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Rant

I've been lurking here for awhile and only recently have been paying close attention since getting an EVO. This is a general rant and obviously cant be applied to every person and Im not saying at all that the forum is not a good resource but....
This forum is by far THE worst i have seen with reposts and redundant questions. Its ridiculous... you get literally 10 threads on the first page with the same topic, and within a thread you get the same question being asked and answered literally 3 posts away from the last time. How is a forum that is supposed to be technical THIS bad with simple reading!?
Threads are basically useless past the first post because because its hundreds of pages of repeated questions after.
For god's sake people, READ. I dont care how excites you are about finding out something everyone else already knew, check to see if theres a thread already. And stop asking questions that have been answered a hundred times already.
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I agree 100%!
I think when you first sign up there should be like a 4 day waiting period before you are allowed your first post. This way, either they will start reading and find the solution or leave and we won't have to worry about it.
EDIT: I know this doesn't apply to people already registered but most are people with low post counts who post repeated topics.

churchwin88 said:
I agree 100%!
I think when you first sign up there should be like a 4 day waiting period before you are allowed your first post. This way, either they will start reading and find the solution or leave and we won't have to worry about it.
EDIT: I know this doesn't apply to people already registered but most are people with low post counts who post repeated topics.
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That is a pretty good idea you just came up with there!

Frankly this forum has turned to trash which is why most of the serious posters don't even bother with it.

Aridon said:
Frankly this forum has turned to trash which is why most of the serious posters don't even bother with it.
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Then where do those serious posters post?

yeah there are waaay to many people who basically just want someone else to do everything for them, and dont want to actually search for themselves. frankly i think its US the people who know how to use a forum properly, that should NOT be paying attention to these people. i wish people would just not respond to all those lazy people who just want to be spoonfed on what to do. if you think our evo forum is bad lol imagine if we had an IPHONE forum LOL

Freelancerx said:
if you think our evo forum is bad lol imagine if we had an IPHONE forum LOL
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Thanks, now I am going to have nightmares.

yeah i mean i pretty much almost never go into the Q&A section, and general section because 90% of whats in there is a bunch "i dont know how to do this please tell me how" probably because those people never finished their freshman year in college and actually learned how to do proper research... but oh well, i mean the only forum i check is the development one, it seems to slowly be getting better and better. very slowly.

I agree with the OP, however, this is simply a side effect from the forum hitting the mainstream. At almost 3 million users, it is simply impossible not to get these kinds of people. The development forum is a lot better though since it's better curated.
I've learned to simply ignore it and move along. Trust me, it could be way worse.

how do i root my phone... I'm kidding of course
sent from satan fone!

I think I know how to clean up the redundant threads a little bit.
The forum administrator could change the input field for naming your new thread into a hidden Google search box!
So then people type their new topic into the box and WHAMMO suddenly there is >3,000,000 solutions right in their face before they even begin to start writing the body of the post.
The thread starter must then click on a minimum number of links from the googled solutions before they are allowed to actually post their question with a new thread!
Problem solved....

Unfortunately, the search in the XDA app sux.
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the problem is it's frustrating for everyone.
and also not to point fingers but there's only one way to really curb the problem.
More information available more easily.
Better more acccurate more updated Wiki or compilation of ALL the basics.
Also, for everyone that starts a thread you need to put in more details, Sometimes I'm amazed at how a developer can master putting everything for the phone together and then post a thread saying..... Here's my rom WEE clicky here, done.
DETAILS install, how to when where what, update and keep things updated.
most of the stuff I can navigate threw myself and thats fine but sometimes theres like 300 pages and your getting no where, if your the thread starter and you add something important to the conversation mid thread, edit your first post.
As far as people posting stupid VERY simple repetitive questions, just try and search it first please, ugh.

