "normal" then it becomes horribly inaccurate.
Everyone is trying to stick up for and justify this pen problem...if this is the case, how come other drawing programs on the note aren't nearly as bad?
i was looking on one device on the bestbuy store and when i was
deflecting the device i could notice the a matrix of spots/dots on screen
that never disappear only if i hold the device in some angle it would be not noticeable...
so i wanted to ask:
1. Am I the only one that saw that?!
2. if i will put a protect cover on screen it will make this dots/spots not seen?
Perfectly normal. The glass is supposed to be Gorilla, so I wouldn't even bother with a protector.
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why is that normal ?
i haven't saw that on a PlayBook or a iPad or a Samsubg tab...
so why is this normal ?!
That's the grid for the capacitive touch sensor. On some devices it's more visible than others. I guess Amazon is using one of the more visible ones on the Fire.
Since this is bothering me very much, do you think if i would apply over it a protector it would be non-visible ?
Eh I can't see it on mine at all. Maybe It's just the display.
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Since this is bothering me very much, do you think if i would apply over it a protector it would be non-visible ?
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I doubt it, but you can try. FWIW, I can see the dots, but they only appear at an angle with certain glare on the screen. Doesn't bother me.
It's normal. You most likely noticed it due to light reflecting on it at a certain angle. My ipad had those, and my touchpad has them. I don't notice it unless the screen is off and its held at an off angle with a good amount of light reflecting off the surface. You don't notice it while it's on.
This was VERY visible on my Nexus One, but isn't on my Sensation. It's back on the Kindle, but you only notice it when.the screen is off. It depends on the display, and I think the more reflective the screen, the less you see.
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It has both dots and also a grid matrix. You can see it on every one, just have to turn the unit *just so* to see it.
My understanding from a post on Amazon about the device is that its not a capacitve or resistive touch screen but an infrared touch screen.
Confirmed myself that it is not capacitive as you can touch it with anything and it responds, where my iphone and Captivate do not.
Food for thought. Has anyone else heard of an IR touchscreen before?
Ive always been able to see the dots on every touch device I've owned. Just requires the right angle and light.
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My understanding from a post on Amazon about the device is that its not a capacitve or resistive touch screen but an infrared touch screen.
Confirmed myself that it is not capacitive as you can touch it with anything and it responds, where my iphone and Captivate do not.
Food for thought. Has anyone else heard of an IR touchscreen before?
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Yeah, they're just rarely used, because the technology has only been reasonably cheap/simple for a few years (iirc), whereas capacitative and resistant touchscreens have been around for much, much longer.
Also, touching the screen with a pen lid doesn't do anything for me. You sure it works with *anything*? I got it to work with a piece of moleskin, though, so... maybe it's just certain things?
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Yeah, they're just rarely used, because the technology has only been reasonably cheap/simple for a few years (iirc), whereas capacitative and resistant touchscreens have been around for much, much longer.
Also, touching the screen with a pen lid doesn't do anything for me. You sure it works with *anything*? I got it to work with a piece of moleskin, though, so... maybe it's just certain things?
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Was just able to unlock using a paper napkin folded three times to make sure it wasn't skin touching anywhere. Tried with my leather wallet and it didn't react. Very strange. Also tried a microfiber cleaning cloth, didn't react on my iphone or captivate but worked on my fire. Wheird.
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My understanding from a post on Amazon about the device is that its not a capacitve or resistive touch screen but an infrared touch screen.
Confirmed myself that it is not capacitive as you can touch it with anything and it responds, where my iphone and Captivate do not.
Food for thought. Has anyone else heard of an IR touchscreen before?
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The Kindle with the IR touch screen is the Kindle Touch, which uses the IR touch screen because capacitive touch screens aren't available for the E-Ink screen yet. IR touch screens work by shooting IR lasers across the screen in a grid format, so a touch would trip IR lasers, and which lasers are tripped can be used to calculate where the touch is in. That's what they use on the Nook Simple Touch, too. I remember my old car built-in GPS was an IR touch screen. You could trick it by blocking the IR receivers.
Nowadays, most LED touch screens are capacitive, which is what's on the Kindle Fire (the reason why there's dots on the screen - I think they're the sensors that measure the capacitance to calculate the location of the touch).
The quality of pen input on my Note 10.1 seems very poor compared to Lenovo's Thinkpad android tablet. Here are some screenshots from Quill and Papyrus for comparison:
https://plus.google.com/photos/118035123044388609537/albums/5778924744771043441
These screenshots are zoomed in about 5x from the size at which the text was written to make the difference obvious.
Has anyone else observed this? Could I just have a defective unit? The final picture in the album shows the result of using the S-Pen from my Galaxy Note 10.1 on a Tablet PC running Windows (Thinkpad X61 tablet - also a Wacom digitizer), so I don't think there's anything wrong with the pen.
