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is it amoled or ?
it has a high-resolution capacitive touchscreen
dr154 said:
it has a high-resolution capacitive touchscreen
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That didn't answer his question.
I remember reading somewhere that it is LCD, unfortunately...
24-bit TFT, I think. AMOLED isn't necessarily the bee's knees, even though people like to use it as a buzz word.
I don't really care if it is AMOLED or not, but I like to know what sensor is used in the screen. As far as I know, the droid/milestone had a dual touch screen, and from videos I've seen it looks much less responsive as e.g. the full 16 touch multitouch on the Samsung Galaxy S.
I'm aware that this is not an issue for many people, and I'm not yet sure how important it is for me. But there seem to be differences in the different sensor technologies used, and I would like to know where the droid x stands.
e.g. this article claims that the sensor in the galaxy has a "response time of 7 milliseconds which is 2-3 times faster than current multi-touch displays.", and that it can recognise up to 16 different touches.
androidcommunity.com/samsung-galaxy-s-has-the-best-multi-touch-screen-ever-20100524/
yes but who has 16 fingers much less that you can fit on a 4 inch screen....
It's an IPS LCD like the original Droid.
It's a TFT screen. It says on the consumer site, near the bottom under "Physical". (Sorry, new to the site, can't post the active link)
motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consumer-Product-and-Services/Mobile-Phones/ci.Motorola-DROID-X-US-EN.alt
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I remember reading somewhere that it is LCD, unfortunately...
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If it had amloed i wouldnt be getting it. I returned my incredible for this reason. Txt is blurry on amloled....i dont understand how people dont see its inferior.
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If it had amloed i wouldnt be getting it. I returned my incredible for this reason. Txt is blurry on amloled....i dont understand how people dont see its inferior.
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I agree. I had an Incredible and the text was jagged. Not to mention AMOLED gets "burn-in" which means after a while the status bar will be permanently burned into the top of the screen. The colors are better, and the power draw is lower. Those are the only 2 advantages over LCD, ever where else they fall short.
The lagged text has something to do with how they make AMOLEDs. They use RGB like LCD for each pixel, but they only have 1 green per 2 pixels. So in effect its like the screen has less pixels over all.
More information on this here. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news...exus-ones-screen-science-color-and-hacks.ars/
AMOLED is a buzz word. LCD work better in the sun and the text is more crisp.
Burn in will not be an issue on any phone. It's just like a TV. If you had say, some sort of icon constantly open on the screen in the exact same location for many hours continuously alright. But on a phone you rarely have anything open without changing for >6 hours anyway. and burn-in requires more than 6 hours, it only happens after usually a year or two of a TV displaying something static like a network logo.
Colors are much richer, but a bit less accurate. This isn't as crucial since you're on a phone and not exactly going for insane color accuracy, and lcd screens in general aren't extraordinarily accurate (seem to be either overly red or blue, or "warm" and "cool")
AMOLED also uses a LOT less power, and I really doubt you're going to see a huge difference in screen legibility in the sun.
(can't post links yet)
engadget.com/2010/06/21/super-amoled-vs-amoled-vs-lcd-in-direct-sunlight-fight/
engadget has a nice comparison video, all look pretty bad except for maybe the SAMOLED and the iphone 4 is apparently alright. then again, if you literally just shield it a bit with your body (turn away from the sun) all screens are fairly readable. The sun sucks, and screens universally suck in sun compared to indoors.
Last point: AMOLED is really awesome at night. The blacks are indeed REALLY black. So far nothing but the OLED displays can reach that level (since it is 100% black, no light is actually emitted, giving it theoretically infinite contrast ratio).
No need for sour grapes, there are no 4.3 inch OLED phones that I know of in the US anyway, and if you want a large screen the droid x will deliver.
I'd be more concerned about multitouch sensors that amoled vs LCD, those will make or break a phone, I hope motorola invested in some sensors similar to the evo/incredible.
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you want a large screen the droid x will deliver.
I'd be more concerned about multitouch sensors that amoled vs LCD, those will make or break a phone, I hope motorola invested in some sensors similar to the evo/incredible.
