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Why auto-killer will NOT speed up your phone

This is for all those people that think auto-killer is the be all and end all of android.
Auto-Killer Does:
Kill Apps to free up RAM
Auto-Killer Does NOT:
Speed up your phone
Here is why!
The way RAM works is - it temporarily stores the files needed to run an application so that the CPU can access them quicker than from ROM/SD-Card.
RAM does NOT slow down when it has more information stored within it, therefore having 20 MB of free ram or 120 MB will make NO difference to the speed of your phone.
Ironically, having more free RAM may even slow down your app loading times because:
If you wish to launch an app and you have 120 MB of free ram with no apps loaded it will have to load the app from your ROM/SD into the RAM and then access it from there.
On the other hand if you have the app already loaded into the RAM, with only 20 MB of free ram, it will load quicker because it doesn't have to check the ROM/SD first!
Therefore, having less RAM free means that more apps will load quicker. In addition to that, Android already has a built in task killer which is designed to kills apps which haven't been used in a long time when you get to a very low ram figure.

btdag said:
This is for all those people that think auto-killer is the be all and end all of android.
Auto-Killer Does:
Kill Apps to free up RAM
Auto-Killer Does NOT:
Speed up your phone
Here is why!
The way RAM works is - it temporarily stores the files needed to run an application so that the CPU can access them quicker than from ROM/SD-Card.
RAM does NOT slow down when it has more information stored within it, therefore having 20 MB of free ram or 120 MB will make NO difference to the speed of your phone.
Ironically, having more free RAM may even slow down your app loading times because:
If you wish to launch an app and you have 120 MB of free ram with no apps loaded it will have to load the app from your ROM/SD into the RAM and then access it from there.
On the other hand if you have the app already loaded into the RAM, with only 20 MB of free ram, it will load quicker because it doesn't have to check the ROM/SD first!
Therefore, having less RAM free means that more apps will load quicker. In addition to that, Android already has a built in task killer which is designed to kills apps which haven't been used in a long time when you get to a very low ram figure.
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Dude, you're talking to deaf ears.
n00bs doesn't care about memory management and schedulers and such stuff... so they do what they always did on their WinMo devices...

I can only hope some listen.

what about task killer is that the same ?
LOL JK

Hmm at about 26 meg left, my phone gets buggy, and slow moving.
'I dont believe appkiller makes my phone is faster, BUT It does´nt get slow...(26meg and lower)
So Autokiller will help my phone having more ram, and the phone is running fine
About the 120 meg free ram, I agree, just use a lower setting
BR.
MKrogh

btdag said:
having 20 MB of free ram or 120 MB will make NO difference to the speed of your phone.
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I'm sorry but experience says it does.

case0 said:
I'm sorry but experience says it does.
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I love the way peoples minds work. Tricks of the mind buddy, tricks of the mind...

Sure, task killers will not speed up your phone, but they will end apps that drain your battery (i.e. facebook, etc.).

I hear what you say and understand what you mean but if that is the case can you explain to me why, after a day or so my phone slows to a crawl and clearing out the memory speeds it up again?

Betty_Swallocks said:
I hear what you say and understand what you mean but if that is the case can you explain to me why, after a day or so my phone slows to a crawl and clearing out the memory speeds it up again?
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Buggy apps wich leaks memory?

I know technically you are right but my Hero get s laggy once the RAM gets low probably due to to many background tasks running at the same time so `freeing up memory`ie killing background tasks definitely removes the lag and speeds things up again

I have to agree with kilsally here. What you have to think its that the more tasks that is open in the background in memory or not the phone will slow down due to the amount of processors running. Just like a PC the more running the slow that gets. One way to improve this is to increase system memory. In the phones case memory is not upgradable (but would be great if it could be!).
When you end tasks using task killer, it's like ending tasks on a computer and WILL speed it back up again (as there is no/very little processors running to slow it down).
Catch my drift?

