Z1: To Keep, or Not To Keep. That is the question.

Z1: To Keep, or Not To Keep. That is the question. - Xperia Z1 General

My Z1 will be arriving mid next week, and for the past week I have been questioning my decision. Now I am seriously considering selling the phone unopened on eBay and await for the next Sony release. For some of you, it could be an easy decision, but for me, considering I won't be upgrading my phone for at least 2+ years, I really need to make a sound decision.
So I'll break down the Pros and Cons here, and maybe you guys can persuade me one way or the other:
Pros
- It's a Sony
- Quality build & design
- Waterproof
- Flagship specs
- 20MP Camera, obviously!
Cons
- Lose all Sony software-emulated features (like BIONZ, SteadyShot, X-Reality etc) when installing custom ROMs or even for just unlocking the bootloader (installing custom ROMs is important for me cus I will be using this device for a long time).
- Absolutely disgusting screen. Yes. I'm not saying this based on pre-production rumours. I have seen the latest reviews based on retail releases. It's crap. Don't even try to defend it. Period. And this is a real deal-breaker as screen is the most looked-at, most used, and most critical part of a smartphone.
- Shatter-resistant film applied over scratch-resistant screen. WTF Sony?!? The TOP surface SHOULD BE scratch-resistant!! Not on the second layer!! Then what dafuq is the point!!!
- To overcome the above Con, removing the scratch-prone shatter-resistant film also removes the following:
* Sony logo
* Warranty
- The above two Cons will force me to apply third party anti-scratch film, which I hate! It will further dampen the already bad screen and decrease touch sensitivity.
- Why Sony, why no Gorilla Glass?!? I've been using a phone with Gorilla Glass 2 for the past 3 years, and I put my phone in my pocket with all the junks like keys and coins, and not a SINGLE scratch!! How the heck is Z1 going to survive 1 day in my pocket????
- That bezel
- Z2. Why are we hearing about Z2 rumours already?? If Sony announces Z2 with IGZO Triluminos display at 2014 Jan CES, and I'm stuck with staring at the garbage Z1 screen for the next 2 years, I'm going to kill my self!
You see the dilemma I'm dealing with here. I'm leaning towards selling the Z1 and await 2014 CES.

there is a thread about keeping preorders or not already . The decision is all up to you.
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jos_031 said:
sony glass below the shatter film is scratch resistant. shatter film is not scratch resistant. the glass do not have oleophobic coating...dragon trail is supposed to be more scratch resistant than gorilla glass. and sony updates flagship every 6 months.. and you will hear next big thing always ...
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That's my point. Why put scratch resistance layer below??? It should be right at the top!
I understand Sony flagships update every 6 months. And there will always be better phones releasing every cycle. But my point is there are devices that are considered "milestones", meaning that purchasing such phones won't make you regret pulling the trigger and not wait for the next release.
This is the aspect why I envy other manufacturers like Samsung and HTC. All Samsung Galaxy S series from S2 onwards are so refined in terms of hardware, there's no problem upgrading every 2nd-gen. HTC One is also a milestone device, and there will be no regrets skipping HTC Two if you own an One. Sony seems like they are "experimenting" with us and release devices at a rapid fire that always have at least one major fault.
Z2 I think no doubt will be a milestone device, if and only if they use a proper display. Z1 is only one step away from this, and I'm not willing to be stuck with it for the next 2+ years.
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there is a thread about keeping preorders or not already . The decision is all up to you.
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Sorry, I thought that thread was for UK only.. well. looks like I'll be skipping Z1.

dw1llow said:
Z2 I think no doubt will be a milestone device, if and only if they use a proper display. Z1 is only one step away from this, and I'm not willing to be stuck with it for the next 2+ years.
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I understand your dilemma 100%. I'm like you: Research like crazy so I have a phone (or any other product) that will last me a good while (i.e. 2+ years, as you yourself said). My philosophy has always been to spend a few extra dollars initially to have the best, as I will be happier with it for longer, and with fewer upgrades (deemed) necessary, it'll be cheaper in the long run. That's what I did 2.5 years ago, when I settled with the Galaxy S2 - and I'm still using it today.
With an aging phone and some problems arising both from software and hardware, I've been hunting hard for a new phone. On top of that, I'm after a proper dedicated camera. Here comes along the dazzling Z1, and wow... Seems to disappoint - even if it turns out to be decent. Because decent just isn't good enough when you are investing in a device for the long-term.
Anyway, I haven't pre-ordered (yet), and I'm glad I held back (- although I came so close to doing so at one point). I don't like making such a big purchase where there's just too much confusion going around, which I guess should be a sign already to stay away from it. After all, a superb device does not draw such conflicting reviews; all are glowingly positive, even if its shine is reflected in varying measures from review to review.
There's something in me, though, that still wants to give it a fair go - but perhaps this is just wishful thinking on my part. I had banked so much interest in this phone that I felt like it was already going to be my upgrade, even though I act with caution and do not make a move without being informed and holding excellent confidence that it's the right choice. (I also cannot see anything else currently on the market which grabs my attention, and I'm not entirely sure that my S2 will hold up for another six months.) In saying that, then, I'm waiting for GSMArena and PhoneArena to contribute their critique, as well as having a feel for the device myself, firsthand.
Yes, I know you're utterly convinced that the screen is rubbish, but I just don't feel I have adequate evidence to accept that claim yet. You might well be correct, of course - and if you are I'd definitely say sell the thing (and I likewise won't be bothering with it). However, it sounds to me that you're making your judgement based on reviews alone, and I think it would be best to test the phone (at least a demo one) for yourself before you make your decision. After all, you'd be the one using it, and it would give you peace of mind knowing it was without a doubt no good if and when you do get rid of it.

Head on the screen on the Z1 is nothing short of impressive. Though like I have said on other threads, if viewing angles bother you then maybe this isn't the phone for you. Don't get me wrong viewing angles are not bad at all, but they are certainly not up to the standard of the htc One.

