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Hi,
In the specification sheet of HTC HD, it is clearly said that Ram is 288 and Rom is 512. But when I turn on the device, I saw that the memory for storage is 322 (71 in use) and for program is 195.58 (80 in use).
Where are the missing part?
288-195=93 MB of RAM
512-322=190 MB of ROM?
Yes, because if your ROM was empty, your device would not start up. If your RAM was empty, you wouldn't have an Operating System loaded into it to run it.
The figures you have quoted are the factory / in use figures... i.e. Once you have started your phone up, some of the RAM gets used up by loading the OS from ROM.
I hate to sound patronising and pedantic, but if you had to ask that question, you should have probably bought an iPhone.
Budadank said:
have started your phone up, some of the RAM gets used up by loading the OS from ROM.
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I knew this. But I am surprised that the OS takes such a large mount of RAM and ROM.
Do you mean that 512-322=190 MB of ROM is used for storing OS and other default apps like manila; and 288-195=93 MB of RAM is for WM 6.1?
After a soft restart, there are already 80MB RAM in use so I only have 100 MB for other apps out of 288 MB!!
I guess there should be a way to reduce the RAM and ROM usage by deleting some default apps. There is wm PPC comes with 128 RAM which gives user <100 mb to use. I am expecting that since HD has 288, I should have at least 200 mb instead of 100 mb to run my apps.
PS: I dislike the way apple manages iphone and mac. So no thanks.
Lots of the cooked ROMs in the ROM development forum cut out a lot of the fat - there are varying degrees between completely minimal to fully functional - depends on what you want. I think you will find it very difficult to fill the ROM on your device with programs etc - and media is what the Micro SD slot is for.
Could maybe do with a little more RAM at times but you can kill stuff with the taskmanager if you find your phone getting a bit sluggish.
Budadank said:
Could maybe do with a little more RAM at times but you can kill stuff with the taskmanager if you find your phone getting a bit sluggish.
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I agree with you on this point.
Are there any tweaks to do this?
acolytelee said:
I agree with you on this point.
Are there any tweaks to do this?
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You could always use CleanRAM which does as it says, cleans RAM. Some apps or games like Xtrakt or NFS Undercover sometimes won't run due to insufficient RAM. After using this app on setting 2 they work.
Other than this your best bet is to use a lite rom with little or no apps installed on it so you can choose what you want.
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Other than this your best bet is to use a lite rom with little or no apps installed on it so you can choose what you want.
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Thanks.
The lite rom, 6.1 or 6.5, does a lot to reduce Rom, which is not so useful, but not that much to the Ram.
The available ram is still 190 ~ 195 mb.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=482258
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502618
However, it does cut off the Ram in use from 80 to 45 mb so finally one has 150 mb. but where is the missing 288-195?
I think you might need to just get over it matey. In proportion, it's actually not a lot of RAM usage at all. Not when you consider Windows Vista is happy when it has 1GB all to itself and then another GB for programs to run in. That's about 50% for the OS. You're moaning about the OS using about 35% of your RAM.
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I think you might need to just get over it matey. In proportion, it's actually not a lot of RAM usage at all. Not when you consider Windows Vista is happy when it has 1GB all to itself and then another GB for programs to run in. That's about 50% for the OS. You're moaning about the OS using about 35% of your RAM.
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for PC or laptops it's fine with that usage because you can buy rams at very cheap price.
I just dont understand why there is a missing 100 MB ram for wm 6.1 os. the other phones, such as htc nike with 128mb ram give program mem of 100mb. so the os takes only 28 mb.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg233/nikiproject/niki-project-v10.png
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You could always use CleanRAM which does as it says, cleans RAM. Some apps or games like Xtrakt or NFS Undercover sometimes won't run due to insufficient RAM. After using this app on setting 2 they work.
Other than this your best bet is to use a lite rom with little or no apps installed on it so you can choose what you want.
