I am a little confused about some information I found on Verizon's Note 3 Page. It says that the Note 3 will be a CDMA phone but then lists the following bands:
CDMA Data – 1x and EVDO Rev0/RevA
LTE: B13 (700MHz)
Global Ready (GSM/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900; HSPA/UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz)
(original link: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...t&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=7194)
Does it mean that if sim-unlocked, it can be used internationally, and how, if it doesn't take a sim card? If it can be used internationally, I would much rather buy a Verizon (for the US) instead of AT&T. I use AT&T only because it's a GSM carrier.
I don't have the answer but I can recommend you to contact Samsung wireless. They certainly have much more credibility.
Good luck
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All Verizon 4G LTE devices take SIM cards. They have to, since LTE is based on GSM. Also, historically, Verizon doesn't carrier-lock the LTE/HSPA/GSM part of their 4G LTE phones, so SIM cards from other carriers will work in a Verizon LTE phone out of the box.
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I am a little confused about some information I found on Verizon's Note 3 Page. It says that the Note 3 will be a CDMA phone but then lists the following bands:
CDMA Data – 1x and EVDO Rev0/RevA
LTE: B13 (700MHz)
Global Ready (GSM/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900; HSPA/UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz)
(original link: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...t&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=7194)
Does it mean that if sim-unlocked, it can be used internationally, and how, if it doesn't take a sim card? If it can be used internationally, I would much rather buy a Verizon (for the US) instead of AT&T. I use AT&T only because it's a GSM carrier.
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I found the answer here, by the Answerer #2. The 4G/Data part of a global ready phone is GSM compatible, and only that part can be locked for data internationally; the calling part will still depend on CDMA in other countries. If that information is accurate, I will stick to an AT&T Note 3.
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All Verizon 4G LTE devices take SIM cards. They have to, since LTE is based on GSM. Also, historically, Verizon doesn't carrier-lock the LTE/HSPA/GSM part of their 4G LTE phones, so SIM cards from other carriers will work in a Verizon LTE phone out of the box.
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Truth be told. LTE has more in command with CDMA in terms of radio/air interfaces. It covered within 3GPP standards (GSM then EDGE, the UMTS, HSDPA, etc). Rather than 3GPP2 for CDMA1x and EVDO. That's why Alcatel Lucent had a leg up on LTE since its deployment is more akin (specterally) to CDMA. But they dropped the ball, and except for the US and Some Asian markets, the rest of the world has 3GPP based networks deployed.
the Simple version, is LTE is not directly compatible with any 2G/3G technology, but since its covered in 3GPP, the standards evolved quicker to ensure GSM/EDGE/HSDPA interworking.
And beyond that.. what most people dont know, that interworking doesnt really work that widespread yet. In the US most mobile handsets operate on dual frequencies (especially all VzW models, ATT models are catching up) so they effectively talk CDMA1x and LTE at the same time. iPhones do not support that capability, but GSM has work arounds to allow talk+data.
i'll go back to me hole now
(btw.. anyone with iOS7 and ATT.. what out you've got problems you dont know about when going back forth from 3G to 4G.. I know since at work we talked about how to fix it..
I believe a rumor was that it has the same LTE baseband chip as the iphone 5s so that you could potentially use the Verizon version on AT&T and T-mobile...any truth to that?
incisivekeith said:
I found the answer here, by the Answerer #2. The 4G/Data part of a global ready phone is GSM compatible, and only that part can be locked for data internationally; the calling part will still depend on CDMA in other countries. If that information is accurate, I will stick to an AT&T Note 3.
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Not true, I put a T-Mobile SIM in my Verizon Note 2 and made calls, sent texts, and used data on GPRS, EDGE, and HSPA+.
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Not true, I put a T-Mobile SIM in my Verizon Note 2 and made calls, sent texts, and used data on GPRS, EDGE, and HSPA+.
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I have also done it with an ATT sim on my Verizon note 2.
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geoff5093 said:
Not true, I put a T-Mobile SIM in my Verizon Note 2 and made calls, sent texts, and used data on GPRS, EDGE, and HSPA+.
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I have also done it with an ATT sim on my Verizon note 2.
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Nice! Was this native to the stock Rom or is a custom one needed that has this ability "unlocked"?
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Nice! Was this native to the stock Rom or is a custom one needed that has this ability "unlocked"?
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Stock rom, rooted to allow apn editing.
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Global-ready is basically verizon's way of saying that it has a GSM 3G radio as well as a CDMA radio. That allows the phone to operate in Europe where there is no CDMA service. You can purchase international service from Verizon, or purchase a SIM from a European carrier while overseas. All verizon 4G phones have a GSM 4G radio anyway, because LTE is GSM.
(This means that with an LTE carrier in Europe, any 4G Verizon phone can get data in Europe even if they can't place voice calls (VoIP still possible)).
If I am not wrong with what I am saying, Verizon LTE phones only support LTE BAND: 13, which means that IF you are willing to use 4G with different carrier, they have to support LTE band 13. I have tried to use my Verizon Galaxy Note 2 in South Korea, I was only able to use 3G network via WCDMA, I wasn't able to get LTE service at all. Correct me if I am wrong.
