First let me apologise if this is in the wrong section. I could not decide if this was the best place for it or q a&a. As the title sais. If i flash twrp will it prevent me from receiving ota updates from Google. I have an HTC sensation XE and if i flash a custom recovery i know from past experience that it prevents ota updates. This nexus 7 however is my first "Google" device you could call it and as such i do not know that.
Can any one inform me on this issue. Also if it will an ota cause loss of root on this nexus like it did on my smartphone or will it stay? If it is gone i suppose it will simply be a matter of using chainfires root tool again when it gets updated for it.
Thanks in advance.
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Q&A would be the best place for the post, but I can offer some insight. Any time you flash a custom rom you will forfeit the option of an ota update from your carrier or Google. This doesn't affect your play store apps as they will update when needed. The information that gets sent to your carrier identifies it as being non-official software so only a few custom ROMs that are well maintained will point the ota updates to its own servers. If you wish to receive official ota updates you should perform a nandroid backup of your stock rom to have a restore point for when a new release comes out. Aside from that, you would have to flash everything back to stock (probably stock recovery too) in order to be seen by the carrier as an eligible device.
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Who said anything about flashing a custom rom. I know i didn't. Sorry but that reply is no insight at all. I asked if flashing twrp a custom recovery would prevent ota updates like on my phone. Nothing else. I did not say one word about custom recovery.
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Ch3vr0n said:
Who said anything about flashing a custom rom. I know i didn't. Sorry but that reply is no insight at all. I asked if flashing twrp a custom recovery would prevent ota updates like on my phone. Nothing else. I did not say one word about custom recovery.
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If you install a custom recovery like twrp, you wouldn't be able to install an OTA from Google. You need stock recovery for OTAs.
now that's more of an answer i was hoping to get, can some other users confirm this? I suppose i'll lose root aswell but i imagine that would simply be a case of waiting for an updated root tool then. Say i do flash a recovery, does google have a page where you can manually download the update files to flash? But that would probably cause a lose of root as well but the custom recovery would remain intact, correct?
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now that's more of an answer i was hoping to get, can some other users confirm this? I suppose i'll lose root aswell but i imagine that would simply be a case of waiting for an updated root tool then. Say i do flash a recovery, does google have a page where you can manually download the update files to flash? But that would probably cause a lose of root as well but the custom recovery would remain intact, correct?
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This has already been brought up many times e.g.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2404833
I thought as much. I'll stick with stock recovery then until i need a custom recovery for some specific reason. For now root access is enough. And if an ota comes out and i lose recovery well I'll just wait for chainfire to update his root tool
i received the jss15j -> jsl36c update on my razorg with twrp recovery installed.
after the update stock recovery was back.
you can boot every recovery or kernel image without flashing it using fastboot:
fastboot boot nameofrecovery.img
I think you can have your cake and eat it too.
Instead of "fastboot flash recovery recovery.img" to flash the custom recovery, you can "fastboot boot recovery.img".
Every time you want the custom recovery, use fastboot boot command on the pc. This way you can make nandroid backups and flash superSU to root. But, you will not be replacing the stock recovery.
I did this on my HTC phone, when I wanted to remain stock, rooted, yet able to receive OTA updates.
HowardZ said:
I think you can have your cake and eat it too.
Instead of "fastboot flash recovery recovery.img" to flash the custom recovery, you can "fastboot boot recovery.img".
Every time you want the custom recovery, use fastboot boot command on the pc. This way you can make nandroid backups and flash superSU to root. But, you will not be replacing the stock recovery.
I did this on my HTC phone, when I wanted to remain stock, rooted, yet able to receive OTA updates.
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Good to know.
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I've taken OTAs using custom recoveries before on any number of devices. If you're not careful you can lose your recovery and have to reflash again, but sometimes you don't even lose that.
Well, there might be complications installing an OTA with custom recovery if it comes with a newer bootloader version/radio. Sometimes it works, but there were also reported problems.
