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Rant

I've been lurking here for awhile and only recently have been paying close attention since getting an EVO. This is a general rant and obviously cant be applied to every person and Im not saying at all that the forum is not a good resource but....
This forum is by far THE worst i have seen with reposts and redundant questions. Its ridiculous... you get literally 10 threads on the first page with the same topic, and within a thread you get the same question being asked and answered literally 3 posts away from the last time. How is a forum that is supposed to be technical THIS bad with simple reading!?
Threads are basically useless past the first post because because its hundreds of pages of repeated questions after.
For god's sake people, READ. I dont care how excites you are about finding out something everyone else already knew, check to see if theres a thread already. And stop asking questions that have been answered a hundred times already.
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I agree 100%!
I think when you first sign up there should be like a 4 day waiting period before you are allowed your first post. This way, either they will start reading and find the solution or leave and we won't have to worry about it.
EDIT: I know this doesn't apply to people already registered but most are people with low post counts who post repeated topics.

churchwin88 said:
I agree 100%!
I think when you first sign up there should be like a 4 day waiting period before you are allowed your first post. This way, either they will start reading and find the solution or leave and we won't have to worry about it.
EDIT: I know this doesn't apply to people already registered but most are people with low post counts who post repeated topics.
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That is a pretty good idea you just came up with there!

Frankly this forum has turned to trash which is why most of the serious posters don't even bother with it.

Aridon said:
Frankly this forum has turned to trash which is why most of the serious posters don't even bother with it.
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Then where do those serious posters post?

yeah there are waaay to many people who basically just want someone else to do everything for them, and dont want to actually search for themselves. frankly i think its US the people who know how to use a forum properly, that should NOT be paying attention to these people. i wish people would just not respond to all those lazy people who just want to be spoonfed on what to do. if you think our evo forum is bad lol imagine if we had an IPHONE forum LOL

Freelancerx said:
if you think our evo forum is bad lol imagine if we had an IPHONE forum LOL
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Thanks, now I am going to have nightmares.

yeah i mean i pretty much almost never go into the Q&A section, and general section because 90% of whats in there is a bunch "i dont know how to do this please tell me how" probably because those people never finished their freshman year in college and actually learned how to do proper research... but oh well, i mean the only forum i check is the development one, it seems to slowly be getting better and better. very slowly.

I agree with the OP, however, this is simply a side effect from the forum hitting the mainstream. At almost 3 million users, it is simply impossible not to get these kinds of people. The development forum is a lot better though since it's better curated.
I've learned to simply ignore it and move along. Trust me, it could be way worse.

how do i root my phone... I'm kidding of course
sent from satan fone!

I think I know how to clean up the redundant threads a little bit.
The forum administrator could change the input field for naming your new thread into a hidden Google search box!
So then people type their new topic into the box and WHAMMO suddenly there is >3,000,000 solutions right in their face before they even begin to start writing the body of the post.
The thread starter must then click on a minimum number of links from the googled solutions before they are allowed to actually post their question with a new thread!
Problem solved....

Unfortunately, the search in the XDA app sux.
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App

the problem is it's frustrating for everyone.
and also not to point fingers but there's only one way to really curb the problem.
More information available more easily.
Better more acccurate more updated Wiki or compilation of ALL the basics.
Also, for everyone that starts a thread you need to put in more details, Sometimes I'm amazed at how a developer can master putting everything for the phone together and then post a thread saying..... Here's my rom WEE clicky here, done.
DETAILS install, how to when where what, update and keep things updated.
most of the stuff I can navigate threw myself and thats fine but sometimes theres like 300 pages and your getting no where, if your the thread starter and you add something important to the conversation mid thread, edit your first post.
As far as people posting stupid VERY simple repetitive questions, just try and search it first please, ugh.