I agree with the xda app search sucks.. i get low data speed here in wisconsin usually 30kb/s or under so dont use the internet for the site.. the search should be able to sure certain forums that would help alot of people out who do actually use the search but hard finding it with the app search..
sent from my Evo

Also alot of people dont word the topic right or even have what they are asking about.. like today someone put... help!. Had good info on radios but someone thats looking up the same thing wont run into it.
sent from my Evo

Now that I think about it, the hardest thing to do is run through a 200 page topic and actually pull useful information out of it. An example:
The first 500 replys are:
First!
downloading...
Will DL when I get home...
Downloading now
ect, ect for 500 pages
Then you finally get to the meat of the topic when you no longer see "downloading now" and you start to see "my 4gee's no workie" for another 150 pages only to realize that the answer to all of those questions was in the OP that nobody read!
This cycle goes on and on and it's nearly impossible to gather intelligence from chaos like that.

this is probably the 10th topic about this....just sayin

In your third paragraph, you repeated yourself by saying "because" twice. Practice what you preach. If you think you can do it better, go start your own forum.
I'm just bs'ing/being a smartass. You are okay to have your opinion. I can understand when a person gets in a mood and needs to rant to vent some frustrations. You may also have some valid points.
My parting thought:
It can be said in many different ways. Instead of complaining about something you don't agree with or like, might I make a suggestion to volunteer yourself to make things better. Trying to focus on solutions instead of problems.
Don't get me wrong. I'm no saint. Some people really irritate the crap out of me too, plus, I know I'm not mr personality either.
The mods have their hands full (I'm sure that's an understatement). If you can do your good deed for the day and help out a newb, then you are giving back.
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This forum desperately needs more moderation. I messaged toast over a month ago with this suggestion and offered my help as I have moderated other forums. He never even bothered to respond.
For a tech forum,moderation is the difference between good and lousy. Self policing can only go so far.
As for the search, there is no problem with it. VB is the most popular forum software for a reason. It works very well. Pro tip: 99% of your searches should be title only.

Mad06STi said:
I've been lurking here for awhile and only recently have been paying close attention since getting an EVO. This is a general rant and obviously cant be applied to every person and Im not saying at all that the forum is not a good resource but....
This forum is by far THE worst i have seen with reposts and redundant questions. Its ridiculous... you get literally 10 threads on the first page with the same topic, and within a thread you get the same question being asked and answered literally 3 posts away from the last time. How is a forum that is supposed to be technical THIS bad with simple reading!?
Threads are basically useless past the first post because because its hundreds of pages of repeated questions after.
For god's sake people, READ. I dont care how excites you are about finding out something everyone else already knew, check to see if theres a thread already. And stop asking questions that have been answered a hundred times already.
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The big problem is when people get their EVO, they realize their battery lasts 20 minutes out of the box. They then get on google and try to find out how to increase their battery life. They find an article on some douchebag blog talking about rooting their phone. These people then google rooting their phone and all signs point to XDA. Sometimes they know a guy or have a friend of a friend who told them to "root" their phone, skipping the first step.
This is exactly why there are 100 repeated questions/threads. Everyone is directed to this website from various other websites. So you will get people who want instant answers and don't want to wade through tons of replies/text.

when i turn my phone on....

what does it mean whn it jus shows a phone, a triangle in the middle, and a computer...it doesnt even boot to clockwork or the samsung screen? can this b fixed? this started after odin failed on me

nom303 said:
what does it mean whn it jus shows a phone, a triangle in the middle, and a computer...it doesnt even boot to clockwork or the samsung screen? can this b fixed? this started after odin failed on me
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Sounds like you were trying to revert back to stock. I assume the stuff you are talking about is yellow. If so try to use odin again.

The obvious question to me is, did you try Odin again after it failed? Logic would suggest that if Odin failed I'd have to do it again.

leatherneck6017 said:
The obvious question to me is, did you try Odin again after it failed? Logic would suggest that if Odin failed I'd have to do it again.
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This as well as learning to use Google instead of posting a thread on a forum.