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If I am not wrong with what I am saying, Verizon LTE phones only support LTE BAND: 13, which means that IF you are willing to use 4G with different carrier, they have to support LTE band 13. I have tried to use my Verizon Galaxy Note 2 in South Korea, I was only able to use 3G network via WCDMA, I wasn't able to get LTE service at all. Correct me if I am wrong.
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the different N3 variants due in fact support different LTE bands, so you are correct. Minor point not worth nitpicking from earlier post, GSM is not LTE. they both evolved from the same 3GPP standards body, but portions spread spectrum nature of LTE is more similar to CDMA than GSM.
I went to Korea last October, and they wouldn't allow prepaid 4g LTE. They would only allow 3G for prepaid service.
I had a note 2 rooted and custom rom when I went. I'm a US citizen and you have to wait about 2-3 days before you are allowed to sign up for any plan on what they told me.
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I created this thread because there seems to be some confusion as to the differences between the T-Mobile, Euro, and (soon to arrive) AT&T branded versions of the Galaxy Tab. I'm sure at some point enough information will exist for a proper XDA wiki entry, but for now, we need a thread for each variant with specs, and where possible, hack/flash options, including phone and data connections.
So this will be the US AT&T thread, where we can get the facts straight for those who wish to use AT&T as their carrier with a Galaxy Tab.
THIS THREAD IS FOR US AT&T GSM ONLY, DISCUSSIONS ABOUT CDMA (SPRINT, VERIZON, ETC) SHOULD BE IN ANOTHER THREAD!
Other carrier-specific threads:
US Tmobile Galaxy Tab flashed to make phone calls (currently phone works only, no 3G data)
(I would suggest to moderators that other non-AT&T and CDMA-related posts be removed or moved to a more appropriate thread.)
Alright, for starters, let me post the US AT&T frequency information, so that n00bs can be up to speed.
850 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
850 MHz UMTS/WCDMA/HSPA 3G
1900 MHz UMTS/WCDMA/HSPA 3G
This should be helpful when we discuss the Galaxy Tab specs. I will be re-editing this post as new information comes in.
[future verified information can be placed here]
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Actually, the SGH-I987 version that AT&T is getting has already launched. In Canada. On two carriers.
The Bell version has two model numbers on the back, the GT-P1000M (firmware is different, and presumably less crippled than what AT&T will release, hello sideloading), and the FCC model number of SGH-I987 on the back cover, so the internals are identical to the AT&T unit.
And you missed a few bands, any Galaxy Tab with a SIM card will work on 2100 UMTS as well as 900 and 2100 GSM/GPRS/EDGE.
AT&T should be releasing their branded version of the Galaxy Tab on the 21st (just a few days from this posting). If I understand right (this is where the value of this thread will come into play), the specs for the T-Mobile version are different in terms of the 3G radio frequencies.
IF this is true, then it would mean that if you plan to use AT&T as your US carrier:
You must run an AT&T branded Galaxy Tab
You must run a Euro-spec Galaxy Tab*
*specific procedure for this to work is unverified at this time
Price
At this time, the price for an AT&T branded Galaxy Tab will be $650 from AT&T. It will have two pay as you go plans--$14.99 for 30 days and up to 250MB of storage or $25 for 30 days of up to 2GB. This is similar to how they currently handle the iPad plans.
HOWEVER, as many people here on XDA-devs know, it has always been possible to take a GSM SIM and move from phone to phone, and provided that the frequencies are compatible, the services should carry over and the device change remains largely in the control of the owner. Of course, they can detect the IMEI at the carrier, but in most cases they are not blocking IMEI's. If your device has the right radios and frequencies, it should work. In the past, this has been the case with most devices.
So the question is: Does the Euro-spec Galaxy Tab have the same frequencies as the AT&T branded Galaxy Tab? It should, considering that the specs for the Euro version seem to reflect the same frequencies that AT&T uses.
In theory, getting the software right on the Euro-spec Galaxy Tab should be a matter of flashing a working cooked ROM to enable phone and 3G connectivity.
As of the time of this post, one or two people have managed to get a Galaxy Tab phone service working with AT&T, although I am unsure about 3G.
Again, the purpose of this thread is to clear up these questions, and keep it focused on getting a fully-functional Galaxy Tab on the AT&T carrier. Meaning both phone and 3G working as normal with any other device.
I can confirm that the European Tab works fine on at&t with full 3G and Voice dialing.
It is model GT-P1000
FCC ID: A3LGTP1000
I have been using it for the past few weeks and it seems to support all the required frequencies. It has operated in every mode including (G)PRS, (E)DGE, (3G) and (H)SPA
Stupid question then. Doesn't Canadian Rogers use the same frequencies as AT&T?
They sell Galaxy Tab too right? Does their Galaxy Tab have voice call capability?
I am interested in buying Galaxy Tab that could do 3G on AT&T and can make voice calls so I could use it as my phone ;-)
Technomancer said:
Stupid question then. Doesn't Canadian Rogers use the same frequencies as AT&T?
They sell Galaxy Tab too right? Does their Galaxy Tab have voice call capability?
I am interested in buying Galaxy Tab that could do 3G on AT&T and can make voice calls so I could use it as my phone ;-)
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No voice calling on any of the North American Tabs. The Rogers and Bell units are the same units AT&T will be getting next week.
Can someone post att apn settings
feisley said:
I can confirm that the European Tab works fine on at&t with full 3G and Voice dialing.
