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does anybody else notice too much heat at the bottom of its g1
all of them are, ive had 2 with the sam prob, only when charging and constant non stop use (wen i first got them!) now, its only when its charging, once i plug it out, it cools down.
magicman1987's analysis is incomplete and inaccurate.
Heat is caused by three things; the friction between electrons and conductors, and infrared heat from light sources, the latter of which would be negligible and due to the screen and other LEDs. Electron friction is the primary culprit and occurs due to the following;
1) battery charging *AND* discharging -- lots of electrons are moving fast. Electron friction. MAJOR source of heat.
2) device usage - CPU, wireless radios, etc. Electron friction. Note that the CPU and cell network radios are located in the area you are complaining about getting hot. MAJOR source of heat.
This is all normal and is nothing to worry about.
thanks for the quick reply. another problem that concerns me. is that my speaker some times stops working and i was wondering if the heat have something to do with..
lbcoder said:
magicman1987's analysis is incomplete and inaccurate.
Heat is caused by three things; the friction between electrons and conductors, and infrared heat from light sources, the latter of which would be negligible and due to the screen and other LEDs. Electron friction is the primary culprit and occurs due to the following;
1) battery charging *AND* discharging -- lots of electrons are moving fast. Electron friction. MAJOR source of heat.
2) device usage - CPU, wireless radios, etc. Electron friction. Note that the CPU and cell network radios are located in the area you are complaining about getting hot. MAJOR source of heat.
This is all normal and is nothing to worry about.
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Geez, I think I earned enough credits reading that to obtain a MS EE.
jashsu said:
Geez, I think I earned enough credits reading that to obtain a MS EE.
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lmao!!! ...i have also wondered why the g1 at times got so dam hot!! thanks for the info lbcoder!!
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does anybody else notice too much heat at the bottom of its g1
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Probably yours dream has a hard on. It happens...
The way to fix it is to put it over an Nokia N95 or HTC Magic, Connect them both with a USB and then rub them together for about 2 minutes. Increase the speed of the motion and dont' worry if they start vibrating.
After that, let them rest for a while and you're good to go.
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Hi guys,
last week I went for holiday in London.
At the airport, when leaving, before the x-ray checkin I used the phone and all worked fine, after the x-ray I looked at the phone and it was dead...it didn't switch on using the hang-off call button and nothing..they only way was to take away the battery and reinstall it...than It restarted wihtout problem....btw I thought that was some kind of bug and didn't give it too much importance.
Than when I come back, again before the check-in I used the phone without problem with the wi-fi airport, then check-in and when I tryed to switch it on again the phone was again dead!!! So I remember what happend just the week before when I was at the airport and start to think that when the HTC HD2 is x-rayed for some strange reason it stop working and freeze...and the only way to make it running again it's to take away the battery and reinsert...
The phone of my wife (a Nokia) hadn't any problem...and to be honest I never had problem with all my previous phone....(I had an HTC P3600 before and never had problem with x-ray).
So, did you have the same problem?
Luca
I had a succesion of devices fail on me. The only common factor was that each had been through airport security within 24 hours of failing. The scanner is supposed to be safe but make of this what you will. My HD2 has been through the same airport 3 times and it is still fine.
Your not actually supposed to expose any electronic device to any sort of radiation while it's turned on. Especially Gamma, xray or EM (electromagnetic).
I'm very surprised that they are making you xray your phone these days. It's been a little over 10 years since i was in an airport and back then they asked you to prove it worked by turning it on. I guess things have changed a bit since then.
As a case in point though, if your abit handy with computers take the side off, stick your phone in there and just very gently touch one of the chips on the motherboard. You'll notice your pc will hang. This is because the EM radition emitted from the GSM antenna screws with the chips on the motherboard.
So remember for next time. Turn your phone off and pull the battery till you get out of the immediate area of the xray machine
That's odd. I've been through many airports with many different phones and none have ever suffered as a result.
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Your not actually supposed to expose any electronic device to any sort of radiation while it's turned on. Especially Gamma, xray or EM (electromagnetic).
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i seen a video some time ago on youtube where someone left their point n shoot camera in video record mode and put it though the xray scanner. you could visibly see "electrical noise" in the recorded video as it passed though the xray beam.
safe to assume this will happen in phone too, so any data being processed or written into ram or maybe even flash as the phone is bombarded with xrays has a potential for corruption. like you said its probably best to remove all power to any device with important info, or atleast reboot it afterwords just to make sure there isnt any corrupt data sitting in ram
actually now that i think of it dram is constantly being refreshed, so there's constant data between the chip set and ram modules. all kinds of chances for xrays to corrupt data there
So would it be best if we turn our HD2 off when passing through xray machine?
Everything gets x-rayed now, without exception. I always remove the batteries before security. Note that my airline only allows 2 spare (ie. loose) LiON batteries. I haven't been hassled by this.
enyaj said:
So would it be best if we turn our HD2 off when passing through xray machine?
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Id suggest a battery pull, even when asleep the phone is still partially on, and the RAM is always active because it would loose data if it wasn't
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Id suggest a battery pull, even when asleep the phone is still partially on, and the RAM is always active because it would loose data if it wasn't
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Slightly off topic but i feel sorry for those suckers that pass through those x-ray machines with the laptop they just put into standby or hibernate. Say good bye to the hard drive!
Strange. I'm a frequent flyer, my HD2 went through x-ray scanners many times, always on, and I have never experienced such problem...
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Slightly off topic but i feel sorry for those suckers that pass through those x-ray machines with the laptop they just put into standby or hibernate. Say good bye to the hard drive!
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I dont see how xrays would damage the magnetic media any more so being on or off. I could however see the memory dump file being corrupted if the laptop was still in the process of hibernating as it passed though the xray beam, since the xrays would get at data being processed in the HDs onboard DSP, cache or bus cable
i would think there would be a better chance of xrays damaging data stored on flash memory and SSDs than magnetic media, especially as the lithographic processes shrink to create the flash memory chips
I dont understand why do hospital keep wasting funds on please turn of your mobile posters in the hospitals when people like you dont bloody read it and then go cry on XDA. You not meant to expose any phone to radiation!! jeez
seriously
evolutionqy7 said:
I dont understand why do hospital keep wasting funds on please turn of your mobile posters in the hospitals when people like you dont bloody read it and then go cry on XDA. You not meant to expose any phone to radiation!! jeez
seriously
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Trust me the hospitals don't give a **** what their radiation producing equipment does to your phones or any other portable devices, they are worried about a 1watt maybe a little more transmitter inducing stray currents in their sensitive electronics.