It is because of your tar file on odin.it was two small.try re odin ing it with a tar file of 255 mb or something like that.happened to me before too when I was a super noob but fear not you'll eventually become less of a noob too as time passes
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at first it wouldnt go in to download mode. then tried like 5-6 times and it finally started again...i almost cried lol...seriously tho

thank you so very much guys

kenvan19 said:
This as well as learning to use Google instead of posting a thread on a forum.
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Stuff like this is why this forum is so bad. Why not just help the person out instead of posting search google.

im jus ignore the google guy...the ones that did help, i do appreciate it alot!

mynewepic10 said:
Stuff like this is why this forum is so bad. Why not just help the person out instead of posting search google.
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So we are supposed to write out a detailed explanation to each one of these duplicate threads? I think not. This forum is out of control with this kind of ****. Oh, and talking about being helpful, it's reassuring to see that out of your 321 posts you have been thanked exactly zero times.

mynewepic10 said:
Stuff like this is why this forum is so bad. Why not just help the person out instead of posting search google.
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nom303 said:
im jus ignore the google guy...the ones that did help, i do appreciate it alot!
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Using google first saves you time because its an immediate response, it saves everyone else time having to an a simple question, and it saves our forums from being cluttered. I said nothing rude and I would have answered his question had it not already been answered (which I highlighted with my quote and saying "this"). If you want to respond to my adult advice and response by acting childish, that is your prerogative but I will continue to post help to those who made an effort to get it.

thats i guess meh cool but a simple reply/explaination would have been "flash odin again" instead of repeating the long rant over and over again too. maybe its jus best to leave this place altogether

nom303 said:
thats i guess meh cool but a simple reply/explaination would have been "flash odin again" instead of repeating the long rant over and over again too. maybe its jus best to leave this place altogether
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Maybe before voiding your warranty and messing with your $500 phone you should do some research and be prepared for the plethora of things that can go wrong.

ive been flashing roms since i got it in oct thank u and i havent been so dumb to hit this problem before. i think ive dont fine considering i dont ask for much from this forum but your the pro genius

nom303 said:
ive been flashing roms since i got it in oct thank u and i havent been so dumb to hit this problem before. i think ive dont fine considering i dont ask for much from this forum but your the pro genius
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I believe his point was, however, that before one starts an endeavor that can break a piece of $500 hardware one should generally make sure they understand all of the possible outcomes and how to deal with them which he pointed out that you didn't. He could have said it in a more polite manner but he was correct.

I have ben to this screen when my odin got interupted. Pull the battery for a couple minutes. Hold down the one key on the keyboard and then power on while holding it. This puts you in download mode. Odin back to stock.
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leatherneck6017 said:
So we are supposed to write out a detailed explanation to each one of these duplicate threads? I think not. This forum is out of control with this kind of ****. Oh, and talking about being helpful, it's reassuring to see that out of your 321 posts you have been thanked exactly zero times.
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It appears I have one thanks or maybe I cant count. More than likely since I dont cry about wanting thanks that could be it. The purpose of a forum is to get help. Regardless if the answer could be found on google the forum would not need to exist. I am on one forum and it is the most mature forum there is. I see question repeated over and over again. Even in this case people still answer it like it was asked the first time. If all forums were like that, forums would be a much better place.

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It appears I have one thanks or maybe I cant count. More than likely since I dont cry about wanting thanks that could be it. The purpose of a forum is to get help. Regardless if the answer could be found on google the forum would not need to exist. I am on one forum and it is the most mature forum there is. I see question repeated over and over again. Even in this case people still answer it like it was asked the first time. If all forums were like that, forums would be a much better place.
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LOL what'd you do, pm someone and ask them to thank you? You def had zero when I posted that. You're right, forums are here for help. It is however a two way street. It seems clear that you think it's one way though. You are clearly here to be helped and not TO help.
Sent from my Emotionlessly Bonsai'd Epic 4g.

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It appears I have one thanks or maybe I cant count. More than likely since I dont cry about wanting thanks that could be it. The purpose of a forum is to get help. Regardless if the answer could be found on google the forum would not need to exist. I am on one forum and it is the most mature forum there is. I see question repeated over and over again. Even in this case people still answer it like it was asked the first time. If all forums were like that, forums would be a much better place.
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I do not understand why it is difficult to simply search for an answer. If you cannot find the answer, then post and people will help. As I've stated I do very often provide detailed explanations to people even to those who had not searched for the answer however I always add that in the future they should seek out the answer on their own first. His question had been answered and as such I stated that he should try and figure things out on his own. I have never begged for a "Thanks" and I could care less about them but I have spent hours of my time helping others fix issues and there are many people who can attest to that. Leatherneck has done the same, in fact he has even helped me a few times that I can think of in recent history. On the other hand, the only posts I've seen from you are complaints about other users or asking other users for help. The point of these forums is to allow a place for developers to gather and together fix and hack away at new phones and such, not to aid in every little personal disaster. That is why it is a FORUM RULE to search. A rule for which violators can receive infringements or even bans. By telling people to search, I am not telling them to shut up I am showing people how to be an active member of this community and if you cannot grasp that then your place here is very limited.