I agree with the xda app search sucks.. i get low data speed here in wisconsin usually 30kb/s or under so dont use the internet for the site.. the search should be able to sure certain forums that would help alot of people out who do actually use the search but hard finding it with the app search..
sent from my Evo

Also alot of people dont word the topic right or even have what they are asking about.. like today someone put... help!. Had good info on radios but someone thats looking up the same thing wont run into it.
sent from my Evo

Now that I think about it, the hardest thing to do is run through a 200 page topic and actually pull useful information out of it. An example:
The first 500 replys are:
First!
downloading...
Will DL when I get home...
Downloading now
ect, ect for 500 pages
Then you finally get to the meat of the topic when you no longer see "downloading now" and you start to see "my 4gee's no workie" for another 150 pages only to realize that the answer to all of those questions was in the OP that nobody read!
This cycle goes on and on and it's nearly impossible to gather intelligence from chaos like that.

this is probably the 10th topic about this....just sayin

In your third paragraph, you repeated yourself by saying "because" twice. Practice what you preach. If you think you can do it better, go start your own forum.
I'm just bs'ing/being a smartass. You are okay to have your opinion. I can understand when a person gets in a mood and needs to rant to vent some frustrations. You may also have some valid points.
My parting thought:
It can be said in many different ways. Instead of complaining about something you don't agree with or like, might I make a suggestion to volunteer yourself to make things better. Trying to focus on solutions instead of problems.
Don't get me wrong. I'm no saint. Some people really irritate the crap out of me too, plus, I know I'm not mr personality either.
The mods have their hands full (I'm sure that's an understatement). If you can do your good deed for the day and help out a newb, then you are giving back.
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This forum desperately needs more moderation. I messaged toast over a month ago with this suggestion and offered my help as I have moderated other forums. He never even bothered to respond.
For a tech forum,moderation is the difference between good and lousy. Self policing can only go so far.
As for the search, there is no problem with it. VB is the most popular forum software for a reason. It works very well. Pro tip: 99% of your searches should be title only.

Mad06STi said:
I've been lurking here for awhile and only recently have been paying close attention since getting an EVO. This is a general rant and obviously cant be applied to every person and Im not saying at all that the forum is not a good resource but....
This forum is by far THE worst i have seen with reposts and redundant questions. Its ridiculous... you get literally 10 threads on the first page with the same topic, and within a thread you get the same question being asked and answered literally 3 posts away from the last time. How is a forum that is supposed to be technical THIS bad with simple reading!?
Threads are basically useless past the first post because because its hundreds of pages of repeated questions after.
For god's sake people, READ. I dont care how excites you are about finding out something everyone else already knew, check to see if theres a thread already. And stop asking questions that have been answered a hundred times already.
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The big problem is when people get their EVO, they realize their battery lasts 20 minutes out of the box. They then get on google and try to find out how to increase their battery life. They find an article on some douchebag blog talking about rooting their phone. These people then google rooting their phone and all signs point to XDA. Sometimes they know a guy or have a friend of a friend who told them to "root" their phone, skipping the first step.
This is exactly why there are 100 repeated questions/threads. Everyone is directed to this website from various other websites. So you will get people who want instant answers and don't want to wade through tons of replies/text.

To the regs here in the Epic forums:

We seriously need to calm down and post in a civilized manner. I see far too many immature and unnecessary posts that only flame at other posts. There is no reason to tell someone they're stupid for posting something from an ignorant's perspective. If they don't know and they're asking, then politely point them in the right direction. No need to bash on them. Granted, there are some pretty stupid/idiotic questions asked here (some intended for trolling) but still, DONT FEED THE FIRE. Let it go, calm down, and post like they are right in front of you. DONT HIDE BEHIND THE INTERNET TO GET AWAY WITH DISRESPECTING OTHERS! It seriously gets old fast. Act like adults please!
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Overall, I agree with you. But.. is there really a need to start a new thread about some **** that already has five other threads on the front page?

herzzreh said:
Overall, I agree with you. But.. is there really a need to start a new thread about some **** that already has five other threads on the front page?
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i see nowhere on the general section (which, this kind of topic would be under) where this topic is mentioned. Because apparently, it seems like the Epic forums are filled with little high schoolers who think swearing is cool. Because honestly, it isn't.
BUT, if there is a thread requesting others to be more civilized, then I apologize.

Not this topic, but other topics. Sorry, I should've worded it differently.
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+1. This forum has become unwelcoming and almost frightening to post a question within. People around these parts need to chill out.