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You posted CleanRAM v1.1, v1.7 is out dude
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=683123
How to use Swap space on SD to increase ram on our devices so we can run more demanding apps.
swap is possible only with custom kernel, so it will not work for us
I believe that doixanh proved more than enough that custom kernel is not needed for any kernel modifications Still, we would need a module.
but i don't think that he should make swap module it will be better if he will finish this
Well, it's up to him what he wishes to develop
IMO swap is useless for Android. It has its own memory management already.
And it would certainly take a high class sd card, AND it would be harmful for it So next time we should just buy a phone with bigger RAM memory
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IMO swap is useless for Android. It has its own memory management already.
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So, how can we increase the memory through SD, my finding isn't good ? If not, how to do it the right way?XD
Graveir said:
And it would certainly take a high class sd card, AND it would be harmful for it So next time we should just buy a phone with bigger RAM memory
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I don't really care about my SD card's health XD i just want more ram XD
But what do you need slow RAM for? RAM is very dynamic and since we already use app2sd it could even slow your device down instead of enhancing performance...
EDIT: Well, maybe it would be faster if you have a class 10 card...
Yeah SD is slow and putting swap there will be incredibly slow.
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Yeah SD is slow and putting swap there will be incredibly slow.
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Yes, but i want this because you know that there are some applications that won't run on X8 because of it's low ram...so, i dont care about about speed, also, i don't use app2sd, so no slowdown, I am using Class 4 card
Yeah I know. Just my opinion
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Yeah I know. Just my opinion
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So, is there a way of using ram just for the ram consuming apps, to make X8 able to at least run them? (You already released an SD card speed fix, so it should go a bit faster...Can you help me, cuz i really like running RAM hungry apps and i don't have enough ram :|
No I don't know about that. Haven't tried swap thingies yet
for example, there are games, like dungeon defenders that requires 256 MB of RAM at the runtime (it's the requirement of unreal enginge 3 i belive). some guys have managed to run the game on LG swift, which is pretty much the same device as x8 when it comes to hardware. maybe it's not running too fast (although i saw some video where it was even faster than on some more powerful devices), and it's not quite playable, but some people might still enjoy it. and without SWAP, it's impossible; and it's just a one example.
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for example, there are games, like dungeon defenders that requires 256 MB of RAM at the runtime (it's the requirement of unreal enginge 3 i belive). some guys have managed to run the game on LG swift, which is pretty much the same device as x8 when it comes to hardware. maybe it's not running too fast (although i saw some video where it was even faster than on some more powerful devices), and it's not quite playable, but some people might still enjoy it. and without SWAP, it's impossible; and it's just a one example.
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Thanks for supporting my ideea XD We really need Swap for Ram Hungry apps
Yes. great. ideA. but... is posible?
The app that does this on market requires custom kernel so might not be possible atm
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Y does gingerbread hog so much ram at start up?? when i had any froyo rom... each time i booted my phone, i had about 112mb used on start up on any froyo rom.. now on any gingerbread rom, its 220mb and more on start up!! and i also notice the phone lag allot when ever used up ram reaches 280 mbs... and it never gets past taht point.... wich i dont know y because thats just a waist of ram...
unused ram is wasted ram
Froyo and Gingerbread for me is the same when it comes to free ram.
Yes..... but id like to have the option to keep that unused ram for my iser applications...
helikido said:
Yes..... but id like to have the option to keep that unused ram for my iser applications...
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That really isn't how it works.
Bad.... bescause the os kills apps that id like to have to background....when it can use upto 330mb...but chooses to not go past 280 sadly..
For me it uses about 110 MB which is a lot less than the 280 MB that froyo roms would use. I'm on cm7.1
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dardani89 said:
For me it uses about 110 MB which is a lot less than the 280 MB that froyo roms would use. I'm on cm7.1
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I think you have it backwards. That's only how much you have left... I could be wrong though. I want to get my panties in a bunch over the principles of not having gingerbread. But to be totally honest after flashing so many roms and testing so many different kernel combos and so on, I don't see the real advantage of having my resources eaten up so that I have a "CRT" screen off animation. I am an adult that needs a functioning phone. I heard way back when that 2.3 is more optimized for gaming. I haven't noticed a difference. Flame away though ye Vibrant owners....
