Hello!
Dose anybody know if there's a different specs between the US & European version of the Nexus 7 LTE?
I mean that in fact the frequencies between the versions are different, but that's require that the LTE chip should be also different or it's all matter of baseband & software?
Thanks
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dudi.arviv said:
Hello!
Dose anybody know if there's a different specs between the US & European version of the Nexus 7 LTE?
I mean that in fact the frequencies between the versions are different, but that's require that the LTE chip should be also different or it's all matter of baseband & software?
Thanks
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You *do* realize the irony in the fact that you could have Googled this fact about a Google tablet in less time than it took to type in that request, right?
Anyway...
Network
North America:
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HSPA+: 850/900/1900/2100/AWS (1700/2100) MHz (Bands: 1/2/4/5/8)
LTE: 700/850/1700/1800/1900/2100 MHZ (Bands: 1/2/3/4/5/13/17)
Europe:
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HSPA+: 850/900/1900/2100/AWS (1700/2100) MHz (Bands: 1/2/4/5/8)
LTE: 800/850/1700/1800/1900/2100/2600 MHz (Bands: 1/2/3/4/5/7/20)
And that's about it for differences.
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You *do* realize the irony in the fact that you could have Googled this fact about a Google tablet in less time than it took to type in that request, right?
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Well, you missed that the OP is aware of that.
He is pondering about a more interesting question - if that needs a different hardware or just flashing a different radio rom.
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Well, you missed that the OP is aware of that.
He is pondering about a more interesting question - if that needs a different hardware or just flashing a different radio rom.
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That's exactly what I meant.
Thank you dude!
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Well, you missed that the OP is aware of that.
He is pondering about a more interesting question - if that needs a different hardware or just flashing a different radio rom.
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dudi.arviv said:
That's exactly what I meant.
Thank you dude!
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Point taken - sorry, but I've seen the frequency question come up so many times that I'm answering on reflex.
Apparently the WWAN chip is the Qualcomm WRT1605L which supports 7 LTE bands. It's capable of handling almost any kind of cell protocol and band - but they have to choose the seven LTE bands they'll support. I don't know (and can't find) and spec for the chip or the Gobi chipset (Snapdragon) that it's a part of. Typically, the OEM requests the chips with the bands they want selected - but looking though the OEMs for the chip, they don't seem to have a process to define it at purchase time. Mind you, this could simply mean they expect to walk the OEM through the process after purchase before delivery.
To the best of my knowledge, the Euro and NA models both use the same chip and there's no differentiation on the model number cited anywhere (but that could easily be because no one's opened both of them up and looked).
So - is it possible that you could reconfigure the WRT1605L to make it see a set of LTE bands you want? It's possible. Unfortunately, without specs or a tech document from Qualcomm, it'll be difficult to tell - and I don't think Google actually posts the source for the radio ROM code, so no way to just read the code and see if they have band switching code in there.
If you want to dig, though - here's a starting point:
https://developer.qualcomm.com/mobi...es/3g4g-connectivity-gobi/tools-and-resources
The WRT1605L is part of the Gobi platform AFAIK.
As for flashing the Euro radio ROM turning on those freqs on the NA model? Welllll.. that's easy enough to test, no?
Versions are different
I think there are six versions that one could order from ASUS:
Google Nexus 7 FHD LTE NA 2013 ME571KL 16GB (Asus Razor)
Google Nexus 7 FHD LTE EU 2013 ME571KL 32GB (Asus Razor)
Google Nexus 7 FHD LTE NA 2013 ME571KL 16GB (Asus Razor)
Google Nexus 7 FHD LTE EU 2013 ME571KL 32GB (Asus Razor)
Google Nexus 7 FHD 2013 ME571K 32GB (Asus Razor)
Google Nexus 7 FHD 2013 ME571K 16GB (Asus Razor)
So Memory 16/32
LTE 13+17 (US VZ-ATT) or 7/20 (EverUwhere else)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_7_(2013_version)#Model_variants
http://pdadb.net/ makes a abit of listing these things.
Ok, looks like it may be a software thing, though possibly it may have different antennae/circuits. You can forget looking for any official information, it was always confidential. But I doubt the Qualcomm engineers are idiots and allow anybody to change the radio frequencies The system will only accept a signed image, check some efuse or something like that. Theoretically, both radio images may have same signatures, that would be the first thing to check. That brings another bunch of questions:
How does actually the nexus7-2 boot process work?
I'm still a bloody fresh n7-II owner, is there anything known about it? I couldn't found so far anything useful (I guess it should be similar to Nexus4).
Would it hard-brick the device if you erase the radio partition / the boot-loader partition?
I know exactly how it worked in ADP1 - the answer was yes / no, but that's a long time ago.
The boot-loader image seems to have a linux kernel inside and interestingly enough, some driver is sending like a mad (after every suspend) the radio firmware over to the radio chip. Let's dig deeper ...
TheWerewolf said:
Point taken - sorry, but I've seen the frequency question come up so many times that I'm answering on reflex.