its great that theres information out there stating how task killers and android shouldnt play together, but when it comes down to it, advanced task killer pro realllllllyyyyy helps keep my phone speedy. around 20 mb is where my phone gets clammy, around 65 mb is where it grows wings. at the end of the day, if i works for you do it. if not dont. THAT'S the beauty of open source <3

Well thats not really true. Although having 20mb or 120mb RAM free itself will not speed up the phone, when using a task killer to clean up running apps you see the speed increase through the lesser toll on the CPU.
When you close and app in android it very rarely closes (the developer will have to force the phone to close the process thread - its very messy), it goes to 'sleep' this often a good thing as it makes opening the app up again much quicker. however most apps leave background processes running all eating away at a chunk of CPU. using a task killer should providing there are a fair amount of apps running to start with boost the phones performance generally
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Wez.

Wezternator said:
Well thats not really true. Although having 20mb or 120mb RAM free itself will not speed up the phone, when using a task killer to clean up running apps you see the speed increase through the lesser toll on the CPU.
When you close and app in android it very rarely closes (the developer will have to force the phone to close the process thread - its very messy), it goes to 'sleep' this often a good thing as it makes opening the app up again much quicker. however most apps leave background processes running all eating away at a chunk of CPU. using a task killer should providing there are a fair amount of apps running to start with boost the phones performance generally
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exactly! background apps doesn't only use your ram. many apps uses the cpu aswell and there for slowing down the phone

Wezternator said:
Well thats not really true. Although having 20mb or 120mb RAM free itself will not speed up the phone, when using a task killer to clean up running apps you see the speed increase through the lesser toll on the CPU.
When you close and app in android it very rarely closes (the developer will have to force the phone to close the process thread - its very messy), it goes to 'sleep' this often a good thing as it makes opening the app up again much quicker. however most apps leave background processes running all eating away at a chunk of CPU. using a task killer should providing there are a fair amount of apps running to start with boost the phones performance generally
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Wez.
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which is exactly why when i have around 20mbs of ram left, killing apps makes my phone faster. people are thinking tooooooo technical about it. its not about memory being used, but whats in the memory (app) isnt slowing things down, but the fact that that app is causing cpu strain is!

It depends what you information you want to have 'pushed' to your phone. If you require it to be 'pushed' the app must run in memory to allow this to happen. Task Killer can kill apps that you don't require 'push' information.

I thought android paused cpu threads that wernt in use?
Also, doesnt matter if you have 20MB of free ram or 2TeraByte of free ram.
I've tried with and without task killers,far less problems without, and i felt it was faster without.
this kinda smells like RAM / registry cleaners for Windows, bull**** aimed at non-technical noobies.

SherlockHolmz said:
this kinda smells like RAM / registry cleaners for Windows, bull**** aimed at non-technical noobies.
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Exactly my thoughts.
tierra said:
Sure, task killers will not speed up your phone, but they will end apps that drain your battery (i.e. facebook, etc.).
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How does facebook drain your battery? I run the app from time to time, never changes bettery life. Also the people talking about CPU hogs - most apps go to sleep in the background and do not take up cpu to continue to run (or at least a minimal amount) - if you're running apps which have memory leaks etc then i think you should choose a different app to use instead of relying on a task killer to kill the task every time it goes wrong.

SherlockHolmz said:
I thought android paused cpu threads that wernt in use?
this kinda smells like RAM / registry cleaners for Windows, bull**** aimed at non-technical noobies.
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Programs that aren't in use do get 'paused' however nearly any program running needs to maintain some CPU activity to stop it from crashing, and some register services that run in the background aiding the program doing what ever it does, these often don't get stopped.
Reg cleaners on PC's are incredibly useful for older PC's, ones what have had a lot of stuff installed and un-installed, and ones with slower HDD's. Because programs don't always remove any reg entries they put in when installed the registry can become massive, with slower/older PC's that can reduce performance quite a lot because it takes longer to find the things that are required, obviously this won't be a problem on newish PC's (ones with sata or solid state, or even fairly new IDE etc) but ones with old 5400rpm IDE (old laptop drives) drives may struggle a little.
again, </rant>
Wez

[Q] How much ram free do you have when you kill all task?

how much of free ram do you have when you kill all task? just wondering because im running like 6 widgets and i get like around 165mb ram when i kill all task. and 224mb when i restart phone.

