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First things first: I generally like my HD2 - It's fast, has a nice display and a lot of other nice features but the touch screen outright sucks and is bordering on useless. Of course the iphone screen isn't much better but it still beats the HD2 screen hands down.
What's all the fuss about capacitive screens? All I can see is a loss in functionality. I hear their more durable but who cares whether the screen lasts 3 years or 10???? It's nowhere near as precise as any other touch screen device I ever owned. I can't use a stylus for drawing small things or playing most games....try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk...or Warfare Incorporated.
I installed a sensitivity fix cab and it's somewhat usable for day to day stuff but still.....the 4.3" screen is nowhere near as usable as the 3" my X1 had and I could operate that with my finger only quite all right.
Seems like there nothing in capacitive screens other than being iphone-like. Why not have a 4.3" resistive screen? What's the actual downside?
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try playing crayon physics
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I am and it works just fine for me
There are styluses (styli?) available for cap. screens also though.
The advantige of capacitive touch screens:
Glass can be used. Less vulnerable.
multi touch can be implemented.
more touch sensetive.
The advantige of resistive touch screens:
more accurate without software.
simple styles can be used.
cheap.
greatings,
marc
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I can't use a stylus for drawing small things or playing most games....try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk...or Warfare Incorporated.
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Get ready to be flamed for your attitude. Coming onto a forum for fans of a device and calling it an "absolute piece of junk" is a pretty good way to not make friends!
Anyway, I finished Crayon Physics the other day, and had no problems doing so with my fingers. I suggest that the hardware isn't the problem here. Everyone else seems to manage fine.
I'd say the biggest downside of capacitive screens is the absence of multitouch capabilities. I have absolutely no problems operating my phone with it's capacitive screen. So to speak, Windows Mobile 6.x.x isn't really optimized for it anyways, as the HD2 was the first phone with capacitive screen on the platform.
If you wanted to work precise with a stylus then maybe you shouldn't have bought an HD2 in the first place.
ewok666 said:
... try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk
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No offence but I would say that not being able to play/finish crayon physics deluxe with this peace of jewellery is of course not caused by the screen or the phone. I would search the cause somewhere else.....
ewok666 said:
First things first: I generally like my HD2 - It's fast, has a nice display and a lot of other nice features but the touch screen outright sucks and is bordering on useless. Of course the iphone screen isn't much better but it still beats the HD2 screen hands down.
What's all the fuss about capacitive screens? All I can see is a loss in functionality. I hear their more durable but who cares whether the screen lasts 3 years or 10???? It's nowhere near as precise as any other touch screen device I ever owned. I can't use a stylus for drawing small things or playing most games....try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk...or Warfare Incorporated.
I installed a sensitivity fix cab and it's somewhat usable for day to day stuff but still.....the 4.3" screen is nowhere near as usable as the 3" my X1 had and I could operate that with my finger only quite all right.
Seems like there nothing in capacitive screens other than being iphone-like. Why not have a 4.3" resistive screen? What's the actual downside?
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The whole benefit of a capacitive screen for me is that I don't have to use a stylus. If I wanted to use a stylus I would have gone for a different phone.
Why did you buy this phone if you wanted to use a stylus? You can however get one, have you tried that first before falling out with the phone? It could fulfill all your needs and then you'll see how good the HD2 is.
I think that it is a matter of habit and getting used to resistive screens in your case. I havent had a resistive screen ever but i played a quite a lot with some and i must say that capacitive is much more interactive, finger friendly and intuitive than resistive so you might just try not to be so stuborn and give it a chance Everytime i try to do something with my girlfriends' resistive samsung and i keep getting stuck with not knowing how hard should I push the screen exactly ... I am not a fan of the resistive and after all it is called TOUCH screen not a Push screen Enjoy your Hd mate !
You can use fingers on resistive touchscreens. These days even resistive touchscreens can have multitouch.
I think the main advantage of capacitive screen is the glass, as was mentioned. Resistive screen must deform under the touching object, which means it wears down.
For phone, capacitive screen is just ok.
For tablet PCs, I'd like to see combination of capacitive screen with electromagnetic stylus (like tablet has) where you could switch the mode.
Capacitive screen is good for fast controls, but if you draw with stylus, you don't want the screen to react on random touches.