Though you would think now a days they would take cellphones and other transmitting devices into account when developing medical hardware, especially when you consider how much hospitals pay for this hardware. I could see medical hardware in a hospital a decade and a half ago not being hardened against transmissions, since it was relatively uncommon back then. in my opinion it would be sheer incompetence from a hardware maker today not to take that into account and test for it when developing a piece of hardware.
There is also the added benefit that newer cell technology seems to induce less or no interference in other nearby equipment, and possibly use less transmit power. for example GSM/iDEN phones put next to audio equipment would almost always create noise from the signals. newer 3G/CDMA does not do this. I remember other technologies TDMA i think when placed near a CRT monitor would make the monitor look as if it were being degaussed
krzyzag said:
Strange. I'm a frequent flyer, my HD2 went through x-ray scanners many times, always on, and I have never experienced such problem...
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Keep praying, you might stay lucky!
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I dont see how xrays would damage the magnetic media any more so being on or off. I could however see the memory dump file being corrupted if the laptop was still in the process of hibernating as it passed though the xray beam, since the xrays would get at data being processed in the HDs onboard DSP, cache or bus cable
i would think there would be a better chance of xrays damaging data stored on flash memory and SSDs than magnetic media, especially as the lithographic processes shrink to create the flash memory chips
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SSD's were exactly what i was refering to but if a laptop is in hibernate mode then the RAM image is stored right at the start of the disk. If the drive has any power to it at all you run the risk of seriously damaging the electronics in it. Remember all disk drives -HDD's, SSD's etc - still have controller boards on them
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Trust me the hospitals don't give a **** what their radiation producing equipment does to your phones or any other portable devices, they are worried about a 1watt maybe a little more transmitter inducing stray currents in their sensitive electronics.
Though you would think now a days they would take cellphones and other transmitting devices into account when developing medical hardware, especially when you consider how much hospitals pay for this hardware. I could see medical hardware in a hospital a decade and a half ago not being hardened against transmissions, since it was relatively uncommon back then. in my opinion it would be sheer incompetence from a hardware maker today not to take that into account and test for it when developing a piece of hardware.
There is also the added benefit that newer cell technology seems to induce less or no interference in other nearby equipment, and possibly use less transmit power. for example GSM/iDEN phones put next to audio equipment would almost always create noise from the signals. newer 3G/CDMA does not do this. I remember other technologies TDMA i think when placed near a CRT monitor would make the monitor look as if it were being degaussed
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Most UK hostipals are so underfunded that they are still using that ancient kit. It's only in the last 2 years that the newer kit has been coming in and the restrictions have started to shift. If your american then there is no issue. They are so overfunded they complain that they have no idea how to spend all the money
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Keep praying, you might stay lucky!
Most UK hospitals are so underfunded that they are still using that ancient kit. It's only in the last 2 years that the newer kit has been coming in and the restrictions have started to shift. If your american then there is no issue. They are so overfunded they complain that they have no idea how to spend all the money
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All medical equipment used in UK hospitals must be CE marked. The CE mark on this equipment means that it must be able to perform with out being effected by radio waves.
The original ban in UK hospitals was because of the old analogue mobile phones, that used to pump out their signal at full strength. Not once did they ban the pagers that the medics used or the walkie talkies that the porters used - and they really pump out a massive signal.
My mate was modify monitoring computers at patient's beds in and Intensive Care Unit. He made quite a few mobile phone calls and noticed that it didn't effect the monitoring equipment once. And this was done on the 9th to the 11th of September 2001.
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Trust me the hospitals don't give a **** what their radiation producing equipment does to your phones or any other portable devices, they are worried about a 1watt maybe a little more transmitter inducing stray currents in their sensitive electronics.
Though you would think now a days they would take cellphones and other transmitting devices into account when developing medical hardware, especially when you consider how much hospitals pay for this hardware. I could see medical hardware in a hospital a decade and a half ago not being hardened against transmissions, since it was relatively uncommon back then. in my opinion it would be sheer incompetence from a hardware maker today not to take that into account and test for it when developing a piece of hardware.
There is also the added benefit that newer cell technology seems to induce less or no interference in other nearby equipment, and possibly use less transmit power. for example GSM/iDEN phones put next to audio equipment would almost always create noise from the signals. newer 3G/CDMA does not do this. I remember other technologies TDMA i think when placed near a CRT monitor would make the monitor look as if it were being degaussed
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most digital signals are now shielded against in medical equipment.
Analog signals on the other hand (walkie talkie's)....
Ive never had any problems with x-raying the phone when i worked on an airport here in Sweden. I had to x-ray it every day before work.
Where I work, there isn't any equipment that can be harmed by phones. There are x-ray machines but nothing I own has been harmed by them. Then again, I don't go anywhere near them myself. If a a patient's phone is fried, tough. We do have signs saying that phone use is forbidden but not because they will cause damage.
No, the problem is patient's who answer their phone during treatment. You really wouldn't believe some of the situastions I been in when someone has whipped out their mobile and started talking (or tried talking; I work on the head end!) Worse still are some of the ring tones. A really loud scream coming from a pocket does nothing to steady my hand.
I work in an airport, have done for the last six years and everyday my phone goes through the xray machine.
Never thought about it before but will certainly start turning it off just in case.
Sitting here with a broken hand, had numerous xrays done, phone was in the vicinity and on standby. No problems so far (touch wood).
Figured I would make a thread for it since I don't see one. Interested to see what you all think.
I can see the legitimacy of the claim considering the strength of the signals right next to your head. However for this to actually be proven will take time, a lot of it. If you use a cell phone constantly then investing in a bluetooth headset couldn't hurt,, but periodic use could be no worse than a day at the lake or beach.
Disclaimer : I am not a medical professional but a software developer, so these opinions are pure drivel and have no scientific basis other than knowing the scientific method and keeping my mind open to the possibility.