ONe of the best threads I've read in a while. There are a lot of times where I see people as a question and instead of getting a simple answer they get a bash from someone. We all need to understand that nit everyone knows the same thing. What may be a dumb question to you is not to the op and other people that need to know too. If you have nothing better to do then flame people for their questions don't come on here. Go somewhere else. We obviously dont need you. Thanks

herzzreh said:
Overall, I agree with you. But.. is there really a need to start a new thread about some **** that already has five other threads on the front page?
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i c wut u did der
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA App

I totally agree with you. I know if ii ask any question and any little highschool or immature brat insults me. Don't go crying to the mods about me handing your ass to you on a wooden plate. So kids let's be nice and remember what we were taught in kindergarden "the golden rule".
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA App

Replies are always "wow. You should've searched." Um...the xda app doesn't search. It fc's. And also, whosdaman likes to close general threads about people that wanna know thins about froyo or any other "GENERAL" question.
Not everyone is on these forums 24/7 to be knowing that updates that were announced weeks ago were suddenly canceled.
Not everyone is tech savvy enough to use odin.
Not everyone undertsands the differences between dk28 and di18.
If you're gonna respond by telling someone they should search before posting, why not give them a link to follow leading them to the appropriate thread? That way they can see "oh crap. I should search next time, cuz that's what I was looking for." Assuming they're not on the app, ofcourse.
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And sometimes you follow the instructions and it just won't work for you. (I know, I couldn't get odin to work for me until I used a different cable.) I had lots of help down to step by step instructions. Without the help, I would still have a dead Epic.
I also second keeping thing civil. If we don't we will chase away a lot of good people and information.
George

I agree with the OP every bit.
And besides, at one point even the most tech savvy people were noobs. Everyone had to start somewhere, and asking questions is a good way to learn. Now the pointless questions are about the "delayed" updates Samsung promises. Although, there is no point to get into that once again. The search feature on the XDA app doesn't work, which is also not helpful to new members at all. I agree, just point them in the right direction, and move on, without the snotty attitude. It really isn't that difficult.
I'll be honest, I'm only 14, and I know better than to be rude or swear on the internet when someone isn't familiar with something new.

Why all the hate? Kinda ridiculous.

You know I kinda debated about starting this thread but I finally read enough smartass-think-they-are-better-than-everyone-posts. Im a member on countless electonics forums with thousands of posts with the same user name I might add and this forum kinda tops them all as far as "rude people". Yes, I might be "newer" to these forums, but while most of you were in elementary school, I was working on computers, installing networks and doing competition car audio.
Now lets start.
Why were forums made? For the masses to gather and share information, ideas, buy & sell, meet others and just down right chat to one another. *And for people that got picked on in their school days and decide to be a jerk online because they want to feel better about themselves.*
It seems like almost every single thread I read there is someone that asks the "standard question" that has probably been answered numerous times and then you get the standard response. "Well if you would of read, you would know the answer." Instead of being a douche, you could of just typed the answer, gained more post counts and could of probably got your Thanks Meter up another notch.
I love the answer, "Thats what the search feature is for." Well I'm sure almost all of you have tried to search and maybe your search wasnt bigger than 3 letters which gets excluded or so many other queries come that dont get even come close to answering your question. Sometimes its like trying to find waldo in a book with really really big freaking pages.
Then the, "If you would of read the whole thread you would know the answer" response. Well jesus, do you guys realize how fast some of these threads move? Damn, I can make a post, go to bed, wake up and noticed during the overnight the thread gains 10+ pages. Now imagine you are someone new to this, you have read the stickies, done a few searches, got their phone rooted ok but then notice a bug so they ask the "standard question". Well when you have an ungodly amount of threads and an even bigger number of actual posts sometimes its like finding a needle in a haystack. When just asking a question (Which is what forums were made for) can sometimes save you hours of searching thousands of threads.
Some of the people on this forum just need to be patient and help people out, instead being an ASS. We were all newbies once. And we will all be newbies to some other subject in the future. "Can't we all just get along"
And before anyone does the standard flaming. No, this did not happen to me. Search my screen names for posts if you wish. I just hate seeing in almost every 500+ page thread were someone asks a question and the next few people have some sort of smartass answer.
Just be nice, answer the question and watch your Thanks Meter go up. Simple as that.
If people werent asking questions then these forums wouldnt even be a quarter of the size they are now.
Thanks for reading. Have a great day.
Also, thanks to all the Devs that have spent countless days and sleepless nights to help all of us have a more enjoyable experience with our phones.

