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Contract? Seriously?

So I picked up a new Galaxy Tab from someone on Craigs last night. Love the device. The problem is, it's from Sprint. I wanted Sprint because they had good coverage where I needed it. Today, I found out that there's no way to get data on it without signing a 2-year contract. Seriously? You can get an iPad without signing a contract and T-mobile and Verizon have post-paid options, but not Sprint?
What is my incentive to sign a 2-year contract for a device that was never subsidized? I talked to a rep in the store as well as on the phone and there's apparently no compromise here. I guess I should have done more research before I bought the Sprint version. Now I have to sell it and try to get a T-mobile Tab.
I just can't believe that Sprint is this lame. I could understand something like this from Verizon or AT&T, but not Sprint.

I was about to say get a gsm one - i just use a pay as you go sim in the tab and swap it with the contract one with data when i want to use the tab for 3g
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That sucks, I just bought T-Mob GT from CL for $280 a couple of days ago. And I am digging it. I just went to T-mobile they gave me a new sim for $10.00 and paid $10.00 for 100mb to get it started and Im on a pay as you go plan. No questions asked.

What's weird to me is Sprint doesn't want your money. I bought my sprint gtab at best buy and I'm currently on a pay per month plan that I signed up for when I bought it - 2 gig limit. I can cancel it anytime and there's no 2 year contract. Maybe it was a promotional contract or something i dont know. It's weird that if I sold it they wouldn't let the owner fire up the same plan.
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You can activate with a contract
If you paid for price for the device and its not logged in their system as being sold with a contract, you can activate it month to month it just takes some talking. I received my tab as a gift and it was bought at full price at Best Buy. I had to talk to 3 sets of higher up reps, but finally someone was able to active it on the month to month plan. Just be persistent.

That's why, despite all it's shortcomings, I bought the verizon version. AT&T blows in general and I will be damned if I'm signing a contract for a freaking tablet so Verizon it was. I'll go without before I sign a contract for any kind of phone, tablet, laptop or anything else ever again.

Can't you use Boost Mobile pay as you go?

rangercaptain said:
Can't you use Boost Mobile pay as you go?
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How would I connect to Boost Mobile? Does it operate on the same frequencies as Sprint?

wolfson292 said:
If you paid for price for the device and its not logged in their system as being sold with a contract, you can activate it month to month it just takes some talking. I received my tab as a gift and it was bought at full price at Best Buy. I had to talk to 3 sets of higher up reps, but finally someone was able to active it on the month to month plan. Just be persistent.
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Did you already have Sprint service? I talked to two different reps today. They are claiming that I have to activate a line of service, which initiates the contract. I currently have a contract with AT&T, so that's not going to happen.
Still, I think it's ridiculous that it's this hard with Sprint, considering that I can buy a T-mobile Tab and just pop in a sim card and go with no issues. I've been shopping around for a T-mobile Tab, but I haven't found anything in the same price range so far. For me, the Tab is kind of crippled without always on data.

**Update**
I called again tonight and talked to a very sweet girl. She apparently talked to the right supervisor this time and they let me go month-to-month. Thanks for the suggestion, wolf. Looks like I'm good to go. Now I'll just have to go through this again if I ever cancel service and want to reactivate it.
So they do support month-to-month for tablets. You just have to talk to someone who knows that.

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How would I connect to Boost Mobile? Does it operate on the same frequencies as Sprint?
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Its the same company.

Planning to leave Verizon (and Incredible)...

After 7+ years as a loyal Verizon customer, and 2+ years as a fanatical Incredible user, I'm leaning strongly towards leaving it all behind. The straw was the recent change to mandatory Shared Data plans. I just can't justify spending $30+ more per month when I upgrade for essentially the same service I am getting now. I understand why Verizon needed to make a change...but it's just too much for me.
I've been eyeing the GNex for a while, and with the continued disappointing turnout of HTC on Verizon (Inc 4G...really? Small screen, no ImageSense), I am planning to get the $350 unlocked, GNex direct from Google and then sign up with a month-to-month plan with a GSM provider.
Sad to see it all go, but also excited with the new possibilities.
If anyone else is mulling this conundrum, I found this thread to be very helpful...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1455014