For example iPad has rather thick borders around the screen .. because you have to hold it somehow without actually touching the screen.
ewok666 said:
try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk
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The game is so addictive i completed this morning. Try junking your fingers?
A capacitive screen makes our screen a real touch screen instead of 'tap screen'.
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The advantige of capacitive touch screens:
more touch sensetive.
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I don't think so. Resistive is much more sensitive and precise. Pen stroke input used to be the reason PPC stuck to resistive input.
Being an HD2 fan doesn't mean a capacitive fan. Capacitive is the reason that I nearly bought an Omnia II instead of HD2. For me, it is something to hate.
With resistive, I don't mind carrying around a stylus when it means I can do precision work. And I can still use my fingers when I need to.
Now that we have WVGA, I believe now that we can sacrifice screen estate and use huge UIs so that capacitive screen can survive. But that means old applications written for resistive screens (including WM6.1 dialogues) usually have too small UIs for use on HD2.
Alex, That the Capacitive touch is more sensetive is an advantige, with the interface or software you can decrese the sensetivety. On resistive touch screens it is technicaly inposible to get the sensetivety as high as on capacitive.
It is posible to make resistive touch screens multitouch. only that takes a lot of software to calculate positions of pressing.
The techniek is very different between both. therefore you love it or you don't. some get used to it, some don't. It is all personal. There are even people who love the small keyboards. And even my wife loves only the number keys on the normal simple phones since she uses the dictionairy. And I have to say, She is faster writing a sms than me.
So everyone should use whatever they like. Every option has it's advantiges.
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Get ready to be flamed for your attitude. Coming onto a forum for fans of a device and calling it an "absolute piece of junk" is a pretty good way to not make friends!
Anyway, I finished Crayon Physics the other day, and had no problems doing so with my fingers. I suggest that the hardware isn't the problem here. Everyone else seems to manage fine.
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I should have been more specific: The junk I'm referring to is the screen and NOT the device. Like I said, I like the device but IMHO all the 'advantages' of capacitive don't make up for its downsides.
Just to address some of the comments:
Resistive screens CAN be touch operated without a stylus
They do NOT break down all the time
AFAIK they CAN support multitouch
Maybe it's just the crappy implementation of capacitive that HTC has done. The Iphone screen does not seem to suffer from all the issues the HD2 has:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=595655
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604831
The stylus for capacitive screens is a joke. Come on, do they have to be that fat and ugly? Is there really no way to have a small, pointy, conductive stylus?
Are capacitive screen really a requirement for WM7?
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The stylus for capacitive screens is a joke. Come on, do they have to be that fat and ugly? Is there really no way to have a small, pointy, conductive stylus?
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Learn before you preach.
johncmolyneux said:
Get ready to be flamed for your attitude. Coming onto a forum for fans of a device and calling it an "absolute piece of junk" is a pretty good way to not make friends!
Anyway, I finished Crayon Physics the other day, and had no problems doing so with my fingers. I suggest that the hardware isn't the problem here. Everyone else seems to manage fine.
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Hahahahahaha!!! John is right. Better be careful what you post on this forum.
I say put your fingers on a strict diet! Enroll them in a exercise regime until you can use your "piece of junk" effectively.
Well, for me the #1 reason for me to get an HD2 IS the capacitive screen.
I've had many many resistive screen devices (1 old pocketpc, 4 HTC phones, 2 touch-enabled UMPCs), and I'm tired of having to use my nail to press on that screen. It's perfectly fine on old-style UIs that rely on clicks only, but for the "new" flick, scroll, tap, pinch, rotate, capacitive is just the way to go.
Still getting mad when I tap my Kaiser's screen with my finger (not the nail) and it thinks I want to scroll, and goes 2 pages down... only works fine with something sharp, whatever the settings/tweaks.
capacitive is a reason to buy for me: it is what made the HD2 stand out for me. I will never go back to resistive technology.
I must say though that in my opinion the iPhone display is of a superior quality, not in terms of pixel count, but certainly in terms of its accuracy, sensitivity and reliability. it is simply a lot easier to tap out words on the iPhone than on the HD2. It also responds better to cold (if I go out in the winter breeze I sometimes find my HD2 starts pressing keys and moving the screen about of its own accord).