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The quality of pen input on my Note 10.1 seems very poor compared to Lenovo's Thinkpad android tablet. Here are some screenshots from Quill and Papyrus for comparison:
https://plus.google.com/photos/118035123044388609537/albums/5778924744771043441
Has anyone else observed this? Could I just have a defective unit? The final picture in the album shows the result of using the S-Pen from my Galaxy Note 10.1 on a Tablet PC running Windows (Thinkpad X61 tablet - also a Wacom digitizer), so I don't think there's anything wrong with the pen.
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I've seen that happen very occasionally in Lecture Notes... It's not as pronounced as yours, but it's the same thing.
Would be interested to see how many others are seeing the same thing.
That has never happened to me so far.
I have never used Lecture notes, so I cant comment on that, but pen - input has been working great for me in S Note.
This is not good news. I use Lecture Notes - it is my go-to app for notes. I'm getting mine tomorrow so I'll be testing and will report back.
The effect seems less noticeable in LectureNotes and S-Note under normal use because the minimum stroke width is relatively wide and, since both these save strokes as bitmaps instead of vector graphics, zooming in blurs everything. However, if I zoom out to 30% in LectureNotes, write, then zoom in, I see the same jaggedness.
Lecture Notes allows the user to set the pencil to any width, color or softness, softness adding an antialiasing effect.
If you set your pencils correctly there should be no jaggeness at all. Screen text on my Note looks fantastic in Lecture Notes, I actually prefer the realistic looking print to the S Note app. I mean, zoom in close on an image of actual pen or pencil on paper. The edges are not smooth at all.
I mean it's a note taking app. Why would you care that one looks slightly better than another at 5x magnification?
** I just looked at your images. Yeah you are doing the pencils wrong. Why would you want to write in super fine point anyway?
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FWIW I tried writing in a few apps (S Note, Writepad, and Papyrus) and I don't get any jagged lines. Will upload a screenshot later when I get a chance. This scared me for a second.
Edit: Here's a page of text from Papyrus: http://minus.com/lFGDz8vQlZUv3
As you can see, no jaggies like in your picture. Have you made sure that all battery saving options are off? That could cause some lag in the input capture.
Actually, if I zoom in the PDF you posted, I can see the same jaggedness, so the problem isn't my device. I guess I'm just too fussy
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These screenshots are zoomed in about 5x from the size at which the text was written to make the difference obvious.
Has anyone else observed this? Could I just have a defective unit? The final picture in the album shows the result of using the S-Pen from my Galaxy Note 10.1 on a Tablet PC running Windows (Thinkpad X61 tablet - also a Wacom digitizer), so I don't think there's anything wrong with the pen.
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Hi PBSurf, you have mentioned using the S pen on Windows Tablet PC wacom digitizer. Can you confirm if the reverse is true? That is to say, does your X61 pen work on the GNote. Coz that would be great! Especially with the felt tipped pens provided by Lenovo. Cheers!
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Hi PBSurf, you have mentioned using the S pen on Windows Tablet PC wacom digitizer. Can you confirm if the reverse is true? That is to say, does your X61 pen work on the GNote. Coz that would be great! Especially with the felt tipped pens provided by Lenovo. Cheers!
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I can confirm it works on our notes as I have the same tablet, the added benefit is that you can use the eraser function of the x61t too.
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I can confirm it works on our notes as I have the same tablet, the added benefit is that you can use the eraser function of the x61t too.
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Sweet! Now.. The long wait till the GNote arrives here in Australia
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Hi PBSurf, you have mentioned using the S pen on Windows Tablet PC wacom digitizer. Can you confirm if the reverse is true? That is to say, does your X61 pen work on the GNote. Coz that would be great! Especially with the felt tipped pens provided by Lenovo. Cheers!
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Yes, my X61T pen works on the Note 10.1. The eraser works in my application: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.styluslabs.write and probably some others (haven't checked). Unfortunately, the pen button does not work since Samsung reserves it for system-wide gestures (like double tap to bring up S-Note).
Samsung also offers an optional pen with an eraser for the Note.
http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop...100200500150_BNY6142P.shtml&order_id=!ORDERID!
http://www.gearzap.com/official-samsung-s-pen-with-eraser-for-galaxy-note-10-1.html
I've got jaggies in Papyrus, and I imagine it's similar in Quill.
I think it has something to do with the vectorization of my strokes. If you zoom in and draw some curves, it's smooth until you take your pen off the surface, and then it goes jagged as the line is converted to points. I also think the pressure sensitivity is too high, so a bunch of fine lines at the end of letters appear when I don't actually want them.
