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My nenamark score, am I crazy?

Yesterday I installed nenamark on my nexus one and ran my first benchmark, and I swear I got 30.1 fps. I specifically noted that it was spot on with movie frame rates.
Every subsequent test I've run I only get around 16fps. Perhaps 30 is way too high for the nexus one's hardware. But did I just imagine my original score or did I actually get that high? What's the highest score we've seen on the nexus one?

Why not just open it again and on the main screen it says what the highest recorded score it...
That'll tell you what your best score it. Also i maxed out on 16.2FPS :-/

Yeah my best run says 17 so I guess I imagined it. But I could have sworn I saw it. Oh well...

It was allllll just a dream ;p

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42.8 fps nenamark
Galaxy S Captivate

Couldn't using one of these newer kernels with updated GPU drivers be helping?

I got 17.5 fps. Not bad for a year old 1 GHz superphone
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I just got a 22f p s yesterday if you believe it. Same exact kernel and all and it shows up in my high score at least.

My one is 22.3fps, without any tweaks, cleans e.t.c
Miui + wildmonks kernel.

16.4 on the N1 (CM 6.1.1), 36.5 on the galaxy tab
Edit: Remembered I'd underclocked my CPU, ramped it up to 1113Mhz and got 22.9fps. (Which I can't duplicate, can only hit 22.3fps now)

Tell you what, 22 isn't too bad considering this hardware.
My question is how does windows phone 7 devices, that all use the same CPU combo as the nexus one, get silky smooth scrolling thru the entire OS, including very large web pages etc. Do they just use that much better drivers? It definitely shows its possible and the potential.

Lower Quadrant Score With New ROM

So I flashed Skyraider today, and my quadrant score dropped 100 points from stock sense. What the hell is going on here....

The Black Droid said:
So I flashed Skyraider today, and my quadrant score dropped 100 points from stock sense. What the hell is going on here....
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Sitting at 1032. With the stock ROM, I was getting around 1120.
Why are these scores so low???

Q scores || ROMs
Quadrant scores vary by ROM and kernel, and by different kernels in the same ROM.
Those scores are expected to vary.

Quadrant scores, don't take those to heart... It's all about feel. I've run roms where they might score low, but feel and move quick.
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I just don't understand how some of these guys have anywhere from 2700-3300 as their quad score. I would imagine their phones are running insanely fast

Maybe, they are most likely overclocking. Some phones don't like going too high. Like on mine, I can't go over 1.113, or my phone slows to a crawl and locks up/reboots.
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The Black Droid said:
I just don't understand how some of these guys have anywhere from 2700-3300 as their quad score. I would imagine their phones are running insanely fast
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Where have you seen people post these scores for their Inc?
I'm willing to bet good money that if you are seeing people post scores that high, they are either:
A. Not running Quadrant from an Inc but a much more powerful device (like an Android tablet)
B. Faking the results in Photoshop (or just lying about the number if no screenshot is provided)
C. Running a setup that doesn't actually run through the Quadrant test properly. For example, Quadrant didn't run properly on Gingerbread roms at first, and the scores that it would produce were extremely erratic. Sometimes they would be extremely low, sometimes they would be extremely high, but they weren't accurate or repeatable.
D. Running some sort of insane setup that is only stable enough to finish a Quadrant run, and will never actually be used for anything
Frankly, even D is far-fetched.
I would be inclined to call a 100 point fluctuation in Quadrant scores insignificant.
If you really want to chase the highest benchmark scores, you'll need to overclock your CPU and run the system as lean as possible. That means uninstalling or disabling a lot of the things that make your life easier day-to-day.
Also, in case you haven't already seen it in your own testing, Quadrant scores are always lowest on the first run. If you press the back button and immediately start a new Quadrant run, you'll get a much higher score.
Like any unit of measurement, Quadrant scores do serve a useful purpose. But as is often the case when the score itself is seen by some as the end-goal, it is often misapplied.
The same can be seen in digital cameras and the megapixel arms race. Everyone wants to brag about how many megapixels their camera is capable of. Everyone wants the highest number of megapixels, assuming that more MP = better image. Few people realize what it actually means, or why it matters very little these days.