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Cause, doubtful.
Contribute, of course!
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There's been zero scientific studies that show any connection between cellphone use and any sort of cancer. Electro-sensitivity has also been entirely discredited, as people "suffering" from it were shown to have absolutely zero heightened ability to detect any sort of electrical field (which is probably a good thing, since the earth has a freaking massive one all around it).
It seems highly dangerous for the WHO to make any sort of statements like this without evidence to back it up. This is really just a political, not scientific, move.
>implying anybody puts their phones by their heads any more
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(cough) bull****! (cough)
havent we figured out now that everything will give you cancer
**** some asshats will tell you inorganic fruit and veggies will kill you! Haha I just laugh and wait for the air I breathe to give me cancer
Im sure somebody has a study that says it will
(cough) @!#% (cough)
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Living gives you cancer, dying doesn't. Being dead is the only way to be sure you won't get cancer, unless of course you had it when you died, then, I don't really know what hope you have
It doesn't take a genius to realize electromagnetic waves (radio) converge at our cell phone antennas and some of that energy is absorbed into our cells, closer to the antenna equals more absorption...since energy turns to heat obviously our cells are heated up and could damage dna over time...look at your microwave or an xray machine, yes given they are higher energy and lower wavelength they do much more damage but who knows what happens over 60 years of cell phone use if always holding it to the same ear
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Have a buddy who told me that he is cutting down on talk time on the phone cause of this - while he was lighting a cigarette.
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It doesn't take a genius to realize electromagnetic waves (radio) converge at our cell phone antennas and some of that energy is absorbed into our cells, closer to the antenna equals more absorption...since energy turns to heat obviously our cells are heated up and could damage dna over time...look at your microwave or an xray machine, yes given they are higher energy and lower wavelength they do much more damage but who knows what happens over 60 years of cell phone use if always holding it to the same ear
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These same geniuses can also figure out that more electromagnetic radiation (light) is absorbed in 10 minutes outside than likely in years of using a cell phone. Does tv cause cancer? tons of electromagnetic waves there too. I guess im screwed either way! Haha maybe I should take up smoking speed it up a lil!
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droidzach said:
These same geniuses can also figure out that more electromagnetic radiation (light) is absorbed in 10 minutes outside than likely in years of using a cell phone. Does tv cause cancer? tons of electromagnetic waves there too. I guess im screwed either way! Haha maybe I should take up smoking speed it up a lil!
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What a moron this guy is, did he really just try to compare the sun to cell phones? You do realize how easy it is to get skin cancer, right? And actually yes genius, crt screens are known to emit low levels of xrays, unless you're living in the 90's and pinning your ear to your tv you probably don't need to worry...as I said before radio waves converge at an antenna, why do you think there are rf warning signs posted near antenna towers? you clearly aren't very technical, probably isn't the best idea to argue with an engineer
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One, the findings are preliminary, not conclusive. The media needs to learn the difference. Two, everyone who follows even a little science knows cell phones have always contributed to cancer, as well as televisions, monitors, and just about anything electric. How much of a contribution cell phones make is the reason for the study, not IF, as media may confuse. Everyone knows all forms of radiation have a chance of altering the DNA of cells, therefore running the risk of making a cancerous cell, possibly causing full-blown cancer. Note the ifs in that statement. Even smoking cigarettes does not mean you WILL get cancer, it means more cells are modified, increasing the risk. Note the difference.
Anyhow, the study is preliminary, and therefore doesn't mean anything, yet. Prudence advices using your land-line, or bluetooth headset, seeing as it is much lower power, or speakerphone if you must use a cell phone. No matter the finding, cell phones at the ear will never be found good for you, so why wait for a finding to act?
My 14 cents.
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No matter the finding, cell phones at the ear will never be found good for you, so why wait for a finding to act?
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Because if a year of using the cell phone contributes less to your cancer risk than going out just to check your mail in the morning, then it's a colossal waste of time, and effort. There have already been studies attempting to ascertain cell phone usage's contribution to cancer rates, and they've already failed to be able to show any increased risk.
Hell, people still sunbathe even though it's quite common knowledge that that massively increases your odds of getting skin cancer.
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What a moron this guy is, did he really just try to compare the sun to cell phones? You do realize how easy it is to get skin cancer, right? And actually yes genius, crt screens are known to emit low levels of xrays, unless you're living in the 90's and pinning your ear to your tv you probably don't need to worry...as I said before radio waves converge at an antenna, why do you think there are rf warning signs posted near antenna towers? you clearly aren't very technical, probably isn't the best idea to argue with an engineer
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Haha I guess that engineers like this guy are too "technical" to understand simple sarcasm. The topic of this thread is a joke to me and thats all I was saying **** head. Im not afraid of getting cancer from my phone or tv or car radio or microwave or dental x rays or any other form of everyday very very low doses of radiation we encounter. Dont forget about all of the cosmic rays that are flying through your head right now! And you proved my point about the sun being way more dangerous by saying "do you know how easy it is to get skin cancer." (by the way heat is radiation too and is not what alters your cell's dna which is what cancer is) I wasnt arguing anything either where do you see arguments in my post? All radiation is electromagnetic waves right mr "engineer?" Radio waves converge at your car's antenna too, at every antenna. But I guess that im not "technical" enough to know that. Now I have to say this because you are just an asshole, but its very obvious that there are varying levels of radiation for everything some being more harmful than others. Every study that comes out seems to say you can get cancer from this and that. I just happen to think they are bull****. Maybe you "engineers" just need things explicitly stated so you can comprehend. (moron)
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Because if a year of using the cell phone contributes less to your cancer risk than going out just to check your mail in the morning, then it's a colossal waste of time, and effort. There have already been studies attempting to ascertain cell phone usage's contribution to cancer rates, and they've already failed to be able to show any increased risk.
Hell, people still sunbathe even though it's quite common knowledge that that massively increases your odds of getting skin cancer.
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They did the studies with GSM phones where the emitted energy signature is a huge spike relative to CDMA phones where the energy signature is so distributed and ever so nebulous, its damn difficult to even get a DX lock on.