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I should have been more specific: The junk I'm referring to is the screen and NOT the device. Like I said, I like the device but IMHO all the 'advantages' of capacitive don't make up for its downsides.
Just to address some of the comments:
Resistive screens CAN be touch operated without a stylus
They do NOT break down all the time
AFAIK they CAN support multitouch
Maybe it's just the crappy implementation of capacitive that HTC has done. The Iphone screen does not seem to suffer from all the issues the HD2 has:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=595655
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604831
The stylus for capacitive screens is a joke. Come on, do they have to be that fat and ugly? Is there really no way to have a small, pointy, conductive stylus?
Are capacitive screen really a requirement for WM7?
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try walkin down the street while tryin to send an sms using the stylus on a resistive screen...u'll be sooo glad ur hd2 is capacitive...
kruithofm said:
The advantige of capacitive touch screens:
Glass can be used. Less vulnerable.
multi touch can be implemented.
more touch sensetive.
The advantige of resistive touch screens:
more accurate without software.
simple styles can be used.
cheap.
greatings,
marc
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this should have been end of thread.
Hi
Anyone else having problems with the touchscreen taking maybe 5 presses for you to be able to select for example a menu option? This is really starting to bug me now. So much so I'm thinking of sending it back to t-mobile and cancelling the contract.
Any help/suggestions would be appreciated.
Cheers
Andy
Try an Calibration in the settings menu.
There isn't a screen calibration setting on this handset. I wasn't aware we had to do this on these capacitive screens.
My X10 doesn't work like that at all. How hard do you press? Does it work in one press if you press harder?
Press harder on as capacitive display?
You'll have to place your second hand on the metal frame and it'll work perfect.
Dry hands are also not good.
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Press harder on as capacitive display?
You'll have to place your second hand on the metal frame and it'll work perfect.
Dry hands are also not good.
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Yeah. If you press harder a larger area of your finger touches the display. I.E. more for the digitizer to sense.
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Dry hands are also not good.
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I'm definitely noticing this. I'm not exactly the type of guy to regularly moisturize my hands. I work in construction, and this capacitive screen absolutely sucks for me. I've been using resistive screens beautifully up to this point. I find I often have to lick my thumb regularly to get the screen to work properly. I have a ton of trouble unlocking the phone, since the screen thinks I've lifted my thumb halfway through the pattern. Using swype is a nightmare for this reason as well.
There are resistive multitouch screens on laptops and desktops now. I hope we see a swing back to resistive screens on smartphones.
I'm experiencing this problem aswell an i'm pretty much sure this is all software related, you can actually see the interface reacting to the press but it seems like the device never executes the action forcing you to press multiple times, annoying as hell yes! I sincerely hope SE fixes this in the next update.
Has anyone had any problems with accuracy? In some apps the touch registers like 5mm below where I actually touch.
I think the stock screen protector hinders the touch sensitivity quite a bit. Try getting a thinner screen protector. There is a thread talking about how sensitivity and accuracy improved when they took theirs off.
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I think the stock screen protector hinders the touch sensitivity quite a bit. Try getting a thinner screen protector. There is a thread talking about how sensitivity and accuracy improved when they took theirs off.
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Thanks for the tip but I already have an uberthin protector. That brand has worked very well on all other capacitive displays I've had. I'm suspecting a software bug rather than a hardware issue.
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I think the stock screen protector hinders the touch sensitivity quite a bit. Try getting a thinner screen protector. There is a thread talking about how sensitivity and accuracy improved when they took theirs off.
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I jammed my X10 in a sports armband for Ipod touch, it has a very thick plastic window and it did not affect the sensetivity a bit so i dont think the thin stock protector will do any difference. Just my opinion
ddewbofh said:
Has anyone had any problems with accuracy? In some apps the touch registers like 5mm below where I actually touch.
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I've noticed that on the dialer application.
Sometimes, while I am on Recent Calls section, I press the green telephone next to a contact and it calls the one right below it!
Haven't ever noticed any sort of oddness like that... and I have a thick screen protector on top of the stock one.
Occasionally I'll type a letter wrong, but that seems to have improved with the update from two weeks ago.
Hi guys. I'd like to know if there is any way to calibrate the S-Pen, somethink like in the old Windows Mobile days with that little cross which you had to tap to calibrate your screen to the stylus. It's off by a few pixels on my note, which makes it annoying.