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That's what I am worried about... I saw the video of the evo and incredible and the screen response issues.. it was pretty awful to say the least...
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It's an IPS LCD like the original Droid.
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Is that IPS like iPhone 4's S-IPS? I know the resolutions are different but is the tech otherwise the same? I've compared my Incredible to the iPhone 4 and I really didn't see a significant difference in color quality.
Droid X has a TFT LCD screen...
Droid Incredible has an AMOLED & STFT LCD screen...
First Droid Inc have the AMOLED and newer releases has STFT... mixture of both...
Touch Screen Sensor
Not sure the exact manufacturer or model, but I found a good test of the touch sensor / multitouch for the Droid X.
Youtube link: (apparently can't post outside link yet)
Google "DroidXMultitouchTest". 2nd link
Results look great. My last reservation is removed. By the way, there isn't a "hitch" like the guy says, it's the font and changing sides. That's why you don't see it in the second test.
Until we see Pixel Qi screens, it doesn't really matter. Pixel Qi is worlds better than any display available now, including the iPhone 4 and the Galaxy S. I'm hoping the rumored "display like you've never seen" comment from HTC is a smartphone with a Pixel Qi screen.
Watch this, a laptop with a Pixel Qi screen versus the iPad in bright sunlight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NotK4TVQ-6E
Edit: by the way, Pixel Qi screens can "turn off" but still display a grayscale image just like the e-ink technology on the Amazon Kindle. It's pure win. People are all excited about the 4G/LTE networks coming, but IMO, most people should be MORE excited for Pixel Qi displays in smartphones.
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Pixel Qi displays in smartphones.
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im excited about both... 4g and pixel qi display...
In comparing the iPad with the Xoom, no doubt the iPad's display looks nicer. I have Dell IPS and non-IPS monitors and the color gamut on the IPS looks nicer.
However, I don't think Motorola "cheaped" out on the display as I've been hearing in passing. I think what it came down to is this no parts manufacturer has developed a mobile IPS display at 1280x800 because if they did, you know Apple would've used it in their MacBook Pro's.
So, if you were VP of Moto's Product Development, would you have made the same decision?
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Here's a link to an image that you can use to test image quality across different device. Try to display at 100% as different scaling algorithms may degrade the image quality.
ips for sure. Love the xoom, but the display is not the best. Even my Viewsonic G tablet does a better job displaying photos when viewing straight on. Maybe someone will figure out a way to tweak the xoom display for better contrast and color.
For a device this small, I'll take the larger resolution, and quality wise, I'm perfectly happy with the Xoom display (particularly after turning off auto brightness).
Now if we're talking about a LCD for PC, I'll keep my IPS
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ips for sure. Love the xoom, but the display is not the best. Even my Viewsonic G tablet does a better job displaying photos when viewing straight on. Maybe someone will figure out a way to tweak the xoom display for better contrast and color.
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The stock photo viewer does suck. If the image is scaled at all, it looks a bit garbled.
Go to the market and download QuickPic. It's a MUCH better photo gallery app, and even large images taken with my DSLR look good scaled down.
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For a device this small, I'll take the larger resolution, and quality wise, I'm perfectly happy with the Xoom display (particularly after turning off auto brightness).
Now if we're talking about a LCD for PC, I'll keep my IPS
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I'd have to agree. I'll take 1280x800 and slightly reduced image qualit over 1024x768
When I get my Xoom, I plan to do a cbr/cbz comparison against my R10 (1024x768 IPS screen).
IPS is still LCD. IPS is just one of the better types of LCD panel, and hence your thread title is weird.
Why are some people saying that the LCD on Xoom is non-IPS? Has it been confirmed already? I can't find the model number of the Xoom LCD panel. iFixit doesn't list it, maybe I can email them and ask. But from all the review pictures and videos I've seen so far, the view angel of the Xoom LCD does seem very wide, on par with typical IPS panel. Color reproduction-wise, it can vary a lot among IPS panels depending on model. Without doubt, the one on the iPad is exceptional. But then, with the volume that Apple is shipping, they probably won't have much problem getting some custom made specification.