It is model GT-P1000
FCC ID: A3LGTP1000
I have been using it for the past few weeks and it seems to support all the required frequencies. It has operated in every mode including (G)PRS, (E)DGE, (3G) and (H)SPA
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However, keep in mond, the EUR does NOT support the 850 3G band, only 1900.
Croak said:
Actually, the SGH-I987 version that AT&T is getting has already launched. In Canada. On two carriers.
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Not to be mistaken with SGH-I897, which is an Eclair (Android 2.1) -based device as far as I can tell:
http://opensource.samsung.com/ ("mobile" section)
shollywood said:
However, keep in mond, the EUR does NOT support the 850 3G band, only 1900.
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feisley said:
I can confirm that the European Tab works fine on at&t with full 3G and Voice dialing.
It is model GT-P1000
FCC ID: A3LGTP1000
I have been using it for the past few weeks and it seems to support all the required frequencies. It has operated in every mode including (G)PRS, (E)DGE, (3G) and (H)SPA
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Interesting news... I bought an unlocked device in Kuwait City and it matches that FCC id number, but it had some Arabic apps loaded onto it, does this mean the euro and middle east versions are the same?
Also, how much of AT&T's network is is 850?? I didnt think the 3G would work back in the states... btw, my home is in the DC area is that helps.. Thanks!
the FCC says the GT-P1000 models support 850 3G
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However, keep in mond, the EUR does NOT support the 850 3G band, only 1900.
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The FCC docs actually say that the GT-P1000L, N, T models do support 850GSM and 850WCDMA(3G):
Type the device's FCC ID info in, (A3L is the manufacturer code for Samsung). Look at the documents in the 824.20 (GSM "850") and 826.40 (WCDMA "850") lower frequency ranges.
The actual test report docs list GT-P1000L and GT-P1000N and a clarification doc from Samsung says the GT-P1000T model is just a renamed L one.
This is great, it's exactly why I wanted to start this thread. SO, one person at least has a Euro-spec (GT-P1000) machine wortking with voice and 3G data on a US AT&T network.
Someone needs to post specs on the GT-P1000. Because right now, it would seem that the P1000 is the best bet for those who want to use FULL functionality on a US AT&T network.
My personal motivation for this thread is to get solid information on what model Galaxy Tab will have full US AT&T functionality (voice and good 3G data connect), and HOW to achieve that (choosing the right Galaxy Tab and flashing the right ROM). Once this is nailed down, I'll buy one. I just need to know which to buy and what to do to it.
Suleeto said:
This is great, it's exactly why I wanted to start this thread. SO, one person at least has a Euro-spec (GT-P1000) machine wortking with voice and 3G data on a US AT&T network.
Someone needs to post specs on the GT-P1000. Because right now, it would seem that the P1000 is the best bet for those who want to use FULL functionality on a US AT&T network.
My personal motivation for this thread is to get solid information on what model Galaxy Tab will have full US AT&T functionality (voice and good 3G data connect), and HOW to achieve that (choosing the right Galaxy Tab and flashing the right ROM). Once this is nailed down, I'll buy one. I just need to know which to buy and what to do to it.
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Not FULLY working on at&t's 3g network. The 850 band for 3g is still missing and 850 is their primary 3g band and it's slowly replacing the 1900 3g band. The reason they changed was because the 850 3g band can cut thru walls better and give you a better 3g signal. I remember when my area had only 1900. My 3g sucked. Very spotty unless I was outside. I instantly noticed when the 850 upgrade took place. Solid 3g even in the darkest areas of my basement @ work. There will be an unlocked 850/1900 3g band version on the tab but it looks like it was pushed off until early 2011. Probably because they knew they would never sell any of the current north american models with the 850/1900 3g bands (bell, rogers & at&t) For what it's worth, you can pre-order that version here:
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=26929
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Not FULLY working on at&t's 3g network. The 850 band for 3g is still missing and 850 is their primary 3g band and it's slowly replacing the 1900 3g band. The reason they changed was because the 850 3g band can cut thru walls better and give you a better 3g signal. I remember when my area had only 1900. My 3g sucked. Very spotty unless I was outside. I instantly noticed when the 850 upgrade took place. Solid 3g even in the darkest areas of my basement @ work. There will be an unlocked 850/1900 3g band version on the tab but it looks like it was pushed off until early 2011. Probably because they knew they would never sell any of the current north american models with the 850/1900 3g bands (bell, rogers & at&t) For what it's worth, you can pre-order that version here:
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=26929
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Who said at&t's primary 3G is 850Mhz?
That is just false information.
Their primary is actually 1900Mhz and they are beefing it up with new 850Mhz towers, not instead of current 1900Mhz existing in infrastructure.
Places who only recently got 3G service might be on 850Mhz but all those who got 3G up until 2 years ago are all 1900Mhz with the addition of 850Mhz.
clubtech said:
Who said at&t's primary 3G is 850Mhz?
That is just false information.
Their primary is actually 1900Mhz and they are beefing it up with new 850Mhz towers, not instead of current 1900Mhz existing in infrastructure.
Places who only recently got 3G service might be on 850Mhz but all those who got 3G up until 2 years ago are all 1900Mhz with the addition of 850Mhz.
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I need to find the artical that says they are slowly changing over the entire 3g network to the 850 band. Stay tuned.