I'm looking at the running tabs of the manage apps section and I have 120 MB taken up with another 210 MB free. I'm running Skype, kaokaotalk, Google maps, beautiful Widgets and Google voice on top of the OS and just opening up the app manager takes up 18 mb itself. In total running apps take up around 60 mb. The rest are cached. I don't think the apps are taking much memory cause they're in standby mode though. Gingerbread has been like a night and day difference compared to froyo IMHO. Much better ram management and faster switching between apps and all out performance. Try cm7.1 I highly highly recommend it. I just started using it a week ago and I'm starting to think Im an idiot for not trying it before. Along with the GPS fix and glitch kernel its much better than bionic 1.3.1 which was what I was using before.
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dardani89 said:
I'm looking at the running tabs of the manage apps section and I have 120 MB taken up with another 210 MB free. I'm running Skype, kaokaotalk, Google maps, beautiful Widgets and Google voice on top of the OS and just opening up the app manager takes up 18 mb itself. In total running apps take up around 60 mb. The rest are cached. I don't think the apps are taking much memory cause they're in standby mode though. Gingerbread has been like a night and day difference compared to froyo IMHO. Much better ram management and faster switching between apps and all out performance. Try cm7.1 I highly highly recommend it. I just started using it a week ago and I'm starting to think Im an idiot for not trying it before. Along with the GPS fix and glitch kernel its much better than bionic 1.3.1 which was what I was using before.
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Cm7 lacks hardware acceleration wich means scrolling suvks on the web and no 720p fladh vid playback... wich is something i need.
You can just use opera web browser for smooth scrolling and amazing web browsing overall. I don't know about the lack of 720p playback will check on it though.
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helikido said:
Bad.... bescause the os kills apps that id like to have to background....when it can use upto 330mb...but chooses to not go past 280 sadly..
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You really have no idea how android software manages itself, do you? I'm pretty sure the software is smarter than you are at managing your apps.
Also, the more functions you add in software, the more space it takes up in both rom and ram.
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You really have no idea how android software manages itself, do you? I'm pretty sure the software is smarter than you are at managing your apps.
Also, the more functions you add in software, the more space it takes up in both rom and ram.
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He should probably install Android 1.1 if he wants to go back to managing his apps.
How is performance? People need to stop worrying about how RAM is being used unless they're OS engineers or at least know a bit about how memory management works. People did the same thing when Windows 7 was released because it appears to use more RAM, but overall performance with modern hardware and a good amount of RAM is much better than Win2000 and WinXP. Ideally the OS should use as much RAM as possible and swap things out when needed according to a memory management algorithm that maximizes performance, not free RAM.
Memory don't really matter unless u use browser alot an its annoying opening system panel an see 90 apps open >.<
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People... i dont like the management because.obviously my phone lags too much when i start browsing the internent and open multiple tabs!!! the phone bogs down complete when ot reaches 280 mb of memory use!!!
helikido said:
People... i dont like the management because.obviously my phone lags too much when i start browsing the internent and open multiple tabs!!! the phone bogs down complete when ot reaches 280 mb of memory use!!!
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Clear your browser data.
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I have about 220 used out of 339mb honestly I have alot of apps running i do a good amount of web browsing and i have a live wallpaper going as well and i have yet to reach a point where there is not enough ram available ...This is my experience with most GB roms i have used..
I honestly think the biggest problem when it comes down to lag is people do not give enough time to run in the software.. Think about when you flash between different roms alot is changing, in some cases even the entire file system is converted. I use Simply Honey 4 now and the first day it had a little hang up here or there.. now 2 days later nothing lags not even the browser.. This was a similar experience when i tried out CM7 and Malice... Just my opinion..
helikido said:
People... i dont like the management because.obviously my phone lags too much when i start browsing the internent and open multiple tabs!!! the phone bogs down complete when ot reaches 280 mb of memory use!!!