Apparently the WWAN chip is the Qualcomm WRT1605L which supports 7 LTE bands. It's capable of handling almost any kind of cell protocol and band - but they have to choose the seven LTE bands they'll support. I don't know (and can't find) and spec for the chip or the Gobi chipset (Snapdragon) that it's a part of. Typically, the OEM requests the chips with the bands they want selected - but looking though the OEMs for the chip, they don't seem to have a process to define it at purchase time. Mind you, this could simply mean they expect to walk the OEM through the process after purchase before delivery.
To the best of my knowledge, the Euro and NA models both use the same chip and there's no differentiation on the model number cited anywhere (but that could easily be because no one's opened both of them up and looked).
So - is it possible that you could reconfigure the WRT1605L to make it see a set of LTE bands you want? It's possible. Unfortunately, without specs or a tech document from Qualcomm, it'll be difficult to tell - and I don't think Google actually posts the source for the radio ROM code, so no way to just read the code and see if they have band switching code in there.
If you want to dig, though - here's a starting point:
https://developer.qualcomm.com/mobi...es/3g4g-connectivity-gobi/tools-and-resources
The WRT1605L is part of the Gobi platform AFAIK.
As for flashing the Euro radio ROM turning on those freqs on the NA model? Welllll.. that's easy enough to test, no?
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I don't think that Qualcomm will provide any answers for that.. but technically your theory seems possible..
Anyway, I'll wait for somebody else to try flash it for me
The LTE version is still new, I don't think that long time will past till someone will check it deeply
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The RF filters are probably what's different, meaning you wouldn't be able to tune in to unsupported frequencies even if the baseband allowed it.
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dudi.arviv said:
I don't think that Qualcomm will provide any answers for that.. but technically your theory seems possible..
Anyway, I'll wait for somebody else to try flash it for me
The LTE version is still new, I don't think that long time will past till someone will check it deeply
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Yeah, Qualcomm is very protective of their technotes and data sheets. Usually their resellers will hand them out - but even they don't make them available. BTW, Ironically - your Nexus 4 has the same chip in it.
mathieulh said:
The RF filters are probably what's different, meaning you wouldn't be able to tune in to unsupported frequencies even if the baseband allowed it.
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Very likely. I didn't see different RF filter chips mentioned in the stuff I was reading, but building a generic tunable filter over that wide a range would be difficult.
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PhoneGeek said:
I think there are six versions that one could order from ASUS:
Google Nexus 7 FHD LTE NA 2013 ME571KL 16GB (Asus Razor)
Google Nexus 7 FHD LTE EU 2013 ME571KL 32GB (Asus Razor)
Google Nexus 7 FHD LTE NA 2013 ME571KL 16GB (Asus Razor)
Google Nexus 7 FHD LTE EU 2013 ME571KL 32GB (Asus Razor)
Google Nexus 7 FHD 2013 ME571K 32GB (Asus Razor)
Google Nexus 7 FHD 2013 ME571K 16GB (Asus Razor)
So Memory 16/32
LTE 13+17 (US VZ-ATT) or 7/20 (EverUwhere else)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_7_(2013_version)#Model_variants
http://pdadb.net/ makes a abit of listing these things.
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Well two of those are the WiFi only models which may not even have the LTE chip in it (it's a relatively expensive chip, so it wouldn't surprise me that they don't populate the board for the non-LTE models).
The other four are most likely all the same LTE chipset with (as you note) different bands selected.
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Ok, looks like it may be a software thing, though possibly it may have different antennae/circuits. You can forget looking for any official information, it was always confidential. But I doubt the Qualcomm engineers are idiots and allow anybody to change the radio frequencies The system will only accept a signed image, check some efuse or something like that. Theoretically, both radio images may have same signatures, that would be the first thing to check. That brings another bunch of questions:
How does actually the nexus7-2 boot process work?
I'm still a bloody fresh n7-II owner, is there anything known about it? I couldn't found so far anything useful (I guess it should be similar to Nexus4).
Would it hard-brick the device if you erase the radio partition / the boot-loader partition?
I know exactly how it worked in ADP1 - the answer was yes / no, but that's a long time ago.
The boot-loader image seems to have a linux kernel inside and interestingly enough, some driver is sending like a mad (after every suspend) the radio firmware over to the radio chip. Let's dig deeper ...
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The Nexus devices are supposed to be completely resettable to factory state. I had assumed that included the radio partition... Same with the boot-loader? There isn't an inerasable diagnostic boot?
(I may be assuming too much here in that to me 'bricked' means 'dead and cannot be revived')
Bit more info. The QMI API documentation from Qualcomm in the DMS document includes a call to get a bit list of the LTE bands supported on the chip, but no way to set them. Also, there's a chip authentication/unlock that has to be done before most feature setting can be done. There is a service code feature that might let it happen.
So a vague 'no obvious way' result.
