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Nexus One News and Updates
Monday, April 26, 2010
An update on Nexus One partnerships
When we launched Nexus One in January, we announced partnerships with Vodafone in Europe and Verizon Wireless in the US. We have news on both fronts.
Today, Vodafone begins accepting pre-orders for Nexus One from customers in the United Kingdom at www.vodafone.co.uk/nexusone, and on April 30th Vodafone will start selling Nexus One in their UK stores, online, and over the phone. Soon after, they will also begin selling Nexus One in France (SFR), Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Spain. Vodafone is our first European partner to distribute the Nexus One.
In the US, if you’ve been waiting for the Nexus One for Verizon Wireless’ network, head over to http://phones.verizonwireless.com/htc/incredible to pre-order the Droid Incredible by HTC, a powerful new Android phone and a cousin of the Nexus One that is similarly feature-packed. It will be available in stores on April 29th.
We are very pleased with the amazing pace of innovation and strength of the Android ecosystem and to be working with partners around the world to bring the Android experience to more people.
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BOOM.
Verizon Nexus One goes POOF.
My guess? Verizon didn't want the phone due to the 3G issues. Not that it's definitely a hardware issue, but they probably didn't want to take the chance.
Paul22000 said:
BOOM.
Verizon Nexus One goes POOF.
My guess? Verizon didn't want the phone due to the 3G issues. Not that it's definitely a hardware issue, but they probably didn't want to take the chance.
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Why would the CMDA version have the same 3G issues? It would have used a completely different radio than the current N1. I highly doubt that was the reason. My guess it that they either believe the Incredible would take too many N1 sales to make it profitable, or Verizon wants more control of the device than Google is willing to give them.
Regardless, it's not completely dead yet and there's still a chance Sprint will get it. I still don't know how well an unlocked CDMA phone could work though.
Doubtful that the 3G issues had anything to do with it. They most likely didn't want 2 nearly identical models to deal with. It wouldn't make any sense to carry both the Nexus One and the Incredible. On top of that, the Nexus One wouldn't be filled with the Verizon bloatware that the Incredible most likely will be.
Verizon probably wouldn't budge on their programming prices for the phones is the most likely reason.
I'm sure it had everything to do with the fact that why would you buy a phone for 529 when you can get almost the same phone for 199. N1 would have super failed on Verizon worse than TMO and ATT versions
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Why would the CMDA version have the same 3G issues? It would have used a completely different radio than the current N1.
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I believe the issues are with the radio being at the bottom, so the signal dropping by hand covering the bottom would affect it the same way.
I highly doubt that was the reason. My guess it that they either believe the Incredible would take too many N1 sales to make it profitable, or Verizon wants more control of the device than Google is willing to give them.
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Well, the Incredible has no bloatware to be found (see the videos on YouTube, particularly the ones by "jon4lakers"). The device is completely untouched, especially in comparison to AT&T's Backflip.
Regardless, it's not completely dead yet and there's still a chance Sprint will get it. I still don't know how well an unlocked CDMA phone could work though.
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I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
I don't think they had planned to sell the phone standalone. It would have been subsidized like the t-mobile plan.
It's not too complicated...
Neither verizon..nor HTC would like for N1 to directly compete with their new phone. Google also has mentioned many times that N1 is not a competition to other android phones. they don't want to upset their partners.
Verizon just launched incredible, which is almost the same as nexus one. Verizon can change the name of incredible to match their droid branding.. which is not possbile with nexus one
further, incredible is verizon phone and they get all the profit from it.. not google. when I was talking with t-mobile they told me that T-Mobile has no profit or financial agreement with google.. infact the subsidy on the phone is by google and not t-mobile.
Again.. i can't stress more..but all phones have problems when back is covered. All phones have specific intructions in user manual to avoid covering the back. N1 does not have 3G issues.. it's t-mobile
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I believe the issues are with the radio being at the bottom, so the signal dropping by hand covering the bottom would affect it the same way.
Well, the Incredible has no bloatware to be found (see the videos on YouTube, particularly the ones by "jon4lakers"). The device is completely untouched, especially in comparison to AT&T's Backflip.
I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
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You are correct, CDMA phones cannot be transferred between Sprint and Verizon
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It's not too complicated...