UPDATED: Read on
http://www.intomobile.com/2009/02/24/att-3g-network-going-850mhz-nationwide-by-2010/
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I need to find the artical that says they are slowly changing over the entire 3g network to the 850 band. Stay tuned.
UPDATED: Read on
http://www.intomobile.com/2009/02/24/att-3g-network-going-850mhz-nationwide-by-2010/
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Yea this article and all the others stating the same are copying the same wrong source.
At&t never said they will be replacing 1900mhz with 850mhz...they said they will be ADDING towers and expending their network on 850mhz.
Here in the sf bay area the netwrok is mainly 1900mhz but they are ADDING new 850mhz towers so now we get mixed frequencies in places where signal was bad. They are certainly not removing 1900mhz towers.
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This thread encapsulates my concerns exactly. I want to use my tab as a phone, and am on ATT, so will wait to see how to best implement this agenda before purchasing anything. I have a couple of concerns:
1) I think that the Galaxy Tab forum should be split amongst various carriers, since future roms and such will likely be device specific.
2) Now that more information is coming out with regards to the Nexus s and Galaxy 2, I am wondering whether I should hold out. I do want a large screen, but the development community/google support for the next Nexus phone is hard to pass up... maybe I will buy both!
Regarding splitting up the forums, I don't think that's a good idea. We tried it for the Galaxy S models and it is something of a clusterfuck, and not as much knowledge is being shared IMHO.
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Does any one know if I can use the tmobile G2 with a canadian wireless plan if its unlocked. I have read about all that tri band stuff but its a little above my head.
Thanks!
T-mobile does not have the same 3G/4G bands as Canadian carriers (Bell, Rogers, etc)
You will only get EDGE. If you want 3G/4G go with an unlocked AT&T phone.
and if ive read correctly, you need to go to a carrier that uses gsm (because tmobile phones use gsm)
Umm, not sure what only getting edge means. Does that just mean no data, just voice and texts?
dwang93 said:
Umm, not sure what only getting edge means. Does that just mean no data, just voice and texts?
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As of 2011 there are three levels of data speed that are used and the order goes like this:
4G
3G
EDGE
The speed decreases as you go from 4G to 3G, and EDGE being the slowest.
You will receive data, just not at blazing fast speeds.
From what I understand, T-Mobile uses AWS, of which three carriers here provide: Mobilicity, Wind Mobile, and Videotron.
It's not worth trying to get what EDGE you can from Rogers/Telus/Bell.
* Ontario biased *
I would recommend to get an unlocked ATT phone
So after some research, the G2 is a quad band gsm phone, which means it should work on any GSM based carrier. From what I've seen that would be mainly rogers and fido correct? Or are there cheaper alternatives?
Also I looked into the AWS but I'm not sure if my g2 is compatible with AWS. It seems as if tmobile uses both. Does that mean my phone is compatible with GSM and AWS? I'm wondering if you could confirm this Ariel?
Also I will be in the montreal area.
Yes. It will work but the G2 doesn't have the same 3G bands as Rogers. That means you'll only get EDGE which, by personal experience, sucks. I'm not sure about Fido, though.
k, what about an aws service like videotron? That should work as well correct?
So...it's probably safe to say that everyone in this forum knows about the 7 year roaming deal that AT&T has signed with T-Mobile. Does anyone have any ideas on when that will happen? And the big question...will the iPhone technically be able to be used on 3G with T-Mobile? Yes, it would only work while roaming, but would it not work for some reason? A T-Mobile rep brought up the question and I thought it was a good question. I'd like it to bring in revenues for T-Mobile...but I love my fast speed I get with T-Mobile, and 10 gazillion iPhones would do nothing but harm for that.
**Updated** Please, if anyone can check their Android phone (via *#0011#) and post if it says band II along with the city you're in at the time that it shows it! We need to find out which cities have been refarmed to 1900MHz for 3G/4G.
So, go forth and discuss
List of pentaband UMTS devices:
T-Mobile Galaxy S II (T989)
Nokia N8 and N9
T-Mobile Vibrant (T959)
Galaxy Nexus (HSPA version)
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It'd be 2G roaming. The carriers' 3G networks are incompatible. While AT&T devices will work on T-Mobile's EDGE data, it shouldn't be common enough to impact our speeds much. The only way this could possibly happen is if both AT&T and T-Mobile started selling exclusively pentaband HSPA devices. Which would be awesome on so many levels.
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It'd be 2G roaming. The carriers' 3G networks are incompatible. While AT&T devices will work on T-Mobile's EDGE data, it shouldn't be common enough to impact our speeds much. The only way this could possibly happen is if both AT&T and T-Mobile started selling exclusively pentaband HSPA devices. Which would be awesome on so many levels.
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It's 3G, check Engadget. I'm sure it's 2G as well. And I know of at least one phone that is pentaband UMTS...mine, the Galaxy S II lol
Trevnerdio said:
It's 3G, check Engadget. I'm sure it's 2G as well. And I know of at least one phone that is pentaband UMTS...mine, the Galaxy S II lol
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The OP specifically asked about the iPhone, which is unable to get 3G on T-Mobile's network. So if an AT&T iPhone were to roam on T-Mobile's network, it would not get 3G speeds.
Edit: The Galaxy Nexus is also pentaband, and so are the Nokia N8 and N9. The original Vibrant is also pentaband.