EDIT: Ok, I just Googled. iSuppli has the part list
http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/XOOMBOM-Totals-$359-92-IHS-iSuppli-Teardown-Reveals.aspx
The display model is AUOptronics B101EW04 V.0, and it doesn't mention the panel type (no, TFT is not a panel type). Googling this model number gives me nothing. iSuppli does mention that the IPS panel on the iPad is infact AFFS panel, a high quatlity and newer type of IPS panel (those who have modded their Thinkpad X200 are familiar with this type of panel).
Alright, answering my own question.
Did some Googling and it seems that AUO doesn't make any IPS panel. Cannot find B101EW04 on their website, but their website does list a B101EW05. Judging from the model number it may be similar to the B101EW04 that Xoom uses. Perhaps it's a newer model that replaces the B101EW04?
http://www.auo.com/?sn=149&lang=en-US&c=34&n=146
B101EW05 is a 10.1" 1280x800 VA panel. VA panels are high quality panels that are comparable to IPS. Dell WFP 2407, 2407-HC, and 2408 (and maybe more, I just know these models) all use VA panels and everyone knows that they look exceptional. The B101EW05 looks spectacular on spec sheet, and enters into production only in Q4 2010. Perhaps just a little bit too late to be employed on the Xoom?
Someone in another thread that is a professional photographers said the xoom is more accurate on color than his ipad, for what it's worth.
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roebeet said:
When I get my Xoom, I plan to do a cbr/cbz comparison against my R10 (1024x768 IPS screen).
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Are you also keeping yours now??
Don't confuse a bright and colorful display with accuracy. Accurate means the way it looks in real life. Look out the window, it does not look like Wonderland or Oz.
A photographer needs an accurate representation on a device of his work so that the final product is not misrepresented.
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IPS is still LCD. IPS is just one of the better types of LCD panel, and hence your thread title is weird.
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Well, yea, I think most XDA readers know that IPS is LCD, but I just wanted to keep the title short.
I just added a link to a test image for those who want to test the quality of their different displays.
I was doing a side by side comparison against a friends iPad and my Xoom when playing a movie. They both look really good, but the main difference is the iPad being 4:3 looks really awkward when playing widescreen movies. The good thing about a "fragmented" OS is apps had to detect the screen size to work correctly, and now we have all these widescreen tablets of whatever resolution people like, while iOS is locked into 4:3 forever basically, or risk huge backwards compatibility problems as I'm sure 95% of iPad apps have 1024x768 hard coded in them.
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I was doing a side by side comparison against a friends iPad and my Xoom when playing a movie. They both look really good, but the main difference is the iPad being 4:3 looks really awkward when playing widescreen movies. The good thing about a "fragmented" OS is apps had to detect the screen size to work correctly, and now we have all these widescreen tablets of whatever resolution people like, while iOS is locked into 4:3 forever basically, or risk huge backwards compatibility problems as I'm sure 95% of iPad apps have 1024x768 hard coded in them.
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Resolution wouldn't be a problem for Apple. Since iOS devices are made only by Apple, Apple has complete control over what resolution their devices use. And given the volume that Apple ships (they sold 15 million of iPads in the first 9 month for god sake...), they probably can have a screen made to their specification (e.g. the super high pixel density screen of the iPhone 4).
It's the viewing angles that make IPS screens so much better.
Lay both an iPad and a Xoom flat side by side in portrait mode and look at them as you're laying down on a bed. You'll definitely notice a difference. The blues at the top of the Xoom screen of the tron-like Honeycomb wallpaper turn purple. The iPad colors largely look the same no matter what angle you're looking at it.
As a photographer, although i love android os but i still have to go with Ipad screen, the color look more accurate to me.
i went to Bestbuy and try out the xoom, the screen is pretty bad but better than my g-tablet.
I really hope that people can port honeycomb to ipad 2.
ianlti said:
As a photographer, although i love android os but i still have to go with Ipad screen, the color look more accurate to me.
i went to Bestbuy and try out the xoom, the screen is pretty bad but better than my g-tablet.
I really hope that people can port honeycomb to ipad 2.