Neither verizon..nor HTC would like for N1 to directly compete with their new phone. Google also has mentioned many times that N1 is not a competition to other android phones. they don't want to upset their partners.
Verizon just launched incredible, which is almost the same as nexus one. Verizon can change the name of incredible to match their droid branding.. which is not possbile with nexus one
further, incredible is verizon phone and they get all the profit from it.. not google. when I was talking with t-mobile they told me that T-Mobile has no profit or financial agreement with google.. infact the subsidy on the phone is by google and not t-mobile.
Again.. i can't stress more..but all phones have problems when back is covered. All phones have specific intructions in user manual to avoid covering the back. N1 does not have 3G issues.. it's t-mobile
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I disagree. I see 0 downsides from having both the N1 and the Incredible available.
- The phone market in both cases is HTC, so they don't care.
- The carrier will be Verizon in both cases, so they don't care.
The only difference is that someone who has a strong preference for the N1 (standard OS, the looks, or otherwise), can get it.
A Verizon N1 will only bring in MORE customers to Verizon and HTC; there's no way it could affect either of them negatively.
I don't get it.
Beyond not trying to screw their partnership with HTC by having both the Incredible and Nexus One on Verizon at the same time this doesn't make much sense. GSM is the way to go for an open platform anyway. It's a lot easier to just switch out the SIM. No need to contact Verizon or Sprint to let them know which phone you're running.
There is overhead such as the per device training on support, stocking, advertising, that come with any handset. On cdma you do not get the advantages of having a sim and on verizon you already have another phone that is very similar but superior in some respects. Most importantly to the average user who does not know about and will never do many of the things that we would call advantages with the nexus one the things like 8 megapixel camera loom larger. It would be my guess that verizon looked at the number of expected sales versus the cost of carrying the handset and decided it didnt pencil out, simple as that. One thing for certain, it always comes down to the money.
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There is overhead such as the per device training on support, stocking, advertising, that come with any handset. On cdma you do not get the advantages of having a sim and on verizon you already have another phone that is very similar but superior in some respects. Most importantly to the average user who does not know about and will never do many of the things that we would call advantages with the nexus one the things like 8 megapixel camera loom larger. It would be my guess that verizon looked at the number of expected sales versus the cost of carrying the handset and decided it didnt pencil out, simple as that. One thing for certain, it always comes down to the money.
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Very well said.
Paul,
Verizon and HTC are both together in incredible. Verizon has invested in that phone. They want it to sell more than Nexus One.
Google makes lot of money from N1... they released the revenue this quarter... and none of that went to T-Mobile.
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Google makes lot of money from N1... they released the revenue this quarter... and none of that went to T-Mobile.
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Can you provide a link for this?
I have never seen Google or T-Mobile say anything official about how the profits from the phone are distributed. (And I doubt they would do something like this, as companies usually do not.)
Actually, the article didn't say the Nexus One for Verizon was dead. It just suggested buying the Incredible, similar to how they pointed people to the Droid previously in the "can't wait" link. The AT&T N1 came from nowhere.
Paul, you may be right, but I'd wait for further clarification on this before I'd pronounce the VZ-N1 dead.
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I disagree. I see 0 downsides from having both the N1 and the Incredible available.
- The phone market in both cases is HTC, so they don't care.
- The carrier will be Verizon in both cases, so they don't care.
The only difference is that someone who has a strong preference for the N1 (standard OS, the looks, or otherwise), can get it.
A Verizon N1 will only bring in MORE customers to Verizon and HTC; there's no way it could affect either of them negatively.
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I agree with this. Further, I would think that having a DEV phone on Verizon would be hugely important to Google. Until the Incredible/Desires are rooted, there is no DEV equivalent to the N1.
Like AT&T, Verizon doesn't have to support it to allow it to connect.
If this development is true its things like this make me more and more mad at the so called "premium" companies like Verizon. Always putting restrictions on what their customers can do instead of giving them the options they want.
Isnt that what people hate Apple for too?
krabman is right. you have 2 similar products, verizon backs the incredible though. they must have sat down and crunched numbers out and figured making a cdma verizon n1 wont be worth it vs its projected sales.
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I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
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It has been done before with older phones. However, I'm not to sure about the current smart phones.