dw1llow said:
My Z1 will be arriving mid next week, and for the past week I have been questioning my decision. Now I am seriously considering selling the phone unopened on eBay and await for the next Sony release. For some of you, it could be an easy decision, but for me, considering I won't be upgrading my phone for at least 2+ years, I really need to make a sound decision.
So I'll break down the Pros and Cons here, and maybe you guys can persuade me one way or the other:
Pros
- It's a Sony
- Quality build & design
- Waterproof
- Flagship specs
- 20MP Camera, obviously!
Cons
- Lose all Sony software-emulated features (like BIONZ, SteadyShot, X-Reality etc) when installing custom ROMs or even for just unlocking the bootloader (installing custom ROMs is important for me cus I will be using this device for a long time).
- Absolutely disgusting screen. Yes. I'm not saying this based on pre-production rumours. I have seen the latest reviews based on retail releases. It's crap. Don't even try to defend it. Period. And this is a real deal-breaker as screen is the most looked-at, most used, and most critical part of a smartphone.
- Shatter-resistant film applied over scratch-resistant screen. WTF Sony?!? The TOP surface SHOULD BE scratch-resistant!! Not on the second layer!! Then what dafuq is the point!!!
- To overcome the above Con, removing the scratch-prone shatter-resistant film also removes the following:
* Sony logo
* Warranty
- The above two Cons will force me to apply third party anti-scratch film, which I hate! It will further dampen the already bad screen and decrease touch sensitivity.
- Why Sony, why no Gorilla Glass?!? I've been using a phone with Gorilla Glass 2 for the past 3 years, and I put my phone in my pocket with all the junks like keys and coins, and not a SINGLE scratch!! How the heck is Z1 going to survive 1 day in my pocket????
- That bezel
- Z2. Why are we hearing about Z2 rumours already?? If Sony announces Z2 with IGZO Triluminos display at 2014 Jan CES, and I'm stuck with staring at the garbage Z1 screen for the next 2 years, I'm going to kill my self!
You see the dilemma I'm dealing with here. I'm leaning towards selling the Z1 and await 2014 CES.
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For the most part your Pros and Cons is right but there are some misconceptions in your list.
SCREEN SHATTER PROTECTOR
First of all I have spoken to a representative in the Sony Center and he told me that the shutter protector with Sony logo is in fact replacable and it does NOT void the warranty. Apparently that is just a rumour that is spread around.
BOOTLOADER UNLOCKING
When it comes to bootloader unlocking and custom Roms it is true except you can use custom Roms build around the stock firmware and without changing the kernel without the need to unlock the bootloader. The ROMs build around stock usually provide a lot of improvements but of course without unlocking the bootloader AOSP, CM and such are out of the question.
Unlocking bootloader does not mean permanently loosing BE, X-reality and so on as long as you backup your TA keys. So you can always revert back to stock based firmware and revive your X-reality etc.
GLASS TECHNOLOGY
The glass technology used on Xperia Z1 similarly to Xperia Z can be either DragonTrail or Gorilla Glass. Both are tempered glass and industry standards. This has already been discussed in an Xperia Z thread. So yes it is possible that the front and back of your phone will be GG but it could also be a mix of DT or GG.
XPERIA Z2 (???)
As to Xperia Z2 rumours I would not worry about it too much as it is just a RUMOUR. From what I have heard it could be a 5.5"-5.7" phone to fill in the gap between Z1 and Z Ultra.
SCREEN
As to the screen my one came with yellow hue which annoys me a little bit but I hope it is gonna vanish in a week or so. The screen is not as bad as people portray it but that of course is a matter of personal preference.
BEZEL AND BUILT
The bezel on the phone might be a little bit on the larger side but the aluminum and glass premium feel compensates for everything. The phone is actually a lot more comfortable in hand than Z (due to rounded sides). No flap on the headphone jack is an awesome feature in a waterproof phone and the flaps are much better now and are easier to open and shut.

Have seen the screen in store and its absolutely fine - better than my S3 for sure. It's not top of the class, but its in the top 5 or 10.

If you are bothered by the screen on Z1 too much, then you shouldn't buy it. I had a look at Z1 today myself and I can say that it's screen is fine for me. If you like amoled or IPS for their good viewing angles then you'll probably not like the XZ1 screen. But I'll say this though that colour contrast & vibrance appears impeccable (head on)!. Everything else on the phone seems perfect to me & will probably buy it later today after checking out some other stores !

Tizza said:
I understand your dilemma 100%. I'm like you: Research like crazy so I have a phone (or any other product) that will last me a good while (i.e. 2+ years, as you yourself said). My philosophy has always been to spend a few extra dollars initially to have the best, as I will be happier with it for longer, and with fewer upgrades (deemed) necessary, it'll be cheaper in the long run. That's what I did 2.5 years ago, when I settled with the Galaxy S2 - and I'm still using it today.
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Hey exactly same position as you are. I've been trying to move on from my S2 all year. I've managed to hold back on Xperia Z, which I'm glad I did, and was very very excited for Z1. Which turned out to be BIG mistake after doing some post-purchase research.
I've got no brand loyalty, and I like purchasing the best phone just like you do so that it can last a long time without regrets, and I gotta say S2 with Cyanogenmod has been by far the best phone I've ever owned. I just thought Z1 was beast enough to fill its shoes.
shem2409 said:
For the most part your Pros and Cons is right but there are some misconceptions in your list.
SCREEN SHATTER PROTECTOR
First of all I have spoken to a representative in the Sony Center and he told me that the shutter protector with Sony logo is in fact replacable and it does NOT void the warranty. Apparently that is just a rumour that is spread around.
GLASS TECHNOLOGY
The glass technology used on Xperia Z1 similarly to Xperia Z can be either DragonTrail or Gorilla Glass. Both are tempered glass and industry standards. This has already been discussed in an Xperia Z thread. So yes it is possible that the front and back of your phone will be GG but it could also be a mix of DT or GG.
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In that case, I'd just remove the shatterproof film after it gets scratched. And won't replace it. I mean what's the point having scratch-resistant screen if it's not right on the top layer?? Just does not make sense. It's like wrapping yourself in gladwrap on top of a bulletproof vest
The phone is going to look ridiculous without that Sony logo though.
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BOOTLOADER UNLOCKING
When it comes to bootloader unlocking and custom Roms it is true except you can use custom Roms build around the stock firmware and without changing the kernel without the need to unlock the bootloader. The ROMs build around stock usually provide a lot of improvements but of course without unlocking the bootloader AOSP, CM and such are out of the question.
Unlocking bootloader does not mean permanently loosing BE, X-reality and so on as long as you backup your TA keys. So you can always revert back to stock based firmware and revive your X-reality etc.
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I guess I'd just have to compromise on this and be willing to ditch all the Sony features when moving onto CM w/ custom kernel. But it is a big comprise.
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XPERIA Z2 (???)
As to Xperia Z2 rumours I would not worry about it too much as it is just a RUMOUR. From what I have heard it could be a 5.5"-5.7" phone to fill in the gap between Z1 and Z Ultra.
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I actually don't mind Sony having a 6-month cycle on flagship releases. I just want them to release a phone that's decent enough to be held for 2+ years without regret. Just like my S2.
All in all, that was good feedback. You've swayed me a little towards keeping the Z1. But I'm still very uneasy about this phone... It's just a totally different feeling compared to when I pre-ordered Galaxy S2 couple of years back. Like I couldn't wait for it to arrive, so I went online and read all the previews and review and what not. At first, I had the exact same feeling with Z1, but as I read more and more about it on the net, I'm starting to regret getting into this.

dw1llow said:
Hey exactly same position as you are. I've been trying to move on from my S2 all year. I've managed to hold back on Xperia Z, which I'm glad I did, and was very very excited for Z1. Which turned out to be BIG mistake after doing some post-purchase research.
I've got no brand loyalty, and I like purchasing the best phone just like you do so that it can last a long time without regrets, and I gotta say S2 with Cyanogenmod has been by far the best phone I've ever owned. I just thought Z1 was beast enough to fill its shoes.
In that case, I'd just remove the shatterproof film after it gets scratched. And won't replace it. I mean what's the point having scratch-resistant screen if it's not right on the top layer?? Just does not make sense. It's like wrapping yourself in gladwrap on top of a bulletproof vest
The phone is going to look ridiculous without that Sony logo though.
I guess I'd just have to compromise on this and be willing to ditch all the Sony features when moving onto CM w/ custom kernel. But it is a big comprise.
I actually don't mind Sony having a 6-month cycle on flagship releases. I just want them to release a phone that's decent enough to be held for 2+ years without regret. Just like my S2.
All in all, that was good feedback. You've swayed me a little towards keeping the Z1. But I'm still very uneasy about this phone... It's just a totally different feeling compared to when I pre-ordered Galaxy S2 couple of years back. Like I couldn't wait for it to arrive, so I went online and read all the previews and review and what not. At first, I had the exact same feeling with Z1, but as I read more and more about it on the net, I'm starting to regret getting into this.
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Dude, seriously sitting on these forums would get anyone paranoid. The phone is really great and it is gonna get better as the updates start coming. Xperia Z right now is a million years ahead of what it was at release. The hardware is there so now we just need some smart people to tweak it to its full potential.

