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New TyTN owner: disappointed with freezes

I've been a long term HTC fan, having had a Cingular 8125 for over a year. I just got a TyTN and immediately added a 2 G micro SD card and then loaded that up with software: uBook, NewsGator Go for blogs, Egress for podcasts, SBSH Weather, and MortPlayer. It was very unstable, freezing about half a dozen times a day. Doing a little research, I found that the presence of a micro SD card was implicated in freezing. Freezing is where the phone part of the TyTN continues to work (green light continues to blink), but the Windows part is locked up. I've removed the weather and Egress items from the Today screen, and so far that's reduced the freezes to once a day.
I would like the Hermes to be as reliable as the wizard which went weeks without me resetting it. I'm currently on ROM 1.18.255.3. Is moving to a new ROM version likely to fix this freezing problem? Are there people out there using a 2 G micro SD without a freezing problem? I understand there's a new ROM due out at the end of January, should I hold off till that comes out?

I mean to add that I have a HT636 serial number in case it is hardware related.

Aha! evidence indicates micro card
By removing various software from the today screen, there was no reason for any software to look at the micro card. The phone had not crashed, and yet the file manager showed that the micro card was not present.
But this stinks, I got the phone so it would hold a gigabyte of stuff, mostly podcasts.
At least can feel confident in the problem. Any chance it could the SANS micro SD card?

Not sure why your file explorer is saying there is no micro-sd card.
I use the same card as you and do not have as many hangs as you.
Some things to be aware of.
Best practice suggests putting in main memory anything that is used on the today screen or by phone application. In other words anything the device would need on coming out of sleep mode is best placed in Main memory.
Everything else can be placed on the SD card.
If you do not use push email you should carefully apply the "fake server" trick
You probably are, but you must use a task manager (say magic button or the like) to properly shut down applications.
I personally steer clear of today plugins that automatically connect to the net for data - e.g. weather/traffic/news type programmes.
Mike

Thank you for your ideas.
I guess I was spoiled by the 8125. Perhaps that it uses the regular SD instead of the micro-SD is the reason. All my apps on the 8125 were on the storage card, and I didn't force applications to quit.
I guess I just need to accept that the TyTN is more touchy about the card and try working around it.
Thanks for the feedback.

I did the same as you, added a 2 gig card from the start. I have journal bar running for weather and news, loaded in main memory, everything else is on the micro SD card. I had the same lockups as you are seeing but it's not the microSD in my case.
I found that the phone "wakes" often for calls, notifications etc. while in it's holster. When it wakes all keys are "unlocked" and subject to getting pressed. From this forum, I applied all the patches and tweakes like Auto-lock on power up, PTT button re-mapping, and many registery tweaks for bluetooth accys.
Mine almost never hangs now. The main culprit now seems to be when connecting/disconnecting it to a charger sometimes turns off bluetooth or hangs the unit, but it's intermittent.
Overall I'me very happy now, till "Kaiser" comes out...

Thank you for the info. I'm going to move the sensitive applications to the main memory. Do you think the ROM version could be contributing to the failures? I have 1.18 and I believe there is an official 1.35 out that is later.
Thanks

Another Way to Speed Up your Hermes
This Might Help You Making Performance of your Hermes Better
WM5_Tweaks_Performance
Espacially by:
Enable FileSystem cache
Increase FileSystem cache
Increase FileSystem filter cache
NOTE: These Tweaks Helped Me ALOT.....

Thanks for the ideas about tweaks. I'm going to see how stable I can make it before applying any of them.

applied all of them and it does seem significantly faster now.

I'd definitely recommend the ROM upgrade, I have never experienced the silly lock ups that I used to since.