"it's a colossal waste of time, and effort." +1
Remember when people thought cigarettes were good for you? And studies on the effects of prolonged use was incomplete? The studies are too young to give conclusive evidence here as well. People will give you all kinds of insight but ultimately its your life and you can chose to do what you want. You can proceed with caution or you can ignore it and assumed it has no effect. That is pretty much what it will boil down to until long term studies are done.
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Have a buddy who told me that he is cutting down on talk time on the phone cause of this - while he was lighting a cigarette.
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^this. pretty much awesome.
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The study said that the radiation is non-ionizing like that of a micro-wave. The media grabbed at this and said "the cell phone is going to cook your brain." The levels are not enough to "cook" anything. The point of saying that it is non-ionizing is to say that the likelyhood of causing cancer is very low since the types of radiations that cause cancer (like x-rays) are all ionizing. There is no clear evidence that there is a health risk. The media will still try to scare everyone into watching the news by saying "There is no clear evidence that cell phones are completely safe." Twist it which ever way makes your nipplettes perky.
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There is no clear evidence that there is a health risk.
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The Media said:
There is no clear evidence that cell phones are completely safe.
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Now, how is your statement any better than the media? You give unverified reassurance and the media gives unverified fear.
How many years passed before people even realized the effects of lead based paint? How about asbestos insulation? Hell, the first ever x-ray machines were used in shoe stores to judge your foot size! You think people thought they would get cancer from those back then?! I'm sure there were people lining up on both sides of the fence back then, too. All refusing to admit those three most difficult words of the self-assured "I.. don't.. know."
Stop doling out false conclusions when nobody knows the answer, hence preliminary findings. The answer is "We don't yet know enough to have an answer one way or the other." False calming has likely killed many more people than panic.
"Oh, these nuclear weapons tests.. no harm at all. Here, go clean up that green ooze with this here broom and dustpan."
or more recently..
"Formaldehyde is everywhere, we can't just go banning it because it's toxic"
As with anything potentially dangerous.. expose yourself as little as needed and no more.
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As with anything potentially dangerous.. expose yourself as little as needed and no more.
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What are the evidences of the dangerous potential?
I currently have a galaxy S2, I have a case on it pretty much 24/7. I want the Z3 compact as it is the best phone for people who want small phones. I love being able to do everything and reach all parts of my S2 with my hand, I cant do the same with these large 5inch + phones.
Anyway I am hearing reports of cracking on the back,front or even both sides of the phone. Am really scared, because I don't want to just splash out £350 and it breaks after a week. People have been getting cracks while having cases on it even, some people say it cracks while it is in the pocket just randomly.
Basically I really want this phone but I am worried about how easy it is to crack.
I've dropped mine from waist height twice now and had it fall in the crevices of my car seats. No screen protector, phone is still mint.
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I currently have a galaxy S2, I have a case on it pretty much 24/7. I want the Z3 compact as it is the best phone for people who want small phones. I love being able to do everything and reach all parts of my S2 with my hand, I cant do the same with these large 5inch + phones.
Anyway I am hearing reports of cracking on the back,front or even both sides of the phone. Am really scared, because I don't want to just splash out £350 and it breaks after a week. People have been getting cracks while having cases on it even, some people say it cracks while it is in the pocket just randomly.
Basically I really want this phone but I am worried about how easy it is to crack.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjDE8z-_bHU&noredirect=1
http://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-s3/193035-galaxy-s3-cracked-screen-defective-not-dropped.html
http://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-s-ii/132590-galaxy-s2-cracked-screen-normal.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1257090
http://bobmckay.com/life/case-samsung-galaxy-s4-screen-crack
http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/38170?tstart=0
Never buy another smartphone then since they all "have screens break for no reason".
Statistically the chance that yours will crack spontaneously is still very very small. These communities are really very misleading in trying to get a global image of how common a problem is. As I mentioned in another topic, if you were to walk into a hosptal, and make your conclusion about the human species purely based on what you saw in the hospital, you would conclude humans are very sick and crippled species. But once you leave the hospital, you see only healthy people everywhere you look.
My suggestion (also what I am planning on doing)... Wait until after November 3rd, for everyone to get their American Z3 Compact. check this forum a week after to see if the topics about the screen sporadically cracking jump substantially in activity.
If not, I will order by 11.10.14.
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I currently have a galaxy S2, I have a case on it pretty much 24/7. I want the Z3 compact as it is the best phone for people who want small phones. I love being able to do everything and reach all parts of my S2 with my hand, I cant do the same with these large 5inch + phones.
Anyway I am hearing reports of cracking on the back,front or even both sides of the phone. Am really scared, because I don't want to just splash out £350 and it breaks after a week. People have been getting cracks while having cases on it even, some people say it cracks while it is in the pocket just randomly.
Basically I really want this phone but I am worried about how easy it is to crack.
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Not true and do not believe everything you hear and read about this subject. The handling of these machines have to be prudent. If you drop a laptop on the floor for sure nonitor breaks.right.
dropped mine once
been a month approx. no crack nothing. im pretty careful tho..most of the time.
also, no case.
Just a suggestion, can everyone with such issues (or worry, like here) post in one of the dozen threads that already exist on that topic?
Guess that would help to keep the forum somewhat cleaner, thus more readable...
Our forum is a bit "undermoderated"
I'd say the chance of getting a spontaneous crack is about 1:1000 or even less. That would assume 0.1% of phones have the issue. That a far less chance than you going to prison this year (1:200) so I'd say don't worry about it.
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I currently have a galaxy S2, I have a case on it pretty much 24/7. I want the Z3 compact as it is the best phone for people who want small phones. I love being able to do everything and reach all parts of my S2 with my hand, I cant do the same with these large 5inch + phones.
Anyway I am hearing reports of cracking on the back,front or even both sides of the phone. Am really scared, because I don't want to just splash out £350 and it breaks after a week. People have been getting cracks while having cases on it even, some people say it cracks while it is in the pocket just randomly.
Basically I really want this phone but I am worried about how easy it is to crack.
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Hi Hellz
Sorry but I've got a z3 compact and simply can't recommend it. That's a lot to like about it on paper but after mine experienced a modest fall onto carpet, which resulted in the back of the case cracking, I don't want others to suffer the upset that I have. The design is flawed IMO. The choice of materials are inappropriate for typical everyday usage.