I'm not happy with that either but to my understanding the shared data is an option not a requirement. I believe the tiered plan will still be an option.
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tiny4579 said:
I'm not happy with that either but to my understanding the shared data is an option not a requirement. I believe the tiered plan will still be an option.
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Im up for my upgrade so i went on the vzw site logged in, went to upgrade device, picked a phone and went to the plan portion and there is only the one, 40 per phone 50 for 1gb shared data. No option to keep my current plan unless i buy the phone for retail with no contract. I am just going to save up my cash and when the inc dies, buy a phone retail or off amazon or ebay or something. That way i keep my 60 dollar a month bill with the unlimited data plan forever. I dont do a lot of talking or texting so the whole unlimited deal dosent really seem like a deal to me. And 50 for 1gb, thats just outrageous.

I know losing unlimited sucks, but I voluntarily gave it up. The shared plan gives me unlimited talk time, and 4gb a month between my girlfriend and I. We only averaged around 1.5-1.75gb per month each anyways and now that I figured out my employers network password I'm on their wifi at work lol. Saving $40 a month and gaining unlimited talk time was well worth it for me.
That said, I'm still considering leaving Verizon. Their service has been exceptionally poor in my area lately. My friend at work is on sprint and using speedtest his 3g speeds are consistently much greater than mine. But I don't know if I want to keep my Inc until January 2013.
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Well I'll be with big red until they actually take away my unlimited, and willing to buy phones retail value if need be. I can't give up my free wifi via phone through internal modem. I use my phone (gnex) as a hotspot for everything and would be lost without it....lol. Monthly is 72.67 every month. If that changes I change. Tc
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I know them feels bro.
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I plan on doing the same thing when the new iPhone (yes, sorry) comes out in Sept/Oct. I've been a Verizon Wireless customer since I was 16, and would end up paying about $20 more a month on their new plan as well. Verizon has good coverage where I am, so I'll either buy it unsubsidized and keep my unlimited data, or switch to a GSM month to month provider.

tmoney468 said:
I plan on doing the same thing when the new iPhone (yes, sorry) comes out in Sept/Oct. I've been a Verizon Wireless customer since I was 16, and would end up paying about $20 more a month on their new plan as well. Verizon has good coverage where I am, so I'll either buy it unsubsidized and keep my unlimited data, or switch to a GSM month to month provider.
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blasphemy i tell you, BLASPHEMY

The Shared Data plans work great if you have someone to share it with. Engadget, Android Central, et al have done the analysis and these are good deals for groups of 3 or 4 people who use less than 4GB together...for individuals like me it's a really bad deal. I would basically pay $30-40 more for a capped data plan.
I've thought about getting a retail price phone...you can get an Inc 2 on ebay now for $250-350. But then I wonder, why settle for an old phone, when, for the same price, I can get a brand new, unlocked GNex and be free of all this. Coverage is a concern. Support is a concern. Verizon has been fantastic for me on both. But I live in DC and friends with AT&T and T-Mobile are happy with their coverage.
Still haven't decided...but I appreciate everyone's thoughts and feedback. The Incredible dev community has been just that....another reason I'm looking at the GNex...gotta follow the devs.

Yeah dude I'm considering a nexus for my daily driver. I'm already on tmobile and pay $15-30 a month. They have a $30/month prepaid plan, 100 voice minutes, unlimited texts, and unlimited data (first 4 or 5gbs at hpsa+ speeds). Beats any Verizon plan for a single user. Only thing is you have to have T-Mobile coverage in your area. I get better coverage on T-Mobile than Verizon in some places where I live
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Big Red's BS is the reason I left and went PP years ago.
It has worked out very well.
http://www.pagepluscellular.com/

I was not lucky enough to upgrade before 6/28 and now im stuck on this angry little boat. I swear to god I'll be the last mofo on 3g. I'm the only one on my plan. Data tiers are complete bull****. A complete rip off the consumer.
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My wife just left sprint because of crappy service and support, and went to straight talk. $43 a month with tax, unlimited talk text and data, and here service is excelent. It even comes in at the beach where vzw has no service. But straight talks best android phone is still junk. If i could get my inc or another newer better android phone flashed to straight talk, i would leave big red in a heartbeat.