Well ****. The Incredible's hardware is impressive, but it is looking to be one closed POS like every other recent HTC phone. It'll also probably have the ridiculous memory protection scheme of HTC that prevents writing to the system partition. Sounds like the deal between Google and Verizon fell through, because there's definitely code in AOSP for the CDMA mahimahi. The problem is that Verizon can decide whatever comes in or out of their network and they are likely none too pleased with Google's new business model.
No fastboot oem unlock = ABSOLUTELY the wrong direction for Android, do not like.
Maybe the outdated TouchPad 2000 that the N1 is using?
So I had to unfortunate encounter of having to replace my new shiny tab because of an issue with the screen. However, I was told by the support tech that T-Mobile will roll out an update that will allow the device to be used as a fully functional phone around January. This is unconfirmed so far by official sources, but I thought it interesting nonetheless.
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Hope it's true, it'll maybe encourage the other North American carriers to do the same.
For T-Mobile, it's probably cheaper than to have to writedown/restock all the returns as otherwise loyal T-Mobile customers are going to AT&T for Tabs, as well as not having to deal with all the failed flashes and the resulting "I don't know, it just stopped working" returns.
That will be lovely.
Seriously? I have 5 days left before I have to return my Tmo tab... I've been putting it off because really don't want to go AT&T...
Robert... I know you can't know for sure... but is your gut feeling that the support tech knew what he/she was talking about? How sure of it did they seem? eg any ambiguity on their part or did it seem like a done deal?
I'm on a few days left too. So tempted to return it for now and get a Nook to tide me over.
Would love phone functionality, but TMobile is doing my head in atm.
Rang them up earlier tonight to get my PAYG card sorted out (as can't update it online). With them wanting my social security number (don't have one) to my PIN number (never got one on a PAYG card), back to demanding my Social security number again (still don't have one), to them hanging up on me as I ask about phone functionality.
I'm at my wits end with Tmobile.
Guess it's going to end up being AT&T and flashed ROM I guess.
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So I had to unfortunate encounter of having to replace my new shiny tab because of an issue with the screen. However, I was told by the support tech that T-Mobile will roll out an update that will allow the device to be used as a fully functional phone around January. This is unconfirmed so far by official sources, but I thought it interesting nonetheless.
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Robert
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I was talking to T-Mo Tech Support last week about the built-in Qik application and asked him why we didn't have the phone capability. He told me that it would probably be added soon, but I didn't really believe him at the time, figuring he didn't really know what he was talking about. Now I'm beginning to wonder if I judged him too harshly. It will be interesting to see if they charge extra for it, or if it will be included in our current plan.
It wouldn't surprise me if they did. T-Moble usually takes much more of a global view towards their products than all the other US carriers do. I guess it makes sense since they're a European provider & based there.
I just ported my cell number last night from AT&T to Simple Mobile. I've had time to use both devices and running the AT&T Tab at over twice the cost per month just isn't worth it. I can buy a new Tab every year with the money I save!
If the rumor is true, then I'd expect to see a test rom leak out sometime soon.
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Seriously? I have 5 days left before I have to return my Tmo tab... I've been putting it off because really don't want to go AT&T...
Robert... I know you can't know for sure... but is your gut feeling that the support tech knew what he/she was talking about? How sure of it did they seem? eg any ambiguity on their part or did it seem like a done deal?
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The support rep was incredibly knowledgable and is infact an xda member. He seemed fairly certain this change was going to be rolled out.
Heres my question. If they do roll out this update, are they going to unblock whatever it is they are blocking and allow us to use our sim from another phone, or are we going to have to update the data plan they sold us to another plan that has voice?
Sent from Jt's Samsung Galaxy Tab!!
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Heres my question. If they do roll out this update, are they going to unblock whatever it is they are blocking and allow us to use our sim from another phone, or are we going to have to update the data plan they sold us to another plan that has voice?
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Even though thats more of a rhetorical question, I'd guess that yes, they'd eliminate the block.
Just because the Tab has a larger screen than the Vibrant doesn't meant its any more of a data hog.
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Even though thats more of a rhetorical question, I'd guess that yes, they'd eliminate the block.