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I tested both as well at Best Buy. I wouldn't say that it's "really bad." It's not as good as IPS, but it's not bad by any means.
Before I got my Dell Ultrasharp U2410 monitors, I was using plain Dell LCD monitors. I now have a quad monitor setup, 2 normal Dells + 2 IPS Dells. The U2410's have the edge on color gamut, but other than that, quality is very close.
If Samsung was smart, they'd make a 1280x800 SAMOLED display and keep it to themselves or else charge a huge profit margin to their competitors.
Sometimes, I wonder how these product VP's get their jobs? It just seems like all their decisions are against common sense.
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I tested both as well at Best Buy. I wouldn't say that it's "really bad." It's not as good as IPS, but it's not bad by any means.
Before I got my Dell Ultrasharp U2410 monitors, I was using plain Dell LCD monitors. I now have a quad monitor setup, 2 normal Dells + 2 IPS Dells. The U2410's have the edge on color gamut, but other than that, quality is very close.
If Samsung was smart, they'd make a 1280x800 SAMOLED display and keep it to themselves or else charge a huge profit margin to their competitors.
Sometimes, I wonder how these product VP's get their jobs? It just seems like all their decisions are against common sense.
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Unfortunately Super AMOLED isn't available this big yet. The Galaxy Tab 7" has a pretty nice screen, and early hands on preview of the Galaxy Tab 10.1" say that the screen on it is just as nice. It's not surprising though, since Samsung is probably using their own panels and their panels are always nice. If you look take a look here:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/lcdpanel/product/note.html
Samsung makes 3 sizes of tablet screens, 7", 10.1", and 9.7", which coincides with the almost confirmed rumor that they will reveal another 9.7" Honeycomb tablet at CTIA. If you want a 10.1" Honeycomb tablet with nice screen, wait for the Samsung 10.1" or 9.7" Galaxy Tab. (But the Galaxy Tab 10.1" has no USB port and SD card slot .... yes, Samsung somehow think it's a good idea to use a proprietary 30-pin connector)
our IT nerd from work lent me his iPad for direct comparison and I have to admit that the Xoom does not even get close to the viewing angles of the iPad. Due to the 16:10 form factor the Xoom also appears smaller. Still, I'm having so much fun with my Xoom that if you don't torture yourself with putting the iPad right next to it it works well!
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Unfortunately Super AMOLED isn't available this big yet. The Galaxy Tab 7" has a pretty nice screen, and early hands on preview of the Galaxy Tab 10.1" say that the screen on it is just as nice. It's not surprising though, since Samsung is probably using their own panels and their panels are always nice. If you look take a look here:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/lcdpanel/product/note.html
Samsung makes 3 sizes of tablet screens, 7", 10.1", and 9.7", which coincides with the almost confirmed rumor that they will reveal another 9.7" Honeycomb tablet at CTIA. If you want a 10.1" Honeycomb tablet with nice screen, wait for the Samsung 10.1" or 9.7" Galaxy Tab. (But the Galaxy Tab 10.1" has no USB port and SD card slot .... yes, Samsung somehow think it's a good idea to use a proprietary 30-pin connector)
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You mean 8.9 not 9.7.
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Hello everyone,
I have a query that perhaps those in the know could offer me some guidance on. Firstly, among the different flavors of 10.1'' Android tablets how similar are the innards both in hardware and placement? I ask this because the color depth of my Acer Iconia is horrible in my opinion...especially sitting next to my wife's Asus Transformer. The colors are very washed out and the banding that occurs on gradients are not ignorable. I've seen it cited in a couple of threads with the general consensus being that Acer can do nothing on the software side to improve this saturation short sight. I have replaced many laptop screens and bezel assemblies, as well as repaired numerous bezels. I am aware that due to the relatively recent release of these tablets, replacement parts will be hard to find, but I want to do it regardless. According to Acer, their screen has more capacitive registers and I assume that there is a layer over the actual screen itself with the registers, but I'd love to perfect this beauty with an IPS screen. Also, I pulled it apart today and turned the microphone toward the screen panel side and finally my friends on Skype can hear me... So how possible is this upgrade, and are there any tips for this undertaking? Thanks in advance for your help and/or consideration.