38 frequencies
7 frequencies may not cut it;
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...-must-be-addressed-135719748.html#prettyPhoto
Pity as I would buy a 7 2 4g from the US in the morning if I thought it could work in europe in the future.
o.maille said:
7 frequencies may not cut it;
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...-must-be-addressed-135719748.html#prettyPhoto
Pity as I would buy a 7 2 4g from the US in the morning if I thought it could work in europe in the future.
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For Europe you need bands 20 (800Mhz), 3 (1800Mhz), 7 (2600Mhz) and starting from 2016 the 700Mhz band that will be allocated to carriers (should be either band 17 or 28 )
If you want true worldwide LTE roaming you at least need bands 1, 3, 7 and 17. No commercialized LTE device officially supports all these frequencies at once. Though the closest thing would be the International Nexus 7 which supports all these bands except band 17, so it could roam anywhere except in the USA
The U.S. Nexus 7 would feature the best USA coverage to date as it supports band 17 along with AWS.
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Is it possible to tell apart a Nexus 7 LTE US unit and an EU unit?
As in, I'd like if there is any indication on tablet itself?
(either when it's powered on, by an info page or some sort; or off - a label, SKU number, or by serial number)?
Also, is there any indication on outside of the box, if the unit is sealed?
Thanks.
That's an interesting question...When you buy it through the play store...can you choose which version do you want? Because I am from Spain and I am sudying for a year in the USA and the model I would like to choose has to be able to work with european LTE bands...
Thank you!
LoRd_LyKoS said:
That's an interesting question...When you buy it through the play store...can you choose which version do you want? Because I am from Spain and I am sudying for a year in the USA and the model I would like to choose has to be able to work with european LTE bands...
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You can't choose when buying from the Play Store. If you buy it from the US Play Store, you will receive a US model; and if you buy it from the Spain Play Store, you will receive an EU version.
Needing to be able to tell them apart probably only matters if you're buying it used, or through a parallel importer if isn't officially offered for sale in your country yet.
drean said:
You can't choose when buying from the Play Store. If you buy it from the US Play Store, you will receive a US model; and if you buy it from the Spain Play Store, you will receive an EU version.
Needing to be able to tell them apart probably only matters if you're buying it used, or through a parallel importer if isn't officially offered for sale in your country yet.
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Ohh....****..and thank you...I will have some trouble in there...Is there any way t solve the LTE bands issue even though it is an American one?
LoRd_LyKoS said:
Ohh....****..and thank you...I will have some trouble in there...Is there any way t solve the LTE bands issue even though it is an American one?
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There is no 'issue'. There are 2 SKUs. If you buy from the US, you will receive a US version. If you want an EU version, you need to buy it from the EU (or actually, anywhere else in the world, except US and Japan).
Sorry.
By issue I meant that if it's a hardware or software thing...There's no way to change it?
I have read this thread a few times and still confused on it. Im not familair with the nexus 7 at all. But Im just wandering if I was to buy a NA 32gb LTE version Nexus 7. WIll it work in Europe area. Mainly Italy.
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I think I've convinced myself to get one of these, but am wondering if I am correct in my understanding that there are 2 versions coming: One with LTE and one without.
If that is correct, will the LTE version still do everything radiowise (GSM/HSPA+ etc) and just also add LTE capabilities to the mix?
Finally, I am working in Sweden at the moment, I assume the LTE version will work with Telia's network (in LTE mode)?
kentmartin said:
I think I've convinced myself to get one of these, but am wondering if I am correct in my understanding that there are 2 versions coming: One with LTE and one without.
If that is correct, will the LTE version still do everything radiowise (GSM/HSPA+ etc) and just also add LTE capabilities to the mix?
Finally, I am working in Sweden at the moment, I assume the LTE version will work with Telia's network (in LTE mode)?
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This is what me and a lot of other people are wondering about. The marketing rep for Samsung said in a video that it will have HSPA+ AND LTE but does that mean two different models? Or that the capabilities of both are stock? The spec sheets don't say anything about LTE on any of the pre-order sites I've found but the samsung page says that it is an LTE device. I'm completely confused. I wanna buy the unlocked unbranded version but not if it doesn't include LTE...
I saw from somewhere that the Korean version will have LTE support. No information about NFC.
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Yeah we get LTE + NFC for korean market but it sucks when you leave the country and realize it's not gonna work
jamesyb0i said:
Yeah we get LTE + NFC for korean market but it sucks when you leave the country and realize it's not gonna work
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James,
Why does it not work when you leave the country?
Also, do you know if the LTE+NFC version does everything the non-LTE version does (eg HSPA+)?
I'm thinking of just ordering one in from S Korea if it does....
I too want to know: HSPA+ AND LTE or is it one or the other but not both?
Thanks,
Any further update on LTE now that there has actually been some delivery ?
Is there a S Korean ship date for the LTE version?
Yes, very good question! I have been following this release closely the last couple of days, but no words on this issue!
It's really strange, as this is the one real deal breaker for me. No way I am going to buy this device without LTE.
But don't you guys think that they are releasing this in the beginning of next year when first movers have bought this and the fuzz about the product stops? I guess so, unfortunately. It's basically the same story with Galaxy S II / LTE version.
