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I've read all post in this board.
but i can't quite understand if lag is really there, if it shows only in certain phone(say carrier,geographical area etcetc) or whatever...
reading random post here and here doesn't give precise informations about this aspect of the hero's user experience.
So i'll make a poll. 4 options of lag-tollerability.
if you vote for the poll, reply describing details of the phone, and a precise description of the lag(where, when, app open...)
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I'm italian so sorry for my dodgy english.
I'm going to refrain from voting until I have a better idea of what precisely people mean by lag.
The only slightly slow thing on my G2 has been the messages - sometimes there has been a bit of a delay opening the list of messages, threads etc.
Today, I waited for all of about..........four whole seconds.
I can live with that.
None of the phone's other functions have any appreciable delay or sluggishness.
It's worth noting, however, that I don't use the Farcebook or Twatter widgits, so I don't know if they cause any lag on other poster's phones.
Compare this to my Vario III/Kaiser which seized up on regular occasions.
And if you had the temerity to hit the 'back' button whilst using PIE, well, it was sometimes quicker to do a soft reset than wait for it to get its arse into gear.
That's the feedback i was looking for.
in my opinion you are in the second option of the pool.
Because it's normal that some application need loading time, and that's not lag nor abnormal..
I voted no lag, but that is because of some modifications I made.
Before I go into detail, here is my definition of "lag":
My device lags if an action that should be instant hangs for a fraction (or more) before taking place. An example of such an action is a screen swipe across the homescreen. It should happen as you perform the swipe, if it doesn't, something is lagging and preventing the screen from moving. Waiting for a calendar to load, an inbox to display, logging in to messenger, that sort of stuff is in my view not lagging. They are usualy an action that loads data for display or modification.
I voted for No lag at all, but I cheated because I have removed the entire Sense UI and its widgets from my device using the Rosie remover from Modaco.
The Sense UI is a great piece of work, but every time I used it I had the feeling the Hero just doesnt have the horsepower to drive such a UI. (Which fits my description of lagging)
So, lagging: No, but only after cheating and reverting to the default Homescreen.
I voted totally no, but it's not exactly true. The phone can sometimes lag abit while it's loading up from sleep mode, also the browser can lag depending on which sites you visit. But both of those examples are very minor and I have never had the phone freeze for more than a second.
Sure the phone could be faster, but when I got it, and after hearing about it's laggyness from reviews I was supprised of how fast it was.
I use the default ROM that came with the phone, and taskkiller isn't even installed.
I have a couple of complaints about this device but lag isn't one of them.
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I voted totally no, but it's not exactly true. The phone can sometimes lag abit while it's loading up from sleep mode, also the browser can lag depending on which sites you visit. But both of those examples are very minor and I have never had the phone freeze for more than a second.
Sure the phone could be faster, but when I got it, and after hearing about it's laggyness from reviews I was supprised of how fast it was.
I use the default ROM that came with the phone, and taskkiller isn't even installed.
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I experience the same thing, I've had doubts on buying the new diamond 2 or the hero, since i've had the diamond 1 for a while I decided to try the android thingy.
Compared to that the diamond lives in the stoneages and experiences lot's of lag, my hero sometimes hesitates when coming out of sleep and when I just refreshed the widget's (got new mail ore weather update) it lags a tiny bit, but I don't consider the hero to lag overall so I voted option 2
Typing quickly makes the keyboard lag quite alot which always winds me up.
Scrolling through contacts is very clunky (maybe due to all of them having pictures and facebook status'). But then again dont offer the feature if its crap.
Messages takes too long to load up.
BAM!
Biffert said:
I voted no lag, but that is because of some modifications I made.
Before I go into detail, here is my definition of "lag":
My device lags if an action that should be instant hangs for a fraction (or more) before taking place. An example of such an action is a screen swipe across the homescreen. It should happen as you perform the swipe, if it doesn't, something is lagging and preventing the screen from moving. Waiting for a calendar to load, an inbox to display, logging in to messenger, that sort of stuff is in my view not lagging. They are usualy an action that loads data for display or modification.