So what do you guys think about the mod idea? Would it be worth it....or even possible?
I think it's definitely a great idea. I'm just not experienced with this level of hardware modding so have no input on it's feasibility or whether it would even work without some software hacking as well.
If you manage it, definitely post your results.
well well you need to find a LCD plate who is compatible (voltage and data stream) with the LED LCD AUO B101EW05 inside our tablet: http://auo.com/?sn=149&lang=en-US&c=34&n=146
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Response Time (ms) 8 from AUO
Response Time (ms) 25 from Acer
so far I would like see a 5ms screen rather than a 16M color
Would be very cool if you managed to, and if so ill repeat what was said above, please post your results and if successful please make a step by step guide
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well well you need to find a LCD plate who is compatible (voltage and data stream) with the LED LCD AUO B101EW05 inside our tablet: http://auo.com/?sn=149&lang=en-US&c=34&n=146
the only things weird
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Response Time (ms) 8 from AUO
Response Time (ms) 25 from Acer
so far I would like see a 5ms screen rather than a 16M color
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I'd like to meet somewhere in the middle maybe 5-12ms response and 16m colors. I'll have to wait until after market replacements become available and pray that the connections are compatible or that the PCB has generic leads to solder. Next is the software, assuming that the basic low level hardware is identical, software should be the easy part. Only time and research will tell. Does anyone have any OEM info on the Asus tf101 screen?
http://www.carrypad.com/2011/08/12/a-critical-look-at-the-interface-and-ergonomics-of-android/all/1/
Interesting article and the main reason none of the newer, more powerful phones interest me.
While i kind of agree with this guy, I've been annoyed by the small size of the screen on the Hero many times. When you want to check something quickly on your phone, the small screen size is fine. However, when you're using the phone to pass time (browsing the web while on road trips etc.) it can be really annoying to have a small screen. You have to constantly use your fingers to scroll up and down when reading, and viewing any sort of graphs is impossible. Bigger screens are usually better for gaming aswell, since you can see details better, and touch controls get bigger.
I am not happy,I can't do anything ..
thats why i choosed desire hd over se arc cauz of it's screen ratio ,, to long that you cant manage it with one hand at all , and you know , playing with your phone while you driving with your 2 hands = go to hell !
good info. thanks
The screen size is slightly thinner than an iPhone's by about 5mm, and some people might find it harder to type with because of that, but IMO, the screen size is just right. I can't imagine carrying around a phone with a 4.3" screen in my front pocket.
i think the best screensize is 3.7 -4.0 inch screens, i want the size because i surf a lot, but i still want it to be pretty portable
I agree somewhat with the article, but I do find I want my Hero screen to be bigger. Maybe the size of the original Desire. But the larger screens do look nice too.
Ultimately, you will all be tempted by the big touchscreen. Join the dark side.
Look at this all craze, manufacturers are testing even bigger sizes, +5inch, and along with the tablet spree, it looks like searching for the perfect size, perfect ratio.
A company with a fruit in it's logo knew it all along. 3.5 inch for a phone, 10 inch for a tab. Ekhm..
I'm just gonna playa smartass prophet and say that android tablets are gonna get bigger too. 12 inch, maybe 13 inch. But I doubt if much more without a breakthrough in battery technology. Li-ons would really suck on 13 inch tab, quad core.
guys would it be possible to take off the screens in each tablet and install the nexus 10 screen on the note 10.1 ?? Wouldnt that give us the resolution capabilities for it , and at the same time replace the battery and get the NFC ??
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guys would it be possible to take off the screens in each tablet and install the nexus 10 screen on the note 10.1 ?? Wouldnt that give us the resolution capabilities for it , and at the same time replace the battery and get the NFC ??
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The Note has an inductive display to support the S-Pen and the N10's display is capacitive and the pen won't work. So, pick one.
so the screens are not separated like a digitizer and the actual screen ?? and sorry for these question im ignorant when it comes to things like these.
Pretty sure the Exynos 4 that's inside the Note 10.1 doesn't support the Nexus 10's screen resolution. So it won't work as far as I know.