Hello,
I am very proud to be a part of the community now.
I bought few days ago an unblocked Samsung galaxy S5 SM-G900V in Best Buy Store.
Today and for some times I will be in France, using my phone with local service proivder. Unfortunately, this model cannot connect to the 4G / LTE network in France.
Local bandwith :
- 1600 mHz
- 2600 mHz
Samsung told me that the device can only connect to the following networks :
- 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 mHz
Indeed I would like to know if it is the components posing problems or just the configuration made by Samsung / Verizon to block the connection in foreign countries like France. If it is the case I can flash my device and modify the bandwith accordingly to French one ?
Also I understood that Verizon device is not allowing root modification, is still the case ?
The seller from best buy ensured me that the phone was going to work in France but this is not true...
Many thanks for your help and support...
turz13 said:
1. Indeed I would like to know if it is the components posing problems or just the configuration made by Samsung / Verizon to block the connection in foreign countries like France. If it is the case I can flash my device and modify the bandwith accordingly to French one ?
2. Also I understood that Verizon device is not allowing root modification, is still the case ?
3. The seller from best buy ensured me that the phone was going to work in France but this is not true...
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1. It is a hardware issue, not software, so you will not be able to change it.
2. Correct, the Verizon model(and AT&T) is still not able to be rooted.
3. It will work in France, it just won't connect at the fastest speed. Myself and others have used the phone in foreign countries with success, so it is definitely doable.
(If) the SM-G900V is the dev edition. Yes you can root it.
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Versatile1 said:
The SM-G900V is the dev edition. Yes you can root it.
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Correct, but it doesn't have the hardware required.
chamberc said:
Correct, but it doesn't have the hardware required.
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Right, but 3G and changing APN etc. should work. I was answering the confusion he had on root.
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Versatile1 said:
The SM-G900V is the dev edition. Yes you can root it.
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you sure about that? I have a SM-G900V and its not a dev edition phone..... and if for some reason it is i purchqsed as a regular device lol
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Thanks, I can be stupid sometimes. ... edited lol
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jcollier said:
1. It is a hardware issue, not software, so you will not be able to change it.
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If you can quote a source for that, please do so so that we can elucidate more details. Personally, I doubt that it is a hardware limitation. In the past there were hardware differences with different chips needed to support various transceiver bands. But semiconductor manufacturers have been leveraging advances in lithography and economies of scale for some time to move toward single chip solutions.
When XDA members asked these same questions about the S3, lots of people proffered the standard answer saying that it was a hardware issue. And that it would be impossible to modify the firmware to use a Bell or ATT phone on TMobile's AWS band. This was proven to be wrong (1, 2), the limitation was only in the firmware. The S3, S4 and N3 firmware have since been successfully modified to operate variant handsets on the TMobile and Wind bands.
The S5 has been reported to use the Qualcomm WTR1625L RF transceiver. This is said to be the first IC that can operate on all LTE bands and looking at the datasheet for the chipset suggests that this is true. In fact Qualcomm promotes the transceiver this way -
Qualcomm said:
the WTR1625L performs carrier aggregation by "accommodat[ing] all cellular modes and 2G, 3G, and 4G/LTE frequency bands and band combinations that are either deployed or in commercial planning globally."
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There may still be cost saving or protectionist measures in supporting hardware choices that limit us but given the available evidence and in particular the specific RF chip being used in the S5.. it would be fair to say that regional LTE limitations are much more likely to be firmware than hardware issues.
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fffft said:
If you can quote a source for that, please do so so that we can elucidate more details. Personally, I doubt that it is a hardware limitation. In the past there were hardware differences with different chips needed to support various transceiver bands. But semiconductor manufacturers have been leveraging advances in lithography and economies of scale for some time to move toward single chip solutions.
When XDA members asked these same questions about the S3, lots of people proffered the standard answer saying that it was a hardware issue. And that it would be impossible to modify the firmware to use a Bell or ATT phone on TMobile's AWS band. This was proven to be wrong (1, 2), the limitation was only in the firmware. The S3, S4 and N3 firmware have since been successfully modified to operate variant handsets on the TMobile and Wind bands.
The S5 has been reported to use the Qualcomm WTR1625L RF transceiver. This is said to be the first IC that can operate on all LTE bands and looking at the datasheet for the chipset suggests that this is true. In fact Qualcomm promotes the transceiver this way -
There may still be cost saving or protectionist measures in supporting hardware choices that limit us but given the available evidence and in particular the specific RF chip being used in the S5.. it would be fair to say that regional LTE limitations are much more likely to be firmware than hardware issues.
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Hi,
I have Samsung galaxy S5 SM-G900V for vreizon ,
Today and for some times I will be in ASIA,
Local bandwith : 2100 mHz
this model cannot connect to the 4G / LTE network in Asia.
But i have iphone 5s Verizon , at Asia local can connect 4G / LTE
I don't know , why galaxy S5 SM-G900V Can't connect 4G / LTE for Asia
I have root my galaxy S5 SM-G900V,
But i don't know how can do it ....