Nom glad to help.why you ask you said thank you
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Not your typical rant.......

First off let me say that this is not against Sprint or Samsung (shocker). I know my way around a computer but am no way a developer. Before I ever loaded a rom I read and did my research it took me betweem 24 to 48 hours before I felt confident enough to root and flash and if I had any questions I searched the forums for a solution. Its not hard. Now here comes the complaint. I know they say there are no stupid questions but damn, I see the same question over and over again when there are easily found answers right in front of your face. Don't be lazy and read, no one one here gets paid to answer your questions that have already been answered. I'm not saying there aren't legitimate questions because there are plenty of them and that's not what is bothering me at all. I guess what I'm trying to get at is do the effing research take your time and you will figure it out, and stop asking what is the best rom it is the most worthless question on here because no one can give you the right answer. One more thing if you do run into a problem try and figure it out before running to the computer and then maybe you could actually contribute. That's all sorry for such a long post.
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Couldn't agree more. I've been a longtime member with a very low post count. Unless you're the first or second person to download a rom and notice a secific bug to report, the community is large enough that very rarely do you need to post as someone else already has.
Not to mention its a self perpetuating problem. If less people were posting the same thing 10 times, there would only be 1/10th the amount of posts to read through to find your answer to begin with.
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A lot of people say that, and yeah, people need to do some research first or something...but for some people..they really aren't being lazy or anything, they just really dont know that thats what they are supposed to do.
Let me put it like this..I saw this on my facebook yesterday. Someone I know was asking how somebody got their phone to look they way it did (the guy took a screenshot of his Vibrant with a Gingerbread theme). The guy told him to either ask me or to come to xda. Now, the guy who asked had a Hero and doesnt know what rooting is...he probably doesnt even know how a forum (or really, how this forum) works. So when he gets here, the first thing he'll do is register and make a thread asking that question. Since he'd be a new user, he wouldn't know how many times the question has been asked, hell, he wouldnt even really know where to look. It'd be his only question and to him, he thinks that he'll be able to get the answer and leave and its done.
Now, thats the only time I say we should tolerate such behavior. but for users that have been on here a while and have been posting and contributing, there's no excuse.

Typical rant.
You opened a new thread, clogging the front page just like those you hate.
The words you speak will never truly reach those who don't read before posting... by definition.
Waste of time and space, get over yourself.

Why does this bother people so much. Ignore the threads/questions if you have an issue with them. Some people aren't aware of the resources. Being a prick about it doesn't help. These same rants have been done over and over and over...
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What a SHOCKER! Another typical "non-typical" rant.
But, you know, you're right. No one should be allowed to post until they've read all 3000+ posts in this forum. No one is allowed to ask other's opinions on the best ROM. No one is allowed to think differently than you.
Wanna know why the HTC side is so good? It's not because HTC releases source code (You should have seen the community in the early days before anyone released code). It's because the users are helpful. They contribute. They don't rant.
You, and users like you, are the reason the community is falling apart. Get in there and answer some questions. Contribute. Post to the useful threads so they stay close to the top. Add to the Wiki. Don't sit around and complain. These forums are for everyone, not just you.
You have only 12 posts, and the only thing you can contribute is "restart your phone" or "use a different USB cable?"
Here's my plea for the mods to lock this thread before we spiral out of control. What do you mean, it's too late?

compuw22c said:
If less people were posting the same thing 10 times, there would only be 1/10th the amount of posts to read through to find your answer to begin with.
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Or, you could post a like to the wiki, pointing the noobs in the right direction. Answer the question and the thread falls to the bottom, and useful stuff with high post counts rise to the top.
Here's an example:
"Hey man, totally get where you're coming from. Rooting seems tricky, but it's not. Here's the guides in the wiki. It's got most of your questions answered. The search is useful if you can't find it there. Glad to have you on XDA.
But I guess it's much more useful to post inane responses on useless threads. Crap floats.