I just experienced my first freeze on my Vario II (UK).
I got the phone on saturday, and used it for the first time as an alarm clock yesterday and everything was great (sunday I forgot to turn it off silent - boo that you have to remember).
This morning my alarm didn't go off, when I woke up the phone had frozen and wouldn't display anything - but the light was still flashing. I haven't got a MicroSD yet.
Would I have the latest ROM as I have only just got the phone? If not, how do I upgrade or find out what version of the ROM I have?

i am on the std rom released by imate in australia 2.3 i think. i have used many including xdaII and the universal.
the current hermes is the most reliable, most stable, and most amount of uptime with the best battery life, so overall i am very happy.
by the same token, i have been here long enough to know exactly what needs to happen to totally rebuild these devices from the basic rom to a device that works efficiently.
it is vital that you apply all things that are required or used during the initial startup, including things in the startup directory, and on the today screen to be present in main memory.
i have also found that icons on today or in start menu that are loaded on an sd card can slow the device down.
having memory readers on the today screen, reading the SD card memory isnt good either.
using and going through a lot of the registry hacks are useful, but not necesarily for the speed, hangs, but for functionality.
also, custom applications that are installed on the sd card i move out of the program directory to a sub directory called custom apps. this is simply to ease the speed of opening, and when i open custom, i accept a minor second or two delay rather than immediate.
i did have (not recently) have problems with the system loosing the sd card directory, which a soft reboot fixes. which is all the more importance of hiding the icons and applications from day to day interaction that use the SD card.
you can also look at reformatting the card.
i also did find that doing a full back (SPB) and doing a restore speeded up the device noticably.
there may also be speed issues if you dont synchronise regularly, and the notifications queue on previous devices also caused problem, but havent found much here.
doing other simple stuff like error reporting, disabling bluetooth auto beam is also a good start.
using ring tones or themes that are on the sd card are also not as reliable than locating in immediate ram.
so rule of thumb, you need to be able to boot up and use your device completely independently of your SD card, and only access the storage card for apps that you call for, and for data that isnt needed immediately on boot up, to store songs, files, documents and related types.
hope it helps. but in answer to your question, if you can get a more updated rom, you will definitely get a benefit, but quantifying the benefit is hard. new roms are released for a reason, so consider them seriously.
that said, if you dont need to wait for a supported rom rather than crossing platforms, this is always difficult and should only be done with extensive knowledge. as such, i dont have that many problems i cant overcome, and so am waiting for the official imate rom to be released....
hope it helps with some ideas and areas to consider
S.

ben2004uk; have a read of the wiki, it's all there should you wish to upgrade. It is fairly simple.

Freeze's gone
Ok, I feel a lot better. I've moved the one critical today add-in (weather) to main memory. I've only occassionally accessed the external storage. But with that configuration I now was able to go about 5 days without a freeze!
So I conclude that the storage card is not waking up quick enough or something like that. Other people have said it, but don't put any "always running" or "today related" software on the storage card.
I'm still on 1.18 ROMs, but I think I'll hold off for a while before upgrading. I just don't feel like rebuilding the machine right now.

how to determine ROM versions.
ben2004uk said:
I just experienced my first freeze on my Vario II (UK).
I got the phone on saturday, and used it for the first time as an alarm clock yesterday and everything was great (sunday I forgot to turn it off silent - boo that you have to remember).
This morning my alarm didn't go off, when I woke up the phone had frozen and wouldn't display anything - but the light was still flashing. I haven't got a MicroSD yet.
Would I have the latest ROM as I have only just got the phone? If not, how do I upgrade or find out what version of the ROM I have?
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It took me the longest time to find this as the wiki did not address it. go the start menu, then settings. Then click on the system tab at the bottom. Select the Device Information control panel. Now go to the TyTN wiki: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Upgrades
and review your options. At Feb 1, 2007, 1.35 appears to be the latest official one.

X2 beware it CORRUPUTS memory card content!

People beware!!!
This failure X2 corrupts memory cards!
Completely corrputs the content!
Sooner or later you’ll also encounter this –
confirmed by many other users!
So if you still decide to use this unreliable piece of failure,
be sure to make backups!!!!

