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Verizon Nexus One Officially Dead

http://googlenexusoneboard.blogspot.com/2010/04/update-on-nexus-one-partnerships.html
Nexus One News and Updates
Monday, April 26, 2010
An update on Nexus One partnerships
When we launched Nexus One in January, we announced partnerships with Vodafone in Europe and Verizon Wireless in the US. We have news on both fronts.
Today, Vodafone begins accepting pre-orders for Nexus One from customers in the United Kingdom at www.vodafone.co.uk/nexusone, and on April 30th Vodafone will start selling Nexus One in their UK stores, online, and over the phone. Soon after, they will also begin selling Nexus One in France (SFR), Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Spain. Vodafone is our first European partner to distribute the Nexus One.
In the US, if you’ve been waiting for the Nexus One for Verizon Wireless’ network, head over to http://phones.verizonwireless.com/htc/incredible to pre-order the Droid Incredible by HTC, a powerful new Android phone and a cousin of the Nexus One that is similarly feature-packed. It will be available in stores on April 29th.
We are very pleased with the amazing pace of innovation and strength of the Android ecosystem and to be working with partners around the world to bring the Android experience to more people.
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BOOM.
Verizon Nexus One goes POOF.
My guess? Verizon didn't want the phone due to the 3G issues. Not that it's definitely a hardware issue, but they probably didn't want to take the chance.

Paul22000 said:
BOOM.
Verizon Nexus One goes POOF.
My guess? Verizon didn't want the phone due to the 3G issues. Not that it's definitely a hardware issue, but they probably didn't want to take the chance.
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Why would the CMDA version have the same 3G issues? It would have used a completely different radio than the current N1. I highly doubt that was the reason. My guess it that they either believe the Incredible would take too many N1 sales to make it profitable, or Verizon wants more control of the device than Google is willing to give them.
Regardless, it's not completely dead yet and there's still a chance Sprint will get it. I still don't know how well an unlocked CDMA phone could work though.

Doubtful that the 3G issues had anything to do with it. They most likely didn't want 2 nearly identical models to deal with. It wouldn't make any sense to carry both the Nexus One and the Incredible. On top of that, the Nexus One wouldn't be filled with the Verizon bloatware that the Incredible most likely will be.

Verizon probably wouldn't budge on their programming prices for the phones is the most likely reason.

I'm sure it had everything to do with the fact that why would you buy a phone for 529 when you can get almost the same phone for 199. N1 would have super failed on Verizon worse than TMO and ATT versions

PrawnPoBoy said:
Why would the CMDA version have the same 3G issues? It would have used a completely different radio than the current N1.
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I believe the issues are with the radio being at the bottom, so the signal dropping by hand covering the bottom would affect it the same way.
I highly doubt that was the reason. My guess it that they either believe the Incredible would take too many N1 sales to make it profitable, or Verizon wants more control of the device than Google is willing to give them.
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Well, the Incredible has no bloatware to be found (see the videos on YouTube, particularly the ones by "jon4lakers"). The device is completely untouched, especially in comparison to AT&T's Backflip.
Regardless, it's not completely dead yet and there's still a chance Sprint will get it. I still don't know how well an unlocked CDMA phone could work though.
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I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.

I don't think they had planned to sell the phone standalone. It would have been subsidized like the t-mobile plan.

It's not too complicated...
Neither verizon..nor HTC would like for N1 to directly compete with their new phone. Google also has mentioned many times that N1 is not a competition to other android phones. they don't want to upset their partners.
Verizon just launched incredible, which is almost the same as nexus one. Verizon can change the name of incredible to match their droid branding.. which is not possbile with nexus one
further, incredible is verizon phone and they get all the profit from it.. not google. when I was talking with t-mobile they told me that T-Mobile has no profit or financial agreement with google.. infact the subsidy on the phone is by google and not t-mobile.
Again.. i can't stress more..but all phones have problems when back is covered. All phones have specific intructions in user manual to avoid covering the back. N1 does not have 3G issues.. it's t-mobile

Paul22000 said:
I believe the issues are with the radio being at the bottom, so the signal dropping by hand covering the bottom would affect it the same way.
Well, the Incredible has no bloatware to be found (see the videos on YouTube, particularly the ones by "jon4lakers"). The device is completely untouched, especially in comparison to AT&T's Backflip.
I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
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You are correct, CDMA phones cannot be transferred between Sprint and Verizon

arkavat said:
It's not too complicated...
Neither verizon..nor HTC would like for N1 to directly compete with their new phone. Google also has mentioned many times that N1 is not a competition to other android phones. they don't want to upset their partners.
Verizon just launched incredible, which is almost the same as nexus one. Verizon can change the name of incredible to match their droid branding.. which is not possbile with nexus one
further, incredible is verizon phone and they get all the profit from it.. not google. when I was talking with t-mobile they told me that T-Mobile has no profit or financial agreement with google.. infact the subsidy on the phone is by google and not t-mobile.
Again.. i can't stress more..but all phones have problems when back is covered. All phones have specific intructions in user manual to avoid covering the back. N1 does not have 3G issues.. it's t-mobile
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I disagree. I see 0 downsides from having both the N1 and the Incredible available.
- The phone market in both cases is HTC, so they don't care.
- The carrier will be Verizon in both cases, so they don't care.
The only difference is that someone who has a strong preference for the N1 (standard OS, the looks, or otherwise), can get it.
A Verizon N1 will only bring in MORE customers to Verizon and HTC; there's no way it could affect either of them negatively.

