I have been using the Touch Dual here in the US for a few months, and love it. I need to switch carriers. Will the Touch Dual work on the Sprint network in the US? What other carriers will work?
Thanks.
GSM networks only, so your only option is AT&T.
acwyau said:
GSM networks only, so your only option is AT&T.
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T-Mobile and AT&T are the only GSM carriers in the US. I don't know if Boost Mobile is or not.
I just picked a phone up unlocked on ebay and am using it on the AT&T network, only issue i've learnt of just now is AT&T uses a different band for the 3g than the touch dual does so i only recieve edge no 3g since its a different band, from what i've been told tmobile is offering it on the same band.
erandhawa said:
I just picked a phone up unlocked on ebay and am using it on the AT&T network, only issue i've learnt of just now is AT&T uses a different band for the 3g than the touch dual does so i only recieve edge no 3g since its a different band, from what i've been told tmobile is offering it on the same band.
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ATT operates on both 850 and 1900 bands. I had my niki working on it until I recently switched to TMobile. You're SOL if the ATT signal in your area is 850 because the Niki doesn't support it. TMobile doesn't us the 850 band so you would be better switching to them. I get a much stronger signal with them.
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ATT operates on both 850 and 1900 bands. I had my niki working on it until I recently switched to TMobile. You're SOL if the ATT signal in your area is 850 because the Niki doesn't support it. TMobile doesn't us the 850 band so you would be better switching to them. I get a much stronger signal with them.
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Niki doesn't support 1900 for 3g either though, how were you getting 3g if you don't mind me asking, maybe you have one of the Australia Versions? Probably gonna have to take your advice on switching, just on such a good rate plan only paying 24.99 for unlimited internet, hopefully a radio patch can help us soon or maybe AT&T and T-Mobile will share towers i know its been discussed between the companies in the past to help increase coverage (usually leads to merger though so i doubt it'll happen with such large corporations)
Ok what to make of this? Will this run on CDMA or not? Is CDMA synonymous with LTE?
Link here: w3androidcommunity.com/samsung-galaxy-s2-for-preorder-at-getgoods-20110301/
Quote: The Galaxy S2 will run on 4G/LTE networks on HSDPA and HSUPA in a quad band configuration under GSM or dual band under WCDMA.
I can't speak to whether or not it will run LTE as I don't know how Verizon does this or for 4G for that matter as I don't know much about how that works... but the international version (only one available to north america by ordering from abroad) is NOT CDMA. It requires a SIM for it to work, CDMA is non-SIM
Edit: If I am wrong don't crucify me it's just my crude understanding
Its the way I understand it too but the dude has the phone in his hands. Granted, this doesn't make him an expert but it makes me wonder.
dr_w said:
Will this run on CDMA or not? Is CDMA synonymous with LTE?
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The SGSII version that has been announced is a GSM based phone meaning no CDMA.
dr_w said:
Is CDMA synonymous with LTE?
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CDMA does not mean LTE. This is not a LTE phone as it doesn't have the LTE bands to support it.
dr_w said:
Quote: The Galaxy S2 will run on 4G/LTE networks on HSDPA and HSUPA in a quad band configuration under GSM or dual band under WCDMA.
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They probably meant there will be different versions of the phone. One version with quad band GSM (UK version about to be released) and dual band CDMA version that might come out in the future.
That being said, the SGSII uses HSPA+ 21Mbps speeds. Bell Mobility in Canada labels 4G with HSPA+ up to 21-42 Mbps. Check with your carrier for their network speeds. Carriers label HSPA+ with 4G to attract more customers but this is really not 4G, HSPA+ it is an evolution of 3G (basically higher speeds).
Hope that makes sense...
It does make sense. I just wish they'd announce that it's coming to verizon with lte capabilities already. Even if they said it'd be a year, at least I'd know. Thanks for the inputs.
yeah bell is stupid like that... in reality it's more like 3G+ or 3.5G
Hi All
I am visiting the USA in September for holiday and am doing a bit of travelling while i am out there. I was going to buy a prepaid sim to use with my SGS II which is sim unlocked. I am visiting Los Angeles, San Francisco and Vegas what network would you guys recommend for coverage and costs ?? it would have to be a GSM network.
Thanks
I would say T-mobile because they have a awesome pay as you go plan
I would say T-Mobile
T-Mobile and AT&T are the only ones compatible with your SIM. However the SGS2 is only going to get EDGE on T-Mobile if you're wanting data. It's compatible with the HSPA for AT&T however. From what I understand there really isn't a difference in price between the two for prepaid. Nothing to make a difference when you're taking an international trip anyway.