In my opinion the screen viewing angles not being amazing doesn't bother me as I always look at my phone head on
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sebbo90 said:
In my opinion the screen viewing angles not being amazing doesn't bother me as I always look at my phone head on
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Same with me also. I love the screen. I almost didn't buy the Z1 (and instead buy the Galaxy Note 3) because of all that negative statements about the Z1. I'm sure glad I went ahead and bought it anyways because I love the device and highly recommend it. If people want to feel more secure about the glass on the front and back, look for cases!

sebbo90 said:
In my opinion the screen viewing angles not being amazing doesn't bother me as I always look at my phone head on
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Well I do bulk of my usage in bed watching youtube or a movie as I fall asleep, so when I'm lying down the screen has to have a tolerant enough viewing cone so that I watch it in comfortable positions. I don't wanna be like having the phone always at a right angle and break my neck you know lol
Also, I put my phone down on my desk on my left side at work, beside my keyboard, and touch the phone without picking it up from time to time. And, my sight will not be within its viewing cone, and the screen will look all washed up.
I thought about it for a while and consciously think about the position of my phone to my eyes when I use my current phone, and you'd be surprised how often you look at the phone at variety of angles. I just never have thought about this before because I'm used to the AMOLED screen, and took it for granted. But with all the talk about this restricted viewing angle, I just know it's going to annoy the sht out of me..
Seriously.. had Z1 come with IPS or IGZO display, even without that Triluminos tech, this would have been THE phone for me for the next 2 years.

dw1llow said:
In that case, I'd just remove the shatterproof film after it gets scratched. And won't replace it. I mean what's the point having scratch-resistant screen if it's not right on the top layer?? Just does not make sense. It's like wrapping yourself in gladwrap on top of a bulletproof vest
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I just saw phoneArena's unboxing of the Z1 and apparently Sony chucks in a screen protector (with cleaning cloth) if that means anything to you (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4nK_gDaeas). *shrug* In any case, their review should be just around the corner! Stay tuned... It might not be as bad as you've read so far.
dw1llow said:
All in all, that was good feedback. You've swayed me a little towards keeping the Z1. But I'm still very uneasy about this phone... It's just a totally different feeling compared to when I pre-ordered Galaxy S2 couple of years back. Like I couldn't wait for it to arrive, so I went online and read all the previews and review and what not. At first, I had the exact same feeling with Z1, but as I read more and more about it on the net, I'm starting to regret getting into this.
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I hear ya! The Galaxy S2 was my first smartphone and while I waited for the phone to be made available I couldn't get enough of finding reviews either, all of which portrayed the phone as something truly special.
I can see why you would totally want to sell the thing quick-smart and forget you ever made such a lousy purchase. Try to be sensible here, though. You sound like you try to be a reasonable person, but I think you were largely acting upon emotion when you first made this thread. That's entirely understandable; I myself hate it when I make a poor decision with my finances, and the first thing I want to do is put it behind me. However, take a step back, a deep breath, and rationally think this through before you make a decision!

Thanks for all the feedback. I've read the GSMArena review, and I'm sold! I just hope I win the display lottery (fingers crossed)

So, you spend a lot of cash (or your dady cash) in a phone, you havent got it yet, not touch it, not lay your eyes on it, dont even make a call with it, then you read the opinión of others guys and then you say: should i keep it or not??.........really???how old are u?? Wtf?? Why you just dont use it and get your own opinión and then decide??

dw1llow said:
My Z1 will be arriving mid next week, and for the past week I have been questioning my decision. Now I am seriously considering selling the phone unopened on eBay and await for the next Sony release. For some of you, it could be an easy decision, but for me, considering I won't be upgrading my phone for at least 2+ years, I really need to make a sound decision.
So I'll break down the Pros and Cons here, and maybe you guys can persuade me one way or the other:
Pros
- It's a Sony
- Quality build & design
- Waterproof
- Flagship specs
- 20MP Camera, obviously!
- Absolutely disgusting screen. Yes. I'm not saying this based on pre-production rumours. I have seen the latest reviews based on retail releases. It's crap. Don't even try to defend it. Period. And this is a real deal-breaker as screen is the most looked-at, most used, and most critical part of a smartphone.
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List the reviews you're talking about - not my experience at all
and if you look at a thread started here by a new owner and X Z owner he doesn't agree - in saying that I think you've answered your own question - go by an HTC1 or S4 and stop
Oh and have you even had a Z1 in your hand - go to a store and look at it

Man what is with all these whiny posts in this forum!?
I'm sick and tired of people posting unsubstantiated posts like they're fact and then crying like spoiled little kids. Check your sources and grow the **** up!
*sigh* Time for another XDA-free month for me

rage77 said:
Man what is with all these whiny posts in this forum!?
I'm sick and tired of people posting unsubstantiated posts like they're fact and then crying like spoiled little kids. Check your sources and grow the **** up!
*sigh* Time for another XDA-free month for me
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Your name seems quite representative of your feelings my friend. Other than that I do agree with you though.
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When will HTC sort out build issues ?

A lot of people are complaining about the gaps and build quality of the one.
Any idea if HTC has acknowledged this and doing something about it as in a recall or releasing another batch ?
I am waiting to order mine but not with all these issues. I'd rather wait abit if they gonna sort it out.

I think if you go into the threads regarding build issues, you're going to read a lot of posts about them. Those threads make it seem like a problem, but that group of people is a minority. Also, some of these "build issues" people have are things that others wouldn't consider a problem. For example, some people would not even know their phone wasn't "perfect" had they not read those threads and begun actively searching for the tiniest of gap or misalignment. There won't be a recall because the majority of customers either don't have these problems, or don't look at their phone under a microscope to look for gaps. If people analyzed other phones as closely, they'd find imperfections as well.
True, some of the phones build quality is off, but you have very goods odds of not getting one.