176 killing all tasks.i used to have the my toch slide and klling all apps i used to get 299 -324
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I get about 185 on virtuous. People complain about sense being a mem hog, but coming from a G1, struggling to keep 20 mb free, even having 100 mb free seems pretty luxurious.
MIUI let me have about 230 mb free at any time, but if I ignored the numbers, I actually didn't really notice any difference in performance. In fact, my average mflops and quadrant scores were still better in virtuous running the same setCPU profiles. I know that's kind of a kernel thing, but still, just goes to show that virtuous is no slouch, even if it uses a lot more memory.
Just my personal experience.
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I have 233mb free running CM7 Build #11. I haven't killed all tasks though, just running as normal.

Just as a reminder, free ram is wasted ram on any unix based OS.

dekeijzer said:
Just as a reminder, free ram is wasted ram on any unix based OS.
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+1
really good point.
when running normal apps (messaging, internet, settings, random ish) I have ~100, if i kill everything i get 175, but that actually doesnt help performance, because next time i open messaging, it takes a few seconds to load back up because it isn't in RAM.
I'm running virtuous and OC'd to 1.49 and it runs perfectly smooth with 100mb free. I can even keep a game like angry birds running in the background without it affecting system performance at all.
on phones that only have 20-30mb free, opening something new can cause slowdowns, but for my G2, there's no need at all to force close things that are sitting nicely in the background.

wow...the vibrants ram is crap....

Im running on simply honey 3.5 gingerbread.... I cant even leave the browaer open to go back to check my facebook without comibg back seeng it reload... and i never get more than 150+ free memory... my aunts iphone 3gs has more free ram... and i know that it has 512mb shared but seriously.. Compared to other 512mb phones this is bull****... they get more than 200mb user ram...

Isn't that based on your internet connection, not ram? lol
and misclicked and hit thanks on accident. -_-

No...i cant multitask more than 4 simple apps at a time withought it shutting them off... terrible..

Mine's working just fine to be quite honest..what are these "simple apps" of yours?

Must just be the ROM.
I have facebook, web browser, twitter, engadget, xda, and more multi-tasked on Bi-Winning and they aren't ever closed.

helikido said:
Im running on simply honey 3.5 gingerbread.... I cant even leave the browaer open to go back to check my facebook without comibg back seeng it reload... and i never get more than 150+ free memory... my aunts iphone 3gs has more free ram... and i know that it has 512mb shared but seriously.. Compared to other 512mb phones this is bull****... they get more than 200mb user ram...
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Are you retarded?
Really?
There's so much wrong with your post that I don't even know where to begin. Hence why I ask:
Are you retarded?

Text plus..... facebook... music and web

R u stupid?
all the people who have replied.underatood what i asked PERFECTLY!!
Hence i ask..
r u stupid?
@ruther...

Longcat14 said:
Must just be the ROM.
I have facebook, web browser, twitter, engadget, xda, and more multi-tasked on Bi-Winning and they aren't ever closed.
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Well i dont have problems on 2.2.1 roms but on every ginger rom like asgard and simply honney.... the ram is basicly crap cuz ginger takes like 210mb on startup :/

Its not the rams fault for processes being killed. Its the ROM/ Kernel your on. You don't want processes being killed use less aggressive LMK settings. The ram on the vibrant works perfectly as it should, this is merely a case of your system not being optimized for what you want. So simply....go fix it. Use less aggressive setting for LMK and a kernel with more user ram. But to be honest this thread has been repeated 1billion times over and people just need to get over the fact that Linux/Android IS NOT LIKE WINDOWS...free ram is wasted ram
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Well it's clearly the rom/kernel's fault. Just go back to 2.2 roms if you're facing issues.
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ECOTOX said:
Its not the rams fault for processes being killed. Its the ROM/ Kernel your on. You don't want processes being killed use less aggressive LMK settings. The ram on the vibrant works perfectly as it should, this is merely a case of your system not being optimized for what you want. So simply....go fix it. Use less aggressive setting for LMK and a kernel with more user ram. But to be honest this thread has been repeated 1billion times over and people just need to get over the fact that Linux/Android IS NOT LIKE WINDOWS...free ram is wasted ram
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Thank you for having the patience to write it out. Perfectly put.