Well i just had an ota update to jss15r and lost root as kinda expected. Now ill just have to find out if rerunning the root tool will be enough. Since it is already OEM unlocked i suppose i can simply modify that bat file and remove that line and run it again?
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Sorry if this is redundant, but I tried to find an answer searching. apologies in advance if this is a repeat question.
I've rooted and run custom roms on other android devices in the past, but these were devices that never received OTA updates from the carrier/manufacturers. With that said, I have one single question. If I root my nexus 4 and run clockwork mod recovery, will I still receive OTA updates? I don't want to run a custom rom at this time, but I wouldn't mind doing so in the future. I also want the ability to run titanium backup and adjust the color profile of my screen. Part of the appeal of the nexus 4 is receiving updates directly from google and I would like to keep this feature. Any insight would be appreciated.
I run a mac, so I was planning on running this instruction set as there isn't a toolkit for macs (at least that I know of).
http://www.androidrootz.com/2012/11/how-to-root-nexus-4-on-mac.html
You will receive the update but it will fail at installation because of the custom recovery. You can however, flash the .zip file through recovery to successfully update.
If I simply root my device (keep the bootloader locked and do not install clockwork mod), will I receive OTA updates? I'm a big fan of getting OTA'. I believe I only need root access to run titanium mod and screen calibration tools.
You need to unlock your bootloader to fastboot boot a custom recovery to flash the SU binaries.
If you unlock your bootloader and just boot the custom recovery (not flash it) to gain root, you will get the OTA. It will only install successfully if you keep it stock and don't change the kernel, system UI, or anything else.
I decided to throw caution to the wind. I'm going all in and running clockwork mod and so forth. Very simple to complete. I don't know why I why I was so concerned about the OTA updates.
misfits9095 said:
I decided to throw caution to the wind. I'm going all in and running clockwork mod and so forth. Very simple to complete. I don't know why I why I was so concerned about the OTA updates.
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yah cause at the end of the day... the ota update will be on this site the day of or the day after google releases it. like it was said above, just download and flash it.
El Daddy said:
You will receive the update but it will fail at installation because of the custom recovery. You can however, flash the .zip file through recovery to successfully update.
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If it's anything like the Nexus 7 or Galaxy Nexus this isn't true. On those device it will reboot to the recovery and fail initially but it gives you the option to start the installation. Once you do that it installs successfully and then CWMR asks if you want to keep root, then asks if you want to restore permanent recovery.
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If it's anything like the Nexus 7 or Galaxy Nexus this isn't true. On those device it will reboot to the recovery and fail initially but it gives you the option to start the installation. Once you do that it installs successfully and then CWMR asks if you want to keep root, then asks if you want to restore permanent recovery.
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This must be a new feature of CWR. It wasn't like that in the past.
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El Daddy said:
This must be a new feature of CWR. It wasn't like that in the past.
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It could be new. I haven't owned Nexus devices for a long period of time. Running v6+ on all of them.
Edit: I didn't see you were talking about clockwork mod recovery here! Sorry for not reading!
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First of all, this is don't habitual for me since I used to read related post (and more if an update has just arrived) but I just could not find an specific instructions (sorry if I am being too demanding) to go from custom 4.2.1(PA) to stock and finish with rooted 4.2.2, there are a lot of several procedures or recommendations to perform the update :S
well this is what I have planed
- return to stock 4.2.1 (using nexus toolkit)
- download and flash manually the update to 4.2.2 (first try to use the ota update option)
- get root... how??? lol
- restore my apps/data
Since I will return to stock I think I will lose root, that is ok but only if i can root the nexus again, Will I be able to get root on 4.2.2? or I have to root in 4.2.1 and keep it (in some way) at the time I update to 4.2.2
Srryforbad/basicenglish:silly:
Rooting every nexus is the same. Flash/boot a custom recovery and flash supersu.zip. it doesn't matter what OS version its on.
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Pirateghost said:
Rooting every nexus is the same. Flash/boot a custom recovery and flash supersu.zip. it doesn't matter what OS version its on.