Unless it's a major defect or it's falling apart
Shut up
Put a case on it
Move on with your life
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superchilpil said:
Unless it's a major defect or it's falling apart
Shut up
Put a case on it
Move on with your life
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seriously... so sick of mobile hypochondriacs...

superchilpil said:
Unless it's a major defect or it's falling apart
Shut up
Put a case on it
Move on with your life
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+OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :good:

Hmmm... Picked mine up today
(because RadioShack is the devil)
It's flawless!
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what build quality? mine developer edition is perfectly built! love that aluminum body, love that boom sound, love that 468 ppi screen, love zoe

You could always have the store open it for you before you buy it. But overall it isn't as bad as it seems. People next XDA are just overly picky, they rather stare at a phone for flaws then actually just use their phones.
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I got mine yesterday, while I am very picky about my phone's, I really don't want to return it.
First, I took it out of the box at home. I saw the legendary "gap" at the top especially, which could get worse in the future, let in dust or wven worse. Then I saw that both corners at the bottom of the phone aren't made well, since the aluminium plate that covers the botom speaker kind of goes over the polycarbonate sides. Put it in my pocket, those 2 sharp edges get stuck somewhere, I pull out my One and tada: I might pull of the aluminium plate of the bottom speaker.
Then again, I started using the phone for an hour and I fell in love (no joke). The thing that blew me away the moest were those speakers... OMG they are fantastic. I haven't been so impressed about a mobile phone in years. The screen was fantastic also (no dead pixels afaik). All in all I love it so much, I wish I could just keep it. But since everything is still pack nicely in the box (charger, earbuds, everything) I will just put the One back init's protective plastic (which is very easy btw, nice) and go back to the store.
Why not try to get a solid build? In the end, they promised zero gap.. Right? But really, I think it's a pretty "real" problem. Even my girlfriend (which also loves the device) said I should go back and doesn't understand why they released these device.. Since you're paying a lot for these products, you'd expect a better made product.
Note: most people wouldn't notice these problems. I'm sure 90%+ of the people I would have showed my One too, would not have seen it. So if you don't mind these kind of small things, don't be afraid!

ataft said:
I think if you go into the threads regarding build issues, you're going to read a lot of posts about them. Those threads make it seem like a problem, but that group of people is a minority. Also, some of these "build issues" people have are things that others wouldn't consider a problem. For example, some people would not even know their phone wasn't "perfect" had they not read those threads and begun actively searching for the tiniest of gap or misalignment. There won't be a recall because the majority of customers either don't have these problems, or don't look at their phone under a microscope to look for gaps. If people analyzed other phones as closely, they'd find imperfections as well.
True, some of the phones build quality is off, but you have very goods odds of not getting one.
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Agree! If I did know the gap problem before, I cannot notice my One has a small gap.

This thread should be closed. It's pointless.
My HTC One was perfect.

Got mine at the weekend and have to say it looks like I have very minor gaps around the edge although not sure they're gaps could just be misaligned edges, but the phone is amazing and if it was a Samsung no one would care it was made like a kinder egg or mcdonalds happy meal toy.
HTC One is a beautiful device which is absolutely the best device on the market, and i've tried them all.
Helps that it's insured so I can always replace it if any faults occur, but I doubt they will.

Mine was perfect, can't find a single flaw... aesthetically at least.

the_chang said:
A lot of people are complaining about the gaps and build quality of the one.
Any idea if HTC has acknowledged this and doing something about it as in a recall or releasing another batch ?
I am waiting to order mine but not with all these issues. I'd rather wait abit if they gonna sort it out.
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I've looked at the One at three different retailers now, and they all had issues with the cases. The first was coming apart all over, the second had the top front aluminum speaker plate coming off on the top and bottom left side of the plate. The third was starting to separate at the top as well.
Three out of three -- cases coming apart.
This thread is not pointless. This thread is exposing an issue that the die-hard fans who just spent a lot of money don't want to be true.
HTC better be reading these forums and fixing their problems FAST!

Well lets see some photos of this build quality issue. That way others will know what to look for.
Every make or model will have a certain percentage of faults from the iPhone , to Samsung Galaxy and Nokia etc...

Late but still relevant somewhat
So I bought an Htc One M7 back in May 2014 and build quality was superb. I would like to think that HTC has fixed the issues of old M7 models. Two months ago after dropping my phone accidentally for the 5th time there is a gap on the top where the display meets the plastic. This is 100% due to the drop of the phone. Long story short HTC has listened and fixed the gap issue yay!

Never. HTC is the worst company ever created. The only phone htey created that was "ok" was the M9. The rest are a piece of ****. Go buy an iPhone 6s, way better.

Sinistersky said:
Never. HTC is the worst company ever created. The only phone htey created that was "ok" was the M9. The rest are a piece of ****.
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Thats right HTC is a s****y company and never did anything good except the m9 .....
Won the Best Mobile of 2010 with the HTC Hero
Made the first ever Nexus device in 2010
Won the Manufacturer of the Year in 2011
3rd most highly valued smartphone-maker in the world - 2011
Won the Best Mobile at MWC in 2013 - HTC One M7
Won the Best phone of 2014 - HTC One M8
And they have made the first android phone ever - HTC Dream
.... what a sh***y brand....:laugh:

alray said:
Thats right HTC is a s****y company and never did anything good except the m9 .....
Won the Best Mobile of 2010 with the HTC Hero
Made the first ever Nexus device in 2010
Won the Manufacturer of the Year in 2011
3rd most highly valued smartphone-maker in the world - 2011
Won the Best Mobile at MWC in 2013 - HTC One M7
Won the Best phone of 2014 - HTC One M8
And they have made the first android phone ever - HTC Dream
.... what a sh***y brand....:laugh:
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You throw a banquet in a hotel and get a nice award afterwards. User experience is where it counts. The iPhone didnt get as many rewards, and oh wow, the usage time with 4g is now 9 hours, and standby with that is 35 h. Maybe it's not 235 hours like most HTC can do, but why the **** would I need to have the phone in standby for 235 hours. On the other hand, my M7 lasts for about, 4 hours usage time with WiFi. So yes, in my expirience, the iPhone is so much more faster, snappier and has more usage than my piece of **** M7. :good:

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You throw a banquet in a hotel and get a nice award afterwards.
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Thats right MWC and GMA is only a banquet in a hotel.... :laugh:
User experience is where it counts
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Guess what are the criteria?
Our judges will assess and select handsets, devices and tablets based on the following criteria:
Physical design innovation and form factor
Device performance such as HTTP throughout, WEB Browser elapsed time, RX sensitivity, relative call set up and success rate
Multi Band support
Genuine Innovation deployed e.g. in UI, form factor, technology, features
Product usefulness in terms of functionality and features
Simplicity of use – such as an intuitive user interface
Wide range of applications and features supported
Unique attributes
Price point versus Value for money
Market success
User experience (battery life, talk time, call quality, personalisation)
http://www.globalmobileawards.com/c...es/5a-b-c-d-best-mobile-handsets-and-devices/
The iPhone didnt get as many rewards
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Actually, Apple dit get awarded many times in the GMA for example Best Mobile in 2011 with the Iphone4 and best Tablet in 2012 and 2014.... but I guess that doesn't count since this is only a random banquet in a hotel
So yes, in my expirience, the iPhone is so much more faster, snappier and has more usage than my piece of **** M7. :good:
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I'm not here to judge your experience or to debate if the Iphone is better than any other phone (Hence why I didn't quoted the Iphone part of your first post), its your choice to prefer one over the other and thats fine, I don't care. Iv replied to your post because of the "HTC never did anything good" part and wanted to share with you some good things they have made over the years, unfortunately, looks like this was only wasted time.
Peace

Anyone else having trouble deciding?

I'm having a hard time deciding what my next phone will be. I'm stuck between the Xperia Z1 and the Note 3. I really like how big the note 3 is but at the same time the camera and waterproofing in the xperia is very attractive. How are you guys coping with this decision?

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I'm having a hard time deciding what my next phone will be. I'm stuck between the Xperia Z1 and the Note 3. I really like how big the note 3 is but at the same time the camera and waterproofing in the xperia is very attractive. How are you guys coping with this decision?
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Same here. I really wanted a waterproof phone. Maybe they will have an Active version without watering down the specs.

goodwinod said:
Same here. I really wanted a waterproof phone. Maybe they will have an Active version without watering down the specs.
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That would be very exciting. Here's hoping.