Many thanks for your help and support...
terry3610 said:
I don't know , why galaxy S5 SM-G900V Can't connect 4G / LTE for Asia
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That seems off topic to this thread, so you should start a new one if you have remaining questions.
You didn't give full details or even name the Asian carrier.. but this is probably the case -
Some iPhone 5s variants support both HSPA+ 2100 and FDD-LTE 2100. The TMobile S5 does as well. But the Verizon S5 only supports HSPA+ 2100, not FDD-LTE 2100. The hardware is almost certainly capable of doing so, but Verizon decided to restrict that band on their S5. Presumably to deter carrier churn. It looks like Verizon only enabled LTE on 700 /1700 for the 900V.
Blame Verizon. AFAIK you won't be able to use the Verizon S5 on that band unless someone modifies the firmware.
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So I live Tokyo Japan. I would easily buy the Japanese version, but the the price is rape city at ¥74,000. Does anyone know if the North American version will work in Japan? The NA version even at proper dollar conversion is at only ¥59,000 yen.
Anyone?
Yes and no. It lacks most of the LTE bands used so you may not get LTE in Japan. But you might, and sometimes people figure out how to enable extra bands so there's that. If I were you though I wouldn't count on it working on LTE, but that's just me.
What carrier do you have, I could tell you a bit more if you tell me.
Edit: never mind see you have DoCoMo. Like I said in the other thread, you only would get band 3, not sure if they have band 3 in Tokyo.
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_Dennis_ said:
Yes and no. It lacks most of the LTE bands used so you may not get LTE in Japan. But you might, and sometimes people figure out how to enable extra bands so there's that. If I were you though I wouldn't count on it working on LTE, but that's just me.
What carrier do you have, I could tell you a bit more if you tell me.
Edit: never mind see you have DoCoMo. Like I said in the other thread, you only would get band 3, not sure if they have band 3 in Tokyo.
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I see ou can help about it
I have ordered the US version (as I have a friend in us right now) and I live in Israel
I had no idea there are us version and global version
Will US version work in Israel? how can I check it, I tried to see in willmyphonework.net but I cant find Nexus 6p there
as per wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks) Israel uses band 3for LTE.
as per google (https://store.google.com/product/nexus_6p)
The american version has band 3, so it should work.
In Nexus 5 there is a possibility to activate EU bands on US version. Can we expect it would be possible on 6P too?
I'd like to know this too. If its possible to activate band 28 on the US version for use in Australia by flashing a different radio (Are all the required amps and antenna things there)
I need band 3, 7 & 28 for LTE
Might not be possible , could be a different version of the radio chip that they use for the other version. would be nice if its as easy as just flashing radios but tend to think it will be more hardware
I was hoping this was possible as well! If it was and one wanted to flash a different radio do you need to unlock the bootloader to do this?
Thanks,
M
mark.m.moran said:
I was hoping this was possible as well! If it was and one wanted to flash a different radio do you need to unlock the bootloader to do this?
Thanks,
M
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Yes you need a bootloader unlock to flash radios
The development on 6P already started, any updates about that topic?
reas0n said:
The development on 6P already started, any updates about that topic?
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most of us are still getting our phones..give it a couple weeks
1) Anyone know if the radio-angler-angler-02.15.img contains ALL radios?
2) If I travel from US to Italy/Germany/Japan will flashing that Image get it done or will I need to do something else?
The US version of the Nexus will work in those countries except Japan without any extra work.
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Am I right in thinking that if a specific band (i.e. 20, which isn't on the US version) isn't present the phone will simply use another band? Granted, this might not be LTE but still decent speeds.
jimbogreen said:
Am I right in thinking that if a specific band (i.e. 20, which isn't on the US version) isn't present the phone will simply use another band? Granted, this might not be LTE but still decent speeds.
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Guys, any update? I'm still stuck in my damn country with only way to buy the 6P in EU for horrible price...
reas0n said:
Guys, any update? I'm still stuck in my damn country with only way to buy the 6P in EU for horrible price...
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Just check what radio frequency uses your carrier and check if it is available in the US model.
But if you buy it in the US, the price plus tax, plus shipping, plus tax in Europe, not worth it. Almost about the same price. Unless you have someone to bring it to you and you dont have to pay shipping nor europe tax.
So I've been looking through the V10 Android Development threads and wondering what it's been like on XDA with the V10 in terms of Dev support/ROMs/ etc. I've asked over there for feedback. Doesn't look like there's been much interest in the V10 phone from Devs? Is there a reason why? Locked bootloader? No "sources" released? Is there a CM ROM available anywhere?
Reason I ask is because I'm seriously considering getting a V20 which looks like a great phone and I've always had Nexus phones in the past. Currently rocking a Nexus 5 which I still love. The V20 looks to me almost like a larger more modern and advanced Nexus 5 (both made by LG). The G5 I saw in a phone shop and it really didn't appeal to me (build quality seemed poor). What's the likelihood the V20 will get decent Dev support? Is there anything that will make it more likely?