Uhh, there are already a few threads talking about the same rants, next time search before you create a thread......
LMAO, ok sorry. I couldn't help myself,

quietstorm said:
Uhh, there are already a few threads talking about the same rants, next time search before you create a thread......
LMAO, ok sorry. I couldn't help myself,
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I enjoyed that comment.

sminker said:
I enjoyed that comment.
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Thanks bro, but you are right though, there is a little to much tension at times around here. I have been a member of this site for many years, I had another account but I forgot my name and password so I created this one about three years ago. My point is, I been coming here for over 5 years or so and I am on this site damn near every single day but I never post much if ever. I usually search for what I am looking for at best and then just move on while avoiding the stupid crap. I am also a member of sprintusers, ppcgeeks, androidforums and a few others and they all seem to have their fare share of idiots. Since xda is probably the largest site with the most traffic compared to the others I guess you run the risk of seeing more idiots here as well.

Well said sminker. If people do not like what people post they are just better off keeping it to themselves. Be part of solution not the problem.
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App

Thanks for the replies. Nice to know I wasnt flamed immediately.

I find XDA to be pretty friendly. The worst tech forums are the tool bags at MacForums that place has a yon of negative and rude posters

Zorachus said:
I find XDA to be pretty friendly. The worst tech forums are the tool bags at MacForums that place has a yon of negative and rude posters
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Doesnt surprise me. Gotta keep your eye on those Mac users. They are a breed of their own.

i hate the 'wrong section' trolls. just let the mods quietly move it, and dont comment. be happy, dont hate.
very well said.

Wow
Thanks for bringing this up. This issue really is annoying. I totally agree. But, it's the internet and jerks will be jerks.

cdszoke said:
Thanks for bringing this up. This issue really is annoying. I totally agree. But, it's the internet and jerks will be jerks.
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Sir you are completely right. People can and will act completely different in this "Alternate Universe" than they will in real life. Why? Becuase they can and it makes them feel a little more "Alpha".

Hey I remember being new to a certain forum not this one though, and asking a simple question. The regular jerks of the forum proceeded to try to make me feel like an idiot. Needless to say my feelings weren't hurt but I guess it's that "Alpha Male" complex.

haha those jerks on the iphone-developers wont reply at all. i'm experiencing being a noob again with my ipad.
ps: any of you helpful xda people kno more than a thing or two about tinyumbrella and shsh/jailbreak stuff?

dkdude36 said:
haha those jerks on the iphone-developers wont reply at all. i'm experiencing being a noob again with my ipad.
ps: any of you helpful xda people kno more than a thing or two about tinyumbrella and shsh/jailbreak stuff?
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If i did, i would help you out. But Im holding off for the 2nd gen Ipad.

I agree, but change your title from REDiculous to ridiculous

sminker said:
If i did, i would help you out. But Im holding off for the 2nd gen Ipad.
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hah i was going to, and held for 3 months, but then school started and i needed something to type on, so....

DirtyShroomz said:
I agree, but change your title from REDiculous to ridiculous
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Thanks Given. Should of checked my spelling better.

Well said nice thread more people need to read this. There are many folks here on xda that have helped me over the years, and I lend a hand to those in need when I can. Thanks

Maybe it was REDiculous for a resin. I have bee. Aroubg these forums reading and not trying to post. Let's get a forums back the doing better for our phones not flaing and contributing instead.( ill get flamed for that. Everyone gets pissed at some point but leave it out of here. Or at lesast try lazy trolls.
Sent from my DROIDX using XDA App

Oh yeah, the reality for that is some people( no specifics at all just in general) think they have a ten foot long e ****
Sent from my DROIDX using XDA App

The quality of Modmanship.............

Is none of my concern.
Delete thread please?

Its a very very fine line between being a good administrator and being a clown.
I own a forum with over 2500 members (very small, but thats the way we like it), and am an admin on three others.
I give my mods pretty much free reign to do as they wish, BUT I often find myself going back and cleaning up messes.
It is very important for the continuity of information that threads be kept in the appropriate section. It would have taken less time to simply move this thread than to answer the way that he did.
But as I said, its a rough life as a mod/admin. No pay, no appreciation in most cases, and it does nothing but anger the family...
Take it easy on the guy, he really is just trying to do what he thinks is best for the community. Unless his post was edited, I see absolutely nothing offensive about it. In fact, this thread is more offensive than the one you are referencing.