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My GN too is off by a few pixel and is kinda annoying specially for some precision drawing.
It's supposed to be off, that's why you set it for left and right handed so you can see what your doing.
All you need to do is get used to it.
yeah that how they design . like set the right hand then it will off a bit on the left . if setting using left hand then it will off to the right side a bit. but its only on s memo ? seem to be spot on in browsing web.
I just did a little discovery. When I touch the screen either with one finger of my other hand or with part of the hand which holds the pen TOGETHER with S Pen, the accuracy is much better then by touching the screen solely by S Pen. Tested with default stylus and some OEM Lifebook tablet PC stylus. Both behave better when I rest my palm on screen while drawing/writting.
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I just did a little discovery. When I touch the screen either with one finger of my other hand or with part of the hand which holds the pen TOGETHER with S Pen, the accuracy is much better then by touching the screen solely by S Pen. Tested with default stylus and some OEM Lifebook tablet PC stylus. Both behave better when I rest my palm on screen while drawing/writting.
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Are you sure you aren't just holding the pen at a slightly different angle when doing that? The way you hold the pen makes quite a big difference to the accuracy in my experience.
I think that the precision of the pen is perfect.
I think it's wrong yours handle
not using the pen perpendicular ...
try to held the s-pen as a real pen (inclined) and you'll find it very precise.
you must use it as you use one pen with a sheet of paper
I don't think you write with the pen perpendicular the book...
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Are you sure you aren't just holding the pen at a slightly different angle when doing that? The way you hold the pen makes quite a big difference to the accuracy in my experience.
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The angle definitely impacts the precision. As written above the usual 'paper and pen' holding is the best and also the upward pen button orientation helps. But somehow I get even more precise results when touching the screen.
I just get a my replacement of galaxy note from the shop due to the screeen problem in my last phone.
I am quite frustrated because I found that my s pen really needs calibration. My last galaxy note, although the screen had problem, it didn't have any calibration problem that the s pen is so accurate. So unhappy
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It's supposed to be off, that's why you set it for left and right handed so you can see what your doing.
All you need to do is get used to it.
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It should get used to me, not the other way round.
I'm left-handed, and many left handers have different ways of holding pens due to smudge-avoidance habits. Setting the phone to "left handed" may suit some lefties, but not me.
What's so difficult about allowing personal calibration, Samsung?
I've found my pen is inaccurate too, unless you're holding it and using it like a pen and not a stylus... If that makes sense?
If you use it like a traditional stylus on resistive touch screen and expect the point of the stylus to be exactly where it hits the screen regardless of pen angle then it'll always appear to be very inaccurate. But if you treat it more like a normal pen and hold it at a normal handwriting angle and except the mark to appear where the tip of the pencil would be in that position its just fine.
Change your mindset: This is a standard pencil, not a stylus. Once you treat it like a normal pencil/pen and use it like you normally do handwriting instead of as a stylus poking at the screen you'll find its very good.
mine also a bit off its upper then the actual touch point.
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erlz said:
mine also a bit off its upper then the actual touch point.
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Mine too. I really think this was a deliberate move by Samsung. More like a pencil/pen than a stylus.
daxmedflax said:
Mine too. I really think this was a deliberate move by Samsung. More like a pencil/pen than a stylus.
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This. It's supposed to be this way, to make writing more natural. Not a flaw, but I do wish there was an option to disable it. Maybe a mod in the future will enable us to.
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Unsinkable II said:
It should get used to me, not the other way round.
I'm left-handed, and many left handers have different ways of holding pens due to smudge-avoidance habits. Setting the phone to "left handed" may suit some lefties, but not me.
What's so difficult about allowing personal calibration, Samsung?
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Fully agreed - we should be able to calibrate it. and it should definitely get used to us and not the other way around!!!!
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kebong said:
This. It's supposed to be this way, to make writing more natural. Not a flaw, but I do wish there was an option to disable it. Maybe a mod in the future will enable us to.
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It seems like a flaw to me. When I use it towards the center of the screen it seems OK, as I get closer to the edges it drifts off center. It certainly looks like a calibration bug to me.
same issue, need to hold it like a pen
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19491160
Check out this thread
I posted a rather long thing about the accuracy issue.