I voted for No lag at all, but I cheated because I have removed the entire Sense UI and its widgets from my device using the Rosie remover from Modaco.
The Sense UI is a great piece of work, but every time I used it I had the feeling the Hero just doesnt have the horsepower to drive such a UI. (Which fits my description of lagging)
So, lagging: No, but only after cheating and reverting to the default Homescreen.
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Did you keep any aspects of Sense UI intact? I don't know what is tied to it as far as the keyboard and music player?
Totally no for me. I thought about 'More of a slight delay' but that would be less accurate, as for the most part things happen very quickly. The keyboard has been known to miss a beat, and large pdf files take a minimum of time to load up the pages as you scroll, but apart from the expected delay in processing intensive tasks, generally I've been pretty amazed at the speed of the thing to be honest. If I was to say the Hero lagged, I'd have to say my PC lagged aswell. Some things do take time. You're not gonna load up a 5Mb pdf instantaneously on the iPhone either.
To completely remove delay or lag from a phone you'd need processing power far beyond that normally required by the software, which isn't practical.
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Did you keep any aspects of Sense UI intact? I don't know what is tied to it as far as the keyboard and music player?
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Only the visible parts have been removed such as HTC widgets and the homescreen itself. The apps still work great (calendar, people, keyboard, etc). The background services are still present.
Just a bit of delay between switching screens and once in a while I do encounter keystroke lag when typing on eBuddy and RoadSync email - rarely any keyboard lag when texting.
I've been trying out some bits and pieces over the past couple of days and have noticed some serious performance differences.
After my factory reset I didn't set an 'unlock code' with the connect the dots dealy, this has made a massive difference to the performance of my phone. Also, as I'm with Vodafone, I didn't bother setting up Peep, I opted for Twidroid instead. Without peep on a home 'scene' I've got a performance boost too. Twidroid is still running in the background, mind and I don't miss a tweet!
Just thought I'd chime in and see if anyone else had noticed the same.
No lag at all here with anything yet, tried a few different configurations. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones, but looks like the new update will sort out any lag in the next few days?
No lag for me, sometimes you have to wait a second but compare to my last phone (HTC Diamond) it's just black and white.
The diamond was buggy and slow. The hero is fast, I never had a freeze and Android is the best OS I never tried!
This is my first touch screen, and first android phone, so of course im constantly impressed with it. Blows my mind in fact.
That said, I do experience lag problems:
- that require me to use Taskiller to kill everything once in a while if ive been using to many difference apps.
- Keyboard lag when typing fast. More noticeable if apps are piled up in the background
- Sliding between home screens straight after unlocking the screen. Seems like once they screens are 'buffered' they slide smoothly and quickly. FYI i only use 3 home screens with only the clock, dialer, Taskiller and WIFI widget. Rest is plain app shortcut icons.
- Dialer widget. Sliding through favourite contacts is sloooow. Take a second or two to start moving, and as aboive, once I've slid all the way up and down and its 'buffered' its smooth as silk...
I voted for Sometimes is unusable.
First week I used TasKiller and Advanced Task Killer (great app btw!) to kill unnecessary apps running, and I was very pleased with the performance. Next week I uninstalled all third party task killer apps because I read here that Android should be very capable of handling these things. Well in my experience, I doesn't handle this all too well, I think now my device is lagging more than with me using task killers.
Lagging here means screen unresponsive when unlocking, not being able to drag notifications bar to properly view what's there, home screen switching is not so smooth etc. I'm only using Wi-Fi & other ON/OFF switches, medium weather app, couple of calendar widgets and bunch of shortcuts on my home screen. Only FB contacts are integrated, I'm not on Twitter or Flickr.
Just today I started using class 6 microSD card, and for now, everything seems pretty smooth. But I did remove the battery before doing this so it might not be so dramatic change compared to previous experience. Waiting eagerly for the new Hero update!