What specifically was wrong with the G5 build? My wife has the phone and we both think its pretty nice. At least as good as the Galaxy it replaced and probably a bit nicer.
I'm also interested in your original question. How much support will this phone get and will the boat loader enforce secure boot?
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v10 was abandoned in short order after the bootlooping SNAFU.
This phone is starting life too expensive, unique snowflake hardware SKUs for every US carrier, And more than likely a locked bootloader (hopefully it can be unlocked). All those combined are a development death sentence. Assume no development, and be happy if there is any. Combined they make people who can develop firmware not even want to bother.
Remember the v20 has been on sale in Korea for a month now. How many buyers/users even post on XDA about it? Basically none AFAIK. There should already be a development charge, and maybe a root worked out or at least actively being tested. And there isn't any, not that has been made public.
lol dude we get it. every post of yours is the phone is too expensive and there's carrier versions of it... like every. other. phone. if you're so upset by price and carrier versions, why are you looming around these forums? go buy a 300 dollar phone and stop trying to sell everyone else on your opinion.
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v10 was abandoned in short order after the bootlooping SNAFU.
This phone is starting life too expensive, unique snowflake hardware SKUs for every US carrier, And more than likely a locked bootloader (hopefully it can be unlocked). All those combined are a development death sentence. Assume no development, and be happy if there is any. Combined they make people who can develop firmware not even want to bother.
Remember the v20 has been on sale in Korea for a month now. How many buyers/users even post on XDA about it? Basically none AFAIK. There should already be a development charge, and maybe a root worked out or at least actively being tested. And there isn't any, not that has been made public.
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Considering there is an unlocked US model that seems will work for all carriers, I would think that would be the one that gets development and is quite conducive to it.
No development is getting slowed down because a phone is $800. That's the new norm if you want this high quality of a phone. Pixel will get tons of development, Note 7 was actually going really well despite the $864 price, and many others will too. The fact that it's LG and people overlook the brand continually will be the primary reason for lack of development, if that's the case.
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Considering there is an unlocked US model that seems will work for all carriers, I would think that would be the one that gets development and is quite conducive to it.
No development is getting slowed down because a phone is $800. That's the new norm if you want this high quality of a phone. Pixel will get tons of development, Note 7 was actually going really well despite the $864 price, and many others will too. The fact that it's LG and people overlook the brand continually will be the primary reason for lack of development, if that's the case.
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Say what?
The unlocked version WILL NOT WORK on Sprint at all (the model # and IMEI range will be completely wrong to pass their whitelist)...and unless you have an already active SIM, your new VZW SIM will not activate as the model number is wrong and your account will show "unauthorised device". This of course sets aside the problems of radio bands that are missing or wrong for your specific carrier. So at best you'll have poor service if any depending on where you are and the tower deployments in the areas you travel. Also we don't know how updates will be handled on the unlocked device--take for example recent Nexus devices that got carrier fed updates rather than direct from Google (although that at least was an option if you ADB'd factory images) Every carrier is a unique SKU with unique firmware. You may never get updates even from LG (it is a serious possibility and risk).
I hope you have lots of cash hoarded when your $800 gamble, that it will work on all carriers, screws you over
The ZTE Axon 7 could be a much better device with much more development potential that is 50% the frickin price. "$800 the new normal" indeed. Buy an iPhone 7 for less cash, not an iPhone wannabe with less long-range OS support and let's be honest worse standby battery life. Because yea let's be honest, in 12-18 months LG will quit updating the device while in 3 years the iPhone7 will probably still be getting OS updates.
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lol dude we get it. every post of yours is the phone is too expensive and there's carrier versions of it... like every. other. phone. if you're so upset by price and carrier versions, why are you looming around these forums? go buy a 300 dollar phone and stop trying to sell everyone else on your opinion.
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Because folks ask questions...and get tremendously wrong answers. Like "the unlocked version that will work on all carriers". Echo chambers benefit no one. Until you see and know what having a unified hardware platform (like Nexus) does to accelerate development you don't get how screwed over you are by unique snowflake SKUs.
I too was excited for the v20, but LG fumbled the ball. in 3 months when the price comes down from the early-adopter surcharge (hopefully) I'll think about getting one. Depending on what I see.
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Say what?
The unlocked version WILL NOT WORK on Sprint at all (the model # and IMEI range will be completely wrong to pass their whitelist)...and unless you have an already active SIM, your new VZW SIM will not activate as the model number is wrong and your account will show "unauthorised device". This of course sets aside the problems of radio bands that are missing or wrong for your specific carrier. So at best you'll have poor service if any depending on where you are and the tower deployments in the areas you travel. Also we don't know how updates will be handled on the unlocked device--take for example recent Nexus devices that got carrier fed updates rather than direct from Google (although that at least was an option if you ADB'd factory images) Every carrier is a unique SKU with unique firmware. You may never get updates even from LG (it is a serious possibility and risk).
