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The notes camera

I just bought a new camera to tote around mainly for my wife. I thought it was a pretty good camera, it's a fuji 14mp point and shoot. I've had one in the past which was pretty good.
Anyway, my point being my freaking camera on my note takes much better pictures than this camera does. I would think a dedicated camera would be the winner but Samsung did a good job here.
I've seen threads past complaining about the notes camera but mine takes great pics. Needless to sat wife still asks for the phone to take pics. That was a waste of money
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Try comparing the two in conditions with poor lighting, particularly in any scenario that would require a flash or longer exposure.

When it comes to camera's, opposed to what alot of people think, the amount of megapixels you have isn't important at all. What's more important is the lens, and how big it is. The lighting, shutter time etc..
Just like knightnz said, the fuji would probably come out on top in "harder" to capture pictures.
Still I have to agree, the Note takes amazing pictures.

Yea I haven't tried the note much in low light or night pics so I'll have to check it out. I understand and have always read mp mean nothing so what is the point of these higher mp counts? I mean they are coming out with a friggin 41mp camera soon on a phone at that! Why the need for high mp if they don't affect quality?
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It is just for marketing purpose.
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sprintuser1977 said:
Yea I haven't tried the note much in low light or night pics so I'll have to check it out. I understand and have always read mp mean nothing so what is the point of these higher mp counts? I mean they are coming out with a friggin 41mp camera soon on a phone at that! Why the need for high mp if they don't affect quality?
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It's not like the phone takes a 2GB 41 mp jpeg lol. It's a new type of technology that combines pixles in such a way that it creates a 5-8mp file with lossless 4x zoom and greatly reduced noise.
The *real* breakthrough is the size of the lense and the amount of light it lets in. I've seen some sample pictures and it has a mean DOF effect and almost no noise.
Back to the point. The notes camera is great and it is better than a few point and shoots that my friends have, I just wish there was image stabilisation but that's just software right?

a wise man once said:
"The best Camera to have, is the one that's is in your hand."

I havnt been too impressed with the camera.. It is pretty good for a phone but I miss how fast my iPhone snapped a pic compared to this.. Not saying it's bad though
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James Harrison said:
Back to the point. The notes camera is great and it is better than a few point and shoots that my friends have, I just wish there was image stabilisation but that's just software right?
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Well, the best image stabilisation is actually hardware. It is a prism that moves based on a gyroscope to compensate for all camera movements. Effectively it keeps the physical focus point where it was and moves it slowly to where it now is, avoiding the quick shake caused by your movements. Software can only compensate slightly by moving the physical focus around in a similar way in a larger recorded image.
The best I have ever had is in my Sony HandyCam. It was the bees knees when I bought it many years ago. Full 1080p video with a superb and huge Carl Zeiss lens. Dark shots were great and better than most other cameras, and it even does a fair IR night mode. The videos are very stable as long as you do not do any large swings. The 10x optical zoom is also fantastic.
Now my Note stands in, but it will never replace the HC because of the poorer dark videos, lack of zoom, and the complete lack of stabilisation. Having said that, it is used a hell of a lot more as a camera and video cam, because it is always with me!

jb9217a said:
I havnt been too impressed with the camera.. It is pretty good for a phone but I miss how fast my iPhone snapped a pic compared to this.. Not saying it's bad though
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Once ics comes in, u will get 0 shutter lag ! much faster than iphone...

Is there anyway we can shut camera click sound ?

The camera is good enough.
But when you see your note camera taking better pictures than stand alone point and shoot snapper, you know you have crap point and shoot camera or the person taking photographs is not taking pictures properly.
Under good light conditions, these modern snappers will match the P&S sensor quality if you know what you are doing. Picture quality varies greatly by simple choice of settings by the person taking pictures on Note. Leave it at auto and you will not get the best results in tricky conditions. You also need steady hands to get good snaps from Note camera.
But overall, its good enough to be good casual snapper.
But if you start comparing Note against even older good compact cameras like Panasonic ZS7 (which is now outdated), its not even close. These point and shoot cameras will outperform Note under any condition. Leave alone more expensive and also cameras with newer better sensors available today.
The good thing about Note camera is that it takes more than decent pictures with relatively accurate colour reproduction unlike some other phone cameras.