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That would be very exciting. Here's hoping.
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Can you explain to me why that's important to you? Waterproofing that is? Have you had problems with getting your phone wet in the past? What appeals to you in that you will pass on a phone that's not waterproof? Just wondering...

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Can you explain to me why that's important to you? Waterproofing that is? Have you had problems with getting your phone wet in the past? What appeals to you in that you will pass on a phone that's not waterproof? Just wondering...
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Yeah no problem, there's quite a few reasons why waterproof seems attractive to me. I live in Fl and i often have to contend with rain/sweat. I ride a motorcycle and run outdoors on the regular. I guess all that boils down to peace of mind (i damaged a S2 canoeing and got caught in the rain a few times with the Note II no damage though thankfully). Also i think it'd be pretty cool to grab some pictures under water of course.
Problem is, if i'd never owned the note 2 i would have hopped on the z1 no problem. But i really liked its large screen. I have big ol hands (the note 2 almost looks normal when i'm holding it). Also the large screen is very easy on the eyes. I also regularly used the stylus.. . Wish i could buy them both.

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Yeah no problem, there's quite a few reasons why waterproof seems attractive to me. I live in Fl and i often have to contend with rain/sweat. I ride a motorcycle and run outdoors on the regular. I guess all that boils down to peace of mind (i damaged a S2 canoeing and got caught in the rain a few times with the Note II no damage though thankfully). Also i think it'd be pretty cool to grab some pictures under water of course.
Problem is, if i'd never owned the note 2 i would have hopped on the z1 no problem. But i really liked its large screen. I have big ol hands (the note 2 almost looks normal when i'm holding it). Also the large screen is very easy on the eyes. I also regularly used the stylus.. . Wish i could buy them both.
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Thank you that makes perfect sense.

Im torn between Z-ultra and Note-3. Leaning towards the Z-U... becuase of the screen size. We'll see, i have to see them in person 1st...

Only trouble I'm having is deciding which variant to go for 3G or LTE, which is going to see the most community input, what's the battery life between the two etc....

Even if they made a waterproof N3, is the SPen waterproof as well? And, no, I'm not about to go test mine.

If the z1 comes to att I'll probably go with that just bc I haven't had a Sony and two the specs and looks are love
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hockeyfan said:
Even if they made a waterproof N3, is the SPen waterproof as well? And, no, I'm not about to go test mine.
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haha i doubt the s pen is waterproof. You could probably dunk it a bunch and it will work for a while but it does have some metal parts inside that would suffer some oxidation in the long term.
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Only trouble I'm having is deciding which variant to go for 3G or LTE, which is going to see the most community input, what's the battery life between the two etc....
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Thats a good point, I think i read somewhere that the s800 has more processing power and less battery drain. I can't cite that though. Someone chime in if they know? I think i would get the lte one even if battery life was a smidge shorter.
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Im torn between Z-ultra and Note-3. Leaning towards the Z-U... becuase of the screen size. We'll see, i have to see them in person 1st...
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Can you wield that phone? It looks big even by my standards.
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If the z1 comes to att I'll probably go with that just bc I haven't had a Sony and two the specs and looks are love
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I have not had a sony either. My recent experience with a lumia 1020 have made me really appreciate good cameras on phones though. The z1 seems like the ultimate compromise of features. idk though...

systoxity said:
I'm having a hard time deciding what my next phone will be. I'm stuck between the Xperia Z1 and the Note 3. I really like how big the note 3 is but at the same time the camera and waterproofing in the xperia is very attractive. How are you guys coping with this decision?
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I know 100% that the Note 3 is the phone for me because a) The specs are monstrous and b) it's the only viable option for someone who wants to use a stylus seriously (In the immediate future / present market). I'm using a capacitive stylus on the (2012) Nexus 7 and it just doesn't cut it. The new Note 3 is going to allow me to ditch my Epic 4G Touch and Nexus 7 in one fell swoop while increasing my productivity
No other phone comes close in my search - although I LOVE stock android so I'm quite tempted by the prospect of a new Nexus phone, but I'd rather have the epic stylus functionality.
My only debate right now is which carrier to go with - The Sprint voice/data networks have been garbage for me over the last 2 years here in Colorado. (I'm debating between Sprint, T-Mobile, and AT&T - Verizon is prohibitively expensive)

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haha i doubt the s pen is waterproof. You could probably dunk it a bunch and it will work for a while but it does have some metal parts inside that would suffer some oxidation in the long term.
Thats a good point, I think i read somewhere that the s800 has more processing power and less battery drain. I can't cite that though. Someone chime in if they know? I think i would get the lte one even if battery life was a smidge shorter.
Can you wield that phone? It looks big even by my standards.
I have not had a sony either. My recent experience with a lumia 1020 have made me really appreciate good cameras on phones though. The z1 seems like the ultimate compromise of features. idk though...
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But what's hard to leave camera aspect and unlocked bootloader is the HTC one for them having super low light sensor plus HTC giving u access to unlock bootloader something that's gonna be a tough cookie on all new phones that's out and will come out for att except HTC almost why I kinda wanna go HTC one max but still idk. Plus I wanna get a phone with a good dev community so I can build for it. So idk what to get. G2, Z1, N3, 1Max, MotoX. I'm just bored with my black 64 gb HTC one I need something new to play with
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No, no trouble deciding. After using the (original) Note for the past two years, there was no question that my next phone would be a similar size. I find it to be as large as possible w/o being too difficult to handle or fit in my pocket. I think the Mega would be too big (not to mention it's inferior specs). Personally, I would be surprised if they introduced an "Active" version. Not just because of the s-pen itself, but because of the hole the s-pen fits into. It's just another possible water entry point that would have to be addressed. Besides, the note is marketed as more of a business device vs. the S4. It doesn't seem like there would be as large of a market for a waterproofed Note vs. S4. FWIW, I ride a motorcycle too. Although I'm more of a fair weather rider, I have gotten drenched on several occasions, and it's never been an issue for my current Note. The phone does get wet while in my pocket in a storm, but it's not really the same as getting submerged.

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No, no trouble deciding. After using the (original) Note for the past two years, there was no question that my next phone would be a similar size. I find it to be as large as possible w/o being too difficult to handle or fit in my pocket. I think the Mega would be too big (not to mention it's inferior specs). Personally, I would be surprised if they introduced an "Active" version. Not just because of the s-pen itself, but because of the hole the s-pen fits into. It's just another possible water entry point that would have to be addressed. Besides, the note is marketed as more of a business device vs. the S4. It doesn't seem like there would be as large of a market for a waterproofed Note vs. S4. FWIW, I ride a motorcycle too. Although I'm more of a fair weather rider, I have gotten drenched on several occasions, and it's never been an issue for my current Note. The phone does get wet while in my pocket in a storm, but it's not really the same as getting submerged.
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Yes to the screen size. I feel like you nailed that subject. Its just the right size. I also doubt they will release an active version of the note 3. Not because of the pen silo though, where the silo fits the pen doesn't have to interact with any electronics, therefor the silo could be part of a unibody shell without having to introduce any seams into the design.There are plenty of other reasons why making an active version of the note would be challenging though...
For me i think its going to come down to who offers me the best price/package. Z1 or Note 3. I'm looking to purchase outright full price on att lte network and i'm getting antsy. I don't want to wait too long. I think the longest i'd be willing to wait is until nexus 5 reviews come out.