also, if youre using a RAM optimization app, that could be doing it as well...

ECOTOX said:
Its not the rams fault for processes being killed. Its the ROM/ Kernel your on. You don't want processes being killed use less aggressive LMK settings. The ram on the vibrant works perfectly as it should, this is merely a case of your system not being optimized for what you want. So simply....go fix it. Use less aggressive setting for LMK and a kernel with more user ram. But to be honest this thread has been repeated 1billion times over and people just need to get over the fact that Linux/Android IS NOT LIKE WINDOWS...free ram is wasted ram
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This. Couldn't have said it any better Eco.

It's a setting you have on which is likely set to "Agrressive" meaning the minute the ROM doesn't think you need an app, it closes it, regardless of RAM. I can run quite a lot of apps simultaneously all the time. Not a RAM problem.

ECOTOX said:
Its not the rams fault for processes being killed. Its the ROM/ Kernel your on. You don't want processes being killed use less aggressive LMK settings. The ram on the vibrant works perfectly as it should, this is merely a case of your system not being optimized for what you want. So simply....go fix it. Use less aggressive setting for LMK and a kernel with more user ram. But to be honest this thread has been repeated 1billion times over and people just need to get over the fact that Linux/Android IS NOT LIKE WINDOWS...free ram is wasted ram
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Yes, +1.... I Also Say thank you to Ecotox for articulating how Android works so well.
Furthermore, 2.3 roms really only face a 2-3 of real issues:
Because of porting and lack of dedicated Vibrant drivers we have too much battery demand/drain.... the lack of GPS because of no source code or drivers.... because of lack of drivers there are a few small hesitations as a result of porting.
But that said, All in All, the developers have done nothing shy of remarkable work getting these ported roms to work nearly perfectly...... their skills is why we have such choices.
Rather than complaining.......... try to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem/noise..........

Thanx everyone... now I understand.
What app is there on the market or anywhere that can have me set the ram from agresive to least agresive cuz I don't think spare parts work.

RAM

I have rooted my Asus TF, Put on the H 3.1 os, used Clemsyn Blades kernel, running very nicely. I have rooted it, and uninstalled crap like facebook, books, splashtop etc...lot of useless bloatware is out...However here is the problem........LOW MEMORY....This machine has ram of 1GB, and only 800mb shows, so almost 200 for the GI, and out of that 800, about 400mb is always used, despite using various app killers, I think we should be able to get it to about 200mb used? anyone know where so much of ram is bieng eaten
My question to you great knowledgeable friends is;
1) how to get rid of more useless apps eating memory
2) does using a different launcher reduce ram eating?
3) is it possible to achieve about 200-300mb consistent ram?
This is an awsome machine, I think more tweks we can make is super. I have a Samsung GS2, I have removed most of the stock stuff on it and set up my ownlauncher etc. It runs with amazing memory, 500mb free, and awsome graphics interface. Less nonsense.

