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Man, I tested a demo set and the pen was SERIOUSLY off. Whatever I wrote was like a 2-3 pixels off. The only thing the staff could tell me was to send the set for repair if I ever got this issue. They quickly removed the demo set after I showed them the problem. I am pretty sure Samsung is not going to replace the WHOLE screen just for this issue, anyone discovered anything yet?
i have the same problem.
i cant write with this poor precision...
need to recalibrate the s-pen... or the screen, i dont know...
Me to... i hope there is such a thing because if i zoom in a screenshot and draw something the offset is over 3 mm for me
Have none of you realized that this is intentional as a result of left and right hand mode so that you can see the line you are drawing? its not a calibration issue at all.
maybe...
but it's stupid.
i want a perfect precision, not at 2-3mm....
thekiller3 said:
maybe...
but it's stupid.
i want a perfect precision, not at 2-3mm....
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As was mentioned above and in another thread all Wacom tablets/pens behave this way so that you can see what you are drawing, not just the note. It takes some getting used to but after a bit of practice it'll become second nature to you, just like the first few times you use a keyboard in your life and you have to search all over for half a minute for a single key
All that said I would like more options exposed for the pen/digitizer just like you get with a Wacom tablet such as tip feel and tilt sensitivity and calibration. Perhaps we should all send Samsung an email requesting a settings app for the pen, and/or ask Wacom if they intend to build an app for their pens for Android since they might appear on more that just Samsung devices now.
Or maybe we'll have to wait for ICS for proper pen settings. Then again someone crafty on XDA might manage it.
I use a lenovo x220T tablet PC with a wacom. On the computer, it will show a little dot wherever you are hovering over the screen. This dot makes a 1-2 mm offset easily usable. Does the galaxy note have this little dot when you are hovering over the screen? If it doesn't, that's the problem...
Maybe once the SDK is out we can create an application to make this dot visible.
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I use a lenovo x220T tablet PC with a wacom. On the computer, it will show a little dot wherever you are hovering over the screen. This dot makes a 1-2 mm offset easily usable. Does the galaxy note have this little dot when you are hovering over the screen? If it doesn't, that's the problem...
Maybe once the SDK is out we can create an application to make this dot visible.
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Haven't seen the hovering dot for pen in apps I've tried so far
I also use a x220t and wish the calibration capability was available on the Note.
have you noticed that you can switch the screen from switching off by keeping the stylus about half a cm from the screen.. the stylus seems to have a method of interacting with the note without touching..
I keep reading on here that the S Pen is meant to be pressure sensitive.
Well, on mine if I lightly stroke it across the screen nothing appears. Sometimes the line may start about 3 cms across, which is pretty useless.
I have to apply quite a bit of pressure to draw a line or write, which totally defeats the purpose of the so called pressure sensitivity.
Is there any way of testing this out fully?
Get the exact S-Pen pressure live value
I don't know if you can apply this on default ROM, but on all ICS custom ROMs i tried so far, there is an option:
Enable:
Settings > Developer options > Pointer location
Now you will see a crosshair showing the position if you touch by finger or by S-Pen. In the upper end of your screen you'll notice a transparent bar, showing some numbers. The far right one "Size: " is just for finger actions, which will meausre the size of the finger/surface you put on the screen. One number left "Prs:" means pressure. You will notice, that you can slightly press with your S-Pen and vary the pressure value from 0.01 to 2.5
All apps which recognizes this number are so-called "S-Pen pressure sensitive".
The thing I've noticed is that neither S-Memo nor any 3rd party S-Pen compatible app will resolve this number to more than two different pressure levels:
low pressure, high pressure. At least S-Memo, FreeNote, SuperNote, Jotter and Infinite Paint do only differ in these two modes. So a line can be thick or thin, but nothing between. That's NOT what I expect of those apps! They can read the pressure value out by the API, so why don't they resolve the value completely?
Using
Code:
if (pressure<1.0) {line.thin} else if (pressure>=1.0) {line.thick}
isn't cool!
Noticed the same thing here.
underlines said:
You will notice, that you can slightly press with your S-Pen and vary the pressure value from 0.01 to 2.5
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Very interesting because I always thought the Note was "technically" limited to 2 pressure levels, but apparently it's not. Now, which apps (note taking, drawin aps) take advantage of the true range of pressure levels ? It would be nice to know.
Papyrus seems to work better and recognise pressure more. Convinced it works correctly after using that.
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I don't know if you can apply this on default ROM, but on all ICS custom ROMs i tried so far, there is an option:
Enable:
Settings > Developer options > Pointer location
Now you will see a crosshair showing the position if you touch by finger or by S-Pen. In the upper end of your screen you'll notice a transparent bar, showing some numbers. The far right one "Size: " is just for finger actions, which will meausre the size of the finger/surface you put on the screen. One number left "Prs:" means pressure. You will notice, that you can slightly press with your S-Pen and vary the pressure value from 0.01 to 2.5
All apps which recognizes this number are so-called "S-Pen pressure sensitive".