A lot of those people are overclocking to get really high scores and for all the reasons listed above (nice post!).
You really should not be looking to get that high on the incredible, you'll end up draining your battery like crazy. Around the 1,000 mark is great for playing higher-end games on the market as long as you aren't running a bunch of things in the background. Just about anything else you can think up of doing on your phone should run well, you won't have a sluggish device and you won't be killing your battery either.
If you do end up trying to overclock your phone or using a ROM or kernel combination that will give you a much higher score I don't think you'll notice any difference when doing anything on your phone, but your battery will drop much quicker.
Like other people have said, Quad scores don't matter much- take them lightly as you see them.

There is a lot that goes into that score. The highest score I could get today is 1656 but it was consistently in the Upper 1500s, I ran 5 tests.
My setup:
CM7 RC2
Incredikernel 03/06 OC to 1113Mhz/Performance Govenor
16Gb Class 2 microSD card.
If someone is using a class 4 or a class 6 card their i/o scores could be much higher than mine which would result in a much higher overall score than mine. Also keep in mind with Linux Kernels can very alot and that there are different types of task schedulers in them such as BFS or CFS which can have dramatic affect on the quadrent scores. Quadrent tends to score BFS kernels higher. So yeah I can believe people are hitting most of the score they post up. However byrong is right about it not being a setup you'd want to use on a daily basis. For me it causes random reboots, my phone gets hot and the UI becomes laggy after a little while also the battery drops like a brick.
My normal setup that I run on a daily basis is the same kernel uc to 803Mhz/smartass governor. It is extremely stable and is smooth as butter but my quadrent scores are only only in the 1100s with my high being 1244.
Its really not all about the score, if your happy with the performance who cares about the score.

3.1 Quadrant drop

After updating to 3.1 I ran a few quadrant tests and instead of the 2000-2100 scores i normally get i am not getting 1500-1600 ... Usually updates boost performance not lower it

so i guess that begs the question: is your TF's performance lower?

Dark lord me said:
After updating to 3.1 I ran a few quadrant tests and instead of the 2000-2100 scores i normally get i am not getting 1500-1600 ... Usually updates boost performance not lower it
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I noticed this too... BUT... the system seems a lot faster and more responsive, so i guess scores arent everything.

For sure score isn't everything, even more with quadrant.
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quadrant came out and has not been updated since the nexus 1 got 2.2. so its kind of flawed and old. current best benchmark is either Vellamo or AnTuTu

Vellamo is a web browser benchmark IIRC, where as Quadrant is a CPU/GPU benchmark. I dont know about the other one you mentioned.
15xx is pretty damn low, I'm getting around 35xx with Quadrant at 1.5 GHz. Check your clockspeed in setcpu to make sure nothing is out of wack.

mrevankyle said:
quadrant came out and has not been updated since the nexus 1 got 2.2. so its kind of flawed and old. current best benchmark is either Vellamo or AnTuTu
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Or CF Bench
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Or actually using the tablet. If it seems faster when you use it, its better. Benchmarks are pretty useless, especially since they can be skewed or manipulated

quadrant is a horrible benchmark. there are hacks and tweaks to get you stupid high scores.

Wierd i get2 2600

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Or actually using the tablet. If it seems faster when you use it, its better. Benchmarks are pretty useless, especially since they can be skewed or manipulated
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That's dumb. I clearly spent 400 dollars so I can get my electronics to tell me that I am cool. If my number is lower, then I am not cool.
sassafras

My quadrant is 1.7 not rooted or anything. I must say this tab runs extremely fast and I have no problems with it minus apps crashing once in a blue moon. If quadrant ment something my vibrant has 2.2k and it still doesn't run as smooth as my tab
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Dark lord me said:
After updating to 3.1 I ran a few quadrant tests and instead of the 2000-2100 scores i normally get i am not getting 1500-1600 ... Usually updates boost performance not lower it
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I too used to be quadrant this or that using it as a gauge...then after I owned a few android devices...I came to the conclusion...its a piece of ****... First its inaccurate...my EVO. 3d is way faster then my color nookut yet I get better scores with the nook...same with the tf...second...it uses testing methods that can be cheated by some settings...hardware stuff..3rd...if you run it 3 times...you will usually get 3 different darn scores that range widely. To me using is the best test...not benchmarks..however if you need to use this as a guage...do it...but be warned...for real life...it don't mean anything

sassafras_ said:
That's dumb. I clearly spent 400 dollars so I can get my electronics to tell me that I am cool. If my number is lower, then I am not cool.
sassafras
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It's not dumb when the software is deeply, deeply flawed....quadrant that is.