Basically, there's a set offset based on left/right handedness, which will change depending on the orientation of the screen. If the angle at which you write moves outside of what Samsung deems "normal" then it becomes horribly inaccurate.
Everyone is trying to stick up for and justify this pen problem...if this is the case, how come other drawing programs on the note aren't nearly as bad?
Found this on Appbrain by Samsung. http://www.appbrain.com/app/galaxy-note-s-pen-user-guide/com.samsung.spenguide
thanks.
Would have liked the option of saving those youtube videos instead of always online.
This reminds me that we live in times when it is considered natural to write an application which shows you several how-to videos linked to YouTube rather than write a document containing clear instructions. The content of these videos would really fit within the space of one page of well-written text.
Consider me old-school type
is there a way to calibrate the s-pen? I'm a little bothered that the "ink" when i write on the s-memo appears above my s-pen.
Not sure if this helps. ... But there is a pronounced difference in s-pen accuracy if you forget to change the handed setting between left or right.
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It has been already mentioned in other threads that:
1. You need to keep the pen at about 45 degree angle towards yourself, then it will be perfectly aligned. If you keep it straight or at any other angle, it will appear misaligned.
2. If you don't use automatic screen rotation (but rotate screen manually), the pen will also be misaligned
macminer said:
It has been already mentioned in other threads that:
1. You need to keep the pen at about 45 degree angle towards yourself, then it will be perfectly aligned. If you keep it straight or at any other angle, it will appear misaligned.
2. If you don't use automatic screen rotation (but rotate screen manually), the pen will also be misaligned
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I see. But I was hoping there's a way for the note to calibrate the s-pen so that it will be aligned even if you don't use it in about a 45 degree angle. I want it aligned in the natural way I use it (sadly, the natural way of writing for me is not the 45 degree angle).
I have found there to be a learning curve with the s pen. The 45° angle thing is definitely right. A bit of practice and I have found it works great
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User Guide:
1. Get pen
2. Draw on screen
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User Guide:
1. Get pen
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Doesn't work
Got pen, drawing ... Nothing appears ...
Now what ?
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I see. But I was hoping there's a way for the note to calibrate the s-pen so that it will be aligned even if you don't use it in about a 45 degree angle. I want it aligned in the natural way I use it (sadly, the natural way of writing for me is not the 45 degree angle).
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Of course there is a way to do it. It is a paid app on android market - TouchScreenTune for Note.
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Would have liked the option of saving those youtube videos instead of always online.
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I just download the videos from Youtube via firefox / chrome extensions.
macminer said:
It has been already mentioned in other threads that:
1. You need to keep the pen at about 45 degree angle towards yourself, then it will be perfectly aligned. If you keep it straight or at any other angle, it will appear misaligned.
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45 degree? i thought it was 90 degree towards the phone screen? ->> WRONG.
90 degrees makes sense for me because of the lorentz-force?
Wouldn't 90 degrees be that you should hold the pen straight? That doesn't seem right to me...
Actually you are right, 90 degrees is wrong, it should be 45 degree.
bad ass sensitive magnetic field ^^
The quality of pen input on my Note 10.1 seems very poor compared to Lenovo's Thinkpad android tablet. Here are some screenshots from Quill and Papyrus for comparison:
https://plus.google.com/photos/118035123044388609537/albums/5778924744771043441
These screenshots are zoomed in about 5x from the size at which the text was written to make the difference obvious.
Has anyone else observed this? Could I just have a defective unit? The final picture in the album shows the result of using the S-Pen from my Galaxy Note 10.1 on a Tablet PC running Windows (Thinkpad X61 tablet - also a Wacom digitizer), so I don't think there's anything wrong with the pen.
PBSurf said:
The quality of pen input on my Note 10.1 seems very poor compared to Lenovo's Thinkpad android tablet. Here are some screenshots from Quill and Papyrus for comparison:
https://plus.google.com/photos/118035123044388609537/albums/5778924744771043441
Has anyone else observed this? Could I just have a defective unit? The final picture in the album shows the result of using the S-Pen from my Galaxy Note 10.1 on a Tablet PC running Windows (Thinkpad X61 tablet - also a Wacom digitizer), so I don't think there's anything wrong with the pen.