I don't get it.
Beyond not trying to screw their partnership with HTC by having both the Incredible and Nexus One on Verizon at the same time this doesn't make much sense. GSM is the way to go for an open platform anyway. It's a lot easier to just switch out the SIM. No need to contact Verizon or Sprint to let them know which phone you're running.

There is overhead such as the per device training on support, stocking, advertising, that come with any handset. On cdma you do not get the advantages of having a sim and on verizon you already have another phone that is very similar but superior in some respects. Most importantly to the average user who does not know about and will never do many of the things that we would call advantages with the nexus one the things like 8 megapixel camera loom larger. It would be my guess that verizon looked at the number of expected sales versus the cost of carrying the handset and decided it didnt pencil out, simple as that. One thing for certain, it always comes down to the money.

krabman said:
There is overhead such as the per device training on support, stocking, advertising, that come with any handset. On cdma you do not get the advantages of having a sim and on verizon you already have another phone that is very similar but superior in some respects. Most importantly to the average user who does not know about and will never do many of the things that we would call advantages with the nexus one the things like 8 megapixel camera loom larger. It would be my guess that verizon looked at the number of expected sales versus the cost of carrying the handset and decided it didnt pencil out, simple as that. One thing for certain, it always comes down to the money.
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Very well said.
Paul,
Verizon and HTC are both together in incredible. Verizon has invested in that phone. They want it to sell more than Nexus One.
Google makes lot of money from N1... they released the revenue this quarter... and none of that went to T-Mobile.

arkavat said:
Google makes lot of money from N1... they released the revenue this quarter... and none of that went to T-Mobile.
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Can you provide a link for this?
I have never seen Google or T-Mobile say anything official about how the profits from the phone are distributed. (And I doubt they would do something like this, as companies usually do not.)

Actually, the article didn't say the Nexus One for Verizon was dead. It just suggested buying the Incredible, similar to how they pointed people to the Droid previously in the "can't wait" link. The AT&T N1 came from nowhere.
Paul, you may be right, but I'd wait for further clarification on this before I'd pronounce the VZ-N1 dead.
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I disagree. I see 0 downsides from having both the N1 and the Incredible available.
- The phone market in both cases is HTC, so they don't care.
- The carrier will be Verizon in both cases, so they don't care.
The only difference is that someone who has a strong preference for the N1 (standard OS, the looks, or otherwise), can get it.
A Verizon N1 will only bring in MORE customers to Verizon and HTC; there's no way it could affect either of them negatively.
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I agree with this. Further, I would think that having a DEV phone on Verizon would be hugely important to Google. Until the Incredible/Desires are rooted, there is no DEV equivalent to the N1.
Like AT&T, Verizon doesn't have to support it to allow it to connect.

If this development is true its things like this make me more and more mad at the so called "premium" companies like Verizon. Always putting restrictions on what their customers can do instead of giving them the options they want.
Isnt that what people hate Apple for too?

krabman is right. you have 2 similar products, verizon backs the incredible though. they must have sat down and crunched numbers out and figured making a cdma verizon n1 wont be worth it vs its projected sales.

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I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
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It has been done before with older phones. However, I'm not to sure about the current smart phones.

Well ****. The Incredible's hardware is impressive, but it is looking to be one closed POS like every other recent HTC phone. It'll also probably have the ridiculous memory protection scheme of HTC that prevents writing to the system partition. Sounds like the deal between Google and Verizon fell through, because there's definitely code in AOSP for the CDMA mahimahi. The problem is that Verizon can decide whatever comes in or out of their network and they are likely none too pleased with Google's new business model.
No fastboot oem unlock = ABSOLUTELY the wrong direction for Android, do not like.

Maybe the outdated TouchPad 2000 that the N1 is using?

Dell Streak not available in the US...

...buy why?
I've been following the Streak for as long as its been rumored, and I haven't seen this brought up.
Why do you guys think that Dell decided to go to the UK first, and so much earlier, than in the US? Seems weird for a US-based tech company to release what looks to be a very high-profile device outside of the US, so much earlier, and not even in a comparably-sized market (if they released in "Europe" first that might make SOME sense...but in the UK only?)
The ONLY thing I could come up with is that they are using the UK as a test market, either for the hardware itself, or for their incarnation of Android. Perhaps an update to 2.1 on the US launch? Though that is rumored to be coming in January 2011, not on launch date.
Any other theories/facts out there?

I have a Streak and it is very good! I don't know why they released in the UK first, but I am pleased it did.
When it gets to the US it'll only increase the follwoing and developments will rocket. So I for one am looking forward to it too.
I am sure our cousins from across the pond are gonna love it

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I am sure our cousins from across the pond are gonna love it
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Only if they come out with a T-mobile 3g version
2 GB per month isnt enough and Att sucks!