ms79723 said:
A lot of people say that, and yeah, people need to do some research first or something...but for some people..they really aren't being lazy or anything, they just really dont know that thats what they are supposed to do.
Let me put it like this..I saw this on my facebook yesterday. Someone I know was asking how somebody got their phone to look they way it did (the guy took a screenshot of his Vibrant with a Gingerbread theme). The guy told him to either ask me or to come to xda. Now, the guy who asked had a Hero and doesnt know what rooting is...he probably doesnt even know how a forum (or really, how this forum) works. So when he gets here, the first thing he'll do is register and make a thread asking that question. Since he'd be a new user, he wouldn't know how many times the question has been asked, hell, he wouldnt even really know where to look. It'd be his only question and to him, he thinks that he'll be able to get the answer and leave and its done.
Now, thats the only time I say we should tolerate such behavior. but for users that have been on here a while and have been posting and contributing, there's no excuse.
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I don't buy that at all. If you've been on the internet more than 10 minutes, searching should always be your first instinct.

flat out, most people just dont even know what to search for, keywords will get you the right information, but also knowing the key words is what is troubling the new people.
I'm also one of those old members with years of lurking experience, because i know to search. But, at the same time, i don't tell people to do it. He'll i barley give advice... Mainly because i just come here, give rep, and get what info I need and then leave.
Let the forums grow i say... the more questions are asked, the easier they can be answered later, because of the keywords aspect. If someone doesnt know the keywords, they will ask a question with wrong ones, and then get corrected. and later down the line, someone searching with the same wrong keywords can find the answer... At least i hope it works out like that, i would like to think it does to some degree...
Anyways... my 2c

The only problem I have with searching is this: my laptop crashed a while back so I haver to search with the phone and xda app. The xda app search sucks. It brings up irrelevant posts. So since i can't use the search feature, unless I go to the site through the web browser, I just read the wiki and search post by post lol. I am for the side that says, if you don't like the post don't read it. Be helpful, not insane. Some attitudes on here are equivalent to some one coming up to you on a street, new to the town, and asking where mcdonalds is, and some of your responses would be: Look up in the sky for the big f?%#ing golden arches before I shot you in the head with my glock. That is a little over board. I say search, but if the didn't don't get mad.
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JettMartinez said:
I don't buy that at all. If you've been on the internet more than 10 minutes, searching should always be your first instinct.
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Man, more people are familiar with school than the internet...and in school you usually ask the teachers questions before you whip out your book to find the answer. Most people also try to act like themselves online like they do in real life...and since in a real life situation there more likely to ask a question than search for the answer...so first instinct would probably be asking that question, that is, if you arent used to forums (specifically this one).

Very serious business.

warrior420 said:
flat out, most people just dont even know what to search for, keywords will get you the right information, but also knowing the key words is what is troubling the new people.
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This.
When you see question, give an answer. At least point them to the wiki so they can learn the things to search for.
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I have more of a problem with the **** stains that walk in and flame you than with noobies posting the same questions again and again. In fact im pretty sure there are more posts accumulated bashing noobs than there are noob question posts. Swing that pendelum the other way. Your the problem. Stfu and contribute or don't enter the post. Better yet log out. Usually the ones that ***** are the ones that spend way too much time on here. Only ones that get to complain are devs cuz we owe it to them
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RushAOZ said:
I have more of a problem with the **** stains that walk in and flame you than with noobies posting the same questions again and again. In fact im pretty sure there are more posts accumulated bashing noobs than there are noob question posts. Swing that pendelum the other way. Your the problem. Stfu and contribute or don't enter the post. Better yet log out. Usually the ones that ***** are the ones that spend way too much time on here. Only ones that get to complain are devs cuz we owe it to them
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+1....100%
This is just about the most typical rant you can find on this board.. 1000 miles away from non typical