Just because the Tab has a larger screen than the Vibrant doesn't meant its any more of a data hog.
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I guess it will depend on how money hungry they are.
Well, I know AT&T will never officially update their device for this. God for bid they do anything to take customers away from the iphone or ipad!
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Heres my question. If they do roll out this update, are they going to unblock whatever it is they are blocking and allow us to use our sim from another phone, or are we going to have to update the data plan they sold us to another plan that has voice?
Sent from Jt's Samsung Galaxy Tab!!
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I would imagine that you would have to upgrade the plan.
I had an issue a little while ago and had to call into customer service. While i was on the phone, I asked the lady that was helping me about the possible update, and she told me there would be no updates pushed out from tmobile for the galaxy tab, they would all come straight from samsung. She told me i needed to check samsungs website for updates. Fixing to call back. I always get a different answer every single time i call them. Im not saying what the rep told you isnt true, im just adding what they told me.
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She's probably talking about Kies updates. But that is still a carrier-specific update, tied to the model number of the device.
In other words, Samsung is just the distributor, T-Mobile will still be the final arbiter on the updates.
SO get this, you guys know i work for t-mobile. A higher up told us the current tmo tab is going to be end of life soon.. RIGHT AFTER IT LAUNCHED..Because ...get this...."4G" Tab is coming out very soon. Honestly i could care less because Verizon/Att/Sprint/Tmo are all lies. there is no Such thing as 4G right now in the US, but we have not yet been educated on this update
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SO get this, you guys know i work for t-mobile. A higher up told us the current tmo tab is going to be end of life soon.. RIGHT AFTER IT LAUNCHED..Because ...get this...."4G" Tab is coming out very soon. Honestly i could care less because Verizon/Att/Sprint/Tmo are all lies. there is no Such thing as 4G right now in the US, but we have not yet been educated on this update
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Funny thing is, the current Tab IS 4G in terms of T-Mobile's marketing strategy, ie: Its already HSxPA capable, which is faster than other carriers 4G, hence the way they get away with marketing their Internet speeds as 4G, even though its not a new technology like Sprints.
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Funny thing is, the current Tab IS 4G in terms of T-Mobile's marketing strategy, ie: Its already HSxPA capable, which is faster than other carriers 4G, hence the way they get away with marketing their Internet speeds as 4G, even though its not a new technology like Sprints.
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But , correct me if im wrong, past HSPA enabled devices where maxed at 7.2 mbps, now the new HSPA+ devices ie. G2, Mytouch 4G are said to reach speeds of 42 mbps. I had a network tech in the store the other day and he was telling me how we are all ready done a full 4G conversion but they are playing the waiting game with Att/Verizon. Just like Comcast and Verizon. one advertises one speed then the 1 up each other every other month or so.
I'm actually waiting on either a ROM hack or an official phone inclusion before I buy the Tab. I simply can't see forking over this much dough on something that I can't use 24/7 like my HD2.
Thanks, OP, for the thread. I was about to start my own
As of March 20, 2011, there has been the widespread news that AT&T agrees to buyout T-Mobile. As much as a shock it may be to previous T-Mobile users, it is a major shock to me as well. At first, I wasn't concerned about the situation since it needs to be approved and it will take about a year or two for changes to be made. Yet, it only took 24 hours for me to grow major concerns about the service, pricing and the Dell Venue Pro
I currently sit at my desk with an "unopened" shipping box containing my long-awaited Dell Venue Pro. This is a moment that I thought was suppose to be enjoyable as I get ready to unveil a phone that I have long awaited for. That is until I read this news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110321/ap_on_hi_te/us_at_t_t_mobile_usa_phones_7 (I could not attach a hyperlink since I'm a new user, sorry)
It may take around 1 to 2 years for this to take effect, but what then afterward? Seems to me that the Dell Venue Pro has an expiration date. EDGE service "may" continue to work, but 3G will be eliminated in the process. So everyone that has spent hundreds on this phone will automatically be downgraded once the process kicks in.
Maybe the option to upgrade your device will come along, but what guarantee is there that there will be a Dell Venue Pro that is fully compatible with AT&T? I just don't know if I should just return this phone and wait for something else. I'm a person who can maintain a phone for up to 3+ years yet it seems unwise for me to invest hundreds on a phone, that in time, will have limited service.