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ok, I think I have missing that simple thing...
I don't have to worry about get the bootloader locked again therefore I just have to flash a recovery and SU when I have my N7 on 4.2.2, but...flash from... bootloader I guess, well, I will check that.
Thanks!
Learn the manual way of doing it and don't rely on toolkits. There are many tutorials walking you through the entire process
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SLver said:
ok, I think I have missing that simple thing...
I don't have to worry about get the bootloader locked again therefore I just have to flash a recovery and SU when I have my N7 on 4.2.2, but...flash from... bootloader I guess, well, I will check that.
Thanks!
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To elaborate on Pirateghost's points...
After flashing the 4.2.2 update... you will lose your recovery (CWM or TWRP)... but getting your recovery back is also part of how you (re)gain root.
As I have posted elsewhere...
Rooting is really simple.
(You will need an unlocked bootloader for this).
Get a custom recovery .img for your device...
Either CWM - http://www.clockworkmod.com/rommanager
...or TWRP - http://www.teamw.in/project/twrp2/103,
...it matters little which...
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fastboot flash it.
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Get Chainfires SU .zip package here http://download.chainfire.eu/310/SuperSU/UPDATE-SuperSU-v1.04.zip
Flash it using the custom recovery you've just fastboot flashed..
Reboot... and you're rooted.
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...and that's it basically... you have root, a custom recovery from which you can flash ROMs, perform nandroid backups, etc.
But fastboot is the key... learn how to use it, and you will never need to be reliant on anybodies toolkit.
Rgrds,
Ged.
I apologize for the noob question but I've never found myself in this particular situation...
I've decided to stick with the 4.3 JWR66V factory image while I wait for a working rooted version to be released or even an updated SuperSU or Superuser zip (that doesn't drain the battery or lose root with certain apps).
I used the factory image found HERE and followed the detailed instructions found HERE. I followed the instructions under section "D" vigorously which meant that I installed the stock recovery image as well. Everything is running as it should. However, I was curious if it was safe to flash TWRP 2.6.0.0 recovery through fastboot with my current setup. I'd like to use that recovery to wipe cache/dalvik and possibly fix permissions. However, I'm not sure if this will break something so I am hesitant to try it.
I have made sure the bootloader is unlocked. But I am curious if it's safe to flash and use TWRP while I am not rooted.
You can install recovery with no problem, root has nothing to do with it. however i think upon a reboot your recovery will be replaced with factory.
Interesting. I wonder why/how the system would flash back to stock recovery if I've pushed the TWRP recovery image over the factory image?
I flashed twrp from fastboot and it's still there. Just waiting on root
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otariq said:
I flashed twrp from fastboot and it's still there. Just waiting on root
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Without root would there be any functionality within TWRP that I shouldn't touch? Or does recovery functionality have no dependency on root?
What is there you wanna do? I just replaced stock with twrp so I can just flash the su zip when its out because I don't always have access to a PC. Also, Franco released his initial 4.3 kernel which I'm thinking about flashing.
When rebooting from twrp it'll ask if you wanna flash the su.apk because you don't have root I chose no because it wouldn't do anything for us right now without the binaries
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Good point. As of right now I guess I don't have a huge need for it. I'll just leave everything as is until a proper SuperSU is released. At which point I'll install the latest TWRP and root.
Just a question, wasn't nexus root toolkit supposed to be able to revert to stock?
I did it in previous android versions.
now I am running slim rom with CWM and "reverting to stock 4.3" using NRT doesn't work, the process finishes but nothing is done.
skinniezinho said:
Just a question, wasn't nexus root toolkit supposed to be able to revert to stock?
I did it in previous android versions.
now I am running slim rom with CWM and "reverting to stock 4.3" using NRT doesn't work, the process finishes but nothing is done.
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No idea. I use a Mac and flash back to stock via Fastboot. You should just learn to do that anyway so you have a better sense of exactly what is going on and if something fails you'll know exactly which step is failing in order to correct it. Relying on a toolkit is like never taking the training wheels off your bike.