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I can also see this (using midnote1.0), very interesting. However I can only get it to go from 0.0 up to approx 0.80.... I am not comfortable to press any harder with the s-pen, for fear of breaking it.
edit- it is also interesting to note that when using your finger, the pressure reading is dependent on the area of your finger touching the screen....whereas when using the s-pen it is dependent on the true pressure applied.
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Papyrus seems to work better and recognise pressure more. Convinced it works correctly after using that.
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+1, works better than the standard s-memo app.
I am not sure how others take notes and avoid this issue, but when I attempt to take notes on the Note, almost always my palm touches the "Menu" or the "Back" capacitive button and the note in progress either gets saved or cancelled.
I was looking forward to writing on the note extensively for note-taking, but it seems impossible with the palm touching the capacitive buttons. Would a developer with know-how on this subject look into disabling the capacitive buttons while taking notes with the S Pen and the palm placed on the screen, or devise another solution? Thanks for exploring this issue in advance.
Please note:
Anyone commenting on this thread, I appreciate your intentions, but please DO NOT suggest ANY OTHER APP. I am purely focused on the S Note and Memo apps.
Well there is a way to disable the buttons on many roms already. Are you talking about a way to do it while unrooted? And are you trying to keep the touchwiz interface and use the smemo app??
No, You can turn the light off, but the button sup works. I think he wants to disable then completely.
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No, You can turn the light off, but the button sup works. I think he wants to disable then completely.
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Yes, I was wondering if the buttons can be disabled completely while taking notes, regardless of the ROM. Taking notes while the palm is lifted off the screen is just not natural and am not sure how Samsung saw people writing like that.
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incisivekeith said:
I am not sure how others take notes and avoid this issue, but when I attempt to take notes on the Note, almost always my palm touches the "Menu" or the "Back" capacitive button and the note in progress either gets saved or cancelled.
I was looking forward to writing on the note extensively for note-taking, but it seems impossible with the palm touching the capacitive buttons. Would a developer with know-how on this subject look into disabling the capacitive buttons while taking notes with the S Pen and the palm placed on the screen, or devise another solution? Thanks for exploring this issue in advance.
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There are few apps in the market that have palm reject feature. This will disable the capacitive buttons.
Even the standard s memo should have this feature.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24989757&postcount=4537
here is a script to disable the capitative buttons, it works perfectly on stunners rom ( haven't tried on any others ) and with the euphoria control you can disable the lights so those buttons are gone forever
I think this issue has been addressed in the new ICS stock ROM. For example, if you use your finger to press the capacitive button in S Memo, the button will work as intended. But if you place your entire palm on the right-lower part of the screen (including the capacitive button), the button doesn't respond. I just tried writing a long note with my palm resting on the screen and the capacitive button, and the app was working fine.)
I don't know if it makes a difference, but in the S Memo settings, I had set the screen to only respond to S Pen edits. Just FYI.
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I think this issue has been addressed in the new ICS stock ROM. For example, if you use your finger to press the capacitive button in S Memo, the button will work as intended. But if you place your entire palm on the right-lower part of the screen (including the capacitive button), the button doesn't respond. I just tried writing a long note with my palm resting on the screen and the capacitive button, and the app was working fine.)
I don't know if it makes a difference, but in the S Memo settings, I had set the screen to only respond to S Pen edits. Just FYI.
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Setting the screen to respond to just the pen helps a lot actually, but as you slide down while writing, the palm becomes less of a palm surface and touches the back button and the note gets saved. So it would greatly help of someone can disable the capacitive buttons altogether until some action is taken to wake them up.
The script suggested in the post above seems like an option but a simpler solution would be great.
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incisivekeith said:
I am not sure how others take notes and avoid this issue, but when I attempt to take notes on the Note, almost always my palm touches the "Menu" or the "Back" capacitive button and the note in progress either gets saved or cancelled.
I was looking forward to writing on the note extensively for note-taking, but it seems impossible with the palm touching the capacitive buttons. Would a developer with know-how on this subject look into disabling the capacitive buttons while taking notes with the S Pen and the palm placed on the screen, or devise another solution? Thanks for exploring this issue in advance.
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It will be nice if someone can help to disable this annoying button.
There's no way to detect the palm everywhere - it would require quite a few painful changes in AOSP.
There is obviously a way to disable capacitive buttons totally, but you'd need to reboot to toggle.
As I said before since the later releases of GB rom , when using s memo , there is an auto detect feature which rejects palm and also disables the capacitive buttons.
Try pressing the capacitive button with the s pen close to the screen.
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aalupatti said:
As I said before since the later releases of GB rom , when using s memo , there is an auto detect feature which rejects palm and also disables the capacitive buttons.
Try pressing the capacitive button with the s pen close to the screen.