2Gb per month? On O2 (and Vodafone - dunno about the rest) we get 500mb a month for the £5 a month data plan. Then another £5 per 500mb thereafter.

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Only if they come out with a T-mobile 3g version
2 GB per month isnt enough and Att sucks!
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I'm looking to go from my G1 to the Streak but only on T-Mobile. If I'm switching carriers it sure WON'T be to AT&T!

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Any other theories/facts out there?
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I personally think that Dell is just way behind with their mobile phone department, being completely new to the game. 02 was probably the first real and successful partner that decided to pair up with Dell. Considering they are so hush-hush about the US release it makes me think the only reason for such a delayed launch is a delay in partnership. Or it could be because whoever their US partnership is has to wait until a previous contract is up. Or it could possibly be that nobody in the US wanted to partner with Dell so they decided to release it in the UK, to see potential interest/outcome around the world. Rumor has been going around that the US maybe released with 2.2, which wouldn't matter. Software is always upgradeable, hardware (which I think will be the exact same as the UK models and beta models) is not.
As for the Beta Streak's (from Texas), what an absolute joke. Dell has done a terrible terrible job at keeping their US customer's happy or in the 'know' thus far. And then once they decide to give it some publicity, it is to such a wide ranged age group that is mostly physically active. Now I am not saying most competent high-end phone owners are not active, I am just saying that most do not run races. (I would for a free Streak!)
Considering they have a page on their store for the coming-soon 'Aero', why not do the same for the Streak?
And if it is due to none of the above, then maybe the US is in for a big surprise with their model. But I highly doubt that. Everyone else currently with a Streak would be extremely upset (I know I would).
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dell streak i have had for 2week now its the most awesome device i have ever had the chance to get my mutty paws on and i have had alot of devices with froyo 2.2 this will be unstopable and did you know there is a micro sd card x 2 in this device yes the other one is hdden inside to instal apps on 2gb and can be chnged to a 32gb if pleased plusa another 32gb external how about that then.

I think you should change your plan my friend, I get 3gb per month and unlimited wifi at the cloud with o2 for £15 per month although this is the data only plan.
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2Gb per month? On O2 (and Vodafone - dunno about the rest) we get 500mb a month for the £5 a month data plan. Then another £5 per 500mb thereafter.
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Muo said:
I personally think that Dell is just way behind with their mobile phone department, being completely new to the game. 02 was probably the first real and successful partner that decided to pair up with Dell. Considering they are so hush-hush about the US release it makes me think the only reason for such a delayed launch is a delay in partnership. Or it could be because whoever their US partnership is has to wait until a previous contract is up. Or it could possibly be that nobody in the US wanted to partner with Dell so they decided to release it in the UK, to see potential interest/outcome around the world. Rumor has been going around that the US maybe released with 2.2, which wouldn't matter. Software is always upgradeable, hardware (which I think will be the exact same as the UK models and beta models) is not.
As for the Beta Streak's (from Texas), what an absolute joke. Dell has done a terrible terrible job at keeping their US customer's happy or in the 'know' thus far. And then once they decide to give it some publicity, it is to such a wide ranged age group that is mostly physically active. Now I am not saying most competent high-end phone owners are not active, I am just saying that most do not run races. (I would for a free Streak!)
Considering they have a page on their store for the coming-soon 'Aero', why not do the same for the Streak?
And if it is due to none of the above, then maybe the US is in for a big surprise with their model. But I highly doubt that. Everyone else currently with a Streak would be extremely upset (I know I would).
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That statement is damning. Six months ago (late 2009/early 2010), the hardware in the "Dell Mini 5" (Streak) was cutting-edge, top-of-the-line. If they'd released then, they'd have had the fastest smartphone in the world. Now, we have the EVO, Nexus One, Incredible, DroidX, Captivate (in a week), iPhone 4, etc. The Dell Streak will be nothing more than your average high-end smartphone in a controversial form-factor, with an antiquated operating system.
I dunno, we'll see what I do. I was all-in for the Streak, because I really want the form-factor (larger screen, HDMI-out on the side for docking) and for Dell selling it unlocked (I don't want to buy through a carrier, or even have a contract, other than a month-to-month with T-Mobile or something), but the Streak is already looking pretty long in the tooth, and it hasn't even been released yet.
I think Dell really messed up on this one.
I think the worst of all is that you have this VERY passionate base of hardcore tech enthusiasts who really want this phone in the US, then Dell turns around, releases this phone in the UK, and is absolute silent about the plan for the US.
If they had any brains (which I really question at this point), they'd go to GDGT.com or something like that, find every person who has the Streak listed as a device they want, and ship them out. As of this moment, that is only 208 people. At $500 retail (though probably more like $300 at-cost), that's only about $100,000. I think Dell can afford that, and the good-will that it would build, from these extremely passionate users who will then go out and convince all of their friends, families, and others to buy this device, would more than recoup the cost.
Oh well. Over at StreakSmart, a LOT of people are looking at getting the Captivate now (or something else), and I have to say, while I was locked in for the Dell Streak, I'm going to be keeping my options open now. Every week that passes by, that 1GHz Snapdragon hardware set is getting older, more cool phones come out, and they have better versions of Android. It's going to be hard to seriously say "Dude...I'm gettin' a Dell!" too much longer...

lesday said:
I think you should change your plan my friend, I get 3gb per month and unlimited wifi at the cloud with o2 for £15 per month although this is the data only plan.
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Aye, I need the talk plan as much as I do the data. In any case, I took the Streak back - very little media codec support, shoddy audio quality, and lackluster graphics power eventually won over the 5in screen... I'm off to get a Galaxy S from either T-Mobile (coverage dependent) or Three, if Three get their fingers out of their ar$es and make the Galaxy S available.