So for those who own the Dell Venue Pro or plan on purchasing it, it is worth the short investment, even if EDGE continues to work? Or should I place my investment elsewhere and/or hope that an updated Dell Venue Pro is released in the future?
Thanks for your time and I apologize for the long thread.
My thought is that by the time this all happens I will probably want an LTE phone anyway. There are a lot of 3G T-Mobile phones out there and I can't imagine they are just going to pull the plug on everyone. More likely it will be a slow transition over a long period of time.
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My thought is that by the time this all happens I will probably want an LTE phone anyway. There are a lot of 3G T-Mobile phones out there and I can't imagine they are just going to pull the plug on everyone. More likely it will be a slow transition over a long period of time.
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Understandable. I just hope that the process does take a long period of time so I can make the best out of the phone before any limitations occur, if it does happen.
I'd stick with the DVP.
Firstly, given the infancy of the smartphone market, every new device is going to have to put up a fight against Moore's Law. That is, a phone that you buy today, just like your PC or your video card, is going to be obsolete in a matter of 18-24 months.
Secondly, T-Mobile has made humongous investments in those 3G towers. So has AT&T. It costs these companies to *take out* a feature than to install it, especially so towards the end of life of a network technology. The FTC/FCC do not have a law on phasing out (I could be wrong on this one, but I am certain) network protocols over time. This is also the reason you still get EDGE coverage when everything else fails.
Finally, the deal is pending FTC/FCC approval. There is a long, drawn-out public process with the SEC, after which other federal agencies will step in to voice their concerns. Remember, Ma Bell was split up back in the day because it was involved in monopolistic activities. If this merger goes into effect, the consumers are going to be faced with a virtual monopoly as far as GSM technology goes. My point is that the deal may fall apart.
So, if your investment horizon is around 2-3 years and you love the DVP, then just keep it.
Just gives me another reason to run back to Sprint once they get a device that appeals to me
When T-mobile merged with Orange in the UK they didn't turn either of the networks off, they allowed roaming between them and extended their infrastructure.
AT&T are highly unlikely to turn off the T-mobile network, they will probably phase them both towards LTE, but by the time that's finalised your DVP will be long upgraded anyway.
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Just gives me another reason to run back to Sprint once they get a device that appeals to me
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Don't be too certain there, bud. Verizon may make the next move to buy Sprint. Remember that Sprint is also CDMA, so there are "synergies" to be realized by Verizon, assuming it thinks that AT&T's takeover of TMO is going to undermine its market position.
Of course, if you like Verizon (and thereby CDMA), what the heck are you doing in the DVP forum?
I agree with ZappiestOyster's comments. If the sky is falling (IF!!!), we have quite a long time to enjoy our DVPs before the worst case scenario would play out.
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When T-mobile merged with Orange in the UK they didn't turn either of the networks off, they allowed roaming between them and extended their infrastructure.
AT&T are highly unlikely to turn off the T-mobile network, they will probably phase them both towards LTE, but by the time that's finalised your DVP will be long upgraded anyway.
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This is exactly what will happen from what i am told and read
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Just gives me another reason to run back to Sprint once they get a device that appeals to me
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Quoted for truth. The only reason I even touched anything besides my Sprint was because of the delay in getting Windows Phone 7 to the cdma carriers. Had the HD7 Pro been released in January like it was anticipated, I wouldn't even be in this forum (though this hardware is SO much nicer).
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I agree with ZappiestOyster's comments. If the sky is falling (IF!!!), we have quite a long time to enjoy our DVPs before the worst case scenario would play out.
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Yup! I took ZappiestOyster's comment into consideration and I can only say that I absolutely love this phone! It satisfies my needs in so many ways. The way it looks, feels and the overall performance of the device is just incredible. If Microsoft gets their updates on point, this will be one incredible piece of electronic to own.
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Quoted for truth. The only reason I even touched anything besides my Sprint was because of the delay in getting Windows Phone 7 to the cdma carriers. Had the HD7 Pro been released in January like it was anticipated, I wouldn't even be in this forum (though this hardware is SO much nicer).