Elite11b said:
First off let me say that this is not against Sprint or Samsung (shocker). I know my way around a computer but am no way a developer. Before I ever loaded a rom I read and did my research it took me betweem 24 to 48 hours before I felt confident enough to root and flash and if I had any questions I searched the forums for a solution. Its not hard. Now here comes the complaint. I know they say there are no stupid questions but damn, I see the same question over and over again when there are easily found answers right in front of your face. Don't be lazy and read, no one one here gets paid to answer your questions that have already been answered. I'm not saying there aren't legitimate questions because there are plenty of them and that's not what is bothering me at all. I guess what I'm trying to get at is do the effing research take your time and you will figure it out, and stop asking what is the best rom it is the most worthless question on here because no one can give you the right answer. One more thing if you do run into a problem try and figure it out before running to the computer and then maybe you could actually contribute. That's all sorry for such a long post.
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Can a brother get a carriage return?
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Failing to search occurs in ANY forum out there. The difference with the Epic scene is we have more self-proclaimed moderators than any board I am a member of. There are simply too many people trigger happy to call out a “noob” who may or may not know what it is that they are looking for.
It’s a shame that we are so quick to assume that someone is lazy.
I am here several times a day. More often than not, you will see folks spending more time correcting other’s forum posting etiquette than actually helping or contributing. In the other forums I frequent (mostly cars), the members actually help one another and asking questions, regardless of them previously posted, is no problem at all.
Go figure, the forums where mistakes cost A LOT more money in damages is stress-free compared to one that can almost always be fixed with a good old odin.

I definitly feel like an ass for posting this in the first place. I guess I should have been more specific when I posted. I apologize to anyone I offended. I have no problem helping anyone that needs help it just aggravates me when people ask a question one a thread that was answered on the previous page. But whatever I honestly don't give two squirts what people think about me.
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Elite11b said:
I definitly feel like an ass for posting this in the first place. I guess I should have been more specific when I posted. I apologize to anyone I offended. I have no problem helping anyone that needs help it just aggravates me when people ask a question one a thread that was answered on the previous page. But whatever I honestly don't give two squirts what people think about me.
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I think you were saying what you felt and there is no harm in that. You were not out of line in the way you said it. It was simply something you felt like expressing.
I don’t believe your last sentence though. It contradicts your first sentence.

No it's true I just regret not being more specific about what I was saying. Anyway life is full of contradictions
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First day ATT SG4 Questions

I previously had an htc vivid that I s-off'd and rom'd alot and before that I had a samsung infuse and I remember roming on the infuse to be pretty easy. So where do i start? I want to install cm10.1 nightly but I just got my phone today and I have no idea how to root or get cwm on it

VinnyCh4se said:
I previously had an htc vivid that I s-off'd and rom'd alot and before that I had a samsung infuse and I remember roming on the infuse to be pretty easy. So where do i start? I want to install cm10.1 nightly but I just got my phone today and I have no idea how to root or get cwm on it
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Start with these three threads, but don't limit yourself to them. You will find many useful links within those threads to help you as well. Good luck.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2301762
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2312444
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2295557

WTH, scott. you fast.
Good info as always

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WTH, scott. you fast.
Good info as always
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I bet 90% (or more) of all "Help me!" type posts can be resolved with those few threads. Maybe another 5% need to be directed to another thread or two, and only the last 5% or so actually require more information than what has already been posted. If people would follow the XDA rules, search, and read what is easily available, most of them wouldn't have problems in the first place...much less need to make posts about them time after time. This forum has evolved nicely and people have taken their time to put together guides, solve problems, and create helpful posts. It is a slap in the face of those people when others don't take the time to read the information they made available. I see it all of the time, people saying, "but this is Q&A, I should be allowed to ask questions yadayadayada...). For some reason, to them, Q&A means I don't need to search, read, or learn, I can just ask a question that has been asked 20 times already (usually still on the first page) and people must flock to me with easy answers on silver platters! Of course, that is assuming they even put the question in the Q&A forum to start with. For some reason, they think they are above the rules or they are so special the rules don't apply to them. Q&A (according to XDA) exists to help AFTER someone has already searched and read on their own...not as a substitute for doing so. And saying, "but I searched", when it is obvious that no searching or very little searching was done only makes them a liar as well.
At most, people should only need to be directed to this information (existing threads). If they choose to ignore this help or if they think they are too important to take the time needed to read and learn...too bad. Fortunately, most accept the help and take advantage of the information, others, well I guess they just need to sit around, all butt-hurt, with their bricks. :laugh:
And to those that get butt-hurt...No, I'm not a Mod and I'm not affiliated with XDA, I just follow the rules that I agreed to when I signed up...just like everyone else is supposed to. DO you?
...and this isn't necessarily directed at the OP, I just happened to say it in this thread.