Mobile camera run down
jeromepearce said:
..lack of zoom..
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There is a rather crappy digital zoom that happens when you press the volume button and swipe your finger across the slider that appears.. like here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7abTRUO4WQ
(ignore the girl lol)
In other areas: I realise now that the stabilisation is hardware but you'd be SO suprised at how much software effects the video quality. I have 2 examples.
My old HD2 on windows mobile or android had TERRIBLE low light quality, frame rate dropped down to 9/10 fps, image noise was just unacceptable. -->
Updated to windows phone 7, and low light was quality is insane now. did not drop a single frame. The quality even went up to full 720p (which was not possible before)
I've even made some short movies with it because the low light was so good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZP68dAtn14 and the non "8mm style" shots in here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JQVeeZL4aQ
(sorry not trying to drop videos here but just so you get my point)
Second example is my transformer prime. Same thing. On Honeycomb terrible fps in low light and a whole heap of noise ---> ICS update and the camera was a different beast.
My point is, software is very important in mobile cameras. Once we get ICS, we can start complaining or praising properly

katyarevishal said:
Once ics comes in, u will get 0 shutter lag ! much faster than iphone...
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Dear katyarevishal,
I was hoping that till trying ICS leak but shutter lag is still same as GB... Losing my hope... Thats why i am using Fast Burst Camera app to catch the moment but limited to 1 mpx...
Kind regards...
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Dear katyarevishal,
I was hoping that till trying ICS leak but shutter lag is still same as GB... Losing my hope... Thats why i am using Fast Burst Camera app to catch the moment but limited to 1 mpx...
Kind regards...
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thats because its a leak and hasnt got the fully working driverset

[Q] How to reduce camera blur? Best shooting mode?

I recently saw an ad on TV for the camera and it says you can take pictures of fast moving objects and have no blur. Every picture I take with a moving object comes back with a blur. Any ideas? What's the best shooting mode? I took the attached photo with sports mode and didn't change any of the settings.

Try sports mode, if that ain't helping, take the ISO off of auto, mess around with it, helped a lot for me.
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I'm wondering as well. Sport mode still doesn't capture even slow moving objects
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Nothing I've found will stop that. Different camera apps will at least blur instead of ghosting.

Try super camera. Lower the exposure time to- 12. Will improve blur but lower love light performance
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These are pics with my kids jumping around and going crazy.
First one is exposure at +12
Second is exposure at default
3rd us at- 12.
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brianfields33 said:
I recently saw an ad on TV for the camera and it says you can take pictures of fast moving objects and have no blur. Every picture I take with a moving object comes back with a blur. Any ideas? What's the best shooting mode? I took the attached photo with sports mode and didn't change any of the settings.
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Sports mode or setting ISO1600 are your only real options.
Taking a sharp, indoor picture with anything shy of a dedicated (and expensive) camera is a pipe dream.
For reference, I have a Sony NEX-6 and 50mm f/1.8 lens. This combo goes for around $1000. I can shoot ISO6400 and f/1.8. Indoors, that will usually do the trick, but it isn't guaranteed.
I also have a Sony RX100 (best point and shoot you can by). Again, even at ISO6400 and the largest aperture possible, it's going to be tough to capture fast movement indoors.
The commercials are stupid and misleading. Sorry guys.

I second lattiboy's post.
I own a Nikon D7100, even with a premium lense with F/1.4, indoors you need to raise the ISO to get atleast 1/125 to start freezing motion.
You are expecting the unreal.

Thanks for the replies. I'll try a different app and keep messing around with it. I'm not expecting top notch pics, but if they advertise it they should live up to it.

eitama said:
I second lattiboy's post.
I own a Nikon D7100, even with a premium lense with F/1.4, indoors you need to raise the ISO to get atleast 1/125 to start freezing motion.
You are expecting the unreal.
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...or a Xenon flash...