MasterfullDON said:
I have rooted my Asus TF, Put on the H 3.1 os, used Clemsyn Blades kernel, running very nicely. I have rooted it, and uninstalled crap like facebook, books, splashtop etc...lot of useless bloatware is out...However here is the problem........LOW MEMORY....This machine has ram of 1GB, and only 800mb shows, so almost 200 for the GI, and out of that 800, about 400mb is always used, despite using various app killers, I think we should be able to get it to about 200mb used? anyone know where so much of ram is bieng eaten
My question to you great knowledgeable friends is;
1) how to get rid of more useless apps eating memory
2) does using a different launcher reduce ram eating?
3) is it possible to achieve about 200-300mb consistent ram?
This is an awsome machine, I think more tweks we can make is super. I have a Samsung GS2, I have removed most of the stock stuff on it and set up my ownlauncher etc. It runs with amazing memory, 500mb free, and awsome graphics interface. Less nonsense.
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If you haven't done so already you could use Titanium Backup to remove more stuff (including system apps) since you're rooted. I would advise caution however in case you remove the wrong thing. Perhaps someone else can post regarding which particular system apps are safe to remove, as I haven't expreimented with this myself.

jonitfcfan said:
If you haven't done so already you could use Titanium Backup to remove more stuff (including system apps) since you're rooted. I would advise caution however in case you remove the wrong thing. Perhaps someone else can post regarding which particular system apps are safe to remove, as I haven't expreimented with this myself.
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Ive done that and removed about 10 items. Its running well at 1.4GHz but only problem too much ram usage.

jonitfcfan said:
If you haven't done so already you could use Titanium Backup to remove more stuff (including system apps) since you're rooted. I would advise caution however in case you remove the wrong thing. Perhaps someone else can post regarding which particular system apps are safe to remove, as I haven't expreimented with this myself.
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He could just freeze them first and play with the tf a couple of days and if there are no problems, delete them.
Removing junk isn't a bad thing to do, but in my experience, app killers do more bad than good in android. Other than in windows, you don't need tons of free ram to run apps smoothly. Android has a great ram management that fills your ram with apps for fast access, and closes the least used/needed when another app requests more ram. So if you use an app killer, your tf will have more to do with restarting the apps you just closed and your performance will actually decrease. Google it and you'll know what I mean.
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MasterfullDON said:
Ive done that and removed about 10 items. Its running well at 1.4GHz but only problem too much ram usage.
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As i said before, much ram usage isn't necessarily a bad thing. It only eats performance if a running app is badly coded and doesn't give its ram free when required. Then you better kill this specific app instead of autokilling stuff. Well coded apps won't eat your performance, no matter how much ram is used.
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300Mb oof ram are dedicated to Nvidia Tegra 2. For this reason you read "only" 700Mb. Maybe in near future we will able to allocate more memory than 256Mb to our Tegra 2

memory usage doesn't mean too much now if the app/programe is properly coded, when needed, android should be able to release them on the fly......
same goes to my windows 7 machine, it's got 8 gig memory but the free memory always remains under 500M because the system is using them to cache most recently used applications.
Constantly clearing memory will not help too much, and believe or not, it worsens both the performance and the battery life..
but again, android is not as robust as windows in the terms of memory management, so it's not a bad idea to occasionally take a look at the actual memory usage but just don't go too excessive...

Screwing around with app-killers is never a good idea. Are you actually experiencing issues due to insufficient RAM? I've never had an issue with RAM on my Transformer. Android is much better at handling its memory than people are, let it do its thing.
And for the record, RAM is there to be used. It's the fastest memory a device has, so the more it makes use of, the better. If something else needs more RAM, Android will flush out something that doesn't need it.
I think app-killers are one of the biggest issues with Android, in that people seem to think they're necessary. Unless you actually have some app that's misbehaving or has a memory-leak or something, you shouldn't ever really need to manage your running applications. Just leave it all alone for a while and see how you go.

Midda said:
And for the record, RAM is there to be used. It's the fastest memory a device has, so the more it makes use of, the better. If something else needs more RAM, Android will flush out something that doesn't need it.
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Perfectly said. Don't mess your Transformer around with "Task Manager"-type apps.