Woh im only use Rp 45.000 or 5$ per month for my Dinc for unlimited data plan. it's cheap and enough for social media and download apps..

cmlusco said:
My wife just left sprint because of crappy service and support, and went to straight talk. $43 a month with tax, unlimited talk text and data, and here service is excelent. It even comes in at the beach where vzw has no service. But straight talks best android phone is still junk. If i could get my inc or another newer better android phone flashed to straight talk, i would leave big red in a heartbeat.
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I tried straight talk and was not happy you could not bring your own device and that the data was throttled back,
With page plus its the same network , you can bring your own device and the data is throttled back.
I have had good coverage when I travel.

Just ran the numbers for all the lines on our plan and it is better for us to stay with what we have now. If we do upgrade we will go retail or upgrade and opt for the 2GB non-shared data at 29.99 It will keep our price the exact same and the lines that have unlimited can keep it. It also makes it 10 dollars cheaper for us to do 3 lines with 2GB data than shared 6GB data. I totally get the new plans and such, but it suck to only be one phone on the plan.
If we didn't live in the middle of nowhere we might change, but VZW offers the best service for us.

SFxBA said:
Just ran the numbers for all the lines on our plan and it is better for us to stay with what we have now. If we do upgrade we will go retail or upgrade and opt for the 2GB non-shared data at 29.99 It will keep our price the exact same and the lines that have unlimited can keep it. It also makes it 10 dollars cheaper for us to do 3 lines with 2GB data than shared 6GB data. I totally get the new plans and such, but it suck to only be one phone on the plan.
If we didn't live in the middle of nowhere we might change, but VZW offers the best service for us.
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So you can get a non shared data plan? When i went on the vzw site to do an upgrade, it only gave me the shared data option starting at $50 for a gb.

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So you can get a non shared data plan? When i went on the vzw site to do an upgrade, it only gave me the shared data option starting at $50 for a gb.
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Have you tried calling VZW customer service? I went into my local store last week and asked the gal at the counter what I needed to do for my stbxw will be getting off my account and getting her own account. She said in my case that she made a note in the computer allowing her to take her phone/phone number off my account. But once she did that, then I needed to call customer service for them to change my family share plan to something else, because they no longer sell a unlimited data plan so customer service would have to make my account a single tiered account so I don't get cornered into a share everything plan and lose my unlimited.

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So you can get a non shared data plan? When i went on the vzw site to do an upgrade, it only gave me the shared data option starting at $50 for a gb.
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That is my understanding from the rep I spoke with on the phone on Thursday. I was told the 2GB plan would still be around for any line I would want to put it on. I think it would for sure be something you would need to call in about b/c I don't see it listed under online options.

i had the incredible, went through a bunch of phones, lost some money, but ended up on a nexus with unlimited data. now that i only have ~9 months left on contract, im thinking of going to tmobiles $70 a month unlimited everything. its more then i get now, for a lot less. if you guys are in the market for used phones, try swappa.com. really good site. ive used them several times. nexuses can be had for $360

Galaxy Nexus at Bestbuy $99.00

Not sure if this is a deal or not but I purchased a Nexus at Bestbuy yesterday for $99.00. I upgraded one of my phones. The local VZW store had them for $149.00 but they did not have any in stock. This is the second phone I've purchased at Bestbuy and I really like dealing with them. Of course, I don't have my unlimited data plan anymore but that was bound to happen sooner or later. I'll just have to watch my data usage now.
PS. I really like this phone. lol.

bestbuy has good price however i would complain to your carriers customer care i wouldnt give up my unlimited without a fight

I'm assuming this is $99 with a new contract?

Not considered a great deal if you were required to sign a contract for it.

cool :highfive::highfive:

yeah it's $99 with a new contract.
wah wah wahhhhhh.

Try Newegg, its free as a new customer or $49 as an upgrade. They are also throwing in a free dock and $25 gift card.