Anyone tried and confirmed working the old adb backup method that doesn't require root?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1420351
Was hoping to use this method to backup before unlocking. I got into the usual problem of not wanting to unlock right away (in case issues etc.) then once I was comfortable with the unit too lazy to want to set up all up again from scratch....
Use helium. Backup each app individually. There are some apps that will Bork restore.
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bummer screw that for a joke then LOL
it will be awhile before I unlock as I'm waiting for the next OTA to deal with the multitouch/gps etc. (hopefully!) I'm hoping it includes some firmware fixes too that we may not be able to flash like a normal ROM.
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it will be awhile before I unlock as I'm waiting for the next OTA to deal with the multitouch/gps etc. (hopefully!) I'm hoping it includes some firmware fixes too that we may not be able to flash like a normal ROM.
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Unlocking doesn't prevent you from getting the OTAs.
If you want root to be compatible with OTAs, see this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=44597339#post44597339
yeah I know that, I know I can reflash stock recovery and unroot etc. just too lazy to be bothered setting up all my apps losing saves etc. at this point short of mucking around with carbon. TBH if the multitouch issue is fixed or at least toned down there's not a lot of incentive to root for me aside from adblock.
I've got a hunch that the next OTA will involve firmware etc. so just reluctant to tinker until the stock base is 100%. Its not directly applicable as its a Nexus but in the past some other components e.g. HTC hboot, Moto (forgot the name) would get in the way of OTA if you unlocked the BL early.
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yeah I know that, I know I can reflash stock recovery and unroot etc.
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My point is you don't need to unroot nor flash stock recovery (though it is safest to flash stock recovery)
The JSS15J OTA update will flash fine with root and twrp with just the small fix I referenced.
wintermute000 said:
I've got a hunch that the next OTA will involve firmware etc. so just reluctant to tinker until the stock base is 100%. Its not directly applicable as its a Nexus but in the past some other components e.g. HTC hboot, Moto (forgot the name) would get in the way of OTA if you unlocked the BL early.
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JSS15J already included firmware updates, it updated aboot, sbl, tz, and rpm. Bootloader went from 3.05 to 3.14 and it flashed ok with root and twrp (though again, personally I suggest using stock recovery)
Also you don't need to install twrp persistently to root. I just boot into twrp one-time by using fastboot boot twrp.img to install the root files and leave stock recovery on the tablet.
With the one simple fix referenced above, you can have stock recovery, root, and be totally compatible with future OTAs, no need to revert anything. Of course after the OTA is successful, just re-run the SuperSU zip and the fix to set yourself up with root and await the next OTA.
On this nexus, you need to unlock even to do the official factory restore google published. The official images don't come with signatures.
To answer the question re adb bu, yes it works just fine.
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Right now I'm on 7.0 DP5, unencrypted with root. I'm willing to enable encryption if it means I won't have to constantly manually flash the security updates and keep root. Is that what the "system-less root" technique is for? (and is it still a thing?)
Should I use the lastest TWRP 3.0.2-2 to flash N factory images? I'm guessing 3.0.2-1 bug is less serious now that there's a vendor.img available, but the last I had read from the dev team was that -2 was still untested and 3.0.2-0 was still the safest bet. I'm just not sure it's compatible with N?
EvanVanVan said:
Right now I'm on 7.0 DP5, unencrypted with root. I'm willing to enable encryption if it means I won't have to constantly manually flash the security updates and keep root. Is that what the "system-less root" technique is for? (and is it still a thing?)
Should I use the lastest TWRP 3.0.2-2 to flash N factory images? I'm guessing 3.0.2-1 bug is less serious now that there's a vendor.img available, but the last I had read from the dev team was that -2 was still untested and 3.0.2-0 was still the safest bet. I'm just not sure it's compatible with N?
