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Capacitive Touch Screen

A capacitive touchscreen panel is coated with a material, typically indium tin oxide that conducts a continuous electrical current across the sensor. The sensor therefore exhibits a precisely controlled field of stored electrons in both the horizontal and vertical axes - it achieves capacitance. The human body is also an electrical device which has stored electrons and therefore also exhibits capacitance. When the sensor's 'normal' capacitance field (its reference state) is altered by another capacitance field, i.e., someone's finger, electronic circuits located at each corner of the panel measure the resultant 'distortion' in the sine wave characteristics of the reference field and sends the information about the event to the controller for mathematical processing. Capacitive sensors can either be touched with a bare finger or with a conductive device being held by a bare hand. Capacitive touchscreens are not affected by outside elements and have high clarity. The Apple iPhone is an example of a product that uses capacitance touchscreen technology: the iPhone is further capable of multi-touch sensing.
Capacitive sensors work based on proximity, and do not have to be directly touched to be triggered. In most cases, direct contact to a conductive metal surface does not occur and the conductive sensor is separated from the user's body by an insulating glass or plastic layer. Devices with capacitive buttons intended to be touched by a finger can often be triggered by quickly waving the palm of the hand close to the surface without touching.
The HTC/T-Mobile G1/Dream is also equipped with a capacitive touch screen.

is the Xperia X1 also equipped with Capacitive touch screen? because i noticed its not as sensitive as iphone

Without opening up the phone, there are several ways to find out if a phone uses a capacitive or resistive (i.e. pressure-sensitive) screen.
1. Look at the screen off-angle in bright light. You may be able to see a grid of dots that looks something like this and extends over the entire screen surface:
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If you can, it's probably not a capacitive screen.
2. Can the screen be operated by a non-conductive object i.e. a toothpick?
If so, it's probably not a capacitive screen.
3. Does the device come with a stylus/"plectrum" and does it require screen calibration?
If it does, it's probably not a capacitive screen.
No mass-market WM device to date has a capacitive touchscreen, including the X1. The first post of this thread will help you understand why: http://discuss.pocketnow.com/showthread.php?threadid=23389

Nocturnal310 said:
is the Xperia X1 also equipped with Capacitive touch screen? because i noticed its not as sensitive as iphone
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My Xperia is more sensitive than an iPhone. Granted I did some tweaking, but still.

No, Xperia is like the rest of our phones has resistive screen. It can be very sensitive, but stylus will be your main indication. I have LG Prada that has capacitive screen and LG Viewty that has a resistive one.

enigma1nz said:
No, Xperia is like the rest of our phones has resistive screen. It can be very sensitive, but stylus will be your main indication. I have LG Prada that has capacitive screen and LG Viewty that has a resistive one.
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No? So, you have spied on me using my phone and know that it is not more sensitive? Pffft...

iphone rockz!
im sorry but no phone is as sensitive as an iphone!

jesse_g said:
im sorry but no phone is as sensitive as an iphone!
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You should be sorry, because you are wrong. Do your research better and come back to apologize.

sorry but i have the same idea...... i think iPhone is more sensitive than xperia

Do capacititve screens have a separation issue like some of the HTC resistive screens have?
Where the layers of a resistive screen including the digitizer start to separate causing a rectangular shape in the center that looks like oil on water.
Has happened to me and many others where the screen eventually has a complete failure.
I do know that the capacitive screens on the iPhone are prone to breakage due to the fact that it has a glass surface.
The resistive screen of the Diamond is less prone to breakage because it has a plastic type film on the surface.
Btw, my screen is pretty sensitive, whether using the stylus or touch.

You can tweak your resistiv screen by allign screen.
If you dont press the screen and move little circles between the arrow you can make screen more sensitiv
Sorry for my english cause i am german