This might sound like a crazy question but do you need a 4G plan to have a 4G phone?
I got grandfathered into the unlimited 3G plan on Verizon and was just wondering like what's stopping me from buying a Nexus and activating it myself?

stereoblind said:
This might sound like a crazy question but do you need a 4G plan to have a 4G phone?
I got grandfathered into the unlimited 3G plan on Verizon and was just wondering like what's stopping me from buying a Nexus and activating it myself?
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From what I understand if you try to upgrade now with a grandfathered unlimited plan they will force you to switch to a metered plan. The only away around it is to buy a non subsidized device at full price.

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From what I understand if you try to upgrade now with a grandfathered unlimited plan they will force you to switch to a metered plan. The only away around it is to buy a non subsidized device at full price.
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Alright, cool. That was my plan (paying full price) I was just afraid that after I activated it they'd make me switch to a 4G plan or whatever but I don't plan on going through them to get a new phone anyway

There were never separate 4G plans, its just that around the time most phones started coming with 4G, Verizon was making the switch to metered data. You could buy the HTC Thunderbolt before unlimited data for new customers ended and it was a 4G phone.

Basically if you want an "upgrade" for Verizon.You have to pay full retail price or buy it from someone,if you wanna keep your unlimited data as of the 29th of June.But I heard Verizon will eventually kick everybody off the unlimited plan in a year or two.
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Not sure if this is a deal or not but I purchased a Nexus at Bestbuy yesterday for $99.00. I upgraded one of my phones. The local VZW store had them for $149.00 but they did not have any in stock. This is the second phone I've purchased at Bestbuy and I really like dealing with them. Of course, I don't have my unlimited data plan anymore but that was bound to happen sooner or later. I'll just have to watch my data usage now.
PS. I really like this phone. lol.
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Yeah, I'd return it and get your unlimited back. Then call up VZW and ask to keep your plan. I did the sa,me thing with AT&T and they honored my unlimited plan.

Just thought i would pop in and say if you can find a Walmart with them in stock, last time I was at work they were .97¢ for upgrade or new line. So 99$ isn't a great deal
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Goobacks said:
Just thought i would pop in and say if you can find a Walmart with them in stock, last time I was at work they were .97¢ for upgrade or new line. So 99$ isn't a great deal
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Wow!!!
Is that for Verizon and upgrades only???
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BB Clerk tries to make me change plan for Note 4

Went inside best buy mobile today to pick up my pre ordered note 4, and they told me that i had to switch my plan in order to walk out with the phone! The new plan they were trying to get me on would make me pay 800$ for my note and be "off contract". In order to switch to that plan id have to cancel all 5 of my lines, with the ETF fees up in the thousands of dollars. I told him no way and that id call sprint, and ge told me that even if I call i'd still have no choice. Anyone else encounter something similar?

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Went inside best buy mobile today to pick up my pre ordered note 4, and they told me that i had to switch my plan in order to walk out with the phone! The new plan they were trying to get me on would make me pay 800$ for my note and be "off contract". In order to switch to that plan id have to cancel all 5 of my lines, with the ETF fees up in the thousands of dollars. I told him no way and that id call sprint, and ge told me that even if I call i'd still have no choice. Anyone else encounter something similar?
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I had something similar happen to me today at the Sprint Store. The clerk insisted that I couldn't keep my plan. I told him to get bent. After a heated exchange, I turned on the phone, had the phone go through the automated activation process and viola, I was activated on my existing plan. He sheepishly mumbled something under his breath and I walked out with my phone.
I'm guessing they only make the sweet commission when they sign you up for a new plan.