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... I'm off to get a Galaxy S from either T-Mobile (coverage dependent) or Three, if Three get their fingers out of their ar$es and make the Galaxy S available.
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Crap, you better move over to the Captivate forum ASAP! For some reason, making any decision to go against the Streak here will get you flamed big time! I haven't seen that type of behavior on this board before so I was left scratching my head when I made the same decision.

As long as you take a balanced look at it the I don't think it should be flame worthy, but I know what you mean.
Apologies for the thread hijack as well - but it's not like there's a specific question being asked here.
Anyhow, I did really like the Streak for what it was, it's just that it didn't live up to the expectations of what I needed from it. FLAC support and decent audio quality is very important to me; the click and low level hiss in the background when the Streak played any audio was something I just couldn't live with.
I'll miss 5in of screen space, it must be said. Browsing on the Streak was a great experience, but seeing Quake 3 and the newer games coming out on the Galaxy, as well as integrated HW decoding of the major codecs (decoding 1080p on the fly? crikey!) are just another nail in the coffin.
Oh, and £54 for a dock so I can have HDMI out, and £25 for a USB charging cable? That's just rude.

Unfortunately those are things we haven't been able to compare here in the US. We have to rely on reviews until we can get them in hand. I'm sure that if I get both units in hand and the Dell strikes me as more usable, I'll buy it. I'm definitely going to be more critical of the Streak now that the Captivate will be out at the same time.

meatrocket said:
For some reason, making any decision to go against the Streak here will get you flamed big time! I haven't seen that type of behavior on this board before so I was left scratching my head when I made the same decision.
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For better or worse people are emotionally invested in their purchases so they take it personally when you say "F#ck Dell and their stupid Streak" like you did in the other thread, hence the flaming.

Why doesn't T-mobile ever step up.....

On things like this to offer their customers.......WTF???
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/03/sprint-to-get-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-this-november/
Even if Sprint does NOT get it why doesn't Tmo say "hey we'll take it!!"

When it comes to agreements between 2 or more business goliaths, I don't think its as simple as we'll take it. Lots of legal matters to get sorted out. Just look at all the drama it took to get the iPhone on AT&T to start with. They battled over details for awhile and still had issues after the release. Don't even wanna go into foreget tablets. Can we at least get a good list of smartphones on T-Mobile? One great phone and one very respectable phone (see Vibrant then MyTouch Slide) does not make for good choices when time to upgrade.

I was extremely excited about this Galaxy Tab, but in reality, the price is kind of a dealbreaker, and as far as I can tell, there is no wi-fi only version. I am not paying for another device on the network.
But as far as why T-mobile doesn't step up: it is just like mmalott says. Contracts have so many intricacies, so many things that have to get ironed out.
But for what it's worth, you don't know that they won't make it available for T-mobile yet. Maybe Samsung will go to all 4 carriers with it, you never know. We'll have to wait and see.

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On things like this to offer their customers.......WTF???
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/03/sprint-to-get-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-this-november/
Even if Sprint does NOT get it why doesn't Tmo say "hey we'll take it!!"
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I guess the G2 doesn't count? WTF is your problem? If you love Sprint so much cancel your contract and go with them.

The price is way to high for what is. For that price I can get a small fully functioning laptop that folds into a touch tablet.
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I'm happy that T-Mo is not trying to get all these first-gen experimental devices but focusing on the few solid and core devices along with providing great services.
This is what a normal consumer really needs.

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I'm happy that T-Mo is not trying to get all these first-gen experimental devices but focusing on the few solid and core devices along with providing great services.
This is what a normal consumer really needs.
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So true...

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When it comes to agreements between 2 or more business goliaths, I don't think its as simple as we'll take it. Lots of legal matters to get sorted out. Just look at all the drama it took to get the iPhone on AT&T to start with. They battled over details for awhile and still had issues after the release. Don't even wanna go into foreget tablets. Can we at least get a good list of smartphones on T-Mobile? One great phone and one very respectable phone (see Vibrant then MyTouch Slide) does not make for good choices when time to upgrade.
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that. plus there's the fcc approvals needed for each band/network it supports.

I've seen websites saying Verizon is getting it to, it's not unlikely that they are just releasing on all the carriers like they have with the Galaxy S series. They aren't even out of here yet are they? Didn't this happen before with the Galaxy S series, one company said we are getting it then the others followed?