Black93300ZX said:
A capacitive touchscreen panel is coated with a material, typically indium tin oxide that conducts a continuous electrical current across the sensor. The sensor therefore exhibits a precisely controlled field of stored electrons in both the horizontal and vertical axes - it achieves capacitance. The human body is also an electrical device which has stored electrons and therefore also exhibits capacitance. When the sensor's 'normal' capacitance field (its reference state) is altered by another capacitance field, i.e., someone's finger, electronic circuits located at each corner of the panel measure the resultant 'distortion' in the sine wave characteristics of the reference field and sends the information about the event to the controller for mathematical processing. Capacitive sensors can either be touched with a bare finger or with a conductive device being held by a bare hand. Capacitive touchscreens are not affected by outside elements and have high clarity. The Apple iPhone is an example of a product that uses capacitance touchscreen technology: the iPhone is further capable of multi-touch sensing.
Capacitive sensors work based on proximity, and do not have to be directly touched to be triggered. In most cases, direct contact to a conductive metal surface does not occur and the conductive sensor is separated from the user's body by an insulating glass or plastic layer. Devices with capacitive buttons intended to be touched by a finger can often be triggered by quickly waving the palm of the hand close to the surface without touching.
The HTC/T-Mobile G1/Dream is also equipped with a capacitive touch screen.
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interesting... I didn't know that

jesse_g said:
im sorry but no phone is as sensitive as an iphone!
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darren shan said:
sorry but i have the same idea...... i think iPhone is more sensitive than xperia
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Hey guys there is a cab called iTouch for blackstone and it tweaks the resistance to ultra-sensitive, works like a charm. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=469865 , try it.

1. Look at the screen off-angle in bright light. You may be able to see a grid of dots that looks something like this and extends over the entire screen surface:
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If you can, it's probably not a capacitive screen.
Not necessarily true. The Nexus One has a capacitive screen and also has the dots...
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Multi-touch
So.. I guess I'm going to show my ignorance, but here is my question.
There are several posts on several sites talking about how you can't do multi-touch unless you have a capacitive screen. Then I go to Pandawill and look at the G10. It says it's a resistive screen but there are videos of it doing pinch-to-zoom.
Can someone help me understand how multi-touch relates to the screen type?
Sorry if i'm too much of a n00b

Sorry to add fuel to fire but a capacitive screen will always be more sensitive (speaking purely about the physics of it) than a resisitive screen.
Why?
Capacitive screens rely on charge and comparative charge of two bodies. In some instances, capacitive screens can work without the finger actually touching the screen.
Resistive screens rely on a minute deflection from contact to connect two conductive layers. You can touch a resistive screen lightly enough to not result in a UI interaction. Resisitve screens can be tweaked to work at a very high sensitivity but still not as sensitive as a capacitive screen.
Go ahead, compare two phones with opposing screen tech side by side. I thought nothing could be as responsive as my Topaz till I bought a Nexus, then Desire (which have other issues btw! )
Sorry but thats the blunt science behind it. Bear in mind the perception of responsiveness to touch can very well depend on the quality/smoothness of the software written or the user interface.
Source:
HTC Touch Diamond 2 vs. HTC Desire
Source 2:
My university degree.

Sorry for the double post but to answer your question,
Yes resistive screens can be used to provide multi touch support. Where this support isnt built into the drivers for the digitizer, its a lot harder. Bear in mind most older phones were launched before the mainstream advent of multi touch. Thus no drivers...only brilliant minds at XDA
However, using a resisitve touch screen to provide multi touch has some serious drawbacks, mainly on smaller screens.
I hate to break it to you but the reason behind this is actually the size of your "pinch" fingers with respect to screen size.
Multi touch on a small resistive screen cause deflection at multiple points on the digitizer but due to the reliance on deflection, the software will inevitably struggle to understand what sort of multitouch gesture you're trying to do! Your fingers with relation to screen size are simply too big!
When you have a bigger screen or a well designed digitizer + software, it can determine positions of multiple points much more accurately, thus allowing multi-touch.
eulalie said:
So.. I guess I'm going to show my ignorance, but here is my question.
There are several posts on several sites talking about how you can't do multi-touch unless you have a capacitive screen. Then I go to Pandawill and look at the G10. It says it's a resistive screen but there are videos of it doing pinch-to-zoom.
Can someone help me understand how multi-touch relates to the screen type?
Sorry if i'm too much of a n00b
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ozy944 said:
Sorry for the double post but to answer your question,
Yes resistive screens can be used to provide multi touch support. Where this support isnt built into the drivers for the digitizer, its a lot harder. Bear in mind most older phones were launched before the mainstream advent of multi touch. Thus no drivers...only brilliant minds at XDA
However, using a resisitve touch screen to provide multi touch has some serious drawbacks, mainly on smaller screens.
I hate to break it to you but the reason behind this is actually the size of your "pinch" fingers with respect to screen size.
Multi touch on a small resistive screen cause deflection at multiple points on the digitizer but due to the reliance on deflection, the software will inevitably struggle to understand what sort of multitouch gesture you're trying to do! Your fingers with relation to screen size are simply too big!
When you have a bigger screen or a well designed digitizer + software, it can determine positions of multiple points much more accurately, thus allowing multi-touch.
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Right.. I get that pinch is tougher on a small screen thats less sensative. The question was posed because there isn't a, what i consider to be cheap (in the 250$ or less range), 10 in capacative android tablet on the market.
If i venture in the the flatpad/apad/epad world... is it the case that it is impossible for that type of screen to do multi-touch? From your response I'm hearing that it IS possible to do multi-touch on a flatpad.. given that there are drivers supporting it. I'd love to have a capacative screen but from what i've seen online, they're going to be twice the cost or more.