doministry said:
People beware!!!
This failure X2 corrupts memory cards!
Completely corrputs the content!
Sooner or later you’ll also encounter this –
confirmed by many other users!
So if you still decide to use this unreliable piece of failure,
be sure to make backups!!!!
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Indeed,
I lost 7Gb aprox of very valuable stuff, like source code, documentation, photos, charts, music, software, video, backups, and so on..
I think i may found the pattern (kind of) because after the first corrupted memory it happend to me seeeeeveral times...
Its like if i start an app (lets say a game) that uses a lot of resources, the game is laggy and somehow it closes OR you use another app on the same time that is installed on the SD, like they crash by sharing some kind of resource... im not quite sure but at least two times after "playing" (i quote it because its mega laggy) i saw my Program Files folder EMPTY...
At least this time it doesnt f*** the whole card..

i wonder why OP hasnt posted a single good thing bout x2
i owe it and im quite satisfied with it it hass some things that need to be fixed but otherwise i like it
the only problem i have with it is that loses the sd card sometimes but as i read its the card problem (default one that came with it) its class2 (cheap $#"$#!%%&Z&#&"%%""% provider)

indycar: You are terrible wrong! The card problem issue is the X2 problem NOT card! I try a lot of cards (differents manufacturer, size, class). The point is, that X2 automatically turn off card when you stand by device and it turn on when you wake up X2 again. I´m thinking, that this should be a "feature" to increase power managing capabilities...

indycar said:
i wonder why OP hasnt posted a single good thing bout x2
i owe it and im quite satisfied with it it hass some things that need to be fixed but otherwise i like it
the only problem i have with it is that loses the sd card sometimes but as i read its the card problem (default one that came with it) its class2 (cheap $#"$#!%%&Z&#&"%%""% provider)
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Well I wrote many good things about it before.
With a decent firmware it'a decent device and the best choice!!!!!!
But current firmware is a massacre confirmed by all users so no reason for good words....
The memory card problem is completely independent from the card, happened to me with both cards!!!

Another victim of memory card corruption. the whole content of the memory card just dissappear like*poof*. and the symtoms looks the same. system became incredably laggy all of the sudden. reboot the device and "watch your past disappear" (adapted from STFirst Contact when Borg Queen says "Watch your future ends")...
Ben

the weird thing about my card is that only SOME things disappeared, i had several folders on my card little by little they disappeared but the files that werent in folders stayed and never got deleted, thought the card itself did not gain/lose any memory.

my card is fine .. nothing happened

You corrupted people should try some file recovery software to recover your card content. There are plenty of free recovery programs on the internet. You'd have to stick your card into your computer and run the software on the disk. Report back if you get it to work because if could help others.

ring-bearer said:
You corrupted people should try some file recovery software to recover your card content. There are plenty of free recovery programs on the internet. You'd have to stick your card into your computer and run the software on the disk. Report back if you get it to work because if could help others.
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Most of my content was backed up so I will not hassle with this.
However I would love to know how to eventually format the card to
to not to slow it down...

This whole X2 case reminds me of N97 when it was introduced. Truly 'spooky' phone

My card is also from today one of those who messes up. My files does not get deleted but when browsing the card from the phone it sometimes contains perhaps two out of the folders, sometimes the files is there (i guess) but folder and file names seams renamed. A look at the card on my computer shows every file/folder/file name intact.

Guys,
You who had the SD-card corrupted, did you install any applications on it that you use frequently?

hertell said:
Guys,
You who had the SD-card corrupted, did you install any applications on it that you use frequently?
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As you might have read, my card only looked corrupted in the phone file explorer but yes, I installed every application on the card. Most used is S2P and Pocket player and of course all my music used by the apps mentioned.
If running S2P listening to music,the app suddenly halts. I then shuts S2P down and starts file explorer to see what happened the card looks partially deleted or all folder and file names corrupted (mounting the card on PC shows no errors at all).
In the beginning I had Outlook save incoming mail on card but as the card disconnects outlook creates a folder, Storage Card in root of phone. That creates a problem when the phone mounts the card again since it gets named Storage Card2 instead. That messes up all short cuts created by me or phone to the applications installed at the card.
I use card pre packed with phone and I see no reason to try another since others here reports no difference when replacing card.

hertell said:
Guys,
You who had the SD-card corrupted, did you install any applications on it that you use frequently?
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The moment my card got corrputed
I quit using X2 completely.
I've seen no sense in further struggling and
I also have no time for that.
Why the question?
MR2 also screws it?!