Midda said:
Are you actually experiencing issues due to insufficient RAM? go.
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not at all. The machine is fast, its very quick and loads things quickly. The only time I had problem is using logmein, it crashed and said out of memory...I was a bit perplexed. I cleared a lot on my SGS2, and it was much faster.
Let me know any ideas, otherwise, as suggested, I will see how it goes

From my previous experience with Android devices, it's nearly impossible to increase the amount of free ram. I've tried, and only found one solution that I'll talk about later.
This isn't a bad thing. Ram is not CPU usage, and ram is going to use roughly the same amount of electricity regardless.
What android does is fill up the ram with programs that you will potentially use. That way when you want to use the program, it's already loaded in memory. When you load another program into memory, say a game, it will close apps to make room for the new app.
If you really want more memory, the closest thing is a swap file or partition. I use one on my phone, and it helps a good bit. Don't know if it would help the TF101, since it already has 1GB ram.
If you are still set on more free ram, try a program like auto memory manager (there is also another program very similar, has a blue fish for a logo but I forget the name). This doesn't kill apps in memory. Instead it changes the the when android closes programs in memory based on how much free memory is available and the priority of the program. I used it before on my phone with pretty good success, but now I use a swap file instead.
Right now I don't use a swap file or memory manager on my tf101, sine it runs great without it.

Thanks for all your responses.

I think this article should explain how Android 2.x operates. Even though the article is not about Honeycomb (Android 3.x), I doubt Google has changed how it manages memory in Honeycomb.
Article here: h**p://lifehacker.com/5650894/android-task-killers-explained-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
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I only have 55xMB memory shown in the application though.
154MB Used 398MB Free

An Idea for efficient ram usage [for gaming]

The i9000 has just 389 mb ram available to users and hence often leads to lags and app closures in background, in addition to poor gaming performance(apps have to be closed by the game causing stutters and frame rate dops in the beginning of any game)
I was wondering if like ios it was possible for a rom dev to just allow core os apps in a rom and have psuedo-multitasking(freezing and unfreezing) like ios.The reason that iphone 4s, works so smooth and can play heavy games(like real racing 3) with 512 mb ram is because of their multi tasking technique.
At the moment,There is an option in developer options where you can limit background processes to none and purge activities as soon as you exit the activity.This is good for running games(as even the launcher and any other back ground app is closed as soon as u start the app allowing full ram for the current game).This is good for gamers but prevents any form of multi tasking between apps.
If this could be used in complement with freezing and unfreezing of background apps(like ios) then maybe this phone would not have any lag issues at all, even in future heavy os updates.
P.S : It's just an idea. I'm no dev but sure could use an opinion of one .
EDIT : A solution which works for me. Gamerzrom v4.0 has caching of apps pre-enabled. So no more apps killed in background due to lack of ram.

Or you could just use a task manager/killer. Es task manager is good.
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huskyT said:
Or you could just use a task manager/killer. Es task manager is good.
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Taskmanagers are not good and are conflicting with android LMK.

I'd also love to see stuff working like this. Instead of killing all the apps running in background, keep them "frozen" and restore their last state when opening, just like iOS.
And please, don't give us ideas like task killers, tweaks, overclock, bigmem and stuff.. That's NOT what I want, got it?
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kogli said:
I'd also love to see stuff working like this. Instead of killing all the apps running in background, keep them "frozen" and restore their last state when opening, just like iOS.
And please, don't give us ideas like task killers, tweaks, overclock, bigmem and stuff.. That's NOT what I want, got it?
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Buy an iPhone then. Got it?
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Too expensive xDD
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Try Greenify
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Taskmanagers are not good and are conflicting with android LMK.
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Agreed as task killers never worked for me, But to have actual freezing (of background apps only) there's greenify (available on market for free for root users only), and so i have enough ram(about 170-190 mb) to play heavy games without much lag.
But the issue here is to have proper multi-tasking without burdening the os. That is just like how greenify stores the state of the app in background and then completely freezes it, so it won't start again in background and yet open normally when needed(better than disabling the app/service) .If something like this could be extended to foreground apps.
If there's no solution possible, then just buy the cheaper version of iphone coming soon, if its expensive ryt now .