life64x said:
It's not dumb when the software is deeply, deeply flawed....quadrant that is.
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I think your sarcasm meter is broken.
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Quadrant is broken because it doesn't weight different aspects of the benchmark equally. The Nexus One has a terrible GPU but a fast CPU, so it gets decent scores. The BN Nook Color has a mediocre CPU and a decent GPU so it scores better than the N1 even though the N1 is clearly the superior device.
Changing the file system to something journaled can bump your Quadrant score a few hundred points, which is dumb.
The ideal benchmark would somehow score in a way that represented the overall user experience. Unfortunately, no such benchmark exists for Android. Until then, it's just these pieces of crap that only exist so teenagers can show off their e-peen on the internet.
sassafras

sassafras_ said:
I think your sarcasm meter is broken.
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Quadrant is broken because it doesn't weight different aspects of the benchmark equally. The Nexus One has a terrible GPU but a fast CPU, so it gets decent scores. The BN Nook Color has a mediocre CPU and a decent GPU so it scores better than the N1 even though the N1 is clearly the superior device.
Changing the file system to something journaled can bump your Quadrant score a few hundred points, which is dumb.
The ideal benchmark would somehow score in a way that represented the overall user experience. Unfortunately, no such benchmark exists for Android. Until then, it's just these pieces of crap that only exist so teenagers can show off their e-peen on the internet.
sassafras
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I was saying that!!! I figured from your first reply...if you spent 400 it should be off the chain for the score. Quadrant is deeply, deeply flawed. If I mis-read your reply then it is my fault but I was not using sarcasm or being flippant but just stating what we both said.

life64x said:
I was saying that!!! I figured from your first reply...if you spent 400 it should be off the chain for the score. Quadrant is deeply, deeply flawed. If I mis-read your reply then it is my fault but I was not using sarcasm or being flippant but just stating what we both said.
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he wasn't accusing you if being sarcastic, he was being sarcastic.
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Thanks, my bad. I am a optimist and thought my pessimist came out... With only a couple hours sleep my mind plays tricks on me. Oh well, go back to watching dune...I would have used my gom jabber( watch dune to know what I mean).

Only thing worst than benchmark nerds are benchmark nerds who are stupid enough to still be using quadrant software that's over a year old and is not optimized for dualcore or honeycomb.

1.3/1.4GHz+

I keep hearing about people running their nooks at 1.3 or 1.4 but I can't find a kernel. Any help here?

I've been a member a long time and I know that bumping your own thread is not generally accepted, however, I have reason to believe that this device can bump WAY past the current speeds. For one, I have read articles claiming 2800 on Quad at 1.3 and that 1.4 kernels were being worked on and two - even under the HEAVIEST load, while charging no less, my phone hits 38C on the battery. My brand spanking new Sensation hits 47C when its charging and being used!

While it IS possable to overclock to 1.3+ ghz, it is not usually advised. I run CM7 7.1 rc1 and have dalengrins overclock rom dated 06/18 it has been my experience that speeds over 1.2 ghz reduce the stability of the nook and can cause strange behaviour. My quadrant scores at the above mentioned 1.2 average between 2550 and 2875. Considering these scores are almost 3 times the score of a stock rooted nook, I have no problem with the speed. The only time my nook reaches those speeds is when I am playing games from the tegrazone areas. Currently, I have 3 "tegra only" games running quite well. For a 7 inch e-reader, I believe that is acceptable.
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Moshe5368 said:
While it IS possable to overclock to 1.3+ ghz, it is not usually advised. I run CM7 7.1 rc1 and have dalengrins overclock rom dated 06/18 it has been my experience that speeds over 1.2 ghz reduce the stability of the nook and can cause strange behaviour. My quadrant scores at the above mentioned 1.2 average between 2550 and 2875. Considering these scores are almost 3 times the score of a stock rooted nook, I have no problem with the speed. The only time my nook reaches those speeds is when I am playing games from the tegrazone areas. Currently, I have 3 "tegra only" games running quite well. For a 7 inch e-reader, I believe that is acceptable.
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I thank you for the response and I understand your concern, however, I have been able to undervolt an extra 100mV off of the voltage at 1200MHz with 15 runs of Quadrant and no freezing and would like to use the wiggle room that I have. I undervolted by 200mV and ended up running 6 before it froze so obviously this is one of the better chips as far as overclocking.
That said, it beats my Sensation's 1.2GHz out of the box which says a lot. My Sensation at 1.2GHz is about 1900 and I feel this processor can go farther.
We also need new drivers for the SGX530. There is NO reason why it should be running 9 FPS average at stock AND overclocked on the simplest bench on Quad (the planet and moon test which fragments and everything).
I'm about to pay for Chainfire's app so that I can see if Pinball 3D will run on here... if it does and its smoother than on my G2x which HAS a Tegra and misses my input a LOT then I will be more than happy.
Its really more for bragging rights than anything to have this thing clocked clock-for-clock with the new gen "dualcores" and have it whip their asses honestly LOL

[Q] Benchmark extremely low?