TLDR: Don't install programs or attachments on your storage card.
I am now 100% certain that power management is behind the disappearing storage card issue, and is a culprit in a number of other bugs. It looks like when you put the device into standby, it switches off power to a number of components.
It's easy to see what happens with the storage card if you use SPB Mobile Shell. There's a handy shortcut under Tools - Browse Files - Storage Card. If you put that shortcut on your home screen and come out of standby, you'll usually see the icon return to the default unassigned shortcut. After anywhere between a fraction of and many seconds, the SD card icon will reappear.
Seems like some genius engineer at Foxconn, not knowing much about WinMo or stuff in general thought he was being very clever by saving what, 10mA? in shutting it off. Think of all those extra minutes of standby time saved.
I too suffered from a corrupted FAT, but thankfully all I really lost was MP3s I already had elsewhere. Since I figured out what's going on, I've had no trouble whatsoever. It does of course mean that I've had to make yet more compromises in the functionality of the device. The key is to make sure not to install programs on the storage card, or if you must, make sure the phone doesn't go into standby while running them. Also, don't choose to store email and MMS attachments on the card, or you'll get the Storage Card2 problem.
Stupid power management also explains these other things that have been bothering me, and many of you:
Notification sounds and lights not working properly.
Sporadic checking of email.
Custom ringtones disappearing (Hint: put them on main memory).
The phone randomly freezing when trying to work with Bluetooth car kits.
Presumably Sony engineers are aware of this, because if they aren't, God help us. I'm guessing that power management is such a low level issue that it's very difficult to fix with firmware if at all. That being the case, I'm not confident this phone will ever work properly and has most likely sounded the death knell for me for both Sony Ericsson and WinMo.

@bedlam_au
You may be right about power management.
That may be the answer.
Before my card corruption when I was entering SlideView
I always saw it REFRESHING media content,
like looking for it again and again....

have you tried it?
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\Suspend]
"shc1:"=dword:00000000
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\Resuming]
"shc1:"=dword:00000000
We have been testing it with my friend for a while (since 24th of april) and he hasn't got any storage card problems after applying this *.reg. He had them every time before that.

@ultrashot: I think you've done it! Changed those keys and didn't even need to soft reset. I've been checking all day and haven't seen the storage card disappear once. Presumably it's going to stay that way.
Does someone feel like making up a cab for this? It'd make many people's day.

bedlam_au,

My camera is working randomly...i get random restarts too :)

Well the same day i got my nexus, after taking few pictures, my camera basicly died, started to give errors or restarts the phone, then it was unable to get on at all.
I did factory reset number of times, nothing happened. I thought it's something hardware and forgot about my camera for a while, just to find today that it works again. I took lots of pictures without any problems, shot some video too.
Later in the day when i decided to try it again, it was giving the same error again as day 1 ("The camera application is not responding" and you can force kill it, then if go to the camera again, it says that it couldnt connect to the camera).
So seems like it's something software related since its randomly working, but if factory reset isn't helping, then what it might be that can be fixed softwarely?
I'm rooted now. Still the stock rom.
p.s.
the phone also restarts when i mount the SD card and start copying lots of files and randomly restarts at other occasions too, without any obvious reasons, even when just sitting.
Other than that the phone is great
hopefully its all software that can be fixed though!

Sounds to me like there's something buggy on ya SD card. Id reformat the SD card if ya haven't already and run it empty for a bit to see if the problem persists... I think the most forgotten fix for things if they haven't figured it out is SD card, a lot of issues can come from the SD card, not saying ievery issue is the SD card, but ya be surprised how a card can wack phone out.
Sounds to me like its when your phones accessing the SD card...

yeah makes sense but
i've formatted it many times, and the camera doesnt work even without it (doesnt even start)
btw it's not the original card, but my old one from my HTC HD
the camera is supposed to work and without a SD card inserted right?