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I've had my shares of many different networks experiences (all 4 major carriers) but I have to say Sprint was the worst. (Los Angeles area) but I am happy with Tmobile other than the extremely bad ringback tones.
This MAYBE why a DVP with AT&T bands was spotted at the FTC.. love it if AT&T offered the DVP and a painless swap for us with them. Doubt that will happen. BUt would be nice for the DVP to get more distribution here in the states since Tmo apparently HATES W7 and is acting like a Android fan boy..
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This MAYBE why a DVP with AT&T bands was spotted at the FTC.. love it if AT&T offered the DVP and a painless swap for us with them. Doubt that will happen. BUt would be nice for the DVP to get more distribution here in the states since Tmo apparently HATES W7 and is acting like a Android fan boy..
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This phone is faulty and should only see distribution to the nearest rubbish tip.
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This phone is faulty and should only see distribution to the nearest rubbish tip.
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The 16GB maybe (See SD Card problems) I have owned 2 8GB and both are flawless..
Only a slight problem with lint under the screen on one of them. I simply love the phone and its unique form factor.
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The 16GB maybe (See SD Card problems) I have owned 2 8GB and both are flawless..
Only a slight problem with lint under the screen on one of them. I simply love the phone and its unique form factor.
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Still faulty, its not as though we added the memory ourselves, the 16GB versions were sold to us by Dell and whatever the reason dont function properly. The 8GB version performing ok has no bearing on that.
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This MAYBE why a DVP with AT&T bands was spotted at the FTC.. love it if AT&T offered the DVP and a painless swap for us with them. Doubt that will happen. BUt would be nice for the DVP to get more distribution here in the states since Tmo apparently HATES W7 and is acting like a Android fan boy..
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DVP was for Rogers. Same frequency, different country.
As for the merger, I don't think that it will go through just because of the fact that it seems like a GSM monopoly and the fact that it will screw over consumers with raised prices (less competition). Only plus side being that AT&T users get more coverage.
What's with all this talk about AT&T crippling the android experience..disabling peoples phones fro not running standard ROMS and all sorts of other horror stories. People who have been with AT&T for a while I would like to hear your opinions and about your experiences...I'm with T-Mobile now but will switch soon due to the buy out...not sure if I will go with AT&T or a diff provider..AT&T clearly has a very large network with great coverage
where are you hearing these stories? I've been running modded phones on AT&T for years now, and never had an issue. you will only have issues if you are blatantly circumventing them, and using services you aren't paying for. example, tethering on a non tethering plan and sucking down several gigs worth of data a month through it. They can tell you are doing it, and are becoming much less lenient about it.
have been on att with modded phones for years just like cegna09 said. i dont know where you are hearing this but its definitely not true
me 3, rumor/lies whatever you want to call it.
What I believe he is talking about is the fact that ATT has chosen to cripple phones other than the iphone; i.e. HSUPA
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have been on att with modded phones for years just like cegna09 said. i dont know where you are hearing this but its definitely not true
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me 3, rumor/lies whatever you want to call it.
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This is probably what the OP is referring to... from mydroidworld post by P3droid.. interesting read.. and you'll probably understand why this question was asked..
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...otloaders-rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html
I've been with AT&T since circa Cingular HTC 8525, and had that phone, the original Tilt Kaiser and Tilt 2 Rhodium all with modified roms and I never had that problem. Just got tired of all the mods and Atrix is just sooo good out of the box so I havent modded it yet.
fear mongering
Well I guess it is between the AT&T LG Thrill and HTC EVO 3D with Sprint. AT&T has a much larger network but who will give me the best Android experience and service???
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Well I guess it is between the AT&T LG Thrill and HTC EVO 3D with Sprint. AT&T has a much larger network but who will give me the best Android experience and service???
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if u read that long post from P3droid, you would see that he said not only At&t but other major carriers too, meaning Verizon and Sprint. But i'm not saying it will happen for sure, but if it does and i had to deal with any phone locked down, it would have to be the Atrix due to it's great performance straight out the box, and the update really increased the already amazing battery, so i'm pretty kool on this issue, not that i agree with it just not as pissed off as most.