I hope you have lots of cash hoarded when your $800 gamble, that it will work on all carriers, screws you over
The ZTE Axon 7 could be a much better device with much more development potential that is 50% the frickin price. "$800 the new normal" indeed. Buy an iPhone 7 for less cash, not an iPhone wannabe with less long-range OS support and let's be honest worse standby battery life. Because yea let's be honest, in 12-18 months LG will quit updating the device while in 3 years the iPhone7 will probably still be getting OS updates.
Because folks ask questions...and get tremendously wrong answers. Like "the unlocked version that will work on all carriers". Echo chambers benefit no one.
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Um, the unlocked version has all the Verizon bands and is completely compatible with all carriers from everything I have read.
The iPhone 7 is not a valid comparison at all. Different type of phone. iPhone 7+ model with more than 32GB of storage... That'll set you back over $800, like these other phones.
You're clearly an Apple lover so I'm not going to bother continuing to argue. LG V20 >>>>>> iPhone 7 that it's absurd to even compare, for me. I'd be really unhappy with that iPhone because it still lacks most qualities I desire in a phone. To each their own.
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Um, the unlocked version has all the Verizon bands and is completely compatible with all carriers from everything I have read.
The iPhone 7 is not a valid comparison at all. Different type of phone. iPhone 7+ model with more than 32GB of storage... That'll set you back over $800, like these other phones.
You're clearly an Apple lover so I'm not going to bother continuing to argue. LG V20 >>>>>> iPhone 7 that it's absurd to even compare, for me. I'd be really unhappy with that iPhone because it still lacks most qualities I desire in a phone. To each their own.
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Then you clearly need to read more, not repeat flat out wrong info. The unlocked version is missing IIRC 1 Verizon CDMA 3G band (of 3), it is missing IIRC at least 1 WCDMA bands (out of 2 or 3), and it is missing IIRC 2+ LTE bands (Of 6 or 7 OTTOMH). The FCC filings showing that are available online. The same way that the unlocked version is similarly missing Spring CDMA/WCDMA/LTE bands. The radio support IS NOT THE SAME between VS995 and US996 and S997. It is NOT "completely compatible"-it is only sort of compatible....presuming it gets past carrier whitelisting of the IMEI and model number which on Sprint it 100% WILL NOT DO, and on Verizon it probably will presuming you already have a working SIM....then you have other problems to worry about (radio band support and updates).
See:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFVS995
I'm not an Apple lover at all. I'm fed up with Android OEM shortsighted foolishness.
The unlocked version also doesn't have AT&T's bands 29 & 30 and T-Mobile's Band 66. Personally, I plan to get the AT&T V20. I don't mind the (expected) lack of updates so much as long the current version doesn't have glaring bugs. For AT&T you also need a branded device for VoLTE.
I currently have the Nexus 5 and Google left it with major bugs for a few months (one of them was broken car Bluetooth). So my experience with Google wasn't that great. The Pixel devices look like bad iPhone and Galaxy copies.
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Then you clearly need to read more, not repeat flat out wrong info. The unlocked version is missing IIRC 1 Verizon CDMA 3G band (of 3), it is missing IIRC at least 1 WCDMA bands (out of 2 or 3), and it is missing IIRC 2+ LTE bands (Of 6 or 7 OTTOMH). The FCC filings showing that are available online. The same way that the unlocked version is similarly missing Spring CDMA/WCDMA/LTE bands. The radio support IS NOT THE SAME between VS995 and US996 and S997. It is NOT "completely compatible"-it is only sort of compatible....presuming it gets past carrier whitelisting of the IMEI and model number which on Sprint it 100% WILL NOT DO, and on Verizon it probably will presuming you already have a working SIM....then you have other problems to worry about (radio band support and updates).
See:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFVS995
I'm not an Apple lover at all. I'm fed up with Android OEM shortsighted foolishness.
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Interesting. I'll look into it more.
I honestly don't care about development anyway - I left my Note 5 alone and loved it. I'm planning to do the same with the V20, but I do hope there is some development eventually just for fun.
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Interesting. I'll look into it more.
I honestly don't care about development anyway - I left my Note 5 alone and loved it. I'm planning to do the same with the V20, but I do hope there is some development eventually just for fun.
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The development is what I find cool. It is why I keep ending up being a tester for ROM teams (did it on Note 2, and still on Nexus 6)....but Android generally is getting really f'ing annoying on some of this crap. SafetyNet for example isn't just a framework for AndroidPay and stopping you from using your phone from paying for a burger due to Xposed, corporate email servers are now using it....so if you modify your firmware in any unauthorised way your employer may well not let your phone talk to your work email servers anymore (one of mi amigos on Team Twisted has this problem-nothing we can do). Google seems to be wanting to go iron-fisted in security and sacrificing FOSS development for "security".
There was a post on r/Android tonight outlining some of the more obscure technical problems, and outright annoyances for developers as well in the current Android landscape generally: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/56qr4z/why_i_am_giving_up_on_android/
FWIW....he mentions specifically kernel 3.18; that kernel is not only used by the upcoming Pixel but according to the posted v20 system dump, a few subforums down, is the kernel v20 is going to ship with as well. When that OP is speaking about shipping a brand new device in Q4 2016 with a 2-year-old+ kernel ceasing upstream patching in 2-3 months as being insanity.....he's not just talking Pixel, he's also talking v20.