The Skyrocket is also pentaband, so I'll be able to mooch off of 42.2mbps HSPA+ when I get an LTE throttle. LOL
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The Skyrocket is also pentaband, so I'll be able to mooch off of 42.2mbps HSPA+ when I get an LTE throttle. LOL
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Yes, but is it DC-HSPA+? If not, no 42.2Mbps for you!
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Yes, but is it DC-HSPA+? If not, no 42.2Mbps for you!
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Skyrocket has a more advanced modem.
Well, it's really just the T-Mobile radio with LTE slapped into it, so yes, I do have 42.2Mbps.
has anyone tried the AT&T skyrocket on T-Mobile? Does it support HSPA+ AWS? AFAIK, only LTE works on AWS for this phone.
Thanks everyone for the phones. I've been busy and couldn't really update the thread. The current gen iPhone doesn't have AWS, yes, but since the roaming agreement is UMTS, wouldn't that allow T-Mobile devices that have the ability to roam on 850/1900 bands the ability to connect to their 3G network? So jailbroken iPhones that are activated on T-Mobile could roam over to AT&T 3G, it's just that it isn't likely that AT&T would allow it.
Am I right in my assumption?
I don't think AT&T would allow it, honestly.
Edit: According to GSMArena, the Skyrocket doesn't support 1700/2100 HSPA+. Only 1700/2100 LTE.
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I don't think AT&T would allow it, honestly.
Edit: According to GSMArena, the Skyrocket doesn't support 1700/2100 HSPA+. Only 1700/2100 LTE.
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Thanks for the heads up. And when the others in the thread said the Galaxy Nexus, they were referring to the European version, correct?
Edit: it's 700/1700 for LTE and then the normal AT&T bands for WCDMA
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I don't think AT&T would allow it, honestly.
Edit: According to GSMArena, the Skyrocket doesn't support 1700/2100 HSPA+. Only 1700/2100 LTE.
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Over at the T-Mobile SGS II forums, when I flashed a T-Mo SGS II modem, I gained access to 1700/2100.
All I need is a T-Mo SIM card to test if it'll connect to 3G, which I don't have.
I have the GSM Galaxy Nexus so naturally I am quite excited for this.
But the question remains... Does anyone have the slightest idea when this service will go live???
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I have the GSM Galaxy Nexus so naturally I am quite excited for this.
But the question remains... Does anyone have the slightest idea when this service will go live???
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It's not as simple as touching AT&T, and roaming.
You have to be in an area where there is COMPLETELY no T-Mobile signal, it can't even pick it up when you scan for it. Then, and ONLY then, will the SIM allow you to verify it on AT&T's network for roaming.
With AT&T's larger coverage footprint, you T-Mo users should have some nice coverage while traveling.
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Over at the T-Mobile SGS II forums, when I flashed a T-Mo SGS II modem, I gained access to 1700/2100.
All I need is a T-Mo SIM card to test if it'll connect to 3G, which I don't have.
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You can do that?
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You can do that?
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Skyrocket has the same modem as the T-Mo SGS II, except with LTE attached.
It's a different modem number, but other then LTE, it's all the same.
So yes, I can.
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It's not as simple as touching AT&T, and roaming.
You have to be in an area where there is COMPLETELY no T-Mobile signal, it can't even pick it up when you scan for it. Then, and ONLY then, will the SIM allow you to verify it on AT&T's network for roaming.
With AT&T's larger coverage footprint, you T-Mo users should have some nice coverage while traveling.
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Where do you get your information? I thought that's how it has always worked prior to this new roaming agreement. I spoke to a T-mobile store rep (not the best source of information) and he told me that iPhones on west coast had 3G access.
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Skyrocket has the same modem as the T-Mo SGS II, except with LTE attached.
It's a different modem number, but other then LTE, it's all the same.
So yes, I can.
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Oh, so that's only on the skyrocket...
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Where do you get your information? I thought that's how it has always worked prior to this new roaming agreement. I spoke to a T-mobile store rep (not the best source of information) and he told me that iPhones on west coast had 3G access.
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I've heard that T-Mo is doing some spectrum refarming on the PCS band...in other words, 3G is starting to pop up in certain markets on the 1900MHz band
Looking at the Specs for the 4 versions and if you live in North America and use GSM the T889 seems to be your best choice. You get all North American HSPA bands and DC-HSPA 42Mbps not just HSPA 21Mbps as well as North American 700/1700 LTE.
Looking at the AT&T variant i317 seems we are getting the shaft. You get quad band HSPA only and 2 extra LTE bands you'd never use unless you travel a lot off the continent. My how quickly AT&T put the failed merger behind them.
There are 4 versions of Note:
1. International (+LTE): SGH-7100 / SGH -7105
2. SGH-i317 : ATT+(Rogers+Bell + Telus): HSPA 850/900/1900/2100, LTE: 700/850/1700/1900
3. SCH-i605 : CDMA + LTE 700
4. SGH-T889 : T-Mobile+Mobilicity+Wind : HSPA: 850/900/1700/1900/2100, LTE: 700, 1700
So why does T-Mobile's get DC-HSPA and not the other 2 GSM variants?