I *think* the jaggedness is not a hardware issue... though the difference with the TPT and Note 10.1 is a little disconcerting. Maybe the TPT has a lower resolution digitizer so things are artificially straighter since there's a larger margin of error?
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I've got jaggies in Papyrus, and I imagine it's similar in Quill.
I think it has something to do with the vectorization of my strokes. If you zoom in and draw some curves, it's smooth until you take your pen off the surface, and then it goes jagged as the line is converted to points. I also think the pressure sensitivity is too high, so a bunch of fine lines at the end of letters appear when I don't actually want them.
I *think* the jaggedness is not a hardware issue... though the difference with the TPT and Note 10.1 is a little disconcerting. Maybe the TPT has a lower resolution digitizer so things are artificially straighter since there's a larger margin of error?
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Interesting ... you could see what happens in my writing application (see my previous post), since it does not smooth or otherwise alter the pen input, so nothing will change when the pen is lifted.
Since the s-pen (like any wacom pen) actually uses a pressure sensor between the tip and the pen body to determine when it's touching the screen, I did the following experiment: I put a piece of scotch tape over the tip of the s-pen tightly so that the tip was depressed and held in place. The pen of course then writes whenever it is in proximity to screen. In this experiment, I saw no jaggedness! I'm not sure what the implication of this is - maybe the problem is that the tip is too loose relative to the body. As I was packing up my Note 10.1 to return it, I noticed there were a bunch of replacement tips included, some of different types. Maybe trying a different type of tip might make a difference?
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Interesting ... you could see what happens in my writing application (see my previous post), since it does not smooth or otherwise alter the pen input, so nothing will change when the pen is lifted.
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Ooh, I missed the link to your app! I like it! Took me a while to figure out all the options but it seems like a really nice S-note alternative. I also like that it doesn't seem to have pressure sensitivity, or at least not as extreme as Papyrus. It makes my writing look nicer overall. Here's a test: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4504287/test.html
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Since the s-pen (like any wacom pen) actually uses a pressure sensor between the tip and the pen body to determine when it's touching the screen, I did the following experiment: I put a piece of scotch tape over the tip of the s-pen tightly so that the tip was depressed and held in place. The pen of course then writes whenever it is in proximity to screen. In this experiment, I saw no jaggedness! I'm not sure what the implication of this is - maybe the problem is that the tip is too loose relative to the body. As I was packing up my Note 10.1 to return it, I noticed there were a bunch of replacement tips included, some of different types. Maybe trying a different type of tip might make a difference?
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I think the pen is just over-sensitive. When I write quickly with big long strokes, there's no jaggedness at all. When I reach the end of the stroke and thus slow down, it starts to jitter. Are you returning it because of this problem? That's sad
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Ooh, I missed the link to your app! I like it! Took me a while to figure out all the options but it seems like a really nice S-note alternative. I also like that it doesn't seem to have pressure sensitivity, or at least not as extreme as Papyrus. It makes my writing look nicer overall. Here's a test: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4504287/test.html
I think the pen is just over-sensitive. When I write quickly with big long strokes, there's no jaggedness at all. When I reach the end of the stroke and thus slow down, it starts to jitter. Are you returning it because of this problem? That's sad
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My main reasons for returning the Note 10.1 were the jagged writing, the inability to use the pen button in applications (since it's reserved for system-wide gestures) and TouchWiz (this was my first encounter with TouchWiz). I'll stick with my Thinkpad Android tablet for now, but I'm really looking forward to the Microsoft Surface Pro.
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My main reasons for returning the Note 10.1 were the jagged writing, the inability to use the pen button in applications (since it's reserved for system-wide gestures) and TouchWiz (this was my first encounter with TouchWiz). I'll stick with my Thinkpad Android tablet for now, but I'm really looking forward to the Microsoft Surface Pro.
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Really? You went back to the TPT? Pen button support will come, and the jagged writing will likely get fixed... Not to mention we're actually getting JB soon...
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Really? You went back to the TPT? Pen button support will come, and the jagged writing will likely get fixed... Not to mention we're actually getting JB soon...
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Jagged writing? Maybe if you use the ink pen on its thinnest setting. Other than that the antialiasing on the pen is outstanding. The pen writing on my Note is butter smooth.
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don't have that problem
and now i always use the pen on the original note 5.3,it works great,too
Is there a way to alter the way that the fingerprint scanner on the note 4 reads your finger? Currently it's a swipe ... is there a chance that it could be altered to just touch? Similar to to the iPhones Touch I'D?
Thanks.
That may prove to be difficulty. The iPhone uses an optical scanner. Meaning it basically takes a "picture" of your fingerprint. Whereas the GN4 uses a capacitive scanner. Meaning it uses an electrostatic field to actually measure the distances between the ridges and valleys of your fingerprints, and compiles a map of your print. Capacitive scanners usually require a "real" finger.
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