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I guess the G2 doesn't count? WTF is your problem? If you love Sprint so much cancel your contract and go with them.
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My man/girl where on earth did you get the notion that I was Sprint fan? I have been with Tmo for 7+ years and would not even think about switching services!!! My original point being is why doesn't Tmo "make a play" for things such as the Tablet or even a good , better, best smartphone, even if we do not get them?
Granted given the response by "mmalot" looking at it that way I completely see why Tmo has taken the path it has.
I am happy with Tmo no doubt but I just wish their aggressiveness would equate to a better selection of phone choices, granted the Vibrant which I love is no slouch even with it shortcomings is still a great phone in its own rights.
Regarding a phone such as the G2 which has not come out yet I am sure it will be a worthy opponent I am NOT bashing Tmo I am suggesting that they become slightly more aggressive.
Make sure you have a valid point or even comprehend the statement that is in front of you before you go "bumping your gums" and comment such as you have done.
And in closing I do not have a problem with Tmo as I stated have been a loyal customer for 7+ years (when they were voicestream wireless)and will remain a customer but I like everyone else am entitled to their opinion and I will exercise it at will "heygrl", so please do not try and come at me like I am coming from left field, it was a "freedom of speech" moment.

I do know that a lot of the times the carriers have to bid on the phones/devices that they get. Depending on the manufacturer/device. Would you rather have a g2, mytouch hd, and possibly 2-3 other big devices by the end of the year, or would you rather have a galaxy S that is a little bit larger, without the Super amoled? Do remember that T-Mobile is dropping a ton of funds on rocking out the HSPA+ across the country super fast, and they're the 4th largest carrier. They have to choose a lot more carefully about where to invest then the others.

If someone has a vibrant now, the g2 wil be irrelevant by the time they have to upgrade again. Should not be releasing phones so fast, imo.
Also I may etf my contact and move off android because the fragmentation and slow updates/buggy devices are unbearable.
Almost regret not staying on at&t and getting am iphone. This is ridiculous.
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L8ter n8ter
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Actually it's: l8er n8er, but nice try at being witty without actually responding to the content in my post. These forums seem ripe with trolls.
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AT&T doesn't release an iPhone every year? T-Mobile releases 2 high-end devices within a few months and suddenly they need to slow down... according to other people they need MORE.. just stfu already.

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Actually it's: l8er n8er, but nice try at being witty without actually responding to the content in my post. These forums seem ripe with trolls.
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If you like locked down fancy looking feature phones and a barely working network then ATT is for you, and they'll gladly take your money, enjoy you iPhone 4, we don't care, it's your money

At the end of the day the real reason we're all with tmobile (don't lie) is because of their great plans/ pricing and awesome customer service. If that wasn't the case we'd be all on verizon. I think their approach with the vibrant/g2/faster network this year will play out very well for them.

I hate when people get offended if you tell your opinion about a company. Heygrl the way you reacted on the last page was childish. Grow up, I dont understand why people pledge loyalty to a company then act like blinded fanboys if you tell the truth about them.
T-Mobile obviously needs to step up. Whether they get this tablet or not isn't a dealbreaker for me. Especially if there is no wifi only version. However they need more phones, more high end state of the art phones. Verizon and Sprint are rumored to release 1.5 Ghz phones this year, they are not slouching. The G2's hardware will be completely obsolete by 2011, it will be a new generation of hardware. People seem to think this phone is the best ever because of HSPA+. What happens when you never reach those plateaus of speed and the first dual-core devices drop this year? Gonna feel buyers remorse huh.
It's also rumored that Samsung is working on the Galaxy S2 phone with a 2Ghz processor, 4gb of rom, 1gb ram, super amoled2 and 340ppi. Now THAT'S a revolution, but you ignorant fanboys would never see that because your devoted loyalty to a company makes you think the G2 will be the best phone ever. Such a joke...
HTC has a conference in a week or so, you think their best announcement will be the G2? Come on now. They are working on 1.5-2ghz phones, new battery and screen tech, and dual core devices.
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Even though I don't always agree with Tmobile's business sense I do like their more conservative nature. I don't need 3-5 phones with 2ghz cpus and the latest greatest iPhone at the cost dealing with the stereotypical corporate giant. All I ask for is at least 1 -2 comparable smartphones (MyTouch Slide & Vibrant delivered beautifully), good customer service, and keep your hands out of my pockets. I think T-Mobile has done an outstanding job at doing this. Dealing with Tmo has been a personal experience as compared to dealing with AT&T which was the usual your-the-little-guy thing.
Tmo has left me in wonder plenty of times. Where I live just got 3g but they were trying to sell me a 3G phone prior to that? Why are you guys selling the MyTouch Slide for only $20 less then the Vibrant? Am I missing something there? You guys are rolling out 4G!? But... there's plenty of places that don't even have coverage, EDGE, or 3G yet? Just some of the things that make me scratch my head sometimes but in the end, AT&T and Verizon don't leave me with the satisfaction that T-Mobile does.
Personally I don't want or need 20 smartphones to choose from. Too many problems for the network, the consumer, and the manufactures which will leave more often then not unhappy under the quantity over quality method of thinking.
At the end of the day its your choice based on your experiences and opinion. And this is a forum where people voice experiences and opinion. Just wish people could be more civilized about it so that others can hear/read them without the annoying gibberish.