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T-Mobile and AT&T are the only ones compatible with your SIM. However the SGS2 is only going to get EDGE on T-Mobile if you're wanting data. It's compatible with the HSPA for AT&T however. From what I understand there really isn't a difference in price between the two for prepaid. Nothing to make a difference when you're taking an international trip anyway.
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European 3G bands are different than US ones. In Europe the UMTS band is operating on 2100MHz. AT&T operates it's 3G service on 850 and 1900 MHz.
cajunflavoredbob said:
European 3G bands are different than US ones. In Europe the UMTS band is operating on 2100MHz. AT&T operates it's 3G service on 850 and 1900 MHz.
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Yeah but the SGS2 has the 1900MHz band in it, so it would work on AT&T's 3G network, but only on T-Mobile's EDGE.
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Yeah but the SGS2 has the 1900MHz band in it, so it would work on AT&T's 3G network, but only on T-Mobile's EDGE.
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You need both bands for AT&T 3G. 850 provides downlink. 1900 provides uplink. In Europe, 2110 is downlink and 2150 is uplink. It is normally just included in one spec of 2100MHz. The 850MHz band in this device would only provide 2G speeds.
AT&T is your best bet.
I am a little confused about some information I found on Verizon's Note 3 Page. It says that the Note 3 will be a CDMA phone but then lists the following bands:
CDMA Data – 1x and EVDO Rev0/RevA
LTE: B13 (700MHz)
Global Ready (GSM/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900; HSPA/UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz)
(original link: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...t&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=7194)
Does it mean that if sim-unlocked, it can be used internationally, and how, if it doesn't take a sim card? If it can be used internationally, I would much rather buy a Verizon (for the US) instead of AT&T. I use AT&T only because it's a GSM carrier.
I don't have the answer but I can recommend you to contact Samsung wireless. They certainly have much more credibility.
Good luck
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All Verizon 4G LTE devices take SIM cards. They have to, since LTE is based on GSM. Also, historically, Verizon doesn't carrier-lock the LTE/HSPA/GSM part of their 4G LTE phones, so SIM cards from other carriers will work in a Verizon LTE phone out of the box.
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I am a little confused about some information I found on Verizon's Note 3 Page. It says that the Note 3 will be a CDMA phone but then lists the following bands:
CDMA Data – 1x and EVDO Rev0/RevA
LTE: B13 (700MHz)
Global Ready (GSM/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900; HSPA/UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz)
(original link: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...t&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=7194)
Does it mean that if sim-unlocked, it can be used internationally, and how, if it doesn't take a sim card? If it can be used internationally, I would much rather buy a Verizon (for the US) instead of AT&T. I use AT&T only because it's a GSM carrier.
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I found the answer here, by the Answerer #2. The 4G/Data part of a global ready phone is GSM compatible, and only that part can be locked for data internationally; the calling part will still depend on CDMA in other countries. If that information is accurate, I will stick to an AT&T Note 3.
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All Verizon 4G LTE devices take SIM cards. They have to, since LTE is based on GSM. Also, historically, Verizon doesn't carrier-lock the LTE/HSPA/GSM part of their 4G LTE phones, so SIM cards from other carriers will work in a Verizon LTE phone out of the box.
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Truth be told. LTE has more in command with CDMA in terms of radio/air interfaces. It covered within 3GPP standards (GSM then EDGE, the UMTS, HSDPA, etc). Rather than 3GPP2 for CDMA1x and EVDO. That's why Alcatel Lucent had a leg up on LTE since its deployment is more akin (specterally) to CDMA. But they dropped the ball, and except for the US and Some Asian markets, the rest of the world has 3GPP based networks deployed.
the Simple version, is LTE is not directly compatible with any 2G/3G technology, but since its covered in 3GPP, the standards evolved quicker to ensure GSM/EDGE/HSDPA interworking.
And beyond that.. what most people dont know, that interworking doesnt really work that widespread yet. In the US most mobile handsets operate on dual frequencies (especially all VzW models, ATT models are catching up) so they effectively talk CDMA1x and LTE at the same time. iPhones do not support that capability, but GSM has work arounds to allow talk+data.
i'll go back to me hole now
(btw.. anyone with iOS7 and ATT.. what out you've got problems you dont know about when going back forth from 3G to 4G.. I know since at work we talked about how to fix it..