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You're assuming that it's lagging because it's not managing memory as well as it could be, but you're jumping to that conclusion. The processor, the IO with the browser cache, lots of Flash in pages, etc. can all cause browser lag. Try setting Plug-Ins to On Demand so that it doesn't run every Flash advertisement on every page. Flash really bogs down the CPU.
guys i am new hear and i need a clean descreaption on how to increase available ram on galaxy y using swap file r someting else will it show on task manager my ram 500 mb etc if i increase it and ive tried swap partation in stock rom ntin hapened my ram decreased to 289 mb someting can any 1 give me video or someting like tat or upload pictures of increased ram
nw at present i am using hyperion 8 rom plz.it l b help full plz plz
have u use search for this topic?
link to tutorial for this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=37822562
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1853669
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1659231
bro i need a way to increase ram not links 2 sd
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naga raju said:
bro i need a way to increase ram not links 2 sd
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you have a phone not a computer,
you can't put a chip to increase ram on a phone since it is embedded into the circuitry.
you have 2 options
- accept the fact we have 180mb of ram
- use swap (which in my opinion does not increase performance) it is similar as pagefile in windows systems
deathnotice01 said:
you have a phone not a computer,
you can't put a chip to increase ram on a phone since it is embedded into the circuitry.
you have 2 options
- accept the fact we have 180mb of ram
- use swap (which in my opinion does not increase performance) it is similar as pagefile in windows systems
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he has no option, but to accept the fact :angel:
well if i do swap will it show on my task manager like nw its showing 289 if i increase 200 mb will it show 489
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naga raju said:
well if i do swap will it show on my task manager like nw its showing 289 if i increase 200 mb will it show 489
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No dude,
Do you have any idea about Virtual memory. If yes then it's something like that. If no, then:
It wont show extra RAM capacity in your taskmanger rather it'll take ceratin part of your memory card and turn it into temporary paging file
With the help of Swapper it allows your ram to Swap the programs that are inactive into Memory storage and active programs to RAM
This is somehow like the virtual memory in PC...
If you think I've helped plz press Thanks button below... :good:
no it will not show you the extra ram you made... if you need to have instructions on how to do it... here's a link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1853669... i personally used this it works great
Does this work as good as it says?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...sMSwxLDEwMiwiY29tLnN3YXBpdC5leHBhbmRlci5kZSJd
its good for gaming and multitask
and good for xperia play with 512 mb ram you try it good
younesb said:
and good for xperia play with 512 mb ram you try it good
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have you tried it?
insane5125 said:
have you tried it?
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There are some benefits to SWAP yes, however using your MicroSD as RAM is far far slower than using actual RAM - so some things can play a little badly with it.
It also isn't a healthy thing to use when it comes to prolonging the lifespan of your MicroSD card as its using all those writes at an almost constant rate.
That being said though, enabling a SWAP partition on your MicroSD card is a somewhat easy thing to do and there are loads of other apps that will do this for free for you. I would not pay for this.
me tried in all roms me use my memory class 10 and good swap for me
Spizzy01 said:
There are some benefits to SWAP yes, however using your MicroSD as RAM is far far slower than using actual RAM - so some things can play a little badly with it.
It also isn't a healthy thing to use when it comes to prolonging the lifespan of your MicroSD card as its using all those writes at an almost constant rate.
That being said though, enabling a SWAP partition on your MicroSD card is a somewhat easy thing to do and there are loads of other apps that will do this for free for you. I would not pay for this.
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So what your saying is it would let me have more multitasking but at the same time it would be slower.
First here is how to do that for free.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32729884
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And yes I use that method, for me my Neo2Play gained some speed, less lags. But there is but, best is when used with fast card. I have 32GB class 10, on my old class 2 it wasn't so impressive.
Works great for me with 1105 MB swap RAM on Atomic GB 7.0.(2.3.7) Especially when using it with RAM Manager Pro on Hard Multitasking setting.
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This sounds cool
amazing
AeroDelight said:
Works great for me with 1105 MB swap RAM on Atomic GB 7.0.(2.3.7) Especially when using it with RAM Manager Pro on Hard Multitasking setting.
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amazing :laugh:
working
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amazing :laugh:
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I found a free version as well v2.0.2 and use it on my I337 S4 from ATT and works with not one force close