Ja, you are right about some things. But it should have just been moved.Different viewpoints. I also mod a forum, sorry that this thread offended you, but i got offended seeing a relative newcomer get the cold shoulder when asking nicely.
That is more offensive.
Going to delete the content of original post. My time of the month.
Rant over
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Right ok.....
First of all, yes I acted like a ****.
In my defence I'm having to move at least 10 threads a day from general to q&a... despite a sticky and a forum announcement explaining that questions should not be posted here.
When I realised that the thread your talking about was posted by a new member I'm pretty sure I unlocked it and moved it to q&a....
I can't promise I'll pay the same courtesy to members who should know better though.
I have spent the past two weeks moving every [Q] thread that appeared but unfortunately that doesn't help to get the message across.
Like I said, I guess I was being a **** but then again I'm just trying to keep this place tidy for everyone's benefit and if I have to make that point by locking a few threads here and there then I will.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA Premium App

Okay.... looks like I didn't unlock the thread and move it. I have now.
Op, feel free to redo your first post if you want. It was a valid point.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face......

conantroutman said:
Right ok.....
First of all, yes I acted like a ****.
In my defence I'm having to move at least 10 threads a day from general to q&a... despite a sticky and a forum announcement explaining that questions should not be posted here.
When I realised that the thread your talking about was posted by a new member I'm pretty sure I unlocked it and moved it to q&a....
I can't promise I'll pay the same courtesy to members who should know better though.
I have spent the past two weeks moving every [Q] thread that appeared but unfortunately that doesn't help to get the message across.
Like I said, I guess I was being a **** but then again I'm just trying to keep this place tidy for everyone's benefit and if I have to make that point by locking a few threads here and there then I will.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA Premium App
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You dont have to explain a thing bud, Its the idiots who cant read that we should be complain about not the mods doing their job.
Alot of people including myself are sick and tired of crap getting posted in wrong places, its really irritating and tbh stickies or announcements shouldn't even need to be made, its pretty much common sense and anybody with half of a brain can see which section which kind of topic goes in and which it doesn't. Obviously though we get some people who either cant grasp this concept who are just too lazy to read forum titles.

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You dont have to explain a thing bud, Its the idiots who cant read that we should be complain about not the mods doing their job.
Alot of people including myself are sick and tired of crap getting posted in wrong places, its really irritating and tbh stickies or announcements shouldn't even need to be made, its pretty much common sense and anybody with half of a brain can see which section which kind of topic goes in and which it doesn't. Obviously though we get some people who either cant grasp this concept who are just too lazy to read forum titles.
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Tbh, I agree with you. Nothing worse when someone just types out a question, about something that is probably answered just two threads below.
conantroutman, sorry matey, I didnt mean to have a go at you personally. Had ****ty day too. I do apologise, sincerely. As for redoing the first post, Nah, it IS none of my concern. I really dont mind if you delete/close this thread.

No problem man, dont sweat it......
Im not gonna delete the thread as some may see it as me "covering my tracks".
I will however close it and leave it with the declaration that;
If anyone, for any reason has an issue with the a decision I make in regards to moderating the forums then please feel free to PM me and let me know.
Your statutory rights will not be affected

[Q] Recovery on MF3

EDIT: Problem Resolved
Hello, after reading for hours, I now realize that I was wrong. Not totally new to rooting, etc. but this one caught me off guard. I updated to the latest MF3 OTA from ATT.
My problem is I tried to install TWRP from the goo manager, and now the recovery doesn't work on the phone at all. For the longest time it just kept rebooting the phone endlessly, and I could make it get into download mode.
I managed to get the phone to boot up by flashing the stock rom with odin in the bootloader section (did this by accident trying to recover the phone), and then went into download mode, and clicked cancel. It booted up fine.
If I try to enter recovery at all, it goes back into the endless boot cycle till I do some playing around with odin.
How to do I get the normal recovery working again? I would like to factory reset this and sell it for a GPE phone.
Thank you for your time.

Is there a downloadable mf3 ROM out there I can use to flash it with Odin?