eulalie said:
Right.. I get that pinch is tougher on a small screen thats less sensative. The question was posed because there isn't a, what i consider to be cheap (in the 250$ or less range), 10 in capacative android tablet on the market.
If i venture in the the flatpad/apad/epad world... is it the case that it is impossible for that type of screen to do multi-touch? From your response I'm hearing that it IS possible to do multi-touch on a flatpad.. given that there are drivers supporting it. I'd love to have a capacative screen but from what i've seen online, they're going to be twice the cost or more.
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A dilemma huh? To be brutally honest, most budget oriented tablets are simply that: budget oriented. A lot of them (im trying not to generalize) and Ive tried a fair few are poorly implemented tablets and more trouble than they are worth. Slow, laggy, bad battery life. You'll have enough issues to simply forget the lack of multi touch.
If I was after a tablet, hard as it may be, Id wait till some big players launch a proper device...that'll lead to better adoption and less half baked tablets that are more tech demo than retail product.
Bear in mind the lack of android market access on almost all of these tablets. Due to their generic nature, dev work is also a no-go. Everybody and their friends and family have a device out with a costomised, baked os that its not even funny!
Id check out the galaxy tablet from samsung or wait for it to make some waves and bring forth better implemented copycat products

yodafone said:
Without opening up the phone, there are several ways to find out if a phone uses a capacitive or resistive (i.e. pressure-sensitive) screen.
1. Look at the screen off-angle in bright light. You may be able to see a grid of dots that looks something like this and extends over the entire screen surface:
. . .
. . .
. . .
If you can, it's probably not a capacitive screen.
2. Can the screen be operated by a non-conductive object i.e. a toothpick?
If so, it's probably not a capacitive screen.
3. Does the device come with a stylus/"plectrum" and does it require screen calibration?
If it does, it's probably not a capacitive screen.
No mass-market WM device to date has a capacitive touchscreen, including the X1. The first post of this thread will help you understand why: http://discuss.pocketnow.com/showthread.php?threadid=23389
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The HTC HD2 is a capacitive touch-screen phone, was mass marketed on WM and has the dots (not horizontally but diagonally). Dont talk about it if you dont know about it.
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/htc-hd2-first-windows-mobile-with-capacitive-touchscreen-49303837/

Calibrating the S-Pen

Hi guys. I'd like to know if there is any way to calibrate the S-Pen, somethink like in the old Windows Mobile days with that little cross which you had to tap to calibrate your screen to the stylus. It's off by a few pixels on my note, which makes it annoying.

+1 .......

My GN too is off by a few pixel and is kinda annoying specially for some precision drawing.

It's supposed to be off, that's why you set it for left and right handed so you can see what your doing.
All you need to do is get used to it.

yeah that how they design . like set the right hand then it will off a bit on the left . if setting using left hand then it will off to the right side a bit. but its only on s memo ? seem to be spot on in browsing web.

I just did a little discovery. When I touch the screen either with one finger of my other hand or with part of the hand which holds the pen TOGETHER with S Pen, the accuracy is much better then by touching the screen solely by S Pen. Tested with default stylus and some OEM Lifebook tablet PC stylus. Both behave better when I rest my palm on screen while drawing/writting.

cube48 said:
I just did a little discovery. When I touch the screen either with one finger of my other hand or with part of the hand which holds the pen TOGETHER with S Pen, the accuracy is much better then by touching the screen solely by S Pen. Tested with default stylus and some OEM Lifebook tablet PC stylus. Both behave better when I rest my palm on screen while drawing/writting.
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Are you sure you aren't just holding the pen at a slightly different angle when doing that? The way you hold the pen makes quite a big difference to the accuracy in my experience.