The screen wont work for mainly two reasons the wavecom chip wont work with a capacative screen and it does not support higher resolution then what we have on the note. That is why not has that resolution
The processor does not support that high resolution.
These are main two reason apart from many other. Its like fitting a trucks body on a cars chassies
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so the screens are not separated like a digitizer and the actual screen ?? and sorry for these question im ignorant when it comes to things like these.
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Here's the difference between the two displays. An inductive display picks up an electro-magnetic signal from the pen where a capacitive display only can respond to physical contact. Based on the manufacturing complexity I'd guess the Note's display cost Samsung more than the FHD+ display on the N10.
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Here's the difference between the two displays. An inductive display picks up an electro-magnetic signal from the pen where a capacitive display only can respond to physical contact. Based on the manufacturing complexity I'd guess the Note's display cost Samsung more than the FHD+ display on the N10.
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We have both capacitive and inductive digitizers as we have dual digitizers one from atmel and the other is wacom
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We have both capacitive and inductive digitizers as we have dual digitizers one from atmel and the other is wacom
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Thank you guys , just using my imagination
I didnt know that the screen resolution mattered to the cpu , but then again a computer monitor will go as far as the graphics in a pc allows it ..
Yes the same concept works over here, it depends on how much the mali gpu allows it go to. Secondly as the resolution increase the processing power requirement also increases.
You can have insane resolutions but how pratical are they since most of the apps are developed for a 5inch screen.
This was posted in the N10 forum and sort of describes the challenges of inking on a capacitive display by someone who tried to solve them. To me, either inking works well or why bother. Using a kluge might get the job done but would be very frustrating. I'd rather live with the 720P display (which is still better in contrast and brightness than the N10's).
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I made the app Writepad Stylus to do precisely that, on the Asus Transformer 101. Palm rejection on a capacitive screen, without weird zoning boxes. It worked pretty well and I made a lot of money from it. But there are a ton of issues with that algorithm that I ran into when I got the Asus Transformer Prime, which ultimately made me give up on the app:
Bad capacitive screen sensitivity. The Transformer Prime and the Galaxy Tab 10.1 both have awful sensitivity settings, so the writing comes out looking like an 8 year old's scribble. It doesn't register all the input points. It doesn't start recording points until AFTER you move the stylus a certain distance. Ugh. There's an app that sorta fixes that called TouchscreenTune, but it requires root, and the settings for that are really hard to calibrate. Even after messing with that, it's still not as good as on the Xoom or the original Transformer.
Touch screen can't handle straight lines. If you try to draw a straight line horizontally or vertically, it comes out straight. If you try to draw a diagonal line, it comes out wiggly. This is also particular to certain tablet screens. Who knows whether a particular tablet will have good touch screen or crappy one? No reviewer tests for that kind of thing. You have to go to the store to try it out.
Your hand will accidentally hit the notification or navigation buttons, taking focus away from the app, or accidentally going back to the homescreen. As far as I know, this can happen even with the S-pen. Asus has a "lock navigation bar" feature on their tablets, which is nice. There's no way to hide the navigation bar or disable it while something is going on in app (unless you root your tablet).
Anyway, if someone wants to test these things on the Nexus 10 and report back, I'd be grateful since I can't find these in stores yet. Just try to write as small as you can with a capacitive stylus, and try to slowly draw straight diagonal lines.
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BarryH_GEG said:
Here's the difference between the two displays. An inductive display picks up an electro-magnetic signal from the pen where a capacitive display only can respond to physical contact. Based on the manufacturing complexity I'd guess the Note's display cost Samsung more than the FHD+ display on the N10.
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You have posted a comparison between a RESISTIVE display and a capacitive/inductive one. The top picture is resistive which is old technology now, it's what the old smart phones and pocket PC's used and had a thin layer of plasticky material for sensing pressure. The note 10.1 uses both capacitive (for fingers) and inductive (for the pen).....and the nexus 10 just uses capacitive, not the screen in the 1st pic in your diagram. As far as I know, no screens use resistive tech anymore.
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