This is not unique to XDA. People on all forums ask before trying to find the answer. It doesn't matter how much good info is posted, most users want to be spoon fed instead of trying to learn on their own.
Even with power of Google, we see people post " how do I ....." On forums first, when the same query on google will give instant answers.
I can't explain it, but we are all witness to it.

alphadog00 said:
This is not unique to XDA. People on all forums ask before trying to find the answer. It doesn't matter how much good info is posted, most users want to be spoon fed instead of trying to learn on their own.
Even with power of Google, we see people post " how do I ....." On forums first, when the same query on google will give instant answers.
I can't explain it, but we are all witness to it.
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Does not excuse it in the slightest. Anyways I'm happy for the OP choosing the S4 but this is getting quite repetitive and needs to stop :/
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+1 to all
A lot of members like Axman have invested many hours in writing great "noob" threads. Very well done and easy to understand. What I never get is why folks invest a lot of money in this phone, and others, and don't want to spend time educating themselves on how to root it and flash roms.

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Does not excuse it in the slightest. Anyways I'm happy for the OP choosing the S4 but this is getting quite repetitive and needs to stop :/
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Where have you been? Haven't seen you around in awhile.
Agreed though, getting old. Same issue, different name.

TheAxman said:
Where have you been? Haven't seen you around in awhile.
Agreed though, getting old. Same issue, different name.
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Life, and AOKP has been keeping me quite content but yea long time no see, glad to see familiar faces
Decided I should drop by more to help with these QA threads hahaha
To the OP now, don't think we hate you or anything, it's just you put like NO EFFORT into researching. The QA forum is here to help issues beyond just getting started.
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I started those guides thinking that everyone would be talking about flashing roms, whats cool, whats not, and so on, made them so anyone new could even understand, I must have forgotten that people just want to get a phone and start rooting and such, without reading because his buddy said it was cool to root and flash roms, even told him, here go to this site and get roms, and flash them. Then the process starts, a continuous posts of I can't , and it won't questions.
What gets me, you know they are not searching, because the post right above theirs has their problem right in the thread title. Saw one of those yesterday somewhere.
Ka dumb a$s, duh!
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Btw .. OP, I am going to apologize for semi hi-jacking your thread. It was wrong. Sorry sir. Seriously.

I think by now the OP has read your Guide, plus others and is now running and enjoying a custom rom--

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I think by now the OP has read your Guide, plus others and is now running and enjoying a custom rom--
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This! Also I got very intimidated by all the people screaming at me. I did a bunch of research before I asked the question and was still confused hence the question I'm not an xda idiot but the s4 was already very big in modding when I joined whereas the infuse and vivid had just started to get cwm and root when I got them so I grew with the romers I apologize for looking so nooby since reading the first post I now have a auto Loki cwm and root access and am running the Google edition ROM thank you all for the suggestions and links
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Glad you got it--
Don't feel bad sometimes we need to vent--nothing personal
I came here in early May from the One S and close to 3.5 years of flashing HTC devices with the advantage of unlocked bootloaders thru fastboot. But, still felt like a noob here--still do--
Odin/Kies/Loki were all new. Esp loki. I have spent hundreds of hours reading probably a couple thousand posts. Still learning. It does take a lot of effort to figure this out for some of us--like me.
But, a good investment as one needs to not only know how but why--to not lose a pricey phone--
Welcome to the S4--Unbelievable Phone--:good:

Read read read!! Read first please!

To the people I see posting here "I bricked my phone" most of you are the ones with at&t latest ota update "MF3" please read and understand that the new mf3 update is completely on lockdown as of now! There is however a rooting method available but thats it! Completely locked bootloader with no I repeat NO CUSTOM RECOVERY!
with that being said.. if you attempt to root your phone on the mf3 update do not attempt to flash any recoveries as you will get into situations you dont want to be in!
ive seen so many post on here that says "I bricked my phone" and all of them are about the same exact thing
PLEASE READ FIRST BEFORE DOING ANYTHING!!