Most of the high end xperias seem to use glass front and back . To me, this is insane. It creates a nice aesthetic but is significantly at the cost of practicality. The z3 compact doesn't use dragontail or gorilla glass... or at least Sony do not specify the materials used on their website beyond "tempered glass".
My previous phone was an HTC desire (yes the original one) and this has been dropped on occasion, onto pavements, etc, and one occasion in a carpark (for no other reason than it slipped out of my hand during use). I did not use a case with it and the worst that happened was a crack across one corner of the screen.
There is no way that the z3 compact could tolerate similar drops or falls. I do not consider myself to be careless with stuff but this new phone is a pain in the butt. For example, It WILL slip off surfaces, due to the low friction / high gloss nature of the handset.
If you are determined to get one, you MUST get a case for it.
I waited two years before a handset came on the market with the specifications that I was looking for. I am utterly gutted that mine is now broken, after only having it for a fortnight and it only being subjected to a very modest level of external stress. I did not even drop the phone - it slipped off a surface.
Then there is the issue of self-cracking. This is reasonably well documented and doesn't just apply to the z3 and z3 compact. Sony would have us believe that this only occurs in a small number of cases. I don't think it's common-place but it's happened to enough people for Sony to quietly repair stuff for free, under certain circumstances. Admittedly, Sony only really started doing this after two high profile UK consumer rights organisations / programmes got involved in the matter (watchdog and Which). The impression I get (from anecdotal evidence) is Sony does it grudgingly.
All I'll say is have a look at this xda-dev survey thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/general/sony-xperia-z3-z3-compact-glass-survey-t2900149
What I found interesting is that out of the 439 surveys, 26% reported back of case cracks, compared to 18% of the front screen.
However, of that 26%, over two thirds reported NO impact cracking i.e. there seems to be vastly more people who've experienced self-cracking than drop or fall damage.
Reviews also comment on the phone heating up A LOT during some forms of usage i.e. a possible reason for self-cracking.
Finally, from my personal experience, the camera sounds good on paper but underperforms. Some images look great yet I got pixellation on 20mb images in high light level conditions. I wasn't impressed. I also struggled to get the flash to illuminate a short distance, low light situation properly as well. More annoyingly, my friend had a galaxy S4 and her flash was virtually blindingly bright in the same situation. Then there's the issue about losing camera performance if you decide to root (apparently some of the low light level camera algorithms are DRM protected and the DRM keys get wiped when you root).
I just wouldn't go for a sony handset again - the phone design simply can't handle real-world stresses.
Just to be fair though, the screen's pretty good (in terms of brightness - you really can use it at minimal levels inside, which I'm sure helps massively with battery drain - I'm not commenting on resolution / PPI). I've found the battery performance to be simply great (probably the best feature for me). However, I'm realistic about usage (i.e. I don't have GPS, wireless and data on unless I need it, I typically pop phone into airplane mode overnight, etc - for me the biggest drains on batteries come from the display and the cellular radio). I got 4 days out of it, with approximately 40 mins worth of charging (because of wired syncing with my desktop). Admittedly for the last 30% of battery I put it onto stamina mode. Note this wasn't high level usage, just phonecalls, texts, some browsing, twitter, some facebook / youtube... but definitely not constant, screen-active usage.
The CPU's pretty strong too. Transitions between homescreens is super slick. I've not had slow down at any point. I haven't tried playing games with it though, beyond low-graphically taxing apps. Not too much bloatware and you can disable certainly some of it. Charging is good on it. I've got copilot as my satnav on it and a 1A car charger still produced a net positive charge rate (even though the sony charger is 1.5A). Charging from empty to full, with phone switched off is around 2.5 hours.
I hope this helps you a bit.
Cheers,
Gary
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Hi Hellz
Sorry but I've got a z3 compact and simply can't recommend it. That's a lot to like about it on paper but after mine experienced a modest fall onto carpet, which resulted in the back of the case cracking, I don't want others to suffer the upset that I have. The design is flawed IMO. The choice of materials are inappropriate for typical everyday usage.
Most of the high end xperias seem to use glass front and back . To me, this is insane. It creates a nice aesthetic but is significantly at the cost of practicality. The z3 compact doesn't use dragontail or gorilla glass... or at least Sony do not specify the materials used on their website beyond "tempered glass".
My previous phone was an HTC desire (yes the original one) and this has been dropped on occasion, onto pavements, etc, and one occasion in a carpark (for no other reason than it slipped out of my hand during use). I did not use a case with it and the worst that happened was a crack across one corner of the screen.
There is no way that the z3 compact could tolerate similar drops or falls. I do not consider myself to be careless with stuff but this new phone is a pain in the butt. For example, It WILL slip off surfaces, due to the low friction / high gloss nature of the handset.
If you are determined to get one, you MUST get a case for it.
I waited two years before a handset came on the market with the specifications that I was looking for. I am utterly gutted that mine is now broken, after only having it for a fortnight and it only being subjected to a very modest level of external stress. I did not even drop the phone - it slipped off a surface.
Then there is the issue of self-cracking. This is reasonably well documented and doesn't just apply to the z3 and z3 compact. Sony would have us believe that this only occurs in a small number of cases. I don't think it's common-place but it's happened to enough people for Sony to quietly repair stuff for free, under certain circumstances. Admittedly, Sony only really started doing this after two high profile UK consumer rights organisations / programmes got involved in the matter (watchdog and Which). The impression I get (from anecdotal evidence) is Sony does it grudgingly.
All I'll say is have a look at this xda-dev survey thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/general/sony-xperia-z3-z3-compact-glass-survey-t2900149
What I found interesting is that out of the 439 surveys, 26% reported back of case cracks, compared to 18% of the front screen.
However, of that 26%, over two thirds reported NO impact cracking i.e. there seems to be vastly more people who've experienced self-cracking than drop or fall damage.
Reviews also comment on the phone heating up A LOT during some forms of usage i.e. a possible reason for self-cracking.
