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Question about the last OTA

I was wondering if a new method to install the last OTA was out. I didnt feel comfortable doing the methods I saw before. Like doing a backup then going stock then reinstalling root. Im hoping there is a apk file and only needing to install that and be done. I looked and couldnt find anything but that is probably my fault. Lol
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byebyev8 said:
I was wondering if a new method to install the last OTA was out. I didnt feel comfortable doing the methods I saw before. Like doing a backup then going stock then reinstalling root. Im hoping there is a apk file and only needing to install that and be done. I looked and couldnt find anything but that is probably my fault. Lol
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Easiest way is to download the firmware from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=43418277 then download the app mobile odin from the play store. Then use the app to flash the tar file and then you are on the mf9 baseband and firmware. Then flash the mf9 rom and you have the entire OTA update.
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Seriously? If you are rooted. Just flash mf9 stock rooted ROM.
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Like windows, the best way is to do a full install and not an upgrade. Use PC Odin to flash the official full mf9 md5 tar. Reroot it. PC Odin seems to do a more thorough job than mobile Odin pro app. IMO, back up everything then do a full flash. The file is like 2.2gb. Yes that patch upgrade might work but you will have better performance and less problems if you do a full install tar.md5. I haven't messed with the full zip cwm flash, so I can't vouch for it. I have done what I explained and noticed better performance than just taking the update file. Yes it's more work but I, and a few other people, agree it's worth the extra time spent. Titanium backup can help speed things up, but doing the full job is better IMO.

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Seriously? If you are rooted. Just flash mf9 stock rooted ROM.
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Flashing the rom does not give you the modem/firmware.
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wotandsdwys said:
Flashing the rom does not give you the modem/firmware.
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Bet he was referring to this method or similar: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2357471
Which IMO the steps listed by crawrj in post #2 is still the easiest/fastest way to get to stock rooted MF9. But to each his own.

Yeah, I was ready on the mf9 rom, so just downloaded the firmware tar and used mobile odin for that. Haven't noticed any performance issues or anything, although I have nothing to compare it to other than different roms.
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Ok. Here is what I have done and where I am at. First off I consider myself a noob. I am rooted with odex. I used the method from qbking77. My build was mdl on both lines under about phone. No issues there at all.
So last night I downloaded the MF9 zip file. Not the ones from craw. I used oden. I had to update the one file in note pad. I then put the MF9 file in the pda field on odin and installed. It installed and said passed. Now under about phone the build says MF9 and the other is mdl. No biggie there. Now the new rom is not taking. Im getting the stupid knox message and will delete that. My wifi is not working. I did read that a guy flashes the new rom and kernel and everything was fine. I go into twrp to flash the rom but cannot find it. I am assuming it starts off with mf9 in file name. This is where I need help and that help dumbed down for me. I just want the app to sd and the camera update.
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To get WiFi to work you just need to.flash a new kernel. Go with agat or ktoonz. You need to be on MF9 based ROM to have the apps to SD and the camera update.
To update your baseband you need to flash the update modem zip. I'll try to get you a link.
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The mf9 does show but it isnt what is running. It did load once last night but everything of mine was gone and I kinda freaked out and reloaded a backup.
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byebyev8 said:
The mf9 does show but it isnt what is running. It did load once last night but everything of mine was gone and I kinda freaked out and reloaded a backup.
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I'm not entirely sure what you're asking here.
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I've had bad luck with every custom kernel. Some, after flashing, the phone heats up and won't cool down. All of them seem to make my keyboard flip out.
For using Mobile Odin pro, it finished the flash much faster than PC Odin, so I wonder if it did everything properly. With my previous phone, e4gt, it wouldn't flash modems. I don't know if it works or not with this phone. I haven't tested. Tested meaning purposely flash a md5 with a different baseband to see if it actually changed it.

Let me see if I can say this better cause I am a noob. I am running odex rooted. Basically stock. I want MF9. I installed MF9 and it shows that under about device. Now when the phone boots it is still running 4.2. 4.3 is not running. When i finally got 4.3 to run all my apps and everything was gone. I freak out and installed a backup so now im back to 4.2. Now on 4.2 and 4.3 my wifi is not working. So what I need help with is getting 4.3 to run and my wifi to work.

byebyev8 said:
Let me see if I can say this better cause I am a noob. I am running odex rooted. Basically stock. I want MF9. I installed MF9 and it shows that under about device. Now when the phone boots it is still running 4.2. 4.3 is not running. When i finally got 4.3 to run all my apps and everything was gone. I freak out and installed a backup so now im back to 4.2. Now on 4.2 and 4.3 my wifi is not working. So what I need help with is getting 4.3 to run and my wifi to work.
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What the heck are you talking about? 4.2.2 is the only software available for the Sprint S4. The MF9 update does not update your android version to 4.3. It is just a service update to touch wiz to improve performance and add some features. 4.3 android is a work in progress on our phones and not 100% functioning.
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cruise350 said:
What the heck are you talking about? 4.2.2 is the only software available for the Sprint S4. The MF9 update does not update your android version to 4.3. It is just a service update to touch wiz to improve performance and add some features. 4.3 android is a work in progress on our phones and not 100% functioning.
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What he said. What specific rom are you trying to install? If it's Touchwiz, it'll only be 4.2.2. Which recovery are you using?
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I was only trying to uae that as a exaample but didnt say so. I know there is no 4.3. I should have added that. My fault
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I used qbking77 root method. I only used odex and twrp. I havent installed any other roms. Under device info its MF9 and MDL. Sorry I confused this issue with my noobness.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=43418277
This is the method I used to install MF9. I really need some help!