I wouldn't borderline rant on it unless the device had a ton of potential...which v20 especially does, and seeing LG squander it with shortsighted planned obsolescence is frustrating.
Personally I am okay with not too many roms. All I need is root for Viper and a few other apps.
I really think that I'll get this phone to replace my G4. I had to come to terms that the bootloader will never be unlocked on all models except T-Mobile and certain international models. I've also accepted that there will be absolutely zero dev support.
Don't fault me for being pessimistic. Being optimistic with the possibility of Dev support and observing how the G4, G5 and V10 turned out is plain foolish.
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Then you clearly need to read more, not repeat flat out wrong info. The unlocked version is missing IIRC 1 Verizon CDMA 3G band (of 3), it is missing IIRC at least 1 WCDMA bands (out of 2 or 3), and it is missing IIRC 2+ LTE bands (Of 6 or 7 OTTOMH). The FCC filings showing that are available online. The same way that the unlocked version is similarly missing Spring CDMA/WCDMA/LTE bands. The radio support IS NOT THE SAME between VS995 and US996 and S997. It is NOT "completely compatible"-it is only sort of compatible....presuming it gets past carrier whitelisting of the IMEI and model number which on Sprint it 100% WILL NOT DO, and on Verizon it probably will presuming you already have a working SIM....then you have other problems to worry about (radio band support and updates).
See:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFVS995
I'm not an Apple lover at all. I'm fed up with Android OEM shortsighted foolishness.
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Hmm here is a comparison of frequencies between the VS995 and the US996. Seems the US996 covers all the frequencies of the VS995 and some:
This is according to frequencycheck.com.
Frequency Band LG VS995 V20 XLTE LG US996 V20 LTE-A
GSM 850 Yes Yes
GSM 900 (E-GSM) Yes Yes
GSM 1800 (DCS) Yes Yes
GSM 1900 (PCS) Yes Yes
UMTS B1 (2100) Yes Yes
UMTS B2 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
UMTS B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1) No Yes
UMTS B5 (850) Yes Yes
UMTS B8 (900 GSM) Yes Yes
LTE B2 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
LTE B3 (1800 +) Yes Yes
LTE B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1) Yes Yes
LTE B5 (850) Yes Yes
LTE B7 (2600) Yes Yes
LTE B12 (700 ac) No Yes
LTE B13 (700 c) Yes Yes
LTE B17 (700 bc) No Yes
LTE B20 (800 DD) Yes Yes
LTE B25 (1900 +) No Yes
CDMA BC0 (800) Yes Yes
CDMA BC1 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
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Hmm here is a comparison of frequencies between the VS995 and the US996. Seems the US996 covers all the frequencies of the VS995 and some:
This is according to frequencycheck.com.
Frequency Band LG VS995 V20 XLTE LG US996 V20 LTE-A
GSM 850 Yes Yes
GSM 900 (E-GSM) Yes Yes
GSM 1800 (DCS) Yes Yes
GSM 1900 (PCS) Yes Yes
UMTS B1 (2100) Yes Yes
UMTS B2 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
UMTS B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1) No Yes
UMTS B5 (850) Yes Yes
UMTS B8 (900 GSM) Yes Yes
LTE B2 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
LTE B3 (1800 +) Yes Yes
LTE B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1) Yes Yes
LTE B5 (850) Yes Yes
LTE B7 (2600) Yes Yes
LTE B12 (700 ac) No Yes
LTE B13 (700 c) Yes Yes
LTE B17 (700 bc) No Yes
LTE B20 (800 DD) Yes Yes
LTE B25 (1900 +) No Yes
CDMA BC0 (800) Yes Yes
CDMA BC1 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
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Their listing for the VS995 is incorrect/incomplete compared to what the LG Electronics sent to the FCC and has on file. Read and compare, some of their entries are wrong (VS995 does indeed have Band 25), some like Band 66 are left out or missing (VS995 has that too). WCDMA is either seemingly absent although maybe they call that "UTMS". CDMA support is also flawed (should be 850/1900 for VS995 not 800/1900). I don't have easy to call up numbers for US996 ATM, but one way or another-their band support table is incorrect.
https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3102983
https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3102984
The phones are not radio band identical.
Yes the US996 is compatible with Verizon. I will have it on their network within 30 minutes of unpacking it from the box.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFUS996
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Yes the US996 is compatible with Verizon. I will have it on their network within 30 minuets of unpacking it from the box.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFUS996
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Please report back once you have it working. I'm very interested in doing this too. I'd love to not get stuck with the bloat.
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There is ZERO chance of it ever happening.. Avoid LG like a plague..
thanks for your expert opinion. nobody will take it seriously, but thanks!
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There is ZERO chance of it ever happening.. Avoid LG like a plague..
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Actually, devs that tried supporting Note 7 are now interested in developing for the V20 from the online polls since the note 7 has been officially canceled