I think that the precision of the pen is perfect.
I think it's wrong yours handle
not using the pen perpendicular ...
try to held the s-pen as a real pen (inclined) and you'll find it very precise.
you must use it as you use one pen with a sheet of paper
I don't think you write with the pen perpendicular the book...

Elenkis said:
Are you sure you aren't just holding the pen at a slightly different angle when doing that? The way you hold the pen makes quite a big difference to the accuracy in my experience.
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The angle definitely impacts the precision. As written above the usual 'paper and pen' holding is the best and also the upward pen button orientation helps. But somehow I get even more precise results when touching the screen.

I just get a my replacement of galaxy note from the shop due to the screeen problem in my last phone.
I am quite frustrated because I found that my s pen really needs calibration. My last galaxy note, although the screen had problem, it didn't have any calibration problem that the s pen is so accurate. So unhappy
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SNiiPE_DoGG said:
It's supposed to be off, that's why you set it for left and right handed so you can see what your doing.
All you need to do is get used to it.
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It should get used to me, not the other way round.
I'm left-handed, and many left handers have different ways of holding pens due to smudge-avoidance habits. Setting the phone to "left handed" may suit some lefties, but not me.
What's so difficult about allowing personal calibration, Samsung?

I've found my pen is inaccurate too, unless you're holding it and using it like a pen and not a stylus... If that makes sense?
If you use it like a traditional stylus on resistive touch screen and expect the point of the stylus to be exactly where it hits the screen regardless of pen angle then it'll always appear to be very inaccurate. But if you treat it more like a normal pen and hold it at a normal handwriting angle and except the mark to appear where the tip of the pencil would be in that position its just fine.
Change your mindset: This is a standard pencil, not a stylus. Once you treat it like a normal pencil/pen and use it like you normally do handwriting instead of as a stylus poking at the screen you'll find its very good.

mine also a bit off its upper then the actual touch point.
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erlz said:
mine also a bit off its upper then the actual touch point.
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Mine too. I really think this was a deliberate move by Samsung. More like a pencil/pen than a stylus.

daxmedflax said:
Mine too. I really think this was a deliberate move by Samsung. More like a pencil/pen than a stylus.
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This. It's supposed to be this way, to make writing more natural. Not a flaw, but I do wish there was an option to disable it. Maybe a mod in the future will enable us to.
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Unsinkable II said:
It should get used to me, not the other way round.
I'm left-handed, and many left handers have different ways of holding pens due to smudge-avoidance habits. Setting the phone to "left handed" may suit some lefties, but not me.
What's so difficult about allowing personal calibration, Samsung?
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Fully agreed - we should be able to calibrate it. and it should definitely get used to us and not the other way around!!!!
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kebong said:
This. It's supposed to be this way, to make writing more natural. Not a flaw, but I do wish there was an option to disable it. Maybe a mod in the future will enable us to.
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It seems like a flaw to me. When I use it towards the center of the screen it seems OK, as I get closer to the edges it drifts off center. It certainly looks like a calibration bug to me.

same issue, need to hold it like a pen

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19491160
Check out this thread
I posted a rather long thing about the accuracy issue.
Basically, there's a set offset based on left/right handedness, which will change depending on the orientation of the screen. If the angle at which you write moves outside of what Samsung deems "normal" then it becomes horribly inaccurate.

Everyone is trying to stick up for and justify this pen problem...if this is the case, how come other drawing programs on the note aren't nearly as bad?

dots on screen ?

i was looking on one device on the bestbuy store and when i was
deflecting the device i could notice the a matrix of spots/dots on screen
that never disappear only if i hold the device in some angle it would be not noticeable...
so i wanted to ask:
1. Am I the only one that saw that?!
2. if i will put a protect cover on screen it will make this dots/spots not seen?

Perfectly normal. The glass is supposed to be Gorilla, so I wouldn't even bother with a protector.
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why is that normal ?
i haven't saw that on a PlayBook or a iPad or a Samsubg tab...
so why is this normal ?!

That's the grid for the capacitive touch sensor. On some devices it's more visible than others. I guess Amazon is using one of the more visible ones on the Fire.

Since this is bothering me very much, do you think if i would apply over it a protector it would be non-visible ?

Eh I can't see it on mine at all. Maybe It's just the display.
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Since this is bothering me very much, do you think if i would apply over it a protector it would be non-visible ?
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I doubt it, but you can try. FWIW, I can see the dots, but they only appear at an angle with certain glare on the screen. Doesn't bother me.