Use this, not the one you posted. That'll confuse you if you're new. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2375523
Official MF9 tar is up~!
Use this to root. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2291827
[SPH-L720] CF-Auto-Root
Sorry, I'm doing all this copy paste on the phone.

[ODIN] mk1 stock firmware

here's the latest stock firmware i found on sam mobile. I uploaded a copy to my dropbox.
MK1 for us wifi p600
use odin to flash
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/za3p2rfrhobzvp0/9umpI6NL3a (CF Auto root tar file)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1gnsk1ocrlo1j12/RN5GuoiR10 (MK1 firmware tar file)

Thanks for this.

I have to ask, but why the hell does your copy show as 2.1 gigs in the drop box link you posted but when I went to sammobile I found their copy to be 1510 gigs . Something ain't right. Recommend NOBODY download EITHER files until a good explain at'on for this difference is presented, Not trying to call the OP's rep into question, but this needs to be addressed right away.

Mine is extracted
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I took the firmware from Sam mobile, correct at 1.5 compressed.. It downloads as a zip. I extracted it, which gave me 2.1 gb
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If you don't want to use it or trust, whatever. Take the long time to download it via Sam mobile then.
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http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/1/?model=SM-P600&pcode=0#firmware
Link to sam mobile
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http://www.samsungis.com/download/XAR-P600UEUBMK1
Another site to download
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If i use odin to flash it, i
Will it trigger the knox?
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BooBoo_el_Locco said:
If i use odin to flash it, i
Will it trigger the knox?
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6K fair Enough just had to ask , as something didn't seem right . Why post the extracted file though?

Is this the 3rd OTA update, or are we expecting a 4th one now and you are just posting it early?

I don't know which update it is exactly. When everyone was carrying on about new update I went searching. I had rooted via cf auto root and yes it trips knox. I'm not concerned about tripping it. I wasn't able to get the download, must have been doing steps wrong. I had factory reset after Odin back to stock and wouldn't even check. someone else posted a mention of mk1 so I went and downloaded.
on why I put extracted version, I just didn't know any better. sorry...flashing and all the varies things I've become to understand somewhat I'm still not 100% proficient.
I believe most are on mj4, which was what I had previously.
hope it helps whomever.
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Just a heads up. my Dropbox link was restricted due to high traffic. I got an email. I apologize for any inconvenience. I have the alternate links to the direct downloads as well.
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aburns7487 said:
Just a heads up. my Dropbox link was restricted due to high traffic. I got an email. I apologize for any inconvenience. I have the alternate links to the direct downloads as well.
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Could you please share the alternate link for the CF auto root.tar? Thanks in advance
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gqinside said:
Could you please share the alternate link for the CF auto root.tar? Thanks in advance
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just look in the dev section for this tablet.... i think that people need to be asking chainfire if they can re-host/mirror his file... there's more than enough bandwidth to go around to download a 10mb file for the auto-root
and to the OP.... i didn't mean to come across as a ****, i just found it very odd that the file was much, much bigger than the original one. fair enough that it was unpacked.... just found it odd, and i wanted to throw out a warning, just in case there was something more going on
but yes, once unzipped, you're correct, it's about as big as the dropbox said it was.... so fair enough
for future reference though, if you're going to post a link to a big assed file like this, keep it packed up, if not for the people downloading it's sake, but also for the fact that it uses less of the bandwidth and thus more people will get a copy before the limit kicks in, or before someone starts getting charged or whatever happens.... just saying, much more convienient to have the file as small as possible, and also helpful and nice and reassuring to have the MD5 check out with the original and/or the file just look like the original

Sounds good. I usually don't post links but will take the advice.
For cf auto root just download from chains post. I'm not trying to step on any toes.
I think the best links I posted are for the sam mobile that as time goes on people can update per themselves.
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Just to be sure, if you flash this through odin, your entire device will be reset right?