Fking1 said:
yeah makes sense but
i've formatted it many times, and the camera doesnt work even without it (doesnt even start)
btw it's not the original card, but my old one from my HTC HD
the camera is supposed to work and without a SD card inserted right?
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I meant keep card in it, just empty without files, formatted and see what happens

i've tried that, doesnt help

Hi,
try formatting SD card with Panasonic SD Formatting Tool,it writes back the partition table and could help. For me worked, I had an issue with gallery, surely related to SD card, and now works well.
Bye

what settings to use to format it?
what fat, cluster size?
i've formated it bunch of times with the windows vista tool, fat32 and the default cluster size (i think) but it didnt help.
And if i recall correctly it was crashing the camera and with SD card out of the phone

yeah just tried again
even with the card out, none of the camera using applications starts, including the camera, barcode scanner and 3d compass
the later 2 dont even take pictures, so they dont need the sd card at all and still they dont work
what else it might be? im getting some other applications crashes from time to time, seems that my phone isnt very stable. And it's stock...huh

I suggest sending it back for repair/replacement. Could very possibly be the result of bad blocks in ram.

You mentioned it isn't the original SD card the phone came with. Why don't you try the original card then, and see if it is the actual card, or the phone that is the problem.

Clarkster said:
You mentioned it isn't the original SD card the phone came with. Why don't you try the original card then, and see if it is the actual card, or the phone that is the problem.
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i would have done that long time ago if i had it, this is the only card i have handy at the moment
but it makes the same problem with the card pulled out, so it isn't the card for sure

do u tihnk that there is any chance reflashing the rom would fix it?
any records of factory roms being buggy for just particular devices?

Okay...first off you said it's an older card, you could have bad sectors on your card, some of the older cards only have a read/write cycle of a couple thousand before fail. Second you can't run the camera app without the sd card. Third formatting the card so many times helps you count down those read/write cycles on your card. I'd be pretty confident in saying that your problems would go away after getting a new card. Hope this helped
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llxxjinxxll said:
Okay...first off you said it's an older card, you could have bad sectors on your card, some of the older cards only have a read/write cycle of a couple thousand before fail. Second you can't run the camera app without the sd card. Third formatting the card so many times helps you count down those read/write cycles on your card. I'd be pretty confident in saying that your problems would go away after getting a new card. Hope this helped
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would be great if its just that
But what do u get you when you try to start the camera app with SD card out
Does it hangs and crashes and you need to force kill it or?

yup....just tried it, i popped my card out rebooted and started camera app, and i got a force close with no option to wait

that's great man! It means that it could actually be from the stupid card!
thank you so much!

uninstall market updates

Devastatin said:
uninstall market updates
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m? hows that supposed to help?

Well i tried with 2 different cards, it still gives the very same problem
it isnt the card
im with froyo now, and that doesnt fix it either
do you think if the cyanogen rom may change something about this?

[Q] Wp7 Reboots all the time AFTER activating live services

So Ive spent all day going through a lot of threads and posts and stuff, about the HD2 rebooting a lot and the only possible reason i could find was the memory card wasnt supported. its the stock 16gb class 2 that comes with the usa hd2, but im pretty sure it works because before i activated the live services everything was perfect, after i activate them, it reboots every couple minutes, anyone find a fix for this or any tips? ive tried formating the memory card, reflashing the phone, updating the radio, everything.

itsedstech said:
So Ive spent all day going through a lot of threads and posts and stuff, about the HD2 rebooting a lot and the only possible reason i could find was the memory card wasnt supported. its the stock 16gb class 2 that comes with the usa hd2, but im pretty sure it works because before i activated the live services everything was perfect, after i activate them, it reboots every couple minutes, anyone find a fix for this or any tips? ive tried formating the memory card, reflashing the phone, updating the radio, everything.
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I had the same problem the first time I ported WP7 to my phone using the same stock 16gb class 2 card. I suggest you restart the process.
-Reformat your sd card (I did a quick format)
-Reinstall WP7
-Follow the exact steps to enable market. When moving the file using Touch explorer, remember to copy the file and not cut it..on my first attempt I made a few mistakes and I ended up cutting the file into the windows folders. Suddenly my phone started to restart itself every other minute.
-All apps that I've tested on the market works including netflix, youtube, weathebug.
-Zune transfers and playlists works like a charm!
After following these steps, WP7 has been running solid for almost two days!
I hope this helps.
John

jnujin said:
-Reformat your sd card (I did a quick format)
John
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which formating program did you use? and what cluster size?