If you don't read, you deserve the brick you get yourself into. This device is too expensive to not read about. It is your own fault for not reading.
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If you don't read, you deserve the brick you get yourself into. This device is too expensive to not read about. It is your own fault for not reading.
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Exactly my point.i dont see how most people dont read and risk bricking there device. Your pretty much throwing away your money

marcviado said:
To the people I see posting here "I bricked my phone" most of you are the ones with at&t latest ota update "MF3" please read and understand that the new mf3 update is completely on lockdown as of now! There is however a rooting method available but thats it! Completely locked bootloader with no I repeat NO CUSTOM RECOVERY!
with that being said.. if you attempt to root your phone on the mf3 update do not attempt to flash any recoveries as you will get into situations you dont want to be in!
ive seen so many post on here that says "I bricked my phone" and all of them are about the same exact thing
PLEASE READ FIRST BEFORE DOING ANYTHING!!
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Unfortunately, this won't do any good. I understand why you posted it, I posted a similar warning in the root thread itself (the link is at the bottom of my signature), however, people will not read that either. I made my post to direct people to "after the fact" so they can see why they screwed up more than a warning before they screw up. I've made a few posts in threads like that, TheAxman has made a couple of threads instructing people about it, and a few others have done the same. It's even in the XDA rules that these people are supposed to be reading and agreeing to before they even can post.
One of the problems is that people use XDA to run to so they can ask questions about something they screwed up instead of using XDA as a place to come to to search, read, and learn. I can't tell you how many times I've seen, "It's Q & A, so I'm asking a question!". These individuals don't realize or care that the Q & A section isn't a replacement for them reading, searching, and learning, it is a section for people that HAVE read, searched, and learned, and have found something they need help with that hasn't been posted about and addressed 20 times already.
It really just comes down to laziness, ignorance, and people that think they are entitled. People that think their time is more valuable than the time of others and think everything should just be handed to them. If your time is so valuable that you can't take a little of it to read what others spent their time posting already, than you don't need to be doing anything to your phone...and probably shouldn't even have one.
So, yea, I understand why you made this post, and I think posts like this are definitely needed, but I just don't see the people that are causing the problems in the first place reading this or even caring to read it if someone points it out to them. Remember, their time is more valuable than yours.

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Unfortunately, this won't do any good. I understand why you posted it, I posted a similar warning in the root thread itself (the link is at the bottom of my signature), however, people will not read that either. I made my post to direct people to "after the fact" so they can see why they screwed up more than a warning before they screw up. I've made a few posts in threads like that, TheAxman has made a couple of threads instructing people about it, and a few others have done the same. It's even in the XDA rules that these people are supposed to be reading and agreeing to before they even can post.
One of the problems is that people use XDA to run to so they can ask questions about something they screwed up instead of using XDA as a place to come to to search, read, and learn. I can't tell you how many times I've seen, "It's Q & A, so I'm asking a question!". These individuals don't realize or care that the Q & A section isn't a replacement for them reading, searching, and learning, it is a section for people that HAVE read, searched, and learned, and have found something they need help with that hasn't been posted about and addressed 20 times already.
It really just comes down to laziness, ignorance, and people that think they are entitled. People that think their time is more valuable than the time of others and think everything should just be handed to them. If your time is so valuable that you can't take a little of it to read what others spent their time posting already, than you don't need to be doing anything to your phone...and probably shouldn't even have one.
So, yea, I understand why you made this post, and I think posts like this are definitely needed, but I just don't see the people that are causing the problems in the first place reading this or even caring to read it if someone points it out to them. Remember, their time is more valuable than yours.
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This is exactly why they deserve to have a stupidly expensive paperweight.
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I just look at the stuff posted on the q and a and its the same thing everyone post the same thing and not take time to ready or put in same post as others
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I'm going to have to bump this again because if people would READ the forum and all the information thats here on the forum they would know that there's no recovery for MF3 at the moment. Also not to upgrade to MF3 if your on MDL. also not to try to flash a ROM on MF3. You can root. Now you got multiple posts in different threads from the same person that if he/she woukd have read then wouldn't be in this situation.
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Good luck, this has been done numerous times, the only way for them to learn is have a bricked device, then they will HAVE to read......