Only Sense is slow sometimes
Sometimes (once or twice a day) it definately lags. But it seems only a "Sense" issue. When it happens, for example the scrolling is not smooth anymore and the "SMS" Widget stops working properly (you can't flip trough the messages anymore).
But if I enter any Application, the App. itself works smooth and without any lags at all.
Strange thing is: after a couple of minutes (and it doesn't matter if the phone is turned on or not) the lag disappears totally. Maybe theres is some sort of "memory-rearrangement" or "Disk defragmentation" going on that slows the phone down while running.
it's worth noting as well that whether or not there are any "issues" it's always possible to make the phone lag - playing high-bit-rate-music while trying to browse a flash website will do it, for example - but that's only because the phone doesn't artificially limit what you can do
I seriously haven't encountered any severe lag problems on all the firmware versions I tried. Also, comparissons with a SonyEricsson XPeria X10 doesn't reveal any problems for my Galaxy S in this regard.
This is not to say that I want to refute the observations done by other Galaxy S owners. I only want to get some more insight in this, so I can prevent my device of getting the same problems.
My question is, is there a sort of invariant between the devices that have a lag problem? Do people with the lag problem have many applications installed (I for one have just a few additional apps on my device), do you have really large databases on your devices?
Maybe we can do a poll about this? Just to get some insight? Suggestions?
The lag is gone with new firmwares (JM5,JG8) for me, but there is still some delay on opening and launching apps (compared to my previos Desire).
First we need to specify what do people mean by LAG.
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The lag is gone with new firmwares (JM5,JG8) for me, but there is still some delay on opening and launching apps (compared to my previos Desire).
First we need to specify what do people mean by LAG.
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That's a good one. I think, by the way ppl using this term, they mean what you are saying: a delay on launching apps and maybe when opening a window in a app (like for example the bookmark window in the browser)
Maybe a poll can also lead to some guidelines for developers (for example use files instead of databases?)
I never had any lag issues until I installed loads of widgets on the home screen, I have a custom clock, battery monitor, Internal and SD card space widget, and it lags like mad at times. I am 100% confident that if I removed them the lag would vanish again.
Tachikoma_kun said:
I never had any lag issues until I installed loads of widgets on the home screen, I have a custom clock, battery monitor, Internal and SD card space widget, and it lags like mad at times. I am 100% confident that if I removed them the lag would vanish again.
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Interesting, I will monitor that. I generally don't have much widgets installed on my desktop.
Hope we can come up with some "best practices" to prevent the Galaxy S lag problem.
tvcRichard said:
if you need to repair your phone ...you must need some parts for replacement.
So if you need ,please contact to me!
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Lol ... now that's an unexpected contribution to this thread. I think you're violating at least 3 forum rules.
The only lag i get is when downloading something from the market. Then the Phone almost stopps responding to inputs. Takes a lot of time until the app is installed. Even worse if i install up to +5 apps at the same time. But it´s the only scenario where its lagging. Widgets i do not have from the market, only the pre-installed. Haven´t found any nice and usefull widget for the moment. And apps.... well 9 pages full of apps And no lags.
The lag is blatantly evident when pressing the Application-Home switcher and then trying to flip through the three pages of apps. The problem lies partly with TouchWiz, which is a crap interface to begin with, but mostly with the file system that Samsung uses.
When both have stock firmware, my HTC Desire shows less lag than the Galaxy S in daily use. however once the lagfix is applied to the Galaxy S, it blows everything else out of the water.
And the Xperia X10 is an abomination unless they've significantly improved the firmware from a month ago. Played around with one of those about a month and a half ago and it was horrendous.
Either way, this has been and continues to be discussed in countless other threads in both General and Android Development. Yet another thread is really unnecessary.
Lag for me is when there is an incoming phone call and the phone wake up but wouldn't respond to touches and made me miss my call.
Or when during phone call I try to search for contacts by pressing the home screen and the phone freezes.
Mind you it doesn't happend that often but when it does it is annoying.