Like i said in the other post, tethering is their problem not root in general
Yea... it's probably because a lot of people do exactly as others have stated.... they think that they can pull amounts of data that would basically be impossible to do from the phone itself, and expect AT&T to be none the wiser. I've thought about using the free tethering options available.... but then i realised something. When i'm on the go.... i HAVE unlimited internet access on my Atrix..... which when i'm on the go, i don't really need to download massive files. They can wait til i get home on my computer and download them that way.... over a broadband connection. Or if i just have to have that file.... it's much more logical to have a remote desktop connection and remotely download it on my desktop while i'm away than download it to a laptop or other device using a mobile carrier's network.
Do i see something like this going without consequence for AT&T and other carriers taking part? No. Last time i checked, as of July 2010, it is legal under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act to root/jailbreak your android/apple device. Granted.... that doesn't necessarily mean that you are free to do what you will with said rooted device. I doubt any court would find it legal to root the device in order to circumvent and abuse a service provided by the carrier. But they would have to PROVE that you were using the phone as such. If they start blocking people's phones because they're rooted, they're going to have some serious lawsuits on their hands.
Sucks hearing oh we don't know when we will do your promised 4g upgrade because we can't get tegra 2 working, but you hear that another tegra 2 tab is coming out right around the corner with 4g just fine. I will definitely be inquiring my verizon rep about what exchange or compensation they can do for this for their customers that paid for a contract with that promise of the first 4g tablet only to be left waiting with no answers.
Anyone else thinking about this?
im not sure I would want the galaxy 10.1 but I would like to see if I can get compensated some how props with the idea
Yeah, the Tab 10.2 may be a ****ty tablet but it will be a ****ty tablet with LTE.
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But galaxy tab won't launch with LTE, it will be available for pre-order without an ETA. For all we know it can be weeks or even months.
Read the press release, launch with LTE day one, as far as the worse tab comment, its tegra 2 like xoom, with better battery life and thinner and lighter, so no clue how it's "worse" in your mind.
Hope it kicks moto's ass to get it upgraded already
anyone want to buy a 4-month old 3G xoom from me? Come on already moto. Id return my xoom in a second if I could. What would I be giving up? I honestly don't know anymore. I remember a few months ago maybe it was a actual usb port (which I never use and I'm sure there'll be at least a proprietary connector) and sd card (which I don't have anyway). Am I missing something?
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I don't care about 4G LTE until they give us contract-less pay as you go data plans like they have for the iPad.
They already gave us a contract-less pay as you go plan like the ipad - if you buy off contract, the xoom costs the same as the ipad2 - a contract will give you $200 off the purchase price but it wasn't required.
$200 off is great if you were going to pay for the $20 a month anyway...
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They already gave us a contract-less pay as you go plan like the ipad - if you buy off contract, the xoom costs the same as the ipad2 - a contract will give you $200 off the purchase price but it wasn't required.
$200 off is great if you were going to pay for the $20 a month anyway...
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The activation fees are exactly the same as the iPad now? I thought the iPad could be activated/deactivated whenever for no fee, but the Xoom temporarily had no activation fee when you bought it, but an activation fee if you turned the service on/off/on.
i definitely agree. If nothing else Moto/Verizon should be forced to hear the criticism of people who have been given the run around by them. If a company can somehow believe that dicking people around will actually effect their sales they suddenly care about what people have to say. The fact that both the SD card and LTE have been completely ignored (other than to misleadingly boost initial sales), without any official eta or explanation AND that meanwhile other devices may be rolling out that provide these features, means that xoom owners are going to be at a disadvantage for believing in verizon and Motos empty sales propaganda.
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i definitely agree. If nothing else Moto/Verizon should be forced to hear the criticism of people who have been given the run around by them. If a company can somehow believe that dicking people around will actually effect their sales they suddenly care about what people have to say. The fact that both the SD card and LTE have been completely ignored (other than to misleadingly boost initial sales), without any official eta or explanation AND that meanwhile other devices may be rolling out that provide these features, means that xoom owners are going to be at a disadvantage for believing in verizon and Motos empty sales propaganda.
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There was never a promise for sd card from motorola, if you think I'm wrong post any video or evidence besides the fact theirs one there. As for 4g well the samsung tab isn't out yet so its a race. The reason you don't have 4g right now isn't because they can't get it to work with tegra 2. I will be upset if samsung tab gets 4g before xoom but motorola has never said or advertised anything about the sd slot.