I had trouble with keeping my plan at Best Buy as well but the Best Buy Mobile guy called Sprint. I didn't even have to push. He did that on his own. The woman at Sprint wanted to speak to me to get permission to speak with the clerk about my account. They were able to fix it so that I was able to keep my plan. It took a few minutes but didn't seem to be a problem. I have the old Everything Data 450 plan which I've had for a couple of years now. Got it with my Galaxy S3.
When I looked it up on Sprint's website a few days ago, it just said that you had to have an Everything Data plan (or some other type of plan but I can't remember the name) and it didn't specify that you had to have a higher plan. I'm glad I got to keep my plan. It's already more than I need. The plan he was looking to switch me to would've been $90 before taxes. Right now I pay $80.
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Im glad I'm not the only one. I'm calling sprint tomorrow first thing and heading back to BB

I was told we could keep our current plan.
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Been There Done That
I bought the Note 4 for my fiance` yesterday. We had been shopping around for phones for a while. Many of the sales rep's said the same thing, in that we had to switch plans and we could not buy the phone out right but instead had to make a $30/month payment for 24 months. This was not going to happen. I mean, what about my rebates and the 2 year contract discounts. Finally I called up the HQ corporate store in Reston VA to get the skinny on the situation. They instructed me to go to any corporate store and that they could get me the phone with my discounts and continue to use the plan I have on my phone, the S4. Long story short YES you can keep your old plan, YES you can buy the phone outright and not pay nearly $800 for the device! Now you know and anyone who says otherwise should win the employee of the month award.
PS The employees at sprint whom I have worked with at both HQ and other corporate locations are extremely knowledgeable and go out of there way to make sure you are happy with their service. One employee sat and entertained my son while the other explained how to best utilize the phones features while yet another went of to find an assortment of accessories. I felt like I was a celebrity. And they did this for every customer. It doesn't get much better than that.

Pre-order thru BB picked up yesterday no issues upgraded my line. Traded a old evo 4g got 200$ paid 123$ total for note 4. Can't beat that deal never tried or force me to change plan family 1500 here unlimited data

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Went inside best buy mobile today to pick up my pre ordered note 4, and they told me that i had to switch my plan in order to walk out with the phone! The new plan they were trying to get me on would make me pay 800$ for my note and be "off contract". In order to switch to that plan id have to cancel all 5 of my lines, with the ETF fees up in the thousands of dollars. I told him no way and that id call sprint, and ge told me that even if I call i'd still have no choice. Anyone else encounter something similar?
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When I went to pre-order at BB, that's what I was told as well.. They are saying that Sprint is forcing this issue.. I pre-ordered anyway, only because I want the 200 rebate on the old phone. I figured I'd argue the point when I pick it up.
Otherwise, I would have had my phone in hand already from Sprint instead of waiting on BB.

I picked up the note4 from the sprint store yesterday and ended up going with the new plan. They spelled out the two programs and said either are available with pros and cons of both and I ended up going with the "new" plan. Did I make a mistake ? Its still unlimited data and seemed to be mostly the same ?

So now you are paying 720 for the phone... Good deal?
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Seems wrong, here is mine
Monthly Charges, See below
Sprint Keep Existing Plan
With 2-year contract extension
Maybe you have 1 line and thats how? In mine case I got 4 lines and they cannot do anything to my plan because 3 lines have no change

I had the same issue in a sprint retail store. Im going to call tomarrow to try and get the plan back because i did not take that 720 dollar plan.
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I picked up the note4 from the sprint store yesterday and ended up going with the new plan. They spelled out the two programs and said either are available with pros and cons of both and I ended up going with the "new" plan. Did I make a mistake ? Its still unlimited data and seemed to be mostly the same ?
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the two new plans we offered now says in small writing, your plan can be throttled while watching a movie to 1 megabyte per second and people with other plans have priority over data than you do.
I tried to add a second line to my account which I have the 450 data unlimited plan and they said that they had to go into a new plan you have two phones I stated about the new rules of being throttled me act like you didn't know anything about it and would not look it up.

I don't watch alot of video over cell. So I'm fine with switching over. I can see for people who are using 10+ gigs a month that being a problem.

It's not just video. You get on the web at peak times, guess who gets bumped first. The peeps with the new plans. It might not matter to some. I live out in the boonies and have only one tower to connect to and sucks during peak. But Sprints my only choice, unless back to satillite.........NOT

I ended up getting my way by calling sprint in the best buy store to keep my existing plan, but he told me sprint was going to make me switch one way or another sooner than later.

Again that's not a bad thing. I don't get kicked off data. I just don't get priority data service. That's no different then other unlimited plans.
My data usage is somewhere between 1-2 gigs a month. I don't see it being that big of a deal. If its not your only source of net.