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that's a good idea
we should list all the "lag"
and define if they are really lag, or if it's a software issue
Rather aptly, I had not used the music player since I customised my SGS with all the widgets, and holy cow, the music player was stuttering when playing music. It was like listening to a .rm music file over dial-up internet again. I turned all my flashy widgets off, and lo and behold, the phone is lag free again and the music flows uninterupted.
disable the music scan
that is the first step to reduce lag
The scan wasn't running at the time if you mean the lag I was getting in the music player. But regardless, I confirmed my own suspicion that all those pretty widgets we all love was causing the lag on my phone.
AllGamer said:
disable the music scan
that is the first step to reduce lag
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How do you do that?
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How do you do that?
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You can find it in the development section of this forum. Someone posted a tip there.
I'm getting quite annoyed at my phone's lack of RAM.
I browse the internet and constantly open new windows (up to the max 4 allowed by the HTC browser, but that's another story) so that I can quickly go back a page when I need to.
If for some reason I go and use a couple of other apps on the phone, and then come back to the browser I constantly find that the oldest 3 pages have dropped completely out of RAM, and the 4th one has as well, and that last one alone loads up again.
This is annoying, time-consuming and messes up my browsing session. Is there some way I can prioritise the browser so that most other apps get killed off before it does?
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I'm getting quite annoyed at my phone's lack of RAM.
I browse the internet and constantly open new windows (up to the max 4 allowed by the HTC browser, but that's another story) so that I can quickly go back a page when I need to.
If for some reason I go and use a couple of other apps on the phone, and then come back to the browser I constantly find that the oldest 3 pages have dropped completely out of RAM, and the 4th one has as well, and that last one alone loads up again.
This is annoying, time-consuming and messes up my browsing session. Is there some way I can prioritise the browser so that most other apps get killed off before it does?
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Try using firefox instead on the defualt browser .its not perfect yet but its getting
better and better with every beta release .
I don't think an alternate browser will help with Android unwantedly killing off processes.
Incidentally, I tried Firefox a couple of months ago and found it to be completely unusable - I take it it's worth checking out again now then?
Another possibility is to set the Android memory manager to be less aggressive in removing things from memory (you can use an app like AutoKiller to change the settings easily---try tweaking the settings to see if helps with your usage model).
I know AutoKiller will also allow you to lower the oom value for the process (the lower the oom, the less likely the memory manager will kill it in the background), but I don't think this will help for the browser (since the OS will dynamically change its oom each time you bring it to the foreground and send it to the background again). If someone knows a way to make the oom value permanently lower, that sounds like exactly what you want.
Maybe someone else has some ideas. I know often times launchers will have the option to keep themselves in memory, and CM6 has the option to keep messaging in memory (more like your situation), so it should be doable.
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I don't think an alternate browser will help with Android unwantedly killing off processes.
Incidentally, I tried Firefox a couple of months ago and found it to be completely unusable - I take it it's worth checking out again now then?
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defo ,its much better now i figured since you were annoyed by 4 tab limit
you might find firefox helpful. because it doesnt have limit or if it does its more than 4 for sure also it has an aption called (your tabs from last time) which again i think
you will find it usefull ,you can also sync it with you pcs firefox too .
EDIT: I just tried it to make sure, even if you reboot your phone
and open firefox again you can just press on (your tabs from last time)
and it will restore them all.
The way I see it there are a few things you can do...
Firstly, you could try a renice script. It does what other people have suggested and changes the oomph value to what you like. It was commonly used on the g1 for the dialer so that you wouldn't miss phone calls lol. Its easy to do if you know the syntax, I would make you one myself if I was near a computer lol.
Another thing you could do is try an aosp/CM based rom, as those generally have much, much lower ram usage compared to sense.
Lastly you could try a different browser. There are so many to choose from I'm sure one will fit your needs.
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I use autokiller on my DZ, you have to have root to use this tho... quite satisfied about it, almost all the time 90+ free ram even when doing heavy stuff... quits the unused shizzle...
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I HIGHLY recommend Dolphin Browser HD.
It is significantly faster than the stock Browser and I have had no issues with Android closing it down. One feature I like is that there is actually an 'Exit' button in the menu for those individuals who have OCD like me and don't like the Browser running in the background when not wanted.