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You can't have root or custom recovery and take OTAs, but you can have an unlocked bootloader. Otherwise stock only. I am pretty sure systemless appeared when people were trying to keep using Android Pay. As for TWRP, I have had no problems using the latest, just don't restore / backup between MM and N.
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ultyrunner said:
You can't have root or custom recovery and take OTAs, but you can have an unlocked bootloader. Otherwise stock only. I am pretty sure systemless appeared when people were trying to keep using Android Pay. As for TWRP, I have had no problems using the latest, just don't restore / backup between MM and N.
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If you are rooted and have TWRP installed, you can use FlashFire to install the OTA and keep root and your custom recovery.
+1 Flashfire
Cool thanks for the suggestion, I actually saw something about FlashFire this morning but haven't had a chance to look into it yet. Do I need to be encrypted for it to work? And I'm assuming it's not entirely compatible with N's update system, it still takes some interaction to flash?
EvanVanVan said:
Cool thanks for the suggestion, I actually saw something about FlashFire this morning but haven't had a chance to look into it yet. Do I need to be encrypted for it to work? And I'm assuming it's not entirely compatible with N's update system, it still takes some interaction to flash?
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The other issue with TWRP was backing up and restoring the EFS partition, it seemed that 3.0.2-1 corrupted it on restore which would be a problem. They did have a work around. They suggested using -0 would be fine. I have -2 and did a N to N restore with no issue, but I did not restore EFS. I'm always extra careful with new versions, I tend to backup my data and backups off-phone just in case.
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If you are rooted and have TWRP installed, you can use FlashFire to install the OTA and keep root and your custom recovery.
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My situation is that my 6p is rooted , TWRP installed and with custom kernel. I have searched quite a bit and cannot make sure which is the best way to update from MM to N. My thought is that:
1. FlashFire wipe system data n cache;
2. FlashFire MM stock boot image;
3. FlashFire N ota;
4. FlashFire custome kernel; and
5. Reboot.
The above steps to be done in one sequency. Please comment n million thanks.
CK
smallvan said:
My situation is that my 6p is rooted , TWRP installed and with custom kernel. I have searched quite a bit and cannot make sure which is the best way to update from MM to N. My thought is that:
1. FlashFire wipe system data n cache;
2. FlashFire MM stock boot image;
3. FlashFire N ota;
4. FlashFire custome kernel; and
5. Reboot.
The above steps to be done in one sequency. Please comment n million thanks.
CK
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Put this in wrong thread and want to delete it.
That's a bit too complicated. Connect your phone to a Mac. Open a terminal and
adb devices (To see if your phone is recognized. If so continue, if not fix and then continue)
fastboot flash boot boot.img
fastboot reboot bootloader
fastboot flash system.img
fastboot flash recovery stockrecovery.img
fastboot reboot
That should unroot your device.
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Put this in wrong thread and want to delete it.
That's a bit too complicated. Connect your phone to a Mac. Open a terminal and
adb devices (To see if your phone is recognized. If so continue, if not fix and then continue)
fastboot flash boot boot.img
fastboot reboot bootloader
fastboot flash system.img
fastboot flash recovery stockrecovery.img
fastboot reboot
That should unroot your device.
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Thanks. And I will have a total experience of returning my 6p back to stock boot, stock recovery n no root. What about vendor.img?
smallvan said:
Thanks. And I will have a total experience of returning my 6p back to stock boot, stock recovery n no root. What about vendor.img?
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You don't need vendor image unless you are flashing a different boot/system from what you currently have. But it also can't hurt as long as it's the correct version.
dratsablive said:
You don't need vendor image unless you are flashing a different boot/system from what you currently have. But it also can't hurt as long as it's the correct version.
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I believe I am looking for a suitable way to upgrade my 6p from MM to N that I have explicitly stated at my wrong thread post. This is absolutely not my intention to return my 6p back to stock of MM. And there is every reason to upgrade to N, thus, vendor.img is no doubt a must for an amateur like me.
Nevertheless, thanks for dratsablive kind suggestions.