jnujin said:
I had the same problem the first time I ported WP7 to my phone using the same stock 16gb class 2 card. I suggest you restart the process.
-Reformat your sd card (I did a quick format)
-Reinstall WP7
-Follow the exact steps to enable market. When moving the file using Touch explorer, remember to copy the file and not cut it..on my first attempt I made a few mistakes and I ended up cutting the file into the windows folders. Suddenly my phone started to restart itself every other minute.
-All apps that I've tested on the market works including netflix, youtube, weathebug.
-Zune transfers and playlists works like a charm!
After following these steps, WP7 has been running solid for almost two days!
I hope this helps.
John
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interesting...i will try it again..
all we know stable is the most important factor, even than the market

I have this same problem. I rather doubt that copying-vs.-cutting or cluster size has anything to do with it, particularly as WP7 will reformat your SD card itself on first boot. Your problem probably became more pronounced after using Live because the SD card was being used to store the additional data/settings.
My opinion is that we have "bad" (perhaps insufficiently speedy) SD cards (I am also using the stock 16GB TMob USA card); haven't had a chance to test my theory by swapping it out yet, though.

Random reboots with SD card problem

Hi.
I decided to try out WP7 on my HD2 for the first time.
I run Task29, installed new radio, MAGLDR 1.13 and rom blackSideSeven v1.7.7392.
Everything went preety smooth. I recieved activation code from US support (through chat). Working market place, 3G, wi-fi, apps etc.
After few hours phone reboots itself, goes through MAGLDR and then WP7 says:
"Storage card not working. Your storage card has changed, is damaged, or is non-compliant. (...)".
All I could do then was turning the phone off. Reboots did nothing, so I made a hard reset. It worked, but I lost all my settings etc. Moreover available space went down to 40 MB (from over 1,5 GB).
I decided to format card with SDFormatter(it says my card is not compatible with Full(erase) and does quick format). Again, task29, radio, magldr, wp7. Works again. Few hours later same story. Storage card not working.
I'm using SanDisk 2GB SD card.
Does anyone has an idea what could be the problem here?
Thanks in advance.

Rebooting in WP7 usually means an incompatible sd card, However I was able to find your sd card in the "WP7 Compatible sdcards" .
Try another sd card, preferrably an 8 or 16 gig.
Reference

Thanks for response.
About 13 hours ago I changed SD card from this 2GB SanDisk to 2GB Kingston, used SDFormatter (not compatible with full erase either) and made hard reset. It was loading everything slower for the first time, but after some time it was as fast as SanDisk.
I've been using Zune, wi-fi, 3G, browser, marketplace, xbox-live panel, put some music. So far so good, no reboots and it still shows a lot of space available (which seems a bit strange though, because I almost filled everything with music through Zune).
I hope it will stay like that. I really like WP7, it's UI, speed and simplicity.
So yeah, if anyone will have a similiar problem, try to change SD card and see if that works for you.

kawazaki said:
Rebooting in WP7 usually means an incompatible sd card, However I was able to find your sd card in the "WP7 Compatible sdcards" .
Try another sd card, preferrably an 8 or 16 gig.
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lol
That thread is about as useful as using a packet of crisps as a life raft.
nothing is confirmed as several people have mentioned many many.......many times

volv said:
...... So far so good, no reboots and it still shows a lot of space available (which seems a bit strange though, because I almost filled everything with music through Zune).
I hope it will stay like that. I really like WP7, it's UI, speed and simplicity.
So yeah, if anyone will have a similiar problem, try to change SD card and see if that works for you.......
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actually you might have had more luck because you copied music to it, ive found that if i do not have enough music on my card it will restart, im guessing that the music covers up a dodgy patch of storage, which is fine for playback of music but perhaps doesnt perform as quick for OS functions

After few days I can say everything works really good. On 2GB Kingston I didn't have any reboots. It works a bit slow sometimes though(especially when changing apps and in marketplace). It is good for daily use.