Finally, from my personal experience, the camera sounds good on paper but underperforms. Some images look great yet I got pixellation on 20mb images in high light level conditions. I wasn't impressed. I also struggled to get the flash to illuminate a short distance, low light situation properly as well. More annoyingly, my friend had a galaxy S4 and her flash was virtually blindingly bright in the same situation. Then there's the issue about losing camera performance if you decide to root (apparently some of the low light level camera algorithms are DRM protected and the DRM keys get wiped when you root).
I just wouldn't go for a sony handset again - the phone design simply can't handle real-world stresses.
Just to be fair though, the screen's pretty good (in terms of brightness - you really can use it at minimal levels inside, which I'm sure helps massively with battery drain - I'm not commenting on resolution / PPI). I've found the battery performance to be simply great (probably the best feature for me). However, I'm realistic about usage (i.e. I don't have GPS, wireless and data on unless I need it, I typically pop phone into airplane mode overnight, etc - for me the biggest drains on batteries come from the display and the cellular radio). I got 4 days out of it, with approximately 40 mins worth of charging (because of wired syncing with my desktop). Admittedly for the last 30% of battery I put it onto stamina mode. Note this wasn't high level usage, just phonecalls, texts, some browsing, twitter, some facebook / youtube... but definitely not constant, screen-active usage.
The CPU's pretty strong too. Transitions between homescreens is super slick. I've not had slow down at any point. I haven't tried playing games with it though, beyond low-graphically taxing apps. Not too much bloatware and you can disable certainly some of it. Charging is good on it. I've got copilot as my satnav on it and a 1A car charger still produced a net positive charge rate (even though the sony charger is 1.5A). Charging from empty to full, with phone switched off is around 2.5 hours.
I hope this helps you a bit.
Cheers,
Gary
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When drawing conclusions from that survey, you should not ignore that fact that people are far more likely to post about their dissatisfaction than about their satisfaction, meaning that people who are having issues with their device are far more widely respresented on the internet than people who are not having any issues. So if, in that survey, only 17 % of participants had their front glass crack, and 27% had their back glass crack, then the real-world percentages are likely FAR lower than those in the survey and it's all because people with faulty devices are FAR more likely to find the survey than people with devices that don't have any faults.
I've had this phone for a month now and still nothing has cracked. The phone hasn't overheated either. It does feel warm at times, maybe even more than most other phones but that is because glass conducts heat to your skin much faster than plastic does.
I doubt that the design is bad; a faulty batch of glass is a much more likely explanation.
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When drawing conclusions from that survey, you should not ignore that fact that people are far more likely to post about their dissatisfaction than about their satisfaction, meaning that people who are having issues with their device are far more widely respresented on the internet than people who are not having any issues. So if, in that survey, only 17 % of participants had their front glass crack, and 27% had their back glass crack, then the real-world percentages are likely FAR lower than those in the survey and it's all because people with faulty devices are FAR more likely to find the survey than people with devices that don't have any faults.
I've had this phone for a month now and still nothing has cracked. The phone hasn't overheated either. It does feel warm at times, maybe even more than most other phones but that is because glass conducts heat to your skin much faster than plastic does.
I doubt that the design is bad; a faulty batch of glass is a much more likely explanation.
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Thanks for the response @degraaff
Regarding the survey - I get your point but the survey responses did surprise me with the number of users NOT reporting problems. I felt that made the survey far more realistic that, say, typical forum posts, where complaints and problems are more likely to be documented than positive experiences .
My personal experience regarding heat is that the phone has been pretty cool for the vast majority of the time but did experience some noticeable localised heat last night, for no apparent reason - phone had powered up but I had no additional elements active (i.e. wireless, GPS, data, etc, weren't active). I'd expect a relationship between component activity and heat generated. Also, it was noticeable because I'd not noticed it previously.
Regarding the design, I'm sorry but using thin glass on something that is likely to experience impact damage is bad or at very least highly unrealistic design. There's no need to use glass on the rear of a phone, certainly not for visual requirements (i.e. it's not a display). It's an aesthetics and presumably weight decision. I guess it would help radio performance (although I don't know where the antenna is). I believe metal typically attenuates radio signals, so glass would be a good alternative. I guess it comes down to how much priority one gives to the durability of a phone though.
I rang Sony about an hour ago and they gave me a ballpark figure of £40 for repairing the back. This was based on the rep's experience with the cost of replacing a Z2 rear panel. Still a very costly lesson and I think Sony or resellers need to warn customers about the benefits of case protection, given the materials used in construction. I know I'll get flak for saying this (ridiculously unrealistic) but I'd like to think that a retailer (or Sony, if they had the balls to do this) saying "for god's sake, get a protective case for this phone as it's literally made of glass" would lead to more customers respecting them. After all, Sony chose to use glass in the main panel construction. They could even charge a wee bit more and just bundle a case in with the phone. That would potentially cover them and give end-users a choice about protecting their phone from first use.
Cheers,
Gary
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It's an aesthetics and presumably weight decision. I guess it would help radio performance (although I don't know where the antenna is). I believe metal typically attenuates radio signals, so glass would be a good alternative. I guess it comes down to how much priority one gives to the durability of a phone though.
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Sony puts an Apple-esqe priority on industrial design, so one shouldn't be surprised to see them trading ruggedness for aesthetics. Without moving the antennas to the phone body (which is encumbered by several patents), you need a non-metallic back for good RF performance. In addition to looks/feel, glass is vastly superior to plastic for it's thermal properties. It conducts heat 5 - 10 times better than most structural plastics. In a design as compact as the Z3C that is actually a significant technical advantage. That also means that users will notice short duration heat spikes (typically due to the radios having to drive RF power way up to cut through temporary interference) much more than with a plastic housed phone.
The reports of rear glass breakage do appear to be statistically significant, even after you factor in the self-selecting aspect of the survey. But this seems more like an issue with material or production quality, or perhaps insufficient design margin for CTE (coefficient of thermal expansion) mismatches. My Nexus 4 with a glass back has survived two years of use and a half dozen drops with nothing more than the standard Google bumper for protection. So glass can be used effectively. It will be interesting to see if later production Z3Cs (Sony US is expected to start shipping phones next week) fare better than early production.