So do you know how to unlock the sim slot on this. i use simple mobile and straight talk but I want the t-mobile version because it has hspa+42 and the others dont which I find to be rather stupid. But Simple said I need to unlock it even though it is a t-mo hone and they use their network. Will T-mo unlock it for me if I call them since I am buying it out right.
mr mystery said:
Looking at the Specs for the 4 versions and if you live in North America and use GSM the T889 seems to be your best choice. You get all North American HSPA bands and DC-HSPA 42Mbps not just HSPA 21Mbps as well as North American 700/1700 LTE.
Looking at the AT&T variant i317 seems we are getting the shaft. You get quad band HSPA only and 2 extra LTE bands you'd never use unless you travel a lot off the continent. My how quickly AT&T put the failed merger behind them.
There are 4 versions of Note:
1. International (+LTE): SGH-7100 / SGH -7105
2. SGH-i317 : ATT+(Rogers+Bell + Telus): HSPA 850/900/1900/2100, LTE: 700/850/1700/1900
3. SCH-i605 : CDMA + LTE 700
4. SGH-T889 : T-Mobile+Mobilicity+Wind : HSPA: 850/900/1700/1900/2100, LTE: 700, 1700
So why does T-Mobile's get DC-HSPA and not the other 2 GSM variants?
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abrcrmdl23 said:
So do you know how to unlock the sim slot on this. i use simple mobile and straight talk but I want the t-mobile version because it has hspa+42 and the others dont which I find to be rather stupid. But Simple said I need to unlock it even though it is a t-mo hone and they use their network. Will T-mo unlock it for me if I call them since I am buying it out right.
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Can't help you there friend, I'm in Canada. I know T-Mobile used to be pretty good about unlocking devices bought outright but not sure if policies changed. A T-Mobile member should be able to answer that question though.
I've been out of the phone game for awhile, so i'm a little confused. I'm currently on ATT, and as a matter of course, I would pick up there's, but if it doesn't have LTE in the states (I have ATT LTE in my area), then that's just one more reason to switch to T-mobile.
I'm already considering switching due to the cheaper plan and the ability to pick up the phone on a payment plan, which is VERY attractive to me and my current financial situation.
So,, Explain this to me like i'm five.. what exactly is the problem with the ATT Note 2?
nothing if you have AT&T. The t-mobile one only has an advantage if you use it as an unlocked device on pre-paid carriers like straight talk or simple mobile or solavei. The main difference is that if you use a t-mobile prepaid carrier like simple mobile and get the international note 2 it will be edge/hspa+21 onlyin refarmed, if you get ATT it is edge only unless you live in a 1900 re farmed market then it will only do hsap+21, if you get the t-mobile variant it is hspa+42 and has not active lte for when and if prepaid carriers get access to t-mobile lte when it comes online next year. The other thing is the t-mobile variant is a penta band phone which means it will run at full hspa+ data speed on any carrier. ATT or t-mo.
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nothing if you have AT&T. The t-mobile one only has an advantage if you use it as an unlocked device on pre-paid carriers like straight talk or simple mobile or solavei. The main difference is that if you use a t-mobile prepaid carrier like simple mobile and get the international note 2 it will be edge/hspa+21 onlyin refarmed, if you get ATT it is edge only unless you live in a 1900 re farmed market then it will only do hsap+21, if you get the t-mobile variant it is hspa+42 and has not active lte for when and if prepaid carriers get access to t-mobile lte when it comes online next year. The other thing is the t-mobile variant is a penta band phone which means it will run at full hspa+ data speed on any carrier. ATT or t-mo.
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Ah, so since I have ATT in a LTE area (Phoenix), i'll get LTE (42?) on my phone, and no issues unless I decide I want to switch to a pre-paid carrier? But if I did get the T-mobile version of the phone, I could switch it around and I have more options as far as speed goes. Sound approximately correct?
What if I bought the phone from T-mo and switched it to AT&T? Is that even possible and would it have any pros or cons? (Buying full-price phone from T-mobile on their payment plan, using it on AT&T until my contract was up in Feb, then switching the phone to T-mobile with the cheaper plan?
Kreiger1981 said:
I've been out of the phone game for awhile, so i'm a little confused. I'm currently on ATT, and as a matter of course, I would pick up there's, but if it doesn't have LTE in the states (I have ATT LTE in my area), then that's just one more reason to switch to T-mobile.
I'm already considering switching due to the cheaper plan and the ability to pick up the phone on a payment plan, which is VERY attractive to me and my current financial situation.
So,, Explain this to me like i'm five.. what exactly is the problem with the ATT Note 2?
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It has LTE, but the HSPA bands are limited to 21mbps vs the 42 mbps HSPA of the T-Mobile variant (which works with AT&T's network on both LTE and HSPA).
Essentially, a faster HSPA radio, nothing else changes
Does anyone know if there will be modem problems like the Att i717 had when switching to tmobile? We waited a long time for a decent working modem which was a hacked blaze modem that worked the best with limited upload speeds, but great download speeds.
Or will the tmobile variant work like the galaxy nexus pentaband on Att or tmobile OOB? I'm tempted to get the tmobile, but will wait for the price to drop.
Torn due to accessories that now are not compatible with the new noteII.
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Or will the tmobile variant work like the galaxy nexus pentaband on Att or tmobile OOB? I'm tempted to get the tmobile, but will wait for the price to drop.
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The T-Mobile variant is Pentaband according to FCC filings
So, If I buy the T-Mobile Note II non-contract price; it will work on AT&T's LTE and HSPA network?