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...or a Xenon flash...
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A Xenon flash will only light up the foreground. Flash is something that should be used only if you really have to... Or you can put up multiple flashes. Then you mess up the white balance

Perfectly adequate for loads of situations. I'd take broken white balance vs a completely blurred and unusable pic
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Dealbreaker?

Hey guys, I've had my Moto X for a week now and I might return to my Note 3. I really like this phone overall, but man the camera really is that bad. I read all the stories but hoped the update would be good enough for me. Unfortunately it hasn't been.
I can't even imagine how bad the camera must have been before the update. The camera is simply dreadful. Do I have a defective Moto X or is it really this bad?
If I'm not outside on a sunny day or in a really well lit room, it's the worst camera I've ever had on any smartphone that I've ever owned. And that includes phones from over 4 years ago. Is it really this bad?
Here are some sample shots. I took these same shots with my Note 3, and those shots blew these away. I will try to post those later.
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Yes, It is that bad. Coming from a S4 and I know what you mean. But I still love being free with a unlocked bootlaoder and would not go back.

Ughh, I was afraid of that. I really like the phone, but not sure I can deal with this. Thanks bro.
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I don't think the camera is bad at all. I didn't get to experience how it was before any of the updates though.
So far color representation looks to be spot on. I was even impressed by the low light quality. I took a picture last night in a dimly lit room and was astounded at how good the picture came out. It's way better than my last phone (EVO 3D).

ahhh ya i came from an iPhone 4 which is 3.5 yrs old and the camera on that was better in every category except low light performance.

Are you using HDR?
I also see that your flash seems to be firing. I have Auto Flash OFF because the pictures to look very washed out with the bright white flash. I find that the camera works much better and has much better saturation in lower light with the flash off.
If I'm just taking a picture of a list or piece of paper and I only need to be able to see/read it, I use the flash, otherwise I keep the flash off for "nice" photos.

Have you tried using any camera apps. I would recommend the following two apps :"a Better Camera "almost fully functional in the free version and FV-5, a paid app and I don't believe there is a trial version. I have been experimenting with both apps and have been quiet successful getting some really decent low light shots. Both apps allow you to set the ISO level and "a Better Camera" allows you to set the amount of noise reduction for low light shots (the options are None, Minor & Hard). Worth trying out either app in my opinion.
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I've got pics of the kids inside at night, with flash on... And the pics are easy better than my s2 was. I find background light can make the pic taking tricky tho. I have to move slightly one easy or the other and when I get it right the pics are just fine. Maybe other phones handle background light easier.... But with a little practise, I find this camera pretty good.
That's just me.
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And yes... Sometimes you think you need a flash inside... When you don't. And the pics are easy better with no flash. Again... I had to play around and get to know how and where the best pics turn out.
But again.... I'm one of those, it's just a phone camera guys... I'm maybe not as picky. I'm not trying to sell my pics, so I'm happy. If I know I want to take very good pics somewhere... In advance... I bring my camera.
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Right about now it would be nice to see 4.4.2 with camera update. Noise/quality are un-exeptable for a $500+ phone. Yes S4 is night and day difference with Moto X in camera.
S4 was the FIRST camera in phone that I used and I took many pictures, most came out usable and some pretty impressive. With MX, most pictures indoors I cant even look at.....I delete all of them right away.

The only place I find camera quality to be bad is in low light, but it's not the hardware, it's the software. The camera software just sets the ISO higher than it should and overexposes everything in low light. I use FV-5 to manually set a lower ISO and manually set the metering point so that it doesn't overexpose the shot, and then I can get great shots in low light. If you don't know a little about cameras or aren't willing to take the time to manually adjust low light shots though, you'll be disappointed. In decent lighting I can get some great shots even with the stock camera app though, especially with HDR.