Thats a great idea but there's a problem today new phones come out like crazy i mean now you have phones with quad core processors and 1gb of ram new graphic gpus and stuff which make our phones too old and weak and most people dont bother with things like that because most of them just get a new phone sooner or later which doesnt really need this since they are strong enough to run anything and make it happen fast. So in conclusion devs dont bother with a project that big cause they will move on to different phones as you see they are cheaper everyday. I blame everything on android cause it could have been made better. I have my hopes up for ubuntu touch but well see how that goes
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Still many people have sgs
darkknigh_t said:
Thats a great idea but there's a problem today new phones come out like crazy i mean now you have phones with quad core processors and 1gb of ram new graphic gpus and stuff which make our phones too old and weak and most people dont bother with things like that because most of them just get a new phone sooner or later which doesnt really need this since they are strong enough to run anything and make it happen fast. So in conclusion devs dont bother with a project that big cause they will move on to different phones as you see they are cheaper everyday. I blame everything on android cause it could have been made better. I have my hopes up for ubuntu touch but well see how that goes
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Well over 25 million sgs1 have been sold, and all of them don't have enough money to upgrade anytime soon.
Also the need of such high specs is because apps run in parallel in background.If such a project to develop psuedo-multi tasking is started and completed, then there won't be any need of upgrading ur phone at all(even other low ram phones will benefit from it). But such a project requires great deal of work with how the system works internally, it will require great devs (which we have ) so maybe something can happen :fingers-crossed:.
I know that our phones are strong enough to handle any app one at a time(i disabled all background services possible and set phone to purge any activity as soon as it exits and set background app limit to 0 , using 439mb ram option in devil kernel with sick sky launcher), so i had upto 230 mb ram free when i checked it in settings app(which uses 30 mb ram itself) . With such a setup and oc to 1.2 ghz, i have been able to play real racing 3 with medium graphics(modded)(played at level of graphics of iphone 4) on my phone with almost no lag.

Yes the i9000 has sold alot but ive been looking at the dev section and people are moving on slowly :/ which is a shame. Our phones have enough power for now but for how long i think that at lot of devs will leave the i9000 which makes me sad but what can you do.
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As above:
The same is for our device the Samsung Galaxy S Plus (I9001). There is development but it is slow and some great developers have gone to another device

mrjraider said:
As above:
The same is for our device the Samsung Galaxy S Plus (I9001). There is development but it is slow and some great developers have gone to another device
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Yes if you notice devs have left and those who stayed have many projects and so the development goes slow until it stopps :/
Many of us dont have the money to move to a new device so well just see whats going to happen fingeres crossed it all goes okay
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Im still on modified gingerbread. xD

Use greenify search for it in the play store
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Couldn't this easily be achieved with a swappiness tweak? Write any app that isn't in focus onto the swap partition so no background apps are in memory, would make the system **** tier slow though for anything but gaming.
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Delete bloatware,disable unnecessary services without disabling whole app with DisableServices app ( you can find it on google store,and it's free), install busybox pro and run RAM manager Pro, and last step would be to try installing soem custom Roms which probably could give better performance to you.