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So, If I buy the T-Mobile Note II non-contract price; it will work on AT&T's LTE and HSPA network?
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Doesn't the T-Mobile one have LTE disabled in the firmware?
I am on AT&T. I bought the TMOB Note II and unlocked it on cellunlocker.net. very easy.
I don't get LTE even though the device specs show LTE.
I tried different APNs but it always goes back to the default one on my micro sim.
Any ideas on how to get LTE are welcome!
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ekerbuddyeker said:
I am on AT&T. I bought the TMOB Note II and unlocked it on cellunlocker.net. very easy.
I don't get LTE even though the device specs show LTE.
I tried different APNs but it always goes back to the default one on my micro sim.
Any ideas on how to get LTE are welcome!
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As I stated above:
http://www.androidauthority.com/t-mobile-galaxy-note-2-lte-125982/
The Galaxy Note II features a Qualcomm 9215M chipset which provides the hardware capability to support both HSPA+42 and LTE. T-Mobile plans to reach more than 200 million Americans with LTE by the end of 2013. The Galaxy Note II will not automatically access T-Mobile’s LTE network. We will share more information on how and when the Galaxy Note II will support T-Mobile’s upcoming LTE network when the network is available.
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I don't know if anyone cares, but I purchased the international version of the Galaxy Note II. I currently am using it on AT&T network and I maintain hspa+ the entire time. I work in Dallas, Texas but live 45 miles away, and I have awesome coverage all the time. The reason I post this is because all of you wanting LTE, should know more facts about it. LTE is nice, but it's a battery hog. Granted 4G speeds are nice, but in practicality, HSPA+ is obviously not as fast, but it's pretty danged fast and my battery life is pretty darned good as well.
If you are going to shell out the money for the phone itself, buy the International version. You can get them for around $660 dollars, and the price is dropping every day. Don't spend the same amount on a Carrier branded, bloatware infested phone. Just buy the unbranded one and you will be quite happy, I guarantee it.
***disclaimer***
My guarantee only offers cookies as reimbursement, and you have to show up in person to receive them.
ekerbuddyeker said:
I am on AT&T. I bought the TMOB Note II and unlocked it on cellunlocker.net. very easy.
I don't get LTE even though the device specs show LTE.
I tried different APNs but it always goes back to the default one on my micro sim.
Any ideas on how to get LTE are welcome!
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Maybe have to wait on the AT&T Note II ROM dump. Then flash it to T-Mobile Note II.
tmobile always unlock my phones
abrcrmdl23 said:
So do you know how to unlock the sim slot on this. i use simple mobile and straight talk but I want the t-mobile version because it has hspa+42 and the others dont which I find to be rather stupid. But Simple said I need to unlock it even though it is a t-mo hone and they use their network. Will T-mo unlock it for me if I call them since I am buying it out right.
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all you have to do is wait like maybe a week or four days, for their system to recognize that you are using the note 2 on their system. then you call them and tell them that you will be going out of the country and they will ask you for your IMEI number and your email. and you will get your unlock code the next day, hope this help you.
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I am on AT&T. I bought the TMOB Note II and unlocked it on cellunlocker.net. very easy.
I don't get LTE even though the device specs show LTE.
I tried different APNs but it always goes back to the default one on my micro sim.
Any ideas on how to get LTE are welcome!
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You can try this:
1) With phone on, take off back cover and press your SIM card so it releases from the spring. It won't come all the way out as it's blocked by the battery. This seems fine - I didn't bother trying to force it out as I didn't want to break anything...
2) Once you see the message that the SIM card is removed, go to the dialer and dial *#2263#
3) You should see a menu with band selections. The current setting is "Automatic". If you switch to "GSM All", you will be EDGE (2G). If you switch to "WCDMA All", you will be on HSPA+ (3G, though AT&T and others call it 4G) and you will have lte too
4) Press the SIM card back into place until it clicks. For whatever reason the phone will not recognize it until you reboot. Upon reboot you should see your new setting in effect.
Let me know if this works!
So let's clear all of this up. Will the T-Mobile edition work on T-Mobile AND at&t (hspa+) StraightTalk here in the States? Just seemed a bit confusing and that is what I know is my big question. All help is appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Jordan
jordan123hi said:
So let's clear all of this up. Will the T-Mobile edition work on T-Mobile AND at&t (hspa+) StraightTalk here in the States? Just seemed a bit confusing and that is what I know is my big question. All help is appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Jordan
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It's my understanding that the T-Mo Note 2 runs on T-Mo's HSPA+42 network while the international runs on ATT's HSPA+21 network but only on T-Mo's 2G network. T-Mo is currently refarming areas of the country so that the international Note 2 will pick up T-Mo's HSPA+ network. I assume they mean T-Mo's HSPA+42 network.
EDIT: This was from a chat session with a T-Mo rep:
Me: So once the 1900Mhz refarming is complete, does that mean I'd have access to your HSPA+42 speeds?
Mary G: Yes, once the process has been complete, you will have the best service about the calls and most especially the data.
Now, we all know how misinformed reps can be but from what I've been reading, this seems to be legit. So my plan is to get the international Note 2. I get HSPA+21 now, an option for T-Mo HSPA+42 later as I know for a fact my area is currently being refarmed, more developer support, and no bloatware.