gtg465x said:
The only place I find camera quality to be bad is in low light, but it's not the hardware, it's the software. The camera software just sets the ISO higher than it should and overexposes everything in low light. I use FV-5 to manually set a lower ISO and manually set the metering point so that it doesn't overexpose the shot, and then I can get great shots in low light. If you don't know a little about cameras or aren't willing to take the time to manually adjust low light shots though, you'll be disappointed. In decent lighting I can get some great shots even with the stock camera app though, especially with HDR.
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Perhaps you are right. But how hard is it for a TEAM of developers at Motorola/Google to figure this out ? We are on 2nd camera update here its still ****
PS. on S4 I used only 2 modes and didnt even touch settings, Auto and Night Mode......thats all I needed to take excellent photos.
few night/low light shots from S4, last one was taken in almost complete darkness, camera just picked up light from night club flashing lights

I agree. I love this phone but the camera sucks. Snoop Dogg came to my Christmas party and I was so excited to get some shots.
They all came out blurry all my buddies with S4s got killer shots. I don't know, maybe I'll blame it on the alcohol....
That ticked me off a bit.
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gtg465x said:
The only place I find camera quality to be bad is in low light, but it's not the hardware, it's the software. The camera software just sets the ISO higher than it should and overexposes everything in low light. I use FV-5 to manually set a lower ISO and manually set the metering point so that it doesn't overexpose the shot, and then I can get great shots in low light. If you don't know a little about cameras or aren't willing to take the time to manually adjust low light shots though, you'll be disappointed. In decent lighting I can get some great shots even with the stock camera app though, especially with HDR.
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This. For low light shots, I either use fv5 or take the photos with the stock camera and run them through Perfectly clear. I've gotten a lot of fantastic shots with my X. Low-light is the only setting in which I need to kind of finagle anything.

WizeGuyDezignz said:
Hey guys, I've had my Moto X for a week now and I might return to my Note 3. I really like this phone overall, but man the camera really is that bad. I read all the stories but hoped the update would be good enough for me. Unfortunately it hasn't been.
I can't even imagine how bad the camera must have been before the update. The camera is simply dreadful. Do I have a defective Moto X or is it really this bad?
If I'm not outside on a sunny day or in a really well lit room, it's the worst camera I've ever had on any smartphone that I've ever owned. And that includes phones from over 4 years ago. Is it really this bad?
Here are some sample shots. I took these same shots with my Note 3, and those shots blew these away. I will try to post those later.
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if you take a pic of your tree with an SLR with the same exposure settings and you'll get an equally awful pic.
honestly i think the camera on the X is fine. i think it could be better but i think overall its a pretty good camera, on par with some point and shoots i've used. it all comes down to lighting, plus the HDR mode really helps.

Been using Camera FV-5 for whenever I need low light shots. First one is the stock camera app and the second shot is via Camera FV-5. These were shot in very low light conditions.

il buono said:
Been using Camera FV-5 for whenever I need low light shots. First one is the stock camera app and the second shot is via Camera FV-5. These were shot in very low light conditions.
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Gonna give it a try. Big difference there

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Gonna give it a try. Big difference there
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CameraZoomFX lets you pick the ISO setting too, which could increase the exposure.

640k said:
if you take a pic of your tree with an SLR with the same exposure settings and you'll get an equally awful pic.
honestly i think the camera on the X is fine. i think it could be better but i think overall its a pretty good camera, on par with some point and shoots i've used. it all comes down to lighting, plus the HDR mode really helps.
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I am curious if these photos were taken with the stock camera app or a 3rd party app?
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telefoner said:
I am curious if these photos were taken with the stock camera app or a 3rd party app?
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Stock. You can tell from the image properties.
EDIT: I take it back. There's no specific information that says what app took the pic, only what device. Technically we're talking about the inability of the Moto X's sensor to perform adequately. Different apps can force different settings/processing techniques, but you're still limited to the sensor/lens capability of the device.
Here's a CameraZoomFX photo taken with a DROID4:
It's all about lighting.