On the topic of waterproof of the xperia. Even though it's a great function and I was very tempted with it on the ultra z.
There was a YouTube video I have seen last night about how the screen of ultra z would not response if it's fully immerse in the water. Somehow the water makes the screen unresponsive. I'm not too sure if it's the same with z1 though.
It might also be a pain to constantly making sure there's no dust building up around and under the flaps so to keep the waterproof function working 100%
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Valid points, i saw that video too. I wonder how they advertise it taking pictures under water... I bet they only use the physical camera button. Cant wait for more reviews on all these phones.

RavenY2K3 said:
Only trouble I'm having is deciding which variant to go for 3G or LTE, which is going to see the most community input, what's the battery life between the two etc....
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Assuming you are buying for the use in the US (snapdragon processor), the phone is tri-band, it supports both GSM and LTE.

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Can you explain to me why that's important to you? Waterproofing that is? Have you had problems with getting your phone wet in the past? What appeals to you in that you will pass on a phone that's not waterproof? Just wondering...
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My note 1 made it all the way through my rafting trip (I was tracking our 5 day trip with gps). Then I got home and was pre-soaking my pants prior to washing them and it was in the pocket. It was a sad day. I've had to use my gs2 for about a month while waiting for the note 3.
And yes, the spen still work. I tried it on my note 10.1.

systoxity said:
I'm having a hard time deciding what my next phone will be. I'm stuck between the Xperia Z1 and the Note 3. I really like how big the note 3 is but at the same time the camera and waterproofing in the xperia is very attractive. How are you guys coping with this decision?
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Yep my choice as well. I am not so certain on the Note 3 size though & the Z1's camera is a very big plus point for it.

People ditching the Z1?

I was wandering around the city yesterday with the girlfriend and we happened across a few shops such as Game, CEX and the usual market stall type places full of cheap mobile phone cases. I noticed that the shelves are stacked with Z1 handsets! More than any other handset, aside from Blackberry Curve 8520s of course
What's going on? I asked one bloke in game and he said people just don't like the Z1. Hence so many selling them at a terribly cheap price just to be rid of them!
Any thoughts on this?
I love my Z1 and having come from the Z I think Sony are playing with the big boys now. They lagged a bit in the past, but my god they came back in true Sony style and created a range of phones that top everything on my list of what I want in a handset. Anyone who parts with a Sony is a fool in my eyes.

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I was wandering around the city yesterday with the girlfriend and we happened across a few shops such as Game, CEX and the usual market stall type places full of cheap mobile phone cases. I noticed that the shelves are stacked with Z1 handsets! More than any other handset, aside from Blackberry Curve 8520s of course
What's going on? I asked one bloke in game and he said people just don't like the Z1. Hence so many selling them at a terribly cheap price just to be rid of them!
Any thoughts on this?
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For any average user the Z1 is a fantastic device. The only fib I have with it is the screen and the bezels: screen is not 2014-standards at all (viewing angles mainly) and the bezels are just way too large for a 5" phone. Otherwise great device.

Aren't they trying to sell them before the Z2 is released? Anyway, dunno... I don't see the Z1 a whole lot around me but those who have it are happy. But I can imagine it's too big for many people, too clunky.
The screen might not be the best but it ain't all that bad, and especially when not putting another screen right next to it I don't really notice it or am not bothered with it at all.
Here it's still selling for a minimum of about 470 euro's, not extremely cheap (the G2 16GB and S4 are about a 100 euros cheaper for example)

Sony gave them a headache with releasing Z2 and they ,probably, now want to sell all they have...
Z1 is best device I ever had or have and it's not big.
That all depends on subject opinion...
We will have to wait Z2 to come in stores so I wouldn't sell my device for a low price...
When Z3 comes I'll leave my Z1 for dev purpose ...and because I really like it...
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funky0308 said:
Sony gave them a headache with releasing Z2 and they ,probably, now want to sell all they have...
Z1 is best device I ever had or have and it's not big.
That all depends on subject opinion...
We will have to wait Z2 to come in stores so I wouldn't sell my device for a low price...
When Z3 comes I'll leave my Z1 for dev purpose ...and because I really like it...
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Sure, it's all relative but it's surely bigger then it's 'rival devices'. Both in volume and in weight.. But I can imagine people being a bit put off by the large bezels and all...Especially compared to the LG G2 for example.

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Sure, it's all relative but it's surely bigger then it's 'rival devices'. Both in volume and in weight.. But I can imagine people being a bit put off by the large bezels and all...Especially compared to the LG G2 for example.
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Could be...don't know for others but I don't care for that...
For v1 is OK, I'm waiting for v3 - that'll be the monster
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I am ditching as soon as the new HTC comes out.
This is mainly due to huge bezels and terrible viewing angles. And I might never buy a sony phone again because of bootloader/root BS!

Kirkymole said:
I was wandering around the city yesterday with the girlfriend and we happened across a few shops such as Game, CEX and the usual market stall type places full of cheap mobile phone cases. I noticed that the shelves are stacked with Z1 handsets! More than any other handset, aside from Blackberry Curve 8520s of course
What's going on? I asked one bloke in game and he said people just don't like the Z1. Hence so many selling them at a terribly cheap price just to be rid of them!
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Where can i pick up a cheap cheap z1 with unlocked bootloader if thats the case? They still well over 300 euro here

I really hope a lot of people sell their Z1, don't buy sony and stop making this forum an ad nauseum "boo hoo camera, viewing angles sob sob" place.
seriously, the phone is a beast, takes great pics (I am a photographer with a DSLR, and on holiday in Rome recently found it easier to use Z1 and got GREAT results than using my dslr.
size - fine for me
bezels - no issue
screen angle - say what now?
I honestly think that some people have either 1) got a dodgy model or 2) messed with settings and refused to admit it.
but on a serious note, please sell your phones, get a different manufacturer altogether and get off my otherwise happy forum

It probably is due to the upcoming Z2 so people selling before the value drops too much.
I switched from the Z to the Z1 so even I'm a bit annoyed to see another flagship so soon (but not that p'ed off since its not a major update).
For me the Z1 is one of the best phones I had so far....but dont enjoy it nearly as much as my previous phones all thanks to the locked bootloader. That is my biggest issue with the phone as I can live with poor viewing angles (I rarely look at my phone at extreme angles) and the huge bezels (gives me something to hold without touching the actual screen). Second time I've had a permanently locked bootloader and it stings!!!
I would have sold my Z1 already but I've slightly grazed the metal frame already so exchange price wouldn't be that great.
I actually recommended the Z1 compact to my sister so these are still good phones...just not for me.
Moral of the story: I have to make sure the bootloader is 100% unloackable on the next phone I get.

Next year the Z4 will be the beast!
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Interesting answers. All very valid and sensible. Seems a shame such a beautifully made handset it being almost sidelined for something that may OR may not be the mutts Nutts. End of the day we still don't have the full picture on the Z2, look at all the niggling little problems the 1 had/has.