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Sony puts an Apple-esqe priority on industrial design, so one shouldn't be surprised to see them trading ruggedness for aesthetics. Without moving the antennas to the phone body (which is encumbered by several patents), you need a non-metallic back for good RF performance. In addition to looks/feel, glass is vastly superior to plastic for it's thermal properties. It conducts heat 5 - 10 times better than most structural plastics. In a design as compact as the Z3C that is actually a significant technical advantage. That also means that users will notice short duration heat spikes (typically due to the radios having to drive RF power way up to cut through temporary interference) much more than with a plastic housed phone.
The reports of rear glass breakage do appear to be statistically significant, even after you factor in the self-selecting aspect of the survey. But this seems more like an issue with material or production quality, or perhaps insufficient design margin for CTE (coefficient of thermal expansion) mismatches. My Nexus 4 with a glass back has survived two years of use and a half dozen drops with nothing more than the standard Google bumper for protection. So glass can be used effectively. It will be interesting to see if later production Z3Cs (Sony US is expected to start shipping phones next week) fare better than early production.
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Hey @kopsis
thanks for the input mate.
Just for assistance to others, my manufacture was 14w37 (might have mentioned that earlier) but just for reference.
Not sure that early production comment makes me feel better #labrat :crying: Obviously understand what you mean though.
Have to say z3 compact does feel good in the hand. Really like the way Sony have somehow made the edges (not sides) grippy without being sharp. Pretty easy to hold phone and I reckon the size is just right for one-handed use, although I do have to re-grip with hand to reach farthest corner (top left, as I'm right handed) of screen.
Out of curiosity, when you say bumper, is that just side protection or back too?
Cheers,
Gary
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the survey responses did surprise me with the number of users NOT reporting problems. I felt that made the survey far more realistic
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That's a flawed argumentum a contrario.
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Out of curiosity, when you say bumper, is that just side protection or back too?
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The original N4 bumper was sides only, though the lip extended a millimeter or two beyond the glass in front and back so the glass wouldn't make contact in a low drop to a smooth flat surface. https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_4_Bumper_Black?id=nexus_4_bumper_black&hl=en
It does beg the question, if you're going to sell a phone with glass on both sides, why not have something like this available at launch for the cautious buyers? Even the design purists at Apple made a bumper available upon release of their first front/back glass design (iPhone 4). It doesn't even have to be a great design (leave the aftermarket room to innovate) as long as it gives buyer's a usable option while waiting for something better. Hey, Sony -- PM me if you'd like me to come lead your mobile products division
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That's a flawed argumentum a contrario.
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is this really relevant?
I simply felt that rather than having a survey chock full of negativity, the fact that we had a strong majority of responses which DIDN'T cite problems was indicative that perhaps the survey was more rounded than one might have anticipated.
I would accept on reflection that we don't know whether the distribution of answers is a true reflection of total owners' experiences. Obviously a bigger sample would make the stats more credible.
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kopsis said:
The original N4 bumper was sides only, though the lip extended a millimeter or two beyond the glass in front and back so the glass wouldn't make contact in a low drop to a smooth flat surface. https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_4_Bumper_Black?id=nexus_4_bumper_black&hl=en
It does beg the question, if you're going to sell a phone with glass on both sides, why not have something like this available at launch for the cautious buyers? Even the design purists at Apple made a bumper available upon release of their first front/back glass design (iPhone 4). It doesn't even have to be a great design (leave the aftermarket room to innovate) as long as it gives buyer's a usable option while waiting for something better. Hey, Sony -- PM me if you'd like me to come lead your mobile products division
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agreed. Btw Mr VP Sony Mobile division, perhaps encourage your designers to NOT use glass too Ty very much
HellzHere said:
I currently have a galaxy S2, I have a case on it pretty much 24/7. I want the Z3 compact as it is the best phone for people who want small phones. I love being able to do everything and reach all parts of my S2 with my hand, I cant do the same with these large 5inch + phones.
Anyway I am hearing reports of cracking on the back,front or even both sides of the phone. Am really scared, because I don't want to just splash out £350 and it breaks after a week. People have been getting cracks while having cases on it even, some people say it cracks while it is in the pocket just randomly.
Basically I really want this phone but I am worried about how easy it is to crack.
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We have same question... and still investigate from many Forum Post... I hope I got better answer to pick this phone or not...
worry not dear friends, apparently the guys at another thread has managed to get the people at evolutive labs to make the rhino shield crash guard bumper for the xperia z3 compact!
evolutive labs did one for iphone previously and it got so many backers/pledgers for it....hopefully we can do the same for this one..so come and join in the fun peeps! they need to get 1400 pre-orders before they can start production of this wonderful thing
(sorry you have to edit the link as i could not post url)
Rhino Shield Crash Guard Bumper for iPhone: https www kickstarter.com/projects/1081571316/rhinosheild-crash-guard-slim-impact-bumper-for-iph
PRE-ORDER HERE:
Rhino Shield Crash Guard Bumper for Z3 Compact: http www evolutivelabs.com/pages/crashguard-sony-z3-compact
I am very very happy with Samsung Improvements.
Let me settle your problem above with my humble opinion.
1. No SD Card Support.
Answer :- Dual USB OTG Drive is being produce in this world to solve this issue. I my self is bringing a Strontium Dual USB OTG Drive every where hanging with my keys and it is much more convenient then Micro SD card is because data can be view, used and moved in out easily anywhere and anytime.
Size of a Dual USB OTG Drive is only a 50 Cents.
Weak or Slow Micro SD make the phone juggling in the process of output data and this will affect the phone performance. Thus the more data you had in a phone will decrease your phone battery easily.
2. No Removable Battery / 3. Smaller Battery.
Answer :- Fast Charge is being researched and implemented into Samsung phones where you can charge up the phone easy and fast.
Power Bank is being created in this world to ease battery issue. Slim type of power bank like Xiao Mi 5000 Mah would help user alot. Size wise Xiao Mi 5000 Mah is Same like S6 so you can bring anywhere you can easily and the weight is so so so so light.
Hardware like the Processor and RAM in the phone is being improved so that the hardware would not consume alot of battery life.
Exynos Processor is being refined with smaller die cut size so that the processor wont consume lots of battery while RAM by using LPDDR RAM the voltage is being reduce so that the bettery life would be preserved during usage and sleep mode.