I'm with you on this one WizeGuy. At first I didn't think the camera was as bad as people said it was. But after using it in the wild and over the course of a week, it really is disappointing. The biggest issue for me is consistency. I CAN get a decent shot if I try to. Low light performance is terrible however and it's really tough to get a good shot most of the time. I was also coming from an S4 and didn't expect it to be on the same level obviously, but now that I've played with it enough, I'm positive even my S3 was better overall. In fact, I've been comparing it with an old iPhone 4S and I couldn't say it's better than that camera (except when there is ample lighting). I take a lot of pictures and it is important to me. Yes it is a camera phone, but downgrading is harder to accept than I thought it would be. I guess I value something that is consistent and easy in auto mode when it comes to my phone. Much sadder is the fact that I really like everything else about this phone, much more than the s4. I prefer the size the moto x by far to anything out there, but the nexus 5 is tempting me right now.

S4 shutter really slow?

I noticed this phone has very horrible low-light performance (super blurry photos) with or without anti-shake enabled (I keep it off now). Night mode does help a LOT but I am wondering if anyone knows why this camera is so bad? Not trolling when I compare it to the iPhone 4, 5, HTC One X, and HTC One to the S4 that the former are so much better... Maybe Samsung phones just do not have the hardware to produce decent photos?
I do have minor shake in my hand but it was never an issue with any of the other phones I mentioned.
Anyone else experience the same issue (and yes, I have removed the plastic surrounding the lens)?

It's the 13 MP, and the phones tiny sensor. Not trolling but that little sensor has to do a lot of work. Also, the HTC one has a larger sensor
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I shoot mainly in sports mode. Took this today of my never motionless daughter. In low light I just use my Sony NEX3N. The S4 struggles in lower light because of the slow shutter algorithm. Nexus 5 was much better at focusing but much noisier as the devise just ramped to a high iso. So it's a trade off. Samsung went for the lower noise option which increases shutter time.
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Yeah I am no camera guru, it is a given the HTC One would perform better in low-light compared to the S4, cannot say I am surprised, I was just shocked at how bad performance really was. I don't have much chance to shoot during the day since well, I am working. We'll see how my summer shots come out, for now I guess I will keep it in night mode during the evenings.

Night mode just boosts iso and runs a noise reduction algorithm. You are better off shooting in sports
The other thing that lowers shutter speed is enabling stabilization mode.
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Thank you, I'll change it and see how photos turn out. Is there a way to default the shooting mode upon opening the camera app? It seems to default back to auto all the time.

I'm running MDOB rom and it saves the camera settings
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Yeah, night mode or sports mode I have concluded this camera is horrible compared to even previous generation cameras... I should have known better when the Samsung Galaxy Nexus had a horrible camera that not much would change...

Shutter speed vs Galaxy S6

Can anyone provide some detail or a video of how fast the shutter speed is on the G4? I have a galaxy s6 now and love that I can capture my kids and dog running around without any blurring. The camera is impressive. Can the G4 compete in that regard? Any sample photos?
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Seems real fast to me. My wife has the gs5 active and seems just as fast. Came from a nexus 5 that took 5-10 seconds to focus so it seems like lightning to me. Hope that helps
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Laser focus helps keeping objects Sharp and crisp real quick. That alone might improve your moving target less blurred.
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On good light condition, it's really fast focus.

I have them both and s6 camera feels more complete. Lg needs to do lots of work in the software field.
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emplox said:
Can anyone provide some detail or a video of how fast the shutter speed is on the G4? I have a galaxy s6 now and love that I can capture my kids and dog running around without any blurring. The camera is impressive. Can the G4 compete in that regard? Any sample photos?
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The Samsung camera software has been really good for a long time. I agree that the LG camera software is lacking in the polished department compared to Samsung. It's not too bad once you get used to the layout though.
Software aside, I found the S6 camera to be slightly faster than the G4. Both take incredible pictures for a phone, but the S6 snaps instantly with zero delay while there is a very short delay in the G4 in auto mode. It is very close though. You'll only notice the delay coming from an S6. Most G4 users probably don't notice.
Honestly, I actually preferred the S6 auto mode over the G4 auto mode. The S6 seemed to focus more accurately on quick shots. I'm hooked on the G4 manual mode with auto focus though. It more than makes up for the occasional errant focus. The S6 had them occasionally too, but less often.
As far as shutter speed goes, the G4 allows adjustment from 30 seconds down to 1/6000 of a second, so I think it can probably snap as fast as you'd ever need. I'll do some testing with it at the kids' sports games this week. It doesn't matter how quick the shutter speed is if it can't get the focus right when you need it...