Well, that's great news! For normal people, at least.
I bought my z1 for 360€, 3 months old, regular 2 year guarantee, without a scratch! The person that used it stated it to be to complicated an bought iPhone 5! Bad for her, great for me.
Xperia tablet Z sgp321 was bought the same way last year for 380€ just 2 weeks after European premiere. Man was ipad user for years, asked friends for the best and most expensive premium Android tablet, tried it for 2 weeks, tried to sell it for better price but couldn't as it was already to expensive for used stuff. I ran by luck at him and couldn't believe, thought it was maybe tablet S, but no, everything was regular and I got the tablet I could never aford at full price thanks to another iPhone/Ipad user!?
So, long live Sony mobile and Apple users!
On the other side, people really don't know what Sony is until they put hands on it. Clean close-to-nexus-line interface, extremely stylish and modern hw, no stupid bugs like in Samsung touchwizzed apps, no ugly dropdown menus like on LG, no undeinstallable bloatware like In Samsung or HTC, everything works and looks just like it was supposed to be.
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y2grae said:
I really hope a lot of people sell their Z1, don't buy sony and stop making this forum an ad nauseum "boo hoo camera, viewing angles sob sob" place.
seriously, the phone is a beast, takes great pics (I am a photographer with a DSLR, and on holiday in Rome recently found it easier to use Z1 and got GREAT results than using my dslr.
size - fine for me
bezels - no issue
screen angle - say what now?
I honestly think that some people have either 1) got a dodgy model or 2) messed with settings and refused to admit it.
but on a serious note, please sell your phones, get a different manufacturer altogether and get off my otherwise happy forum
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Just because you decided to 'ignore' these issues doesn't mean they don't exist. The viewing angles are bad on all the Z1's, so unless your model is custom made, there IS an issue. If it bothers you or not, is another question. But the problem is there.
I like the phone a lot, don't get me wrong, I think that Sony would do much better in the market if they didn't have to worry about these IP-certifications - it's a great feature to have, but in the end, if they can shave off a few millimeters of bezel and eliminate these water flaps, the phone would be much nicer to use. I've tried every manufacturer and the only one that seems to care about build materials and quality is Sony, that's why I'm sticking with them - with all these quick releases (Z, Z1, Z2) it seems they are always trying to improve an already fantastic device when they hear complaints. The Z2 has less bezels and a phenomenal screen from what I hear.

I like SONY products, but every purchase....

Hi,
I recently bought the SONY Z2. I was happy with it until today, my fourth day of ownership. Don't get me wrong, I like SONY products, but every single Sony item I buy leaves me with regret. In the last four years I've spent close to $10,000 on Sony items.
Ok... so the Sony Z2. I was hesitant at first, but I ended up making the plunge. I've been happy every day until today. I think the phone is a really good phone, but those stupid flaps that cover the ports leave a lot to be desired. I didn't like flaps on my Sony tablet, but they've proved to not be a problem after 3 years of ownership. In light of this, I ignored the Sony's choice of using flaps only giving them a brief moment of disapproval. Well, today I am giving them a lot more than a brief moment of disapproval.
Here I am at work, I pull the Z2 out of my pocket and guess what? One of the flaps on my fourth day of ownership is missing. My work area covers nearly a million square feet so I am very unlikely to find the flap. Thinking back to my initial distaste of the whole idea of using a flap to cover a port, I immediately blame myself for accepting a high priced item with a poorly designed feature. I am unhappy and I am doing the whole face plant in my palms over this. Why SONY? WHY?
My work environment is extremely dusty, which is one of the reasons I bought the phone. Now I can only imagine the dust this thing is going to fill with. I bought the phone very slightly used, so there's no warranty. I can only imagine walking into the SONY store, paying $30 for the part, $20 for a shipping stocking fee and having several hours of a couple of days wasted on this stupidity.
Once more SONY, I am unhappy. Your products are always the same for me. I pay a lot of money for a brief period of happiness only to find out that you don't update software, or to find inherent design/software flaws that you wont admit to or fix, or you outright design something like these flaps which don't hold up well in the real world. Yes, the real world. Some of us have lives were products we use need to able to stand up to minor abuse. Not all of us work in clean climate controlled offices where we can baby ourselves and our devices.

Wow, yet still you've spent $10,000 on products that constantly dissapoint you.

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My work environment is extremely dusty, which is one of the reasons I bought the phone. Now I can only imagine the dust this thing is going to fill with. I bought the phone very slightly used, so there's no warranty. I can only imagine walking into the SONY store, paying $30 for the part, $20 for a shipping stocking fee and having several hours of a couple of days wasted on this stupidity.
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http://dx-box.com/black-micro-sd-si...over-plug-replacement-for-sony-xperia-z2.html get one for $12,99 yourself and save.

Get a magnetic cable for charging, i am using magnector btw. Very hassle free ime

Haha !! Yess! Another person with same point of few! I agree, I've been a SONY fan since childhood, started with SE V600 and my last phone was Z1, every year I purchased SONY flagship phones and what was miracle in the beginning , was nightmare in the end, the overall design is good but really these flaps, that " unscratchable gorilla glass" screen as it turned out to be scratchable with soft cleaning cloth : | , also all these slow software updates and unoptimized camera .... c'mon sony ... SONY was first because of quality not quantity ... what's the point of releasing a new flagship twice a year without optimizing it ... they just fix old phone problem in a new phone which costs 600$ and will probably have same problem .... First time in my life I moved to HTC One ... and I really miss SONY but I know that I'll spend another 600$ and will cry in a few months ... SONY you make tons of money and you cannot put a simple magnet charger in the box? let alone HDMI cable .. is that fair? I understand you mate this sucks ... and same design over 2 years now ... do something guys ....

Don't stress it dude. Many phones have little small breakable pieces.
But, as Lawido stated. Those are easy and relatively cheap to replace.

You should try use other brands as well. Sony isn't the only good brand there is.

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You should try use other brands as well. Sony isn't the only good brand there is.
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I do use other brands. In fact, my first purchase with Sony other than cameras was probably four or five years ago. When I first bought Sony, I wanted to believe they were good because I like brand loyalty. Stupid I know and I kept up with them only to start finding that they pushed out products that they didn't follow up on. I wouldn't touch Sony for home theater aside from TV's and Projectors. I'm a Denon fan.
My two Ps3's and Ps Vita, no complaints other than they don't play mkv files, etc. Plenty of updates, I just don't use them, good for the niece/nephew.
Camera's though, Sony for sure. Yes, there are other good, perhaps better brands but I'm happy with Sony. Although I do admit, the WiFi feature of my NEX6 could be a LOT better.
Sony reader, I am happy. It works well for what it is.
The Sony Dash, Sony S1 tablet... seriously lacking in support. In fact, I felt abandoned with the flaws and that's exactly what Sony did.
My $2000 TV. Nice picture, but again abandoned as far as updates to software.
My Z2 phone, I am happy with it, but... the stupid flaps....
Honestly, I will probably buy from SONY again, probably never again retail. Waste of money on the mark up, especially when I now view their products with a jaundiced eye. Yes, there are other good brands. For personal reasons I won't touch them. Samsung for example, I just can't.
Thank you to the person who posted the link for new flaps. I greatly appreciate it. I am a bit tempted to "glue" it shut but at the moment I only have one magnetic charger. Speaking of which, it seemed to charge slower but I have to test that to know for sure.