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There was never a promise for sd card from motorola, if you think I'm wrong post any video or evidence besides the fact theirs one there. As for 4g well the samsung tab isn't out yet so its a race. The reason you don't have 4g right now isn't because they can't get it to work with tegra 2. I will be upset if samsung tab gets 4g before xoom but motorola has never said or advertised anything about the sd slot.
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Yeah because it makes perfect sense for a manufacturer to spend money including an SD card slot when they never intend to activate it, the functionality is implied, because the slot exists. I like my Xoom as much as anyone, but if the Galaxy tab has a functioning LTE modem and working SD card slot on 6/6, I'll be calling everyone in the food chain at VZW, as a customer of almost 15yrs, they will replace this Xoom....
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Yeah because it makes perfect sense for a manufacturer to spend money including an SD card slot when they never intend to activate it. I like my Xoom as much as anyone, but if the Galaxy tab has a functioning LTE modem and working SD card slot on 6/6, I'll be calling everyone in the food chain at VZW, as a customer of almost 15yrs, they will replace this Xoom....
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Whatever logic you want to use is fine with me, my only point is that it has NEVER been advertised by motorola. Now I will be highly upset if we don't get our 4G update soon, especially when in the press conference they said 2nd quarter so basically they have till the end of June. If they go past june and samsung comes with 4G I will go HAM on a verizon rep
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There was never a promise for sd card from motorola, if you think I'm wrong post any video or evidence besides the fact theirs one there. As for 4g well the samsung tab isn't out yet so its a race. The reason you don't have 4g right now isn't because they can't get it to work with tegra 2. I will be upset if samsung tab gets 4g before xoom but motorola has never said or advertised anything about the sd slot.
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Yes they did! they said the SD card would be activated in a future software upgrade...
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Yes they did! they said the SD card would be activated in a future software upgrade...
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I've been on their website since the xoom was annouced and I've seen every commercial and youtube, never a mention of sd only upgradeable to 4G
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Read the press release, launch with LTE day one, as far as the worse tab comment, its tegra 2 like xoom, with better battery life and thinner and lighter, so no clue how it's "worse" in your mind.
Hope it kicks moto's ass to get it upgraded already
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Press release clearly states
Customers will be able to pre-order the device online on June 8
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And we know that when vzw or Samsung says "coming weeks", that usually doesn't mean 1-2 weeks.
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Yeah because it makes perfect sense for a manufacturer to spend money including an SD card slot when they never intend to activate it, the functionality is implied, because the slot exists. I like my Xoom as much as anyone, but if the Galaxy tab has a functioning LTE modem and working SD card slot on 6/6, I'll be calling everyone in the food chain at VZW, as a customer of almost 15yrs, they will replace this Xoom....
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I have a toggle on my 2 year old electronic door lock for my house labled "for future update" it will never be update nor do I care point is people include stuff all the time on things that don't work..another example is the USB slot on my dvr...completely inop
Straight from motorola. Not happening for a while
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/06/02/motorola-admits-defeat-in-race-to-4g-lte/
I think you're wrong.
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There was never a promise for sd card from motorola, if you think I'm wrong post any video or evidence besides the fact theirs one there. As for 4g well the samsung tab isn't out yet so its a race. The reason you don't have 4g right now isn't because they can't get it to work with tegra 2. I will be upset if samsung tab gets 4g before xoom but motorola has never said or advertised anything about the sd slot.
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From the Xoom Wifi Troublehooting FAQs:
"The microSD Card Slot is currently not active but a future software upgrade will enable this device to support up to a 32GB microSD card."
motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/63782/p_country_code/US
From the Xoom User Guide, 10th page:
"Photos and videos are stored on your microSD memory card."
motorola.com/staticfiles/Support/US-EN/TABLETS/XOOM/US-EN/Documents/StaticFiles/68014293001a.HC.030111.pdf
And also from the Xoom (not Wifi-only version) FAQ:
The microSD Card Slot is currently not active but a future software upgrade will enable this device to support up to a 32GB microSD card.
motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/62524/kw/sd/p/7901%2C7906%2C/p_country_code/US/p_reference/moto_integration.php