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The Samsung camera software has been really good for a long time. I agree that the LG camera software is lacking in the polished department compared to Samsung. It's not too bad once you get used to the layout though.
Software aside, I found the S6 camera to be slightly faster than the G4. Both take incredible pictures for a phone, but the S6 snaps instantly with zero delay while there is a very short delay in the G4 in auto mode. It is very close though. You'll only notice the delay coming from an S6. Most G4 users probably don't notice.
Honestly, I actually preferred the S6 auto mode over the G4 auto mode. The S6 seemed to focus more accurately on quick shots. I'm hooked on the G4 manual mode with auto focus though. It more than makes up for the occasional errant focus. The S6 had them occasionally too, but less often.
As far as shutter speed goes, the G4 allows adjustment from 30 seconds down to 1/6000 of a second, so I think it can probably snap as fast as you'd ever need. I'll do some testing with it at the kids' sports games this week. It doesn't matter how quick the shutter speed is if it can't get the focus right when you need it...
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Thank you very much for the information. I look forward to hearing back
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Thanks everyone!
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sharpehenry said:
Laser focus helps keeping objects Sharp and crisp real quick. That alone might improve your moving target less blurred.
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Yea, but the G3 also had laser focus, and was pretty bad in regards to shutter speed. Was hoping for a big improvement. Nobody ever mentions shutter speed comparisons in phone reviews and it's annoying. It's a huge factor for me.
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emplox said:
Yea, but the G3 also had laser focus, and was pretty bad in regards to shutter speed. Was hoping for a big improvement. Nobody ever mentions shutter speed comparisons in phone reviews and it's annoying. It's a huge factor for me.
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I've taken a number of nice pictures of my kids, and so far the camera seems really nice and capable. I don't have the S6, so I can't really speak to it in comparison (after Note 4 LP experience I had, I don't think I'll buy another Sammy). It takes them faster than any other device I've had. The picture quality is better than any phone I've owned (and if you look at my signature, I've owned some from virtually every manufacturer).
I haven't noticed any lag on taking a picture. I'll admit I've mainly used it to take pictures during the daytime.

anybody feels like the g4 camera has too much noise indoors, everything auto?
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anybody feels like the g4 camera has too much noise indoors, everything auto?
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I've had a couple pictures do that...it kinda felt like it was focusing on the background instead of what I was trying to take a picture of at first...I just tapped on screen where I wanted to focus seemed to fix.

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It doesn't matter how quick the shutter speed is if it can't get the focus right when you need it...
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Keep 2 meteres distance from the subject. set focus to infinity. Everything at 2m and beyond is in focus and anything closer than 2m will be soft. Make sure you keep that distance if they are moving. This means you're on your feet and moving with them.
The next bit is shutter speed. 1/125, slower will make things soft.
Resize to 2MP. If light is low you will get a noisy image but resizing will reduce the noise and it will be sharper.
Focus speed is never really an issue even with older devices as you can focus on something where they are and recompose by keeping your finger pressed on the shutter button. The problem has always been about getting a fast enough shutter speed and sensitivity, these are high iso images by definition anyway.
One way to reduce shutter speed is how they move across the frame. moving straight across requires the fastest shutter, at an angle means slower, moving in a backwards or forwards motion is the easiest. The fewer pixels that move the slower the shutter can be.

Th3Bill said:
I've had a couple pictures do that...it kinda felt like it was focusing on the background instead of what I was trying to take a picture of at first...I just tapped on screen where I wanted to focus seemed to fix.
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That's not what noise is, sounds like you're talking about photos being out of focus.
To the other posted, I've seen this as well. Even outdoors at ISO 100, there is a lot of noise in the photos.

geoff5093 said:
That's not what noise is, sounds like you're talking about photos being out of focus.
To the other posted, I've seen this as well. Even outdoors at ISO 100, there is a lot of noise in the photos.
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Excuse my photo-related ignorance.