No matter how i try i usually get 12k on AnTuTu
my highest was 14k
Im lower than HoX and in the chart Nexus 4 shows 18k...
Anyone knows why mine is that much lower?
Is this a defect or what?
Some guy says ignore it benchmarks mean nothing but its not like im just a little bit lower...
It is 4-6k difference :S
Isn't that strange considering other people with the same device score 18k?

ruzkay said:
No matter how i try i usually get 12k on AnTuTu
my highest was 14k
Im lower than HoX and in the chart Nexus 4 shows 18k...
Anyone knows why mine is that much lower?
Is this a defect or what?
Some guy says ignore it benchmarks mean nothing but its not like im just a little bit lower...
It is 4-6k difference :S
Isn't that strange considering other people with the same device score 18k?
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Is your phone laging, running slower other then the benchmarks? Also we need more info like what kernel/rom are you running.

What ROM/kernel are you running, what temperature was your phone at? Is there any apps running in background?
If a freshly installed stock ROM, with only AnTuTu installed, and you score 30% less than other Nexus 4 in benchmarking, then yes, there is a reason to worry about
Edit: for the record, I tried AnTuTu when I just got my N4, and always scored lower than their reference N4.
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I tried on these setups:
Stock with stock kernel
Stock with faux kernel
AOKP with included kernel
i just tried again with a fresh install of stock and scored 14,5k
well its still 3,5k difference what can I do about that any idea?
edit: basically what im worried about is that the only scores i see around my score are people with severely underclocked devices (600 MHz, 700 MHz)
seems like im the only one :S

Benchmarks mean nothing. Don't bother looking at them.

zephiK said:
Benchmarks mean nothing. Don't bother looking at them.
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if they dont mean anything then why do they exist?
I'm not worried about scoring low, I'm worried about scoring considerably lower than the exact same device.
There must somehow be a reason for it I guess?
Meh nvm I'm just sad that mine is possibly the weakest Nexus 4 on the planet get only 18 fps in that lighning 3d test with the 2 characters fighting...
e: please close this thread it was a stupid question to ask I guess I'm sorry

OP:
I am sorry to hear your frustration. Did you check your CPU binning yet? I can't recall how my phone perform on the AnTuTu test, but maybe you can try to measure fps when you play *actual* game?
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Benchmarks mean nothing. Don't bother looking at them.
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Even Chainfire makes benchmark app. I would love to see how you tell Chainfire that his app means nothing. That would make a really interesting conversation with lots of good stuffs to learn
From my point of view, benchmark does not tell real world performance, however it is a wildly used, totally valid tool to compare *hardware* performance. After all, benchmarking (or hardware profilling, to be precise) is what separate a 1.2GHz CPU from a 1.5GHz CPU of identical architecture, isn't it? I'll take the 1.5GHz one even if it means nothing from your point of view
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I always get around mid to high 17k, sometimes 18... bone stock... Your situation is interesting to say the least...

I see the note II with 24k despite the fact it has quad A9s... This is why you should ignore the benchmarks.
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Sounds like you may be thermal throttling. As a test, out your phone in a zip lock bag in the freezer for 10 minutes and then repeat the benchmark.

mattb3 said:
Sounds like you may be thermal throttling. As a test, out your phone in a zip lock bag in the freezer for 10 minutes and then repeat the benchmark.
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wow i knew of thermal throttling but didn't think it kicks in in only 1 benchmark!
yes thats it! i tried the benchmark while putting the phone on a very cool surface (glass desk)
and it scored 17k the 1k difference left is redundant i think^^
KyraOfFire said:
OP:
I am sorry to hear your frustration. Did you check your CPU binning yet? I can't recall how my phone perform on the AnTuTu test, but maybe you can try to measure fps when you play *actual* game?
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i don't usually do gaming but i tried dead trigger just for testing
it does have some fps drops sometimes but it is totally playable
but wow now i know this device can get EXTREMELY hot, good thing im not a gamer cause i like the feeling of cold class^^
well thanks all guess its normal then!