I understand how you feel as I was same boat during my xperia z days. Flaps even though you carefully take care of it. It will loosen upv if you used it daily. Anyway it has a purposed and to protect from water. As of today, there is no technology to protect our phone from frying if water sips inside our phone it actually is a genius of sony to come up this. But it has also hassle to us. So Before I buy z2 I said it to myself no matter what happens i get charging dock. And used it whatever it takes. I really recommend it. I hope sony should supply us with this from high end phone cause it is really a necessity. On the brighter side I think z2 is the overall the best phone in my opinion.
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Having loved my Z , ( i had no problems with the flaps after i got the desk charger) .
i made the mistake of upgrading to the s5, i regret that so much and still use my Z a lot ...
what i am trying to say is the grass ant always greener , defo not on the Samsung side anyway..

Same feeling like me. Disappointed about sony.I had use three xperia series phone all end with some issues. But I just like sony phone design very much so I still bought my fourth sony phone z2 hope don't become nightmare again. If do, I will never ever buy sony phone again in my life.Finger cross
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First Sony phone after Samsung galaxy S + , i am just shocked how good it is.

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I do use other brands. In fact, my first purchase with Sony other than cameras was probably four or five years ago. When I first bought Sony, I wanted to believe they were good because I like brand loyalty. Stupid I know and I kept up with them only to start finding that they pushed out products that they didn't follow up on. I wouldn't touch Sony for home theater aside from TV's and Projectors. I'm a Denon fan.
My two Ps3's and Ps Vita, no complaints other than they don't play mkv files, etc. Plenty of updates, I just don't use them, good for the niece/nephew.
Camera's though, Sony for sure. Yes, there are other good, perhaps better brands but I'm happy with Sony. Although I do admit, the WiFi feature of my NEX6 could be a LOT better.
Sony reader, I am happy. It works well for what it is.
The Sony Dash, Sony S1 tablet... seriously lacking in support. In fact, I felt abandoned with the flaws and that's exactly what Sony did.
My $2000 TV. Nice picture, but again abandoned as far as updates to software.
My Z2 phone, I am happy with it, but... the stupid flaps....
Honestly, I will probably buy from SONY again, probably never again retail. Waste of money on the mark up, especially when I now view their products with a jaundiced eye. Yes, there are other good brands. For personal reasons I won't touch them. Samsung for example, I just can't.
Thank you to the person who posted the link for new flaps. I greatly appreciate it. I am a bit tempted to "glue" it shut but at the moment I only have one magnetic charger. Speaking of which, it seemed to charge slower but I have to test that to know for sure.
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Get a sleeve to put it into before going into your pocket. I use a neoprene sleeve I got for one of my galaxy notes l few years ago and it works fine for my Z2. Just another measure to protect your investment and it was about 5 bucks.
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Haha !! Yess! Another person with same point of few! I agree, I've been a SONY fan since childhood, started with SE V600 and my last phone was Z1, every year I purchased SONY flagship phones and what was miracle in the beginning , was nightmare in the end, the overall design is good but really these flaps, that " unscratchable gorilla glass" screen as it turned out to be scratchable with soft cleaning cloth : | , also all these slow software updates and unoptimized camera .... c'mon sony ... SONY was first because of quality not quantity ... what's the point of releasing a new flagship twice a year without optimizing it ... they just fix old phone problem in a new phone which costs 600$ and will probably have same problem .... First time in my life I moved to HTC One ... and I really miss SONY but I know that I'll spend another 600$ and will cry in a few months ... SONY you make tons of money and you cannot put a simple magnet charger in the box? let alone HDMI cable .. is that fair? I understand you mate this sucks ... and same design over 2 years now ... do something guys ....
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your problem is, you own the Google play edition of HTC one M8. You should have got the sense version. The only thing I regret about the HTC one M8 is, its not totally water proof, I am about to go to boracay philippines so I like something to be water proof.

G1_enthusiast said:
your problem is, you own the Google play edition of HTC one M8. You should have got the sense version. The only thing I regret about the HTC one M8 is, its not totally water proof, I am about to go to boracay philippines so I like something to be water proof.
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Nope! I bought Sense version and it sucked because it had too many things and i converted it to GPE, and now switched to Nexus 5 and I'm very happy

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Nope! I bought Sense version and it sucked because it had too many things and i converted it to GPE, and now switched to Nexus 5 and I'm very happy
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your the first I have heard to say that HTC one M8 sense had "too many things" all of the reviewers says that its as close to stock as you can get.
I guess to each his own I love Blinkfeed, its actually pretty useful.

It doesn't matter if you bought the phone used. If it's under a year since manufacturing date then it's covered. I bought mine from eBay "new" but I'm sure if it's not a retail sales outlet then there's no difference. I'm sending mine in for a warranty repair this week. They didn't refuse.

SONY Great in hardware and Design. :good:
but honestly Poor in Software Distributing.
and I prefer Hardware!

just drop it
you can also drop your phone and crack your screen like me...:crying: then it isnt waterproof anymore and you can cut of those annoying things :laugh:

Tell your frustrations by Sony.
What can XDA do about that !
I never had or will get problems with Sony products because i make the right choise !

Sony Xperia X Premium reportedly coming with HDR display

Wow, this explains a lot about why there's no 4K Video Recording and only 3GB RAM on this device.
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_x_premium_reportedly_coming_with_hdr_display-news-17838.php

Meh. I think this is just a fanmade rumour that will never come true or a fake news.

GSMArena is a pretty legit source, they must believe it in some manner if they posted it up.
I think it's true, I find it hard to believe that Sony would skip out on the high end market this entire year.

White paper
Sony mobile makes its "white papers" available, and according to that the screen only supports 16,777,216 rather than over a billion as specified in the HDR specification. It also includes a 'Micro USB support' rather than USB-C, unfortunately. So for me that means I'll be waiting the new wave of Sony phones out until they can meet our modern demands. Also, I miss my glass back :crying:

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Sony mobile makes its "white papers" available, and according to that the screen only supports 16,777,216 rather than over a billion as specified in the HDR specification. It also includes a 'Micro USB support' rather than USB-C, unfortunately. So for me that means I'll be waiting the new wave of Sony phones out until they can meet our modern demands. Also, I miss my glass back :crying:
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It's not easy to make a phone that makes people happy...
For me it is just perfect that they have gone back to a back that is NOT made of glass... Actually my plan is to never ever buy a phone with a glass back again...
To me it's just an unnecessary risk of breaking the back...

Foxhunter123 said:
It's not easy to make a phone that makes people happy...
For me it is just perfect that they have gone back to a back that is NOT made of glass... Actually my plan is to never ever buy a phone with a glass back again...
To me it's just an unnecessary risk of breaking the back...
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Use a case? Lol. You do realize if you drop a aluminum phone it can spin and Crack the front glass as well without a case. Risk is just slightly lower but you'll sent the phone which is as bad as a Crack imo.
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Call me "outdated", but for me that's ridiculous.
You can argue if you should get 720p or 1080p (on < 5"), but 4K and 120hz? For real? They should rather try to invest in a good battery life. Sony tbh managed it in the Z1-Z3 era. With my old Z2 I had almost 1 1/2 Days of battery with like 8-9h Display on. That's amazing. Not some gimmickry like 4K, HDR, 120hz and stuff.
Yea, the new devices have QuickCharge, but still. a longer lasting battery would be better in my eyes.

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