Plan Change
I was told by Sprint rep that I would have to change plans if I upgraded through them. One Sprint rep told me other retailers such as BB could do the upgrade without changing plans. Both BB stores I talked to confirmed this. I had no problem when getting mine.

I pre-ordered two at BB and picked them up Friday. The guy during pre-order didn't have a problem with me keeping my plan and neither did the guy I picked them up from. Seems like it is hit or miss on knowledgeable versus not knowledgeable employees in both sprint and BB. It also sounds like someone us perpetuating something false to lots of people making it worse.
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Daevionne said:
Went inside best buy mobile today to pick up my pre ordered note 4, and they told me that i had to switch my plan in order to walk out with the phone! The new plan they were trying to get me on would make me pay 800$ for my note and be "off contract". In order to switch to that plan id have to cancel all 5 of my lines, with the ETF fees up in the thousands of dollars. I told him no way and that id call sprint, and ge told me that even if I call i'd still have no choice. Anyone else encounter something similar?
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I had the same issue, but at a Sprint corporate store! They kept telling me that we would have to call Sprint customer care and get their permission for us to keep our current plan (the grandfathered in 1500 Everything data plan). We called customer care from home, and they said they will put something on our account that says we wouldn't have to change our plan. When I went back to pre-order it, they told us we would have to call customer care in store in order to get this change approved. After a bunch of arguing everything was handled and I pre-ordered the phone (about 2 weeks ago). Friday comes, and that store never got the phone in. I was going out of town so I was a bit upset that I wasn't going to have my new phone. Saturday I went to a Sprint store where I was at for the weekend and they had Note 4's in-stock. While purchasing we weren't told we had to change our plan at all, and it was a very smooth process. The $80 that Samsung would send me 1-2 months from now for pre-ordering the phone was irrelevant at this point.
TLDR- One store said we had to change our plan and would not budge, Other store didn't even bring up changing our plan.

Sprint Pixel discount

http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...ount-credits-activate-pixel-might-ask-nicely/
Came across this earlier. Called Sprint to see if I qualified... What a joke. They said I couldn't bc I activated my device too early (release date) and I had another phone on the contract. I'm going to drop them soon, but I'm case they care about any other customers, you might try your luck.

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http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...ount-credits-activate-pixel-might-ask-nicely/
Came across this earlier. Called Sprint to see if I qualified... What a joke. They said I couldn't bc I activated my device too early (release date) and I had another phone on the contract. I'm going to drop them soon, but I'm case they care about any other customers, you might try your luck.
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Before looking on their website I figured I would ask you since you are already a Sprint customer. Do they offer any kind of unlimited data plan currently? I am with Verizon and still on their old unlimited data plan right now but I am always curious if I can get a better price elsewhere. For years it was annoying because I couldn't get a device through Verizon or else I would loose unlimited so I've had to trade phones here and there to get new ones. I got lucky this time and got a Pixel from Best Buy for basically $140. The deal was $240 technically but I also got a hundred dollar gift card
So yea just curious about any unlimited plans sprint offeres I remember hearing Tmobile had unlimited again but there was some kind of catch to the plan.. I think you only got 480p video or something
thanks!

aholeinthewor1d said:
Before looking on their website I figured I would ask you since you are already a Sprint customer. Do they offer any kind of unlimited data plan currently? I am with Verizon and still on their old unlimited data plan right now but I am always curious if I can get a better price elsewhere. For years it was annoying because I couldn't get a device through Verizon or else I would loose unlimited so I've had to trade phones here and there to get new ones. I got lucky this time and got a Pixel from Best Buy for basically $140. The deal was $240 technically but I also got a hundred dollar gift card
So yea just curious about any unlimited plans sprint offeres I remember hearing Tmobile had unlimited again but there was some kind of catch to the plan.. I think you only got 480p video or something
thanks!
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There is unlimited. I'm on it now but it's "optimized" data. I haven't noticed any drops in quality but I don't use my data that much for more than music streaming. I'm on Wi-Fi basically all the time.