A good setup for gaming
For those people who want to obtain maximum performance from games, here are some tips which i have found over the 3 years i have had this phone:
1) The best kernel for gaming which i have used would be devil kernel (jb 4.2) , purely because of a 439 mb ram optionum amount of ram which can be found usable at the moment. This mode however disables the camera completely. Also it has options for overclocking.
I personally use the 439 mb ram option and 1.2 ghz clock speed for processor.
2) Try to use a debloated rom, and then try to use as less gapps as possible i.e. try to use the slim version of the gapps for the rom or install the gapps which u require manually. The gapps are not shown normally but under google services so u cant hibernate them with greenify. SO its better to not have unused gapps and features like face unlock ets.
3) Instead of using task managers, use greenify so that apps do not restart again. And try to hibernate all apps which u dont require. Apps like facebook, g+ and whatsapp are the biggest ram hoggers. Also beware of google maps cuz it does not hibernates(uses 30-40 mb ram)
4) Disable services like email exchange etc which are not used by you at all.
5)I have seen that restarting the phone helps get rid of some google core services, giving more free ram.
6) There is an option in developer settings at the bottom in apps section, set background app limit to none and also check the option "don't keep activities". Do this just before gaming and then undo them after ur done or else it will prevent any form of multi tasking.
7)Try to use light weight launchers, and no widgets(as these themselve are like an extra process which need to run in background). I am using sicksky launcher(uses just 18 mb). other options are zeam and lightning launcher.
NOTE : anyone using stock samsung rom (2.3.6), they should switch over to a custom rom, because samsung rom is completely not for gamers. most of the system processes are hard to kill , also total available ram is only (316-330) vs jb ( total ram usable is 390- 439). However if
u dont wanna change ur rom, greenify will still help, also disabling services.
Conclusion: I am using gamerzrom v4, with devil kernel using 439 mb ram option and 1.2 ghz oc.
I have had no lags in all temple runs (including oz), subway surfer and rr3 on medium graphics, nfs mw. normally using the above tips i have 180-210 + <ram used by settings app> ram free at any moment when i'm checking free ram in settings->apps->running (settings itself is a process and to see total free ram add the amount used by settings to free ram).
Also i have observed that the game devs(mainly gameloft and glu) have now begun to put our phone in low power gpu category(not totally incorrect for an unmodded sgs but not true if u have use the above tricks(especially oc and ram mod)).
so these games often can be modded for higher graphics (various mods on xda for games like nfs mw, rr3, asphalt 7, nova 3 etc) so they can be played with better graphics without lag. I have tried nfs mw mod, asphalt 7 mod, rr3 mod and they all work pretty good on medium(not available normally).
i would love it if more people share their tips on how they keep their phones going strong

Saw this Forum, Even tho im not a Samsung GS1 User, My Buddy has one and i recently gave him my ADJ Values that i use on my Xperia Play (same specs as ur device...) and he said he could do Gaming, Multitasking, and All sorts of more,
Here it is:
Code:
# Pro Gamer ADJ 1.3 By Pizza_Dox
ro.FOREGROUND_APP_ADJ=0
ro.VISIBLE_APP_ADJ=3
ro.PERCEPTIBLE_APP_ADJ=2
ro.HEAVY_WEIGHT_APP_ADJ=3
ro.SECONDARY_SERVER_ADJ=15
ro.BACKUP_APP_ADJ=7
ro.HOME_APP_ADJ=6
ro.HIDDEN_APP_MIN_ADJ=3
ro.EMPTY_APP_ADJ=15
Also if u Wanna Keep the Home Launcher in Ram do this Instead of This:
Code:
ro.HOME_APP_ADJ=6
Replace with This:
Code:
ro.HOME_APP_ADJ=1
Oh and to apply them just copy to build.prop but make sure their arnt any other ADJ Values, then once done save and reboot!
Hope this helped,
Oh btw try VmLagTunner before Playing Games, Or install Permanently!

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darkknigh_t said:
Yes the i9000 has sold alot but ive been looking at the dev section and people are moving on slowly :/ which is a shame. Our phones have enough power for now but for how long i think that at lot of devs will leave the i9000 which makes me sad but what can you do.
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Well, our I9000s are almost 4 year old so no doubt that the development is gonna be worse, cause newer devices are being released.
Anyway, 4.2 seems to work bad on our phones so I really doubt that 4.3 will be any better. It just seems that the new JellyBean more performance than our phones can offer.
Sooner or later we all will switch to something newer

Dandry said:
Well, our I9000s are almost 4 year old so no doubt that the development is gonna be worse, cause newer devices are being released.
Anyway, 4.2 seems to work bad on our phones so I really doubt that 4.3 will be any better. It just seems that the new JellyBean more performance than our phones can offer.
Sooner or later we all will switch to something newer
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I dont know about that im running gamerzrom 4.2 and its running great i think 4.2 can run fine just needs a little more work and time but yea will have to move on to a new phone :/
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