I believe a rumor was that it has the same LTE baseband chip as the iphone 5s so that you could potentially use the Verizon version on AT&T and T-mobile...any truth to that?
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I found the answer here, by the Answerer #2. The 4G/Data part of a global ready phone is GSM compatible, and only that part can be locked for data internationally; the calling part will still depend on CDMA in other countries. If that information is accurate, I will stick to an AT&T Note 3.
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Not true, I put a T-Mobile SIM in my Verizon Note 2 and made calls, sent texts, and used data on GPRS, EDGE, and HSPA+.
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Not true, I put a T-Mobile SIM in my Verizon Note 2 and made calls, sent texts, and used data on GPRS, EDGE, and HSPA+.
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I have also done it with an ATT sim on my Verizon note 2.
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geoff5093 said:
Not true, I put a T-Mobile SIM in my Verizon Note 2 and made calls, sent texts, and used data on GPRS, EDGE, and HSPA+.
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I have also done it with an ATT sim on my Verizon note 2.
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Nice! Was this native to the stock Rom or is a custom one needed that has this ability "unlocked"?
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Nice! Was this native to the stock Rom or is a custom one needed that has this ability "unlocked"?
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Stock rom, rooted to allow apn editing.
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Global-ready is basically verizon's way of saying that it has a GSM 3G radio as well as a CDMA radio. That allows the phone to operate in Europe where there is no CDMA service. You can purchase international service from Verizon, or purchase a SIM from a European carrier while overseas. All verizon 4G phones have a GSM 4G radio anyway, because LTE is GSM.
(This means that with an LTE carrier in Europe, any 4G Verizon phone can get data in Europe even if they can't place voice calls (VoIP still possible)).
If I am not wrong with what I am saying, Verizon LTE phones only support LTE BAND: 13, which means that IF you are willing to use 4G with different carrier, they have to support LTE band 13. I have tried to use my Verizon Galaxy Note 2 in South Korea, I was only able to use 3G network via WCDMA, I wasn't able to get LTE service at all. Correct me if I am wrong.
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If I am not wrong with what I am saying, Verizon LTE phones only support LTE BAND: 13, which means that IF you are willing to use 4G with different carrier, they have to support LTE band 13. I have tried to use my Verizon Galaxy Note 2 in South Korea, I was only able to use 3G network via WCDMA, I wasn't able to get LTE service at all. Correct me if I am wrong.
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the different N3 variants due in fact support different LTE bands, so you are correct. Minor point not worth nitpicking from earlier post, GSM is not LTE. they both evolved from the same 3GPP standards body, but portions spread spectrum nature of LTE is more similar to CDMA than GSM.
I went to Korea last October, and they wouldn't allow prepaid 4g LTE. They would only allow 3G for prepaid service.
I had a note 2 rooted and custom rom when I went. I'm a US citizen and you have to wait about 2-3 days before you are allowed to sign up for any plan on what they told me.
I have a rooted N9000 india 3g model.
I am shifting to USA next month and planning to use T mobile network.
I know N9000 doesnt support 4G/LTE but will the 3G network of T mobile work with my handset?
Contacting customer support they said that for high speed connection i need to have both 1700&2100 band on my mobile, but none of the note 3 even N9005 doesnt have 1700 band.
quoting t mobile "As per using a non T-Mobile device though he needs to make sure that the phone is completely unlocked. Also, non-T-Mobile phones without the AWS 1700/2100 band will not work on on T-Mobile's 3G / 4G network due to band limitations. In order to connect with the 3G / 4G network, a device needs to use both of the AWS 1700/2100 bands (not just one or the other)."
im confused whether to take my phone or not?
letaureau said:
I have a rooted N9000 india 3g model.
I am shifting to USA next month and planning to use T mobile network.
I know N9000 doesnt support 4G/LTE but will the 3G network of T mobile work with my handset?
Contacting customer support they said that for high speed connection i need to have both 1700&2100 band on my mobile, but none of the note 3 even N9005 doesnt have 1700 band.
quoting t mobile "As per using a non T-Mobile device though he needs to make sure that the phone is completely unlocked. Also, non-T-Mobile phones without the AWS 1700/2100 band will not work on on T-Mobile's 3G / 4G network due to band limitations. In order to connect with the 3G / 4G network, a device needs to use both of the AWS 1700/2100 bands (not just one or the other)."
im confused whether to take my phone or not?
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Please help as i will be leaving on 9th.