It's normal. You most likely noticed it due to light reflecting on it at a certain angle. My ipad had those, and my touchpad has them. I don't notice it unless the screen is off and its held at an off angle with a good amount of light reflecting off the surface. You don't notice it while it's on.

This was VERY visible on my Nexus One, but isn't on my Sensation. It's back on the Kindle, but you only notice it when.the screen is off. It depends on the display, and I think the more reflective the screen, the less you see.
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It has both dots and also a grid matrix. You can see it on every one, just have to turn the unit *just so* to see it.

My understanding from a post on Amazon about the device is that its not a capacitve or resistive touch screen but an infrared touch screen.
Confirmed myself that it is not capacitive as you can touch it with anything and it responds, where my iphone and Captivate do not.
Food for thought. Has anyone else heard of an IR touchscreen before?

Ive always been able to see the dots on every touch device I've owned. Just requires the right angle and light.
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gd1147 said:
My understanding from a post on Amazon about the device is that its not a capacitve or resistive touch screen but an infrared touch screen.
Confirmed myself that it is not capacitive as you can touch it with anything and it responds, where my iphone and Captivate do not.
Food for thought. Has anyone else heard of an IR touchscreen before?
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Yeah, they're just rarely used, because the technology has only been reasonably cheap/simple for a few years (iirc), whereas capacitative and resistant touchscreens have been around for much, much longer.
Also, touching the screen with a pen lid doesn't do anything for me. You sure it works with *anything*? I got it to work with a piece of moleskin, though, so... maybe it's just certain things?

mewshi said:
Yeah, they're just rarely used, because the technology has only been reasonably cheap/simple for a few years (iirc), whereas capacitative and resistant touchscreens have been around for much, much longer.
Also, touching the screen with a pen lid doesn't do anything for me. You sure it works with *anything*? I got it to work with a piece of moleskin, though, so... maybe it's just certain things?
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Was just able to unlock using a paper napkin folded three times to make sure it wasn't skin touching anywhere. Tried with my leather wallet and it didn't react. Very strange. Also tried a microfiber cleaning cloth, didn't react on my iphone or captivate but worked on my fire. Wheird.

gd1147 said:
My understanding from a post on Amazon about the device is that its not a capacitve or resistive touch screen but an infrared touch screen.
Confirmed myself that it is not capacitive as you can touch it with anything and it responds, where my iphone and Captivate do not.
Food for thought. Has anyone else heard of an IR touchscreen before?
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The Kindle with the IR touch screen is the Kindle Touch, which uses the IR touch screen because capacitive touch screens aren't available for the E-Ink screen yet. IR touch screens work by shooting IR lasers across the screen in a grid format, so a touch would trip IR lasers, and which lasers are tripped can be used to calculate where the touch is in. That's what they use on the Nook Simple Touch, too. I remember my old car built-in GPS was an IR touch screen. You could trick it by blocking the IR receivers.
Nowadays, most LED touch screens are capacitive, which is what's on the Kindle Fire (the reason why there's dots on the screen - I think they're the sensors that measure the capacitance to calculate the location of the touch).

6.3" screen on the Note 3!? Some thoughts and perspectives:

Personally, after having done a little number crunching, I don't think it's really all too far fetched to imagine the Note 3 having a 6.3" screen, assuming certain things happen. Here's my thinking:
The physical dimensions of the current Note 2 (not the screen) are 151mm tall by 80.5mm wide, which yields a hypotenuse of ~173.3mm.
A ~6.3" (160mm diag) 16:9 ratio screen would be about 139.5mm tall by ~78.4mm wide, which can just about squeeze into the current body's form factor, if you remove the physical buttons and go with a ~1mm bezel on the sides (compared to the current ~5.7mm bezel).
A ~1mm bezel is insane, and honestly I doubt it's a realistic expectation. However, if the Note 3 returns to the original Note's width of ~83mm, that would make room for a ~2.3mm bezel on a 6.3" screen. That's still insanely thin, but maybe just about doable.
Now, here's another thing to consider: Screen Resolution.
As it currently stands, it's much easier to make a higher resolution LCD display than an AMOLED display (which is why our 5.55" AMOLED displays are only 720p when there are 5" 1080p LCD's). It's currently difficult for AMOLED to match those levels of pixel density before running into quality issues like we've seen in previous AMOLED generations. That's to be expected; AMOLED technology is still relatively new compared to LCD, so we're still working on perfecting it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we've yet seen an RGB (not PenTile) AMOLED display break the 300ppi barrier yet. So far, the Note 2's display has the highest RGB pixel density that we've ever seen yet (again, the key here is RGB, not PenTile).
If the Note 3 has a 6.3" screen, and if indeed it's going to be 1080p, then that would mean a pixel density of ~350ppi. I believe that jumping from the current ~265ppi (RGB) to ~350ppi (RBG) is incredibly significant, and possibly unrealistic actually... So this, to me, suggests one of two likely possibilities:
A.) A 6.3" 1080p PenTile display.
or
B.) An RGB (using the current sub-pixel layout in the Note 2) display, but at lower than 1080p resolution; perhaps something like 1600x900 instead.
Option B would yield a ~291ppi density, and seems like a realistic and reasonable improvement from the current generation.
Either option is seems like a reasonable possibility, however, in my personal opinion, I would bet that the 1080p PenTile option seems more likely.
So, to sum everything up, here's what I would predict for the Note 3 for dimensions and screen:
Chassis:
151 - 155 mm Height
83 - 85 mm Width
8 - 10 mm Depth
Buttonless/Full touch screen design
Screen:
6.3" (160mm) Diagonal, 16:9
1080p PenTile SAMOLED (More likely)
or
1600x900 RGB SAMOLED (Less likely)
maybe
1080p RGB SAMOLED (Least likely, but who knows!)
I know a lot of this may have been boring, but I hope it was informative, and perhaps brings some more clarity to the rumors that have been floating around.
Let me know your thoughts!

My thoughts are there is already a thread about this.
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i would really want a non pentile screen and a 1080p screen...

Nice thorough post.
I personally won't buy a larger form factor. So, whatever the max screen size is within the current physical dimension is what it should be.
If the form factor goes larger I might as well buy a 7" tablet.

Most said that the Note 2 size was too large.
After, was considered a normal phone size for them.
Note 3, might have the same procedure.

My thoughts are that if it actually turns out to be 6.3" then they better call it 'Galaxy tab mini'

The note 2's screen at first was a bit of a handful but I've gotten used to it now I've had it for a few months but 6.3".....that's a bit over the top in my opinion.
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If the display isn't downgrade from rgb, and is close to 6inches without much dimensions bigger then i will upgrade to it.
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The problem with a 6.3" device, IMO, would be:
Should one hold it like a phone (one-handed) or like a tablet (two-handed)?
I guess the design of the device should hold the answer (bevel and of course dimensions).
I believe this is yet again a wait-and-see moment for Samsung. When the original Note was launched, everyone had their comments. But the sales proved, one way or another, that "phablet" is feasible. 5.3" isn't really too big! Now we stretched it to 5.5" and the sales are now even stronger! So if they can find a way to make the user experience feasible for a 6.3" phone-tablet hybrid (or whatever marketing they employ for that device), then who's to say now that it's good or not?
I'm happy with my 5.5" Note II. If the Note III proves to be successful at 6.3", that's a nice feat. But I'm sticking to my Note II (for the next two years!)

I'd prefer if Samsung stuck with physical buttons as soft keys on screen take up a lot of real estate. It would be a waste to have a large screen that has a 1/2" row permanently used by buttons.
Not to mention that soft keys get in the way of gaming and are often inadvertently pressed.
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Simple..
Penta-Core Processor
3 Gigabyte of RAM
..
Profit!
I don't know why but I want it..

EP2008 said:
I'd prefer if Samsung stuck with physical buttons as soft keys on screen take up a lot of real estate. It would be a waste to have a large screen that has a 1/2" row permanently used by buttons.
Not to mention that soft keys get in the way of gaming and are often inadvertently pressed.
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My thoughts are there is already a thread about this.
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I respectfully disagree. Whereas the other thread talking about the Note III merely links to an outside source regarding potential screen size, and then asks the simple "Will you buy it?" question, my thread here, though on a related topic, goes into much greater detail behind the speculations for the Note III, and encourages a much broader discussion about the screen technology in particular.

If Samsung does go with a 6.3" screen design for the Note III, I hope that they finally stop using the Phone UI across the whole platform and instead go with something more like the Phablet UI (like on the Nexus 7). Maybe even incorporate certain PA features like per-app-density and per-app-layout etc.