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Is there a downloadable mf3 ROM out there I can use to flash it with Odin?
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NO!
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agent929 said:
Hello, after reading for hours, I now realize that I was wrong. Not totally new to rooting, etc. but this one caught me off guard. I updated to the latest MF3 OTA from ATT.
My problem is I tried to install TWRP from the goo manager, and now the recovery doesn't work on the phone at all. For the longest time it just kept rebooting the phone endlessly, and I could make it get into download mode.
I managed to get the phone to boot up by flashing the stock rom with odin in the bootloader section (did this by accident trying to recover the phone), and then went into download mode, and clicked cancel. It booted up fine.
If I try to enter recovery at all, it goes back into the endless boot cycle till I do some playing around with odin.
How to do I get the normal recovery working again? I would like to factory reset this and sell it for a GPE phone.
Thank you for your time.
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There is a method, you'll have to search for it, because I can't find it right now and link you to it.
It's your luck day . http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=43512474
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Both of you should do a lot more reading before you mess with your phones. There are good stickies in the general forum which would be good starting points. If you had read them you might not be posting here now.

jd1639 said:
Both of you should do a lot more reading before you mess with your phones. There are good stickies in the general forum which would be good starting points. If you had read them you might not be posting here now.
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Not to be a stickler but it's the same person.

And not to be disrespectful, but the galaxyroot website says installing a custom recovery is fine but it must be rooted first - if not rooted go here - you go here and it shows the mf3 root method. Never said much else about it. I rarely use XDA to ask for information. The post always turns into a flame war with people who are extremely disrespectful. To me this forum is extremely mixed up with post, and other times the information isn't clear. I agree totally that I made the mistake, but I admit to my failure and now I'm trying to learn from it. I'll never understand why the people on this forum and I mean especially this forum love to bash others.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using XDA Premium HD app
Edit: I see the post I was mainly referring to is now gone.

agent929 said:
And not to be disrespectful, but the galaxyroot website says installing a custom recovery is fine but it must be rooted first - if not rooted go here - you go here and it shows the mf3 root method. Never said much else about it. I rarely use XDA to ask for information. The post always turns into a flame war with people who are extremely disrespectful. To me this forum is extremely mixed up with post, and other times the information isn't clear. I agree totally that I made the mistake, but I admit to my failure and now I'm trying to learn from it. I'll never understand why the people on this forum and I mean especially this forum love to bash others.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using XDA Premium HD app
Edit: I see the post I was mainly referring to is now gone.
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The reason people are annoyed is because people are constantly coming here with little knowledge, ignoring all the useful guides stickied at the top of the forums to try and help these exact same people, then rushing into an advanced procedure without a proper idea of what they're doing. Then they make a brand new thread to ask a question/beg for help, when it's already been answered 100 times, rather than searching for the answer first.
It's not something to get upset about because it's going to keep happening no matter what...but it is laughably annoying.
Anyways, I don't know what website galaxyroot is, but you need to get your info/guides/procedures/research right here at XDA...not at some random website with crappy information. That was your first mistake.

jeffreii said:
The reason people are annoyed is because people are constantly coming here with little knowledge, ignoring all the useful guides stickied at the top of the forums to try and help these exact same people, then rushing into an advanced procedure without a proper idea of what they're doing. Then they make a brand new thread to ask a question/beg for help, when it's already been answered 100 times, rather than searching for the answer first.
It's not something to get upset about because it's going to keep happening no matter what...but it is laughably annoying.
Anyways, I don't know what website galaxyroot is, but you need to get your info/guides/procedures/research right here at XDA...not at some random website with crappy information. That was your first mistake.
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Absolutely!
And I might add...
Asking questions (regardless of how many times they have already been asked) is NOT learning. Learning IS searching and reading available information, no matter how much time it takes, until a person has complete knowledge about their device and what it is they are going to be doing to it. It is called "being responsible for your own actions":. People that keep asking the same questions over and over again are NOT trying to learn anything. They are just trying to get someone else that usually did take the time necessary to learn about their phone to get them out of a situation that they got themselves into while putting a minimum of their own effort into it. Just so they can go back and screw something up again.
People who ask valid questions AFTER they have searched, read, and learned are generally handled in a very friendly manner because they have displayed a willingness to actually learn about what they are doing. I've already said this in several other posts but it comes down to people that do things correctly versus people that are lazy, have a sense of entitlement, or feel as if their time is more valuable than others...it's just that simple.