It does not means that higher spec phone need superior big size battery.
4. No dust and water proof.
Answer :- Our eyes would not able to see micro dust and particle where each and every second everything in our world is being infected with dust. It is impossible that our phone would be dust proof unless we lives in quarantine zone that is being clean every 30 minutes.
Water proof is useless feature if you never use that feature at all. How many percentage in this world is utilizing the water proof feature of a smartphone.
Do you know that phone with water proof feature would decrease the phone performance limit in terms of speakers and heat control.
The water proof layer block the speaker and make the speaker sound weak and not load this happen to lots of water proof phone outside in the whole world. With the water proof layer heat in the phone is hard to escape and it makes the phone hardware inside suffer, Therefore the phone hardware will be easily spoil and need to enter SC to repair.
Thus after the phone send to SC repair do you guarantee that the phone is still water proof ?
I can say NO I CANNOT GUARANTEE because once the seal is being tempered there are chance water will leak into the phone.
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Actually this is a reminder for you. You need to do research before you compare a product with another product. Don`t always see the negative side of a product. Be mature by widening the view of a product. There are no perfect things in this world where it can satisfy the unlimited human desire.
I agree! my batchmates (at work) all uses Xperia waterproof phones from Z to Z3 but they wouldn't even let me pour water into their phone they are all afraid it may get damaged ???
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On battery life...samsung simply could've just included a larger battery instead of chasing after Iphone to beat their slimness and of course fixed software bugs which contribute to poor battery life.
I think samsung can achieve much better battery life with software fixes, it isn't that bad, also you can always use fast charging or a powerbank
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On battery life...samsung simply could've just included a larger battery instead of chasing after Iphone to beat their slimness and of course fixed software bugs which contribute to poor battery life.
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But the slimness of the Samsung S6 is what attracted me to the phone (Was a diehard HTC fan before and was going to go LG). I also don't have a problem with battery life, I always get more than a full day of use (charge in the evening between 8-10pm, turn-off charger and use until following day).
Regarding the SD card, I also prefer the high speed of UFS over larger size. Even when I use phones with removable SD cards, I have always carried either OTG SD card reader or OTG doube head USB drive (so I can connect to computers). I wouldn't want to take out my SD card that has all my files on it and connect it to someone elses computer to transfer files or make print outs (90% of the time when I want to transfer files off of my phone).
you can always use fast charging or a powerbank
While I agree with everything here except the SD opinion about slowing the phone down and affecting battery which is nonsense, and the waterproofing which is easy to do and a very useful feature especially on holiday, do we really need a thread telling us what we already know? Of course we have fast charging, but how does that help anyone who's battery is running out when they are out and about? Bigger battery would of been better. Although battery life is comparable with every phone i've had barring Xperia Z3. Powerbanks are a great idea but look stupid hanging out of the bottom of your phone when you're making a call.
I totally agree with you. When I was purchasing I was in doubt about needing the good old fashioned samsung features but.. I just dont need it anymore! I feel perfect with my s6 the way it is. Battery is optimised for a day of full usage and if you need more juice you can charge it up really quickly (clap to samsung, it really takes just a few minutes of fast charging to get a lot of juice) or just have a battery bank with you: these "little" guys are the future, there is a big variety, from smaller and lighter ones to bigger and heavier. I have 2 of them, 1 small 2300mah 1,5 A of output and 1 big guy with 20000mah and 2 usb outs, 1 of 2,1 A and the other 2,4 A and thats amazing!
Water resistant? Come on, the best you can do with a "water resistant" phone is keeping it half a hour at half a meter of water....wooow really useful.
Come on.
I heard good things from Aukey Portable Battery 10000mAh (http://www.amazon.com/Aukey-10000mA...?ie=UTF8&qid=1435617316&sr=8-2&keywords=aukey)
It's cheap, supports QUICK CHARGE (the only one in the industry currently for a portable charger), and it can charge S6 up to 2 and a half times
Regarding the waterproof thing, I'm guessing no one uses their phones outside? Where it rains? I've lost the use of a phone by getting caught out in the rain before. I'm not saying all phones have to be waterproof, but as the technologies are improving, it wouldn't hurt to see it become more common. Oh, and how many of us have had the heart pounding moment when someone spills a drink?
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Regarding the waterproof thing, I'm guessing no one uses their phones outside? Where it rains? I've lost the use of a phone by getting caught out in the rain before. I'm not saying all phones have to be waterproof, but as the technologies are improving, it wouldn't hurt to see it become more common. Oh, and how many of us have had the heart pounding moment when someone spills a drink?
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you know getting caught in a rain storm scenario probably isn't the best example with waterproof argument with this phone, besides the fact who stands outside when it rains and talks on their phone unless they are no where around buildnings, their car or trees. Besides that the ports that are affected by water the most is on the bottom of your phone, which means it would have to rain from the ground up to affect it. Also they make little rubber stoppers that you can plug your headphone jack and charging ports with that would help this even more. I personally think unless your planning on taking a swim with your phone the water proof for most people is over rated. I know other scenarios could happen as accidents always do when you least expect them but that's what insurance/ protection plans is for.
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you know getting caught in a rain storm scenario probably isn't the best example with waterproof argument with this phone, besides the fact who stands outside when it rains and talks on their phone unless they are no where around buildnings, their car or trees. Besides that the ports that are affected by water the most is on the bottom of your phone, which means it would have to rain from the ground up to affect it. Also they make little rubber stoppers that you can plug your headphone jack and charging ports with that would help this even more. I personally think unless your planning on taking a swim with your phone the water proof for most people is over rated. I know other scenarios could happen as accidents always do when you least expect them but that's what insurance/ protection plans is for.
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You don't actually have to be using you phone for rain to be a problem some of us don't drive and have to walk a lot. If an unexpected storm appears, you can get incredibly wet!! The phone that got damaged that I mentioned, was in my pocket. Walking home from work. It is only about 10-15 to walk, too. But the rain was so heavy, when I got home, it looked like I'd been swimming fully dressed.
Let's not forget the buttons, sim slot, microphone and earpiece that are in the upper part of the phone too
I'm not saying that it's common, but from experience, it can happen