If I'm wrong about any of this, please someone let me know.
bengadget said:
It's my understanding that the T-Mo Note 2 runs on T-Mo's HSPA+42 network while the international runs on ATT's HSPA+21 network but only on T-Mo's 2G network. T-Mo is currently refarming areas of the country so that the international Note 2 will pick up T-Mo's HSPA+ network. I assume they mean T-Mo's HSPA+42 network.
EDIT: This was from a chat session with a T-Mo rep:
Me: So once the 1900Mhz refarming is complete, does that mean I'd have access to your HSPA+42 speeds?
Mary G: Yes, once the process has been complete, you will have the best service about the calls and most especially the data.
Now, we all know how misinformed reps can be but from what I've been reading, this seems to be legit. So my plan is to get the international Note 2. I get HSPA+21 now, an option for T-Mo HSPA+42 later as I know for a fact my area is currently being refarmed, more developer support, and no bloatware.
If I'm wrong about any of this, please someone let me know.
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Will you get TMo HSPA+21 or only on AT&T?
1) Is US Cellular using LTE Band 12 up here in Maine?
2) Is Nexus 6P "certified" for Band 12 on T-Mobile?
3) What is (or where do I find out) the T-Mobile/US Cellular roaming agreement here in Maine?
When my Nexus 6P signs onto US Cellular, I am lucky to get "edge" coverage (but it does not seem to actually know how to use it). I understand that USC has LTE band 12 and am wondering why I cannot access it. There are no TMO towers in my area. I get great LTE coverage using Canadian (Bell/Telus) towers, but nothing useful for a huge area here in Maine as I travel south towards Augusta. Is the Nexus 6P a bad choice for TMO? Should I be using something else or is nothing going to actually utilize USC's LTE network? Hoping to resolve this because I need the Canada coverage TMO provides, but I also need coverage here in Maine. Is the USC LTE deployment actually band 12 here?
Thanks!
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1) Is US Cellular using LTE Band 12 up here in Maine?
2) Is Nexus 6P "certified" for Band 12 on T-Mobile?
3) What is (or where do I find out) the T-Mobile/US Cellular roaming agreement here in Maine?
When my Nexus 6P signs onto US Cellular, I am lucky to get "edge" coverage (but it does not seem to actually know how to use it). I understand that USC has LTE band 12 and am wondering why I cannot access it. There are no TMO towers in my area. I get great LTE coverage using Canadian (Bell/Telus) towers, but nothing useful for a huge area here in Maine as I travel south towards Augusta. Is the Nexus 6P a bad choice for TMO? Should I be using something else or is nothing going to actually utilize USC's LTE network? Hoping to resolve this because I need the Canada coverage TMO provides, but I also need coverage here in Maine. Is the USC LTE deployment actually band 12 here?
Thanks!
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US Cellular is a CDMA provider. They are not GSM so there is no edge to be used. The only part of their network you'd be able to possibly use is LTE, But I highly doubt you could roam on them due to if LTE did work, they're would be no way for SMS/Phone calls to work as you'd only be able to get a data only connection.
hyelton said:
US Cellular is a CDMA provider. They are not GSM so there is no edge to be used. The only part of their network you'd be able to possibly use is LTE, But I highly doubt you could roam on them due to if LTE did work, they're would be no way for SMS/Phone calls to work as you'd only be able to get a data only connection.
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US Cellular has shifted to GSM as well as the LTE. My iPad Pro does roam on their Edge network with no issues. The Nexus 6P does not like their network, but it can and does use CDMA where it is.
ctradio said:
US Cellular has shifted to GSM as well as the LTE. My iPad Pro does roam on their Edge network with no issues. The Nexus 6P does not like their network, but it can and does use CDMA where it is.
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US Cellular is still CDMA as stated on there website along with every phone they sell is CDMA/LTE. Yeah the 6P can use CDMA but there is no GSM carrier that has agreements with CDMA roaming except for Project Fi which uses Sprint, T-Mobile, and recently now U.S.Cellular for the nexus devices.
I was doing some digging and U.S.Cellular does have a few GSM towers up were your at but its for roaming purposes ONLY (it's technically not really uscellular though) it's just them to make a few dollars from Gsm carriers like T-Mobile haha. so that would explain why you can get edge not sure why your 6P won't roam on it correctly though. I highly doubt there is LTE available in those areas (GSM Wise) as GSM is not what u.s.cellulars main focus is as themselves they only provide that network for roaming I'm pretty sure it would at least be 3G though.
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Is that the "King Street Wireless" part of things? I had seen that mentioned on their web page.
hyelton said:
US Cellular is still CDMA as stated on there website along with every phone they sell is CDMA/LTE. Yeah the 6P can use CDMA but there is no GSM carrier that has agreements with CDMA roaming except for Project Fi which uses Sprint, T-Mobile, and recently now U.S.Cellular for the nexus devices.
I was doing some digging and U.S.Cellular does have a few GSM towers up were your at but its for roaming purposes ONLY (it's technically not really uscellular though) it's just them to make a few dollars from Gsm carriers like T-Mobile haha. so that would explain why you can get edge not sure why your 6P won't roam on it correctly though. I highly doubt there is LTE available in those areas (GSM Wise) as GSM is not what u.s.cellulars main focus is as themselves they only provide that network for roaming I'm pretty sure it would at least be 3G though.
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