I guess the real reason that people are so upset with T-mobile is because T-mobile was the first with an android phone and the first with the Google Nexus One phone, and they have lost that crown.
After Sprint got the HTC Hero, T-mobile wasn't the only android carrier anymore, and when Verizon got the Droid, they decided to buy up 95% of the high-end android smart-phones for the next 1.5 years.
AT&T rode iPhone popularity to the top. T-mobile failed to do this with Android. Looking at Android growth & popularity, locking up a few high end exclusives over the next 2-3 years could have propelled T-mobile into 3rd place in terms of subscribers. If I were to guess, then I would say that this is the reason why the CEO got the boot.
T-mobile is not doing that bad...what they aren't doing is beating out the competition with any of their handsets. Everything they release is done bigger or better by another carrier.
Its not as exciting as a 4G release, or a heavily marketed branded line of android phones like Verizon does... but clear away the smoke and mirrors and you'll have to admit that T-mobile is probably tied for 2nd at best (with Sprint), or at worst 3rd overall on android handsets.
The only thing they are missing is a 4.3" high end device to be the definitive 2nd place android carrier.
As for being #1... it won't ever happen. Verizon has 3x the subscribers and charges 20% more for service. They have the cash to burn to stay on top in terms of handset selection.... which they pretty much have to because iPhone lovers will never leave AT&T until the handset is available elsewhere

[Unconfirmed] T-Mobile Official Phone Support

So I had to unfortunate encounter of having to replace my new shiny tab because of an issue with the screen. However, I was told by the support tech that T-Mobile will roll out an update that will allow the device to be used as a fully functional phone around January. This is unconfirmed so far by official sources, but I thought it interesting nonetheless.
Cheers,
Robert

Hope it's true, it'll maybe encourage the other North American carriers to do the same.
For T-Mobile, it's probably cheaper than to have to writedown/restock all the returns as otherwise loyal T-Mobile customers are going to AT&T for Tabs, as well as not having to deal with all the failed flashes and the resulting "I don't know, it just stopped working" returns.

That will be lovely.

Seriously? I have 5 days left before I have to return my Tmo tab... I've been putting it off because really don't want to go AT&T...
Robert... I know you can't know for sure... but is your gut feeling that the support tech knew what he/she was talking about? How sure of it did they seem? eg any ambiguity on their part or did it seem like a done deal?

I'm on a few days left too. So tempted to return it for now and get a Nook to tide me over.
Would love phone functionality, but TMobile is doing my head in atm.
Rang them up earlier tonight to get my PAYG card sorted out (as can't update it online). With them wanting my social security number (don't have one) to my PIN number (never got one on a PAYG card), back to demanding my Social security number again (still don't have one), to them hanging up on me as I ask about phone functionality.
I'm at my wits end with Tmobile.
Guess it's going to end up being AT&T and flashed ROM I guess.

kg4mxz said:
So I had to unfortunate encounter of having to replace my new shiny tab because of an issue with the screen. However, I was told by the support tech that T-Mobile will roll out an update that will allow the device to be used as a fully functional phone around January. This is unconfirmed so far by official sources, but I thought it interesting nonetheless.
Cheers,
Robert
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I was talking to T-Mo Tech Support last week about the built-in Qik application and asked him why we didn't have the phone capability. He told me that it would probably be added soon, but I didn't really believe him at the time, figuring he didn't really know what he was talking about. Now I'm beginning to wonder if I judged him too harshly. It will be interesting to see if they charge extra for it, or if it will be included in our current plan.

It wouldn't surprise me if they did. T-Moble usually takes much more of a global view towards their products than all the other US carriers do. I guess it makes sense since they're a European provider & based there.

I just ported my cell number last night from AT&T to Simple Mobile. I've had time to use both devices and running the AT&T Tab at over twice the cost per month just isn't worth it. I can buy a new Tab every year with the money I save!
If the rumor is true, then I'd expect to see a test rom leak out sometime soon.

xexes said:
Seriously? I have 5 days left before I have to return my Tmo tab... I've been putting it off because really don't want to go AT&T...
Robert... I know you can't know for sure... but is your gut feeling that the support tech knew what he/she was talking about? How sure of it did they seem? eg any ambiguity on their part or did it seem like a done deal?
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The support rep was incredibly knowledgable and is infact an xda member. He seemed fairly certain this change was going to be rolled out.

Heres my question. If they do roll out this update, are they going to unblock whatever it is they are blocking and allow us to use our sim from another phone, or are we going to have to update the data plan they sold us to another plan that has voice?
Sent from Jt's Samsung Galaxy Tab!!

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Heres my question. If they do roll out this update, are they going to unblock whatever it is they are blocking and allow us to use our sim from another phone, or are we going to have to update the data plan they sold us to another plan that has voice?
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Even though thats more of a rhetorical question, I'd guess that yes, they'd eliminate the block.
Just because the Tab has a larger screen than the Vibrant doesn't meant its any more of a data hog.