scott14719 said:
Absolutely!
And I might add...
Asking questions (regardless of how many times they have already been asked) is NOT learning. Learning IS searching and reading available information, no matter how much time it takes, until a person has complete knowledge about their device and what it is they are going to be doing to it. It is called "being responsible for your own actions":. People that keep asking the same questions over and over again are NOT trying to learn anything. They are just trying to get someone else that usually did take the time necessary to learn about their phone to get them out of a situation that they got themselves into while putting a minimum of their own effort into it. Just so they can go back and screw something up again.
People who ask valid questions AFTER they have searched, read, and learned are generally handled in a very friendly manner because they have displayed a willingness to actually learn about what they are doing. I've already said this in several other posts but it comes down to people that do things correctly versus people that are lazy, have a sense of entitlement, or feel as if their time is more valuable than others...it's just that simple.
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The funny thing is: often the people who are accused of being mean/rude/unfriendly are people who spend an exceptional amount of time, each and every day, helping people in these forums! It's FREE tech support. You get "mean" when you deserve it and you are not entitled to complain about it, in my opinion.

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scott14719 said:
Absolutely!
And I might add...
Asking questions (regardless of how many times they have already been asked) is NOT learning. Learning IS searching and reading available information, no matter how much time it takes, until a person has complete knowledge about their device and what it is they are going to be doing to it. It is called "being responsible for your own actions":. People that keep asking the same questions over and over again are NOT trying to learn anything. They are just trying to get someone else that usually did take the time necessary to learn about their phone to get them out of a situation that they got themselves into while putting a minimum of their own effort into it. Just so they can go back and screw something up again.
People who ask valid questions AFTER they have searched, read, and learned are generally handled in a very friendly manner because they have displayed a willingness to actually learn about what they are doing. I've already said this in several other posts but it comes down to people that do things correctly versus people that are lazy, have a sense of entitlement, or feel as if their time is more valuable than others...it's just that simple.
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well said... I'd say part of my good luck is reading everything in here... whether I grasp it or not... initial exposure is the opening of a door...explanation falls on deaf ears, that have never entertained the sound in the first place!

scott14719 said:
Absolutely!
And I might add...
Asking questions (regardless of how many times they have already been asked) is NOT learning. Learning IS searching and reading available information, no matter how much time it takes, until a person has complete knowledge about their device and what it is they are going to be doing to it. It is called "being responsible for your own actions":. People that keep asking the same questions over and over again are NOT trying to learn anything. They are just trying to get someone else that usually did take the time necessary to learn about their phone to get them out of a situation that they got themselves into while putting a minimum of their own effort into it. Just so they can go back and screw something up again.
People who ask valid questions AFTER they have searched, read, and learned are generally handled in a very friendly manner because they have displayed a willingness to actually learn about what they are doing. I've already said this in several other posts but it comes down to people that do things correctly versus people that are lazy, have a sense of entitlement, or feel as if their time is more valuable than others...it's just that simple.
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I agree with that. In my case it was a few hours of researching with no clear answer to me.
The website is galaxys4root.com and it is referenced in this forum quite a bit.
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jeffreii said:
The funny thing is: often the people who are accused of being mean/rude/unfriendly are people who spend an exceptional amount of time, each and every day, helping people in these forums! It's FREE tech support. You get "mean" when you deserve it and you are not entitled to complain about it, in my opinion.
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He had like 7 post...I'm not thinking so.
Nevertheless people will ask everyday a question that has already been answered. If somebody is going to call me stupid along with other names I don't want their help, I'll eventually figure it out myself. I was just hoping to significantly speed up the process by asking a question I didn't see asked yet on the forum. (Or if it was I didn't see it and yes I did look)
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Simple as opening up your web browser and googling it. All you have to do is sort through the posts and READ through it.
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Simple as opening up your web browser and googling it. All you have to do is sort through the posts and READ through it.
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.......I did...nevermind about the post...I don't think I'm going to get any help here. I'll check another forum out to see if we have any solutions as of yet. Thanks for your guys time.
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Finally figured it out with the help of a few friends. Again for those who helped thanks for your time!
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agent929 said:
.......I did...nevermind about the post...I don't think I'm going to get any help here. I'll check another forum out to see if we have any solutions as of yet. Thanks for your guys time.
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I'm not quite understanding you. Instead of "checking another forum out to see if we have any solutions as of yet", why didn't you take the time to read what has been posted about it in this forum (as suggested)? People (here) even gave you a screenshot and instructions on how to find the EXACT links that would have helped. Was that not enough? I think you are being difficult just to be difficult...or do you really think that you shouldn't have to take the time to research and learn about something even when the links are handed to you? Maybe you should take a little of YOUR time to read and learn a little bit instead of expecting people to take THEIR time to answer your questions that have already been answered multiple times elsewhere, especially when people are nice enough to show you the way. What is your definition of "help"?
You don't have to answer any of this if you don't want to, I actually rather you didn't.