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I've seen that happen very occasionally in Lecture Notes... It's not as pronounced as yours, but it's the same thing.
Would be interested to see how many others are seeing the same thing.
That has never happened to me so far.
I have never used Lecture notes, so I cant comment on that, but pen - input has been working great for me in S Note.
This is not good news. I use Lecture Notes - it is my go-to app for notes. I'm getting mine tomorrow so I'll be testing and will report back.
The effect seems less noticeable in LectureNotes and S-Note under normal use because the minimum stroke width is relatively wide and, since both these save strokes as bitmaps instead of vector graphics, zooming in blurs everything. However, if I zoom out to 30% in LectureNotes, write, then zoom in, I see the same jaggedness.
Lecture Notes allows the user to set the pencil to any width, color or softness, softness adding an antialiasing effect.
If you set your pencils correctly there should be no jaggeness at all. Screen text on my Note looks fantastic in Lecture Notes, I actually prefer the realistic looking print to the S Note app. I mean, zoom in close on an image of actual pen or pencil on paper. The edges are not smooth at all.
I mean it's a note taking app. Why would you care that one looks slightly better than another at 5x magnification?
** I just looked at your images. Yeah you are doing the pencils wrong. Why would you want to write in super fine point anyway?
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FWIW I tried writing in a few apps (S Note, Writepad, and Papyrus) and I don't get any jagged lines. Will upload a screenshot later when I get a chance. This scared me for a second.
Edit: Here's a page of text from Papyrus: http://minus.com/lFGDz8vQlZUv3
As you can see, no jaggies like in your picture. Have you made sure that all battery saving options are off? That could cause some lag in the input capture.
Actually, if I zoom in the PDF you posted, I can see the same jaggedness, so the problem isn't my device. I guess I'm just too fussy
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These screenshots are zoomed in about 5x from the size at which the text was written to make the difference obvious.
Has anyone else observed this? Could I just have a defective unit? The final picture in the album shows the result of using the S-Pen from my Galaxy Note 10.1 on a Tablet PC running Windows (Thinkpad X61 tablet - also a Wacom digitizer), so I don't think there's anything wrong with the pen.
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Hi PBSurf, you have mentioned using the S pen on Windows Tablet PC wacom digitizer. Can you confirm if the reverse is true? That is to say, does your X61 pen work on the GNote. Coz that would be great! Especially with the felt tipped pens provided by Lenovo. Cheers!
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Hi PBSurf, you have mentioned using the S pen on Windows Tablet PC wacom digitizer. Can you confirm if the reverse is true? That is to say, does your X61 pen work on the GNote. Coz that would be great! Especially with the felt tipped pens provided by Lenovo. Cheers!
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I can confirm it works on our notes as I have the same tablet, the added benefit is that you can use the eraser function of the x61t too.
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I can confirm it works on our notes as I have the same tablet, the added benefit is that you can use the eraser function of the x61t too.
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Sweet! Now.. The long wait till the GNote arrives here in Australia
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Hi PBSurf, you have mentioned using the S pen on Windows Tablet PC wacom digitizer. Can you confirm if the reverse is true? That is to say, does your X61 pen work on the GNote. Coz that would be great! Especially with the felt tipped pens provided by Lenovo. Cheers!
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Yes, my X61T pen works on the Note 10.1. The eraser works in my application: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.styluslabs.write and probably some others (haven't checked). Unfortunately, the pen button does not work since Samsung reserves it for system-wide gestures (like double tap to bring up S-Note).
Samsung also offers an optional pen with an eraser for the Note.
http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop...100200500150_BNY6142P.shtml&order_id=!ORDERID!
http://www.gearzap.com/official-samsung-s-pen-with-eraser-for-galaxy-note-10-1.html
I've got jaggies in Papyrus, and I imagine it's similar in Quill.
I think it has something to do with the vectorization of my strokes. If you zoom in and draw some curves, it's smooth until you take your pen off the surface, and then it goes jagged as the line is converted to points. I also think the pressure sensitivity is too high, so a bunch of fine lines at the end of letters appear when I don't actually want them.
I *think* the jaggedness is not a hardware issue... though the difference with the TPT and Note 10.1 is a little disconcerting. Maybe the TPT has a lower resolution digitizer so things are artificially straighter since there's a larger margin of error?