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Even though thats more of a rhetorical question, I'd guess that yes, they'd eliminate the block.
Just because the Tab has a larger screen than the Vibrant doesn't meant its any more of a data hog.
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I guess it will depend on how money hungry they are.

Well, I know AT&T will never officially update their device for this. God for bid they do anything to take customers away from the iphone or ipad!

jtc442 said:
Heres my question. If they do roll out this update, are they going to unblock whatever it is they are blocking and allow us to use our sim from another phone, or are we going to have to update the data plan they sold us to another plan that has voice?
Sent from Jt's Samsung Galaxy Tab!!
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I would imagine that you would have to upgrade the plan.

I had an issue a little while ago and had to call into customer service. While i was on the phone, I asked the lady that was helping me about the possible update, and she told me there would be no updates pushed out from tmobile for the galaxy tab, they would all come straight from samsung. She told me i needed to check samsungs website for updates. Fixing to call back. I always get a different answer every single time i call them. Im not saying what the rep told you isnt true, im just adding what they told me.
Sent from Jt's Samsung Galaxy Tab!!

She's probably talking about Kies updates. But that is still a carrier-specific update, tied to the model number of the device.
In other words, Samsung is just the distributor, T-Mobile will still be the final arbiter on the updates.

SO get this, you guys know i work for t-mobile. A higher up told us the current tmo tab is going to be end of life soon.. RIGHT AFTER IT LAUNCHED..Because ...get this...."4G" Tab is coming out very soon. Honestly i could care less because Verizon/Att/Sprint/Tmo are all lies. there is no Such thing as 4G right now in the US, but we have not yet been educated on this update

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SO get this, you guys know i work for t-mobile. A higher up told us the current tmo tab is going to be end of life soon.. RIGHT AFTER IT LAUNCHED..Because ...get this...."4G" Tab is coming out very soon. Honestly i could care less because Verizon/Att/Sprint/Tmo are all lies. there is no Such thing as 4G right now in the US, but we have not yet been educated on this update
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Funny thing is, the current Tab IS 4G in terms of T-Mobile's marketing strategy, ie: Its already HSxPA capable, which is faster than other carriers 4G, hence the way they get away with marketing their Internet speeds as 4G, even though its not a new technology like Sprints.

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Funny thing is, the current Tab IS 4G in terms of T-Mobile's marketing strategy, ie: Its already HSxPA capable, which is faster than other carriers 4G, hence the way they get away with marketing their Internet speeds as 4G, even though its not a new technology like Sprints.
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But , correct me if im wrong, past HSPA enabled devices where maxed at 7.2 mbps, now the new HSPA+ devices ie. G2, Mytouch 4G are said to reach speeds of 42 mbps. I had a network tech in the store the other day and he was telling me how we are all ready done a full 4G conversion but they are playing the waiting game with Att/Verizon. Just like Comcast and Verizon. one advertises one speed then the 1 up each other every other month or so.

I'm actually waiting on either a ROM hack or an official phone inclusion before I buy the Tab. I simply can't see forking over this much dough on something that I can't use 24/7 like my HD2.
Thanks, OP, for the thread. I was about to start my own

Dell's Internal Usage of the DVP

Back when Dell first officially announced the Venue Pro, they made a big deal about how they were going to use this phone internally, replacing all their employees' Blackberries. This was a very strong selling point for me. My recent experiences with other Dell products had been decidedly negative, and I was very wary giving any more money to this company for another crappy product that they refused to support. My wife's laptop developed hard drive & hibernation/sleep problems, and Dell support stonewalled the multitude of user complaints in a similar fashion as they are now doing with the DVP.
The DVP had a compelling form factor and screen, and I was intrigued. I figured if the company was committing to using it internally, then they would fix whatever problems arose. I wonder if Dell employees are having this same spate of issues, if they've had to serve as guinea pigs for firmware updates, and how many have requested their Blackberries back? Any anonymous lurkers here wishing to chime in?

timtrout said:
Back when Dell first officially announced the Venue Pro, they made a big deal about how they were going to use this phone internally, replacing all their employees' Blackberries. This was a very strong selling point for me. My recent experiences with other Dell products had been decidedly negative, and I was very wary giving any more money to this company for another crappy product that they refused to support. My wife's laptop developed hard drive & hibernation/sleep problems, and Dell support stonewalled the multitude of user complaints in a similar fashion as they are now doing with the DVP.
The DVP had a compelling form factor and screen, and I was intrigued. I figured if the company was committing to using it internally, then they would fix whatever problems arose. I wonder if Dell employees are having this same spate of issues, if they've had to serve as guinea pigs for firmware updates, and how many have requested their Blackberries back? Any anonymous lurkers here wishing to chime in?
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Good point, I had forgotten about the employee phone issue. MS made big news for doing a similar thing for their employees....I wonder how many regret that step.
I recall the sleep/hiberation issue. I also recall that it was not isolated to Dell. Toshiba and HP had the issue on their laptops..and I assume many others did too. I don't recall seeing conversations with those companies until a fix was in place. I'm not advocating the silence part of anything....but Dell is not alone in keeping its collective mouth shut.
Does Samsung talk openly about the hardware issues on the Focus and Omnia? Does HTC talk opening about the amazing piece of crap called the surround? How about the wonderful display screen on the HD7.....
I think the difference is in how fast they respond with a fix. Samsung got many of the hardware issues tweeked in no time. I understand HTC fixed some hardware hiccups also. But so far....nothing from Dell. That is my irritant....not the keeping quiet....in the time since the problems were reported, they have released a Open market phone for Europe and India, they have released a phone for AT&T. Both with new FW. The Open market phone had a FW of 210 and has the same problem. the AT&T phone has a ROM of 209 and so far I don't see any reports of the same problem.....210 was released before 209......