Thus far, this is the best mobile Browser I have used. That being said, I have not tried Firefox and have been a regular user of Opera Mini in the past on other devices.
You should try miren browser once, i'm using it now instead of dolphin hd, and there is a exit button in the menu to. I think its better styled, it has got all the features of dolphin HD without all the bloating around... no gestures tho
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I think its more of poorly optimized software because im pretty sure that google devs don't even utilize the full 512mb of RAM in 2.2. Chances are its the HTC sense limiting you.
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Yeah I don't think this issue is anything to do with a lack of RAM.
I may try another ROM, however I'm just not up for flashing all the time like I used to with my old Desire or G1 before that. I want a 100% working ROM, preferably something that allows overclocking with a kernel that doesn't break stuff.
And I also want my HTC phone dialler/contacts as well, not vanilla or a cheap copy from the Market. Oh, and I hate the vanilla lockscreen - it's just hard to operate compared to the Sense one. I don't know why it's so hard to unlock side to side on Android - the iPhone takes a little flick and it's unlocked - vanilla Android is like a mission to ensure I've dragged it far enough across to unlock.
And I don't want my keyboard or capacitive keys or quick keys mullered up (I am running a Euro DZ).
If these issues can be dealt with easily when setting up the ROM/phone then I'm prepared to devote a little time to doing it.
So - any suggestions, please?
dont use htc sense roms.
I'm running the virtuous sense rom with his advanced kernel, ive ran the normal rom about 2 weeks, and ive yet to see differences other then a huuuuuuuge speed increase... i would just try it once if i were you its such a relieve...
I played with the latest over the weekend. I ended up uninstalling it. I'd hit a page with scripting and then firefox would lock up and crash.
Web2Go isn't perfect, but at least it doesn't crash as often.
This has nothing to do with RAM. This phone handles RAM just fine. Use Miren and thank me later. It's the best browser by far!
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You should try miren browser once, i'm using it now instead of dolphin hd, and there is a exit button in the menu to. I think its better styled, it has got all the features of dolphin HD without all the bloating around... no gestures tho
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No text reflow = showstopper.
Unless I'm just being blind, I can't find any way to enable this in the settings for Miren.
It's sense. Sense roms use way more RAM than vanilla roms do. Also check out dolphin HD or dolphin mini browser.
Another issue I'm having which points to lack of RAM (whether this is due to Sense sucking it all up or not) is that programs do not stay in in RAM for that long, ie I go away from an app then return after using a few other apps (not massive games or anything) and when I return the first app's UI has been kicked out of memory and has to load up again, causing anything between a momentary (dialler, mesaging) to an annoyingly long (browser, maps, market) white screen, as data is downloaded again.
People talk a lot of sh*t about the iPhone, but cacheing (caching? sp?) a copy of the last screen for each app before it's closed so you instantly get a visual image of the UI of the app following the opening animation is a pretty good idea IMO.
Has anyone here used the Desire HD? I would think with the 768MB of RAM on that badboy this would be less of a problem.
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Another issue I'm having which points to lack of RAM (whether this is due to Sense sucking it all up or not) is that programs do not stay in in RAM for that long, ie I go away from an app then return after using a few other apps (not massive games or anything) and when I return the first app's UI has been kicked out of memory and has to load up again, causing anything between a momentary (dialler, mesaging) to an annoyingly long (browser, maps, market) white screen, as data is downloaded again.
People talk a lot of sh*t about the iPhone, but cacheing (caching? sp?) a copy of the last screen for each app before it's closed so you instantly get a visual image of the UI of the app following the opening animation is a pretty good idea IMO.
Has anyone here used the Desire HD? I would think with the 768MB of RAM on that badboy this would be less of a problem.
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I've now installed Enomther's Official rom - what a difference to the speed of the phone! It absolutely flies, even when clocked at a lower CPU speed, and it appears to retain stuff in memory a lot better than the standard Sense rom. Also, there's over 100MB more of free RAM afte a fresh boot.