Charbucks said:
I've got jaggies in Papyrus, and I imagine it's similar in Quill.
I think it has something to do with the vectorization of my strokes. If you zoom in and draw some curves, it's smooth until you take your pen off the surface, and then it goes jagged as the line is converted to points. I also think the pressure sensitivity is too high, so a bunch of fine lines at the end of letters appear when I don't actually want them.
I *think* the jaggedness is not a hardware issue... though the difference with the TPT and Note 10.1 is a little disconcerting. Maybe the TPT has a lower resolution digitizer so things are artificially straighter since there's a larger margin of error?
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Interesting ... you could see what happens in my writing application (see my previous post), since it does not smooth or otherwise alter the pen input, so nothing will change when the pen is lifted.
Since the s-pen (like any wacom pen) actually uses a pressure sensor between the tip and the pen body to determine when it's touching the screen, I did the following experiment: I put a piece of scotch tape over the tip of the s-pen tightly so that the tip was depressed and held in place. The pen of course then writes whenever it is in proximity to screen. In this experiment, I saw no jaggedness! I'm not sure what the implication of this is - maybe the problem is that the tip is too loose relative to the body. As I was packing up my Note 10.1 to return it, I noticed there were a bunch of replacement tips included, some of different types. Maybe trying a different type of tip might make a difference?
PBSurf said:
Interesting ... you could see what happens in my writing application (see my previous post), since it does not smooth or otherwise alter the pen input, so nothing will change when the pen is lifted.
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Ooh, I missed the link to your app! I like it! Took me a while to figure out all the options but it seems like a really nice S-note alternative. I also like that it doesn't seem to have pressure sensitivity, or at least not as extreme as Papyrus. It makes my writing look nicer overall. Here's a test: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4504287/test.html
PBSurf said:
Since the s-pen (like any wacom pen) actually uses a pressure sensor between the tip and the pen body to determine when it's touching the screen, I did the following experiment: I put a piece of scotch tape over the tip of the s-pen tightly so that the tip was depressed and held in place. The pen of course then writes whenever it is in proximity to screen. In this experiment, I saw no jaggedness! I'm not sure what the implication of this is - maybe the problem is that the tip is too loose relative to the body. As I was packing up my Note 10.1 to return it, I noticed there were a bunch of replacement tips included, some of different types. Maybe trying a different type of tip might make a difference?
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I think the pen is just over-sensitive. When I write quickly with big long strokes, there's no jaggedness at all. When I reach the end of the stroke and thus slow down, it starts to jitter. Are you returning it because of this problem? That's sad
Charbucks said:
Ooh, I missed the link to your app! I like it! Took me a while to figure out all the options but it seems like a really nice S-note alternative. I also like that it doesn't seem to have pressure sensitivity, or at least not as extreme as Papyrus. It makes my writing look nicer overall. Here's a test: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4504287/test.html
I think the pen is just over-sensitive. When I write quickly with big long strokes, there's no jaggedness at all. When I reach the end of the stroke and thus slow down, it starts to jitter. Are you returning it because of this problem? That's sad
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My main reasons for returning the Note 10.1 were the jagged writing, the inability to use the pen button in applications (since it's reserved for system-wide gestures) and TouchWiz (this was my first encounter with TouchWiz). I'll stick with my Thinkpad Android tablet for now, but I'm really looking forward to the Microsoft Surface Pro.
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My main reasons for returning the Note 10.1 were the jagged writing, the inability to use the pen button in applications (since it's reserved for system-wide gestures) and TouchWiz (this was my first encounter with TouchWiz). I'll stick with my Thinkpad Android tablet for now, but I'm really looking forward to the Microsoft Surface Pro.
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Really? You went back to the TPT? Pen button support will come, and the jagged writing will likely get fixed... Not to mention we're actually getting JB soon...
404Science said:
Really? You went back to the TPT? Pen button support will come, and the jagged writing will likely get fixed... Not to mention we're actually getting JB soon...
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Jagged writing? Maybe if you use the ink pen on its thinnest setting. Other than that the antialiasing on the pen is outstanding. The pen writing on my Note is butter smooth.
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don't have that problem
and now i always use the pen on the original note 5.3,it works great,too