I have a 8gb AT&T DVP and the problems are still there. I experience crashes and freezes. I haven't bothered sending it in after learning it takes 3-6 weeks to process the phone once they get it back. I don't think I can go that long without a phone. So, I will most likely be switching out the SD card to a 32gb and saying **** you to the dell warranty since it sucks anyways.(Covers defective phones but they are all defective)

Kenji117 said:
I have a 8gb AT&T DVP and the problems are still there. I experience crashes and freezes. I haven't bothered sending it in after learning it takes 3-6 weeks to process the phone once they get it back. I don't think I can go that long without a phone. So, I will most likely be switching out the SD card to a 32gb and saying **** you to the dell warranty since it sucks anyways.(Covers defective phones but they are all defective)
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If you're willing to swap out a card....why not try a Hard reset first....if you haven't already done so. I know its not the fix all...but sometimes it works. The 8g version was not known to have problems...so if you are seeing them....it might be something else....
Do a hard reset and see how the phone works afterwards....

Aww gotta got my apps all over again but it would be worth it if I don't have these issues anymore
How do I hard reset? Is it just that option to reset the phone?
Sent from my Venue Pro using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

To the original question, I seriously doubt anyone at dell and definitely no one at Microsoft is using the crap, no way these problems would have been left for so long if those employees could not use them.
They made a big fuss over the announcement but after that silence. You would think when they were actually deployed that would also be announced, methinks they used us as double beta testers (WP7 & DVP) and when the experiment failed spectacularly they shelved that project.

My brother works at Dell and he says the ARE using the DVP...I will have to ask him if anyone is complaining of issues.

peeps said:
My brother works at Dell and he says the ARE using the DVP...I will have to ask him if anyone is complaining of issues.
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Well that sure as hell explains why jack-nothing is getting done with these lemons. If they are trying to do any work on these things, they aren't getting more than 5 seconds of good hard nose grinding in, before this crap crashes.

efjay said:
To the original question, I seriously doubt anyone at dell and definitely no one at Microsoft is using the crap, no way these problems would have been left for so long if those employees could not use them.
They made a big fuss over the announcement but after that silence. You would think when they were actually deployed that would also be announced, methinks they used us as double beta testers (WP7 & DVP) and when the experiment failed spectacularly they shelved that project.
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I used to work at Microsoft and have a bunch of friends there, mostly in various field and sales positions. Just about everyone I have spoken to has a Windows Phone now, most of those are carrying the Focus. Nobody I know there has a DVP.

raremage said:
I used to work at Microsoft and have a bunch of friends there, mostly in various field and sales positions. Just about everyone I have spoken to has a Windows Phone now, most of those are carrying the Focus. Nobody I know there has a DVP.
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I know several people at Microsoft with the Dell. But there are not many.

Ditto.. I have a few friends at Xbox. I think it has to do with 2 things..
1) T-mobile sucks in Seattle and Redmond (Lots of Dead zones.. even in Pikes Market area, thats my experience anyway) - This would seem to be why, as someone noted, there seem to be more Focuses (and I noticed a lot of Surrounds as well) at MS.
2) The sales approach, as the phone wasn't available at T-mo stores in the WA area. I mean really didn't Dell realize when Google with a big budget AND T-mobile behind them couldn't sell the Nexus One and closed its online store this was NOT the way to go. They even repeated Google by coming out later with an AT&T version again only available online. Why did Dell think a LESS aggressive but yet similar "online only" sales approach would work.
3) Issues with the DVP from the start..

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Ditto.. I have a few friends at Xbox. I think it has to do with 2 things..
1) T-mobile sucks in Seattle and Redmond (Lots of Dead zones.. even in Pikes Market area, thats my experience anyway) - This would seem to be why, as someone noted, there seem to be more Focuses (and I noticed a lot of Surrounds as well) at MS.
2) The sales approach, as the phone wasn't available at T-mo stores in the WA area. I mean really didn't Dell realize when Google with a big budget AND T-mobile behind them couldn't sell the Nexus One and closed its online store this was NOT the way to go. They even repeated Google by coming out later with an AT&T version again only available online. Why did Dell think a LESS aggressive but yet similar "online only" sales approach would work.
3) Issues with the DVP from the start..
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Actually I think it was more about timing. WP shipped Oct 21 in Europe and November 8 in the USA. The first 'fixed' sells arrived on December 21. By then most MS employees not on sprint or Verizon had purchased the focus or the hd7.