I'm definitely sold on the efficiency of stock Android, but I'm now missing some of my HTC goodies... I don't think anyone can deny that the HTC dialler is a different level to the rudimentary Android one. And I am missing my HTC browser - that seems a bit smoother, and the text reflow is more reliable, the stock browser seems a bit temperamental on that front.
Other than that, I can live without all the other Sense stuff. So my next question is, can the dialler and browser be installed on my new rom? Do they have any dependencies which would prevent me using them? How would I go about ripping the apps from the HTC rom? I'm an ADB noob so I need some kind expert to tell me how
Hi there
So this is my first android device and i was wondering if there's an actual advantage when you completely close apps (swipe them off in the multitasking button screen), as opposed to just let them keep running in the background.
Will the phone use less battery / be faster if you swipe the apps off there? Or is there no noticable difference at all?
Thanks!
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Hi there
Will the phone use less battery / be faster if you swipe the apps off there?
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Yes.
also easier to multitask.
IMO, you should let the built-in memory manager do its job. Free memory is wasted memory, so it will be filled with something else. In fact, the phone could be even slower, especially if you reopen the app.
I don't believe (swipe them off in the multitasking button screen) actually closes/exits the app. I believe it only removes it from the history of open apps.
It would help if for example, you are loading a huge web Page, your signal is bad and u lock your phone. In the background the app will be active = battery + wakelocks
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Closing app will theoretically increase the battery life, but I personally didn't notice too much on battery unless I have like huge game or page loaded up on the background. I close the apps anyways because it makes multitasking with the recent menu much quicker and less cluttered.
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Usually it will close the app in the sense that when you restart it, you have to begin from its home screen. I do this when I do on Facebook, say I try to load something and give up, instead of simply going to home I'll close the app. The reason being is because I find Facebook just continues to try do what it was doing after I've left if, and if I have bad signal or its just being plain stupid it will just continue and start eating up cpu time. So I guess you can close apps to ensure its not trying to run user actioned tasks even after you close it.
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aletto said:
IMO, you should let the built-in memory manager do its job. Free memory is wasted memory, so it will be filled with something else. In fact, the phone could be even slower, especially if you reopen the app.
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the multitasking view is an exception though, you can safely use it as its not the same as forceclosing, it simply sends a couple of events to the app and it can heed them or not - it may give androids memory manager a hint on what you need and what you dont, though (which should in theory make it better, not worse or slower). well and youre not multitasking at all if you dont use swipe out, the entire function will become a meaningless/useless bunch of apps without your management.
Closing apps can have its advantages and disadvantages..For instance...The Netflix application continues to run in the background even after clicking exit from within the app...The only way to completely close it is by swiping it off on the recent apps tray or by using a task manager
ADVANTAGES:
More free ram= no lag
Less open apps= lesser battery drain
DISADVANTAGE S:
Closing an important system app can cause lags or other problems.
Some user apps that run in the backgroung e.g widgets... will restart automatically thereby making your processor work more
Basically, the best way to handle this is to close only apps you no longer need to use and never use autokill feature built into task managers except u are sure the essential apps are in the task managers ignore list..
The performance of this device is almost perfect. I installed Nova and got everything running incredibly smooth, but the small gripe I have is with the phone and messaging app. When opening from new memory, there's a slight delay in loading the information. Has anyone found a way to speed this up? I'm wondering if rooting and flashing will help. It's by no means bad, just an area that if improved would make the experience 10/10.
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The performance of this device is almost perfect. I installed Nova and got everything running incredibly smooth, but the small gripe I have is with the phone and messaging app. When opening from new memory, there's a slight delay in loading the information. Has anyone found a way to speed this up? I'm wondering if rooting and flashing will help. It's by no means bad, just an area that if improved would make the experience 10/10.
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Out of curiosity, why would you want to open from "new memory"? I mean, don't close the apps in the drawer like a lot of people do and then complain about a slow phone.
Closing the apps use more battery and slows the phone down. Just let everything stay in the multitasking drawer.