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I confirm. I'm on official ics and the capacitive buttons are disabled when the pen is too close to the screen (and it's anywhere not only in smemo)
Now, I got the trick. Usually I put my palm before the pen reaches the screen.
User should put the pen then they can put his palm wherever he wants, nothing will happen both buttons are disabled.
TEST in ICS official LPY.
Thanks a lot.
Damn ... This was what i trying to say from the begining...
yyl said:
I think this issue has been addressed in the new ICS stock ROM. For example, if you use your finger to press the capacitive button in S Memo, the button will work as intended. But if you place your entire palm on the right-lower part of the screen (including the capacitive button), the button doesn't respond. I just tried writing a long note with my palm resting on the screen and the capacitive button, and the app was working fine.)
I don't know if it makes a difference, but in the S Memo settings, I had set the screen to only respond to S Pen edits. Just FYI.
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Thanks buddy. Now I can take notes with my palm resting.
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iT iS Me said:
Now, I got the trick. Usually I put my palm before the pen reaches the screen.
User should put the pen then they can put his palm wherever he wants, nothing will happen both buttons are disabled.
TEST in ICS official LPY.
Thanks a lot.
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I understand what you and alupatti are saying but when I am writing on the screen, the palm will slide down and it's not always you can focus on placing your pen first on the screen.
Thanks xplodwild for your input, too, as a developer. It just seems like a case of poor design which we are stuck with, unfortunately, until there is a real solution.
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incisivekeith said:
I understand what you and alupatti are saying but when I am writing on the screen, the palm will slide down and it's not always you can focus on placing your pen first on the screen.
Thanks xplodwild for your input, too, as a developer. It just seems like a case of poor design which we are stuck with, unfortunately, until there is a real solution.
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The pen need not be on the screen. It activates when the pen is a few mm away from the screen
It might look silly but consider taking notes with your phone upside down. That way the evil capacitive buttons won't get in the way
Disable buttons
Check my sig....flashable zip to disable and re-enable the back and menu button.
Doesn't affect the lights, just the functionality of the buttons.
@tremeron. Do you think your disable buttons flash zip can be adapted like a on/off switch on toggle bar or somehing like that?
Is there any way to disable the s-pen hover function on the galaxy note? In many apps I get s-pen clicks all over the place, completely unintentionally, because the screen detects the pen hovering close to the screen and reads it as clicks. This is really annoying and I need to turn it off. Most of the time I only want the screen to register my actual clicks with the pen, not the hovering.
bo1e said:
Is there any way to disable the s-pen hover function on the galaxy note? In many apps I get s-pen clicks all over the place, completely unintentionally, because the screen detects the pen hovering close to the screen and reads it as clicks. This is really annoying and I need to turn it off. Most of the time I only want the screen to register my actual clicks with the pen, not the hovering.
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There is an option under Settings> Pen Settings> Hovering pen icon..try disabling it & see if it helps..
Did try that, it only turns on and off the icon or dot showing where the pen is hovering. It does not change the behaviour of registering clicks when just hovering or even just having the s-pen close to the screen. When I got my Note it already had android 4.0.4, but from what I read, the Note did'nt even have the hover functionality before it got ICS. In my opinion the whole hover-thing is flawed, on my Note anyway. Sometimes it responds to hovering with clicking everything, and sometimes it don't.
Your pen is slightly bugged out. Try shaking it a little or gently tapping the front end of the pen (where the tip is) against your hand.
The pen point still has a contact made inside the pen and causes phantom presses.
The pressure sensor may be stuck. Does it draw a line in S Memo when hovering? The line is supposed to get thicker when you press harder and no line at all when not pressing. When the Note first came out, a lot of people had the problem. There were fixes.
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I'm having issues with my note 3. It keeps drawing a line while hovering on text documents? Please what do I do?
So I realized with the Note4 taking a screenshot with the Note 4 got a little more annoying.
On the Note3, I can pull out the S-Pen, hold the S-Pen button and press and hold on the screen to screenshot.
This no longer works on the Note4. You need go select from the s-pen functions and it will take the screenshot and make go through a few steps before saving.
I just tried it on my note 3 and it did a screen write, where it took a screen shot and went into a screen edit mode where I can write on the image. So its the same as pressing the button on the stylus and selecting "Screen write". Which is the same on both note 3 and note 4. The only thing that they seem to have taken out is being able to do a screen write by the method you mentioned. Which was redundant anyway. Also that function is now for multi-select like a mouse function. So if you hold the button in email, or gallery, then you can drag the stylus up or diagonally across the screen to select mulitple email or images at one time.
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I like it. Works great
NOTE 4
I understand you wanting to use the spen function but why not just swipe your hand across the screen to take a screenshot, a lot faster imo; just my 2¢...
Or disable option for editing when you take screen shot
My fingers are crossed that gmd or some of the other devs that had previously made tools relative to the spen will get cracking on the newest code. That way we can customize it to whatever we like best. I was thinking the same thing with the screenshot stuff.
Home+power does the trick, no pen required.
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