scott14719 said:
I'm not quite understanding you. Instead of "checking another forum out to see if we have any solutions as of yet", why didn't you take the time to read what has been posted about it in this forum (as suggested)? People (here) even gave you a screenshot and instructions on how to find the EXACT links that would have helped. Was that not enough? I think you are being difficult just to be difficult...or do you really think that you shouldn't have to take the time to research and learn about something even when the links are handed to you? Maybe you should take a little of YOUR time to read and learn a little bit instead of expecting people to take THEIR time to answer your questions that have already been answered multiple times elsewhere, especially when people are nice enough to show you the way. What is your definition of "help"?
You don't have to answer any of this if you don't want to, I actually rather you didn't.
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I'm not even going to fight with you. I'd suggest sticking on topic. Anyways I did thank those that helped so don't complain at me for not reading something you know about.
Nevertheless my recovery is working again now. Something that XDA doesn't have posted on it (at least for the mf3). Maybe I could be more of a nerd and explain things in more detail like I should have. I have been pretty sick these last few weeks. I'm a disabled veteran and have quite a lot of problems. You don't freaking know me. Don't tell me what I'm trying to be. Just because I'm not as familiar with this forum like you doesn't mean I didn't freaking try.
I am TRUELY sorry for the inconvenience I have put you through. I won't ask anymore questions here again. I'll go where I should have in the first place.
P.S. - read ALL my post before you decide to play God and tell me what I am. A post I referee to earlier was deleted so it kinda makes me look like a you know what.
Please don't try to bash me here anymore as I really never meant to offend anyone here. Its just really depressing to me that just because you found something and I didn't I'm the idiot.
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agent929 said:
I'm not even going to fight with you. I'd suggest sticking on topic. Anyways I did thank those that helped so don't complain at me for not reading something you know about.
Nevertheless my recovery is working again now. Something that XDA doesn't have posted on it (at least for the mf3). Maybe I could be more of a nerd and explain things in more detail like I should have. I have been pretty sick these last few weeks. I'm a disabled veteran and have quite a lot of problems. You don't freaking know me. Don't tell me what I'm trying to be. Just because I'm not as familiar with this forum like you doesn't mean I didn't freaking try.
I am TRUELY sorry for the inconvenience I have put you through. I won't ask anymore questions here again. I'll go where I should have in the first place.
P.S. - read ALL my post before you decide to play God and tell me what I am. A post I referee to earlier was deleted so it kinda makes me look like a you know what.
Please don't try to bash me here anymore as I really never meant to offend anyone here. Its just really depressing to me that just because you found something and I didn't I'm the idiot.
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You don't have to listen to the suggestions of people that are trying to help you, It's nothing personal. Good luck and I hope your health improves.

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You don't have to listen to the suggestions of people that are trying to help you, It's nothing personal. Good luck and I hope your health improves.
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Thanks. It does make me feel better that we can end on a good note .
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Wow - 1 question and 2 pages of beating this poor guy senseless.
No disrespect but you guys/gals with 1000+ posts, try to remember when you where single digit posts.
Some people dont "haunt" this forum day and night and know "common" issues/symptoms and their fixes.
I see lots of threads with what appear to be valid questions and just about all say "this has been covered - do some research".
I hope I never go to a Doctor and say "I dont feel well, my nose is running and feel itchy" and they respond "this has been covered - do some research".
Again no disrespect but WOW!!!!

atari800 said:
Wow - 1 question and 2 pages of beating this poor guy senseless.
No disrespect but you guys/gals with 1000+ posts, try to remember when you where single digit posts.
Some people dont "haunt" this forum day and night and know "common" issues/symptoms and their fixes.
I see lots of threads with what appear to be valid questions and just about all say "this has been covered - do some research".
I hope I never go to a Doctor and say "I dont feel well, my nose is running and feel itchy" and they respond "this has been covered - do some research".
Again no disrespect but WOW!!!!
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If you find a doctor who provides around the clock support for free, let me know!
If that doctor posts the answers to most of your ailments right on the door when you walk in with a big READ THIS FIRST sign...and you walk right past it and ask him a question that's on the door, do you think that might get annoying?
Ok, I'm tired of this analogy!