Gof fig they would want to make it bigger. :silly: I like the 5.5 and would love to see them work bettering the guts of the phone. More power!!!!!!!!!

EP2008 said:
I'd prefer if Samsung stuck with physical buttons as soft keys on screen take up a lot of real estate. It would be a waste to have a large screen that has a 1/2" row permanently used by buttons.
Not to mention that soft keys get in the way of gaming and are often inadvertently pressed.
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great

I like idea of a bigger screen, but remember the Note 1 was uncomfortable to hold (in one hand) for me. Although the Note 2 was only slightly narrower it was a massive difference and I have never had issues holding it in one hand. The slight curvature change also helped here. 6" might be my comfort limit

No thanks

Jade Eyed Wolf said:
So, to sum everything up, here's what I would predict for the Note 3 for dimensions and screen:
Chassis:
151 - 155 mm Height
83 - 85 mm Width
8 - 10 mm Depth
Buttonless/Full touch screen design
Screen:
6.3" (160mm) Diagonal, 16:9
1080p PenTile SAMOLED (More likely)
or
1600x900 RGB SAMOLED (Less likely)
maybe
1080p RGB SAMOLED (Least likely, but who knows!)
I know a lot of this may have been boring, but I hope it was informative, and perhaps brings some more clarity to the rumors that have been floating around.
Let me know your thoughts!
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Firstly IMHO I think they would keep their button layout. They are trying to make their product lineup using standard elements.
Secondly, I doubt that they would go back to pentile AMOLED. they have faced too much heat with that piece of tech. And also doing 1080p on a non-pentile AMOLED is way tough for a new tech like it is. So lower res is the way they'll go.
Other than that I agree with your predictions.

The phone is already too big for most people.. would be crazy if they make the phone any bigger.

[Q] Best stylus for drawing?

I've been looking for awhile for a stylus that performs like as if it's a wacom pen. So I can draw freely and have control of my brush. Is there anything like that? Can the N10 perform like that even? There's tons of information about the iPad and I'm really sick of it. I'd really appreciate it in advance.

Rinqt said:
I've been looking for awhile for a stylus that performs like as if it's a wacom pen. So I can draw freely and have control of my brush. Is there anything like that? Can the N10 perform like that even? There's tons of information about the iPad and I'm really sick of it. I'd really appreciate it in advance.
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I do not think you can get what you want with the Nexus 10 screen technology. The lag and inaccuracy will hurt the experience. One of the tablets that includes the Wacom SCREEN technology along with the pen is what you want.

3DSammy said:
I do not think you can get what you want with the Nexus 10 screen technology. The lag and inaccuracy will hurt the experience. One of the tablets that includes the Wacom SCREEN technology along with the pen is what you want.
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Well, not literally will I be using it as a tablet source for drawings for pc if that's what you mean? I got sketch pad pro and wanted to be more effective at controlling the brush and such.

I've tried to do effective Sketchbook Pro sketching on everything from an iPad2 to a Nexus 10 to an Xperia Table Z and have never been satisfied with the experience. There was no pressure sensitivity and the lag always killed the flow. Even that platonic "best" stylus can't overcome the deficiencies of the Nexus 10 (and most other tablets).
You might want to look into the new Toshiba Excite Write (same resolution as Nexus 10 but $100 more expensive) or a Samsung Note tablet (much lower resolution but cheaper). Both species actually do have Wacom digitizer screens (so pressure sensitive) and come with a compatible stylus.
Personally, I'm going to try the Toshiba Write and see if that new Tegra 4 processor can eliminate the stylus lag.

TellTenPeople said:
I've tried to do effective Sketchbook Pro sketching on everything from an iPad2 to a Nexus 10 to an Xperia Table Z and have never been satisfied with the experience. There was no pressure sensitivity and the lag always killed the flow. Even that platonic "best" stylus can't overcome the deficiencies of the Nexus 10 (and most other tablets).
You might want to look into the new Toshiba Excite Write (same resolution as Nexus 10 but $100 more expensive) or a Samsung Note tablet (much lower resolution but cheaper). Both species actually do have Wacom digitizer screens (so pressure sensitive) and come with a compatible stylus.
Personally, I'm going to try the Toshiba Write and see if that new Tegra 4 processor can eliminate the stylus lag.
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Ah, Ok. Well my tablet was inherited to me. So, still trying to tinker and such. But thank you for the insight.