I did not experience a data wipe at all when purely flashing. to avoid possible issues, you could factory/reset prior to updating. Just my own opinion. If you flash it via odin, it will remove root, but your knox will still be tripped most likely.
I only did a factory reset because I thought If I unrooted and went back to.mj4 I'd get the update but I was not so lucky as it still said modified on checking for update. This is what lead the look for mk1 software.
I flashed via ODIN, mk1 then ODIN flashed cf auto root then ODIN flashed TWRP then ran titanium back up and I was good to go.
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Also an FYI, don't flash Dark horse inverted apps yet. I failed to pay attention to Deodexed only part. which caused me to re Odin the 3 steps again....don't be that 1, I already was for you...
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aburns7487 said:
I did not experience a data wipe at all when purely flashing. to avoid possible issues, you could factory/reset prior to updating. Just my own opinion. If you flash it via odin, it will remove root, but your knox will still be tripped most likely.
I only did a factory reset because I thought If I unrooted and went back to.mj4 I'd get the update but I was not so lucky as it still said modified on checking for update. This is what lead the look for mk1 software.
I flashed via ODIN, mk1 then ODIN flashed cf auto root then ODIN flashed TWRP then ran titanium back up and I was good to go.
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Thanks for the heads up.
My note is still completely stock. I'm interested in flashing this because we haven't had the update yet here in the Netherlands and I would really like to experience the improvements in lag.
Perhaps I will have some more patience or maybe I will flash this

[Q] Noob bricks his S4...and recovers; but needs help fixing

I successfully installed something like MF9HotspotMod last month and everything was cool until I did the Android 4.3 update. Then I attempted to root the phone again and bricked it for a day with in stuck on the yellow sprint screen until I did my next trick.
I went into recovery and installed jlftespr_mja_text2.zip after trying many attempts I read off of forums. This was the only rom that actually got my phone to work.
Everything looks good except for a had some issues with the phone not working in LTE areas. Sprint said to turn LTE off and set the phone to CDMA only (that really didn't solve the issue but got them off the phone.)
How can I get this back to as close to as possible stock rom, something that will run the Multiwindow App that uses Xpose Installater (the best thing to happen to phones since the G1 came out!), and get free wifi hotspot?
Android 4.3
L720VPUEMJA
Kernal: 3.4.0-1927016
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JSS15J.L720VPUEMJA

If you want to get back to stock you have a couple of options, download the full MJA tar from sammobile or a mirror site and install via odin, then root it with cf autoroot and install the MJA hot-spot mod. Or download the rooted stock MJA rom from the development section and install then install the hot-spot mod. Simon center you are having problems with your radio, I would recommend starting crash with the full tar.
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Isn't that the rom I already have installed?
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cfclay said:
Isn't that the rom I already have installed?
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Nope its this one. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2522810
You need to download that tar file and odin and just flash it. This will delete your internal memory and then try to perform ##27286# in the dial pad and try it and see if it works.
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ROMANTiC KiD said:
Nope its this one. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2522810
You need to download that tar file and odin and just flash it. This will delete your internal memory and then try to perform ##27286# in the dial pad and try it and see if it works.
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When you say "the tar file"- are you talking about the third one on the of the link you sent, the kernel?

cfclay said:
When you say "the tar file"- are you talking about the third one on the of the link you sent, the kernel?
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Nope not the kernel just the one of the other two zips. The kernel is built in the the tar file. Just download which ever one. Extract it, you just get a .tar.md5 file. Start odin and put it in the pda slot. Set the phone in download mode. Connect to the phone. Flash it. BTW THIS WILL DELETE YOUR INTERNAL MEMORY SO MAKE A SAFE! BEFORE ANYTHING! Once that is done. Boot into recovery. Should be stock recovery now. Just do a factory reset and reboot. And presto you should be stock mja. Just go to the dial pad and enter ##27286# and it should reboot a couple of times. And see if that helps you.
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Nope not the kernel just the one of the other two zips. The kernel is built in the the tar file. Just download which ever one. Extract it, you just get a .tar.md5 file. Start odin and put it in the pda slot. Set the phone in download mode. Connect to the phone. Flash it. BTW THIS WILL DELETE YOUR INTERNAL MEMORY SO MAKE A SAFE! BEFORE ANYTHING! Once that is done. Boot into recovery. Should be stock recovery now. Just do a factory reset and reboot. And presto you should be stock mja. Just go to the dial pad and enter ##27286# and it should reboot a couple of times. And see if that helps you.
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You the man, thanks! This code of ##27286# doesnt work though. It tries to make a call

cfclay said:
You the man, thanks! This code of ##27286# doesnt work though. It tries to make a call
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You meant ##72786# maybe?

cfclay said:
You meant ##72786# maybe?
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Yeah that sorry i was a bit tired writing that lol
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Thank you!
Now can you tell me what's the best method to root for purposes of getting multi window support and Wi Fi hotspot?
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[Q] Noob problems with my I337

Hi everyone, I have been a fan of the xda website for a long time and you guys have always helped me solve my problems with my phones.
This is the first time I need something that I haven´t been able to find. Forgive me if it is already answered but I cannot find it.
Basically my problem is that I was trying to rom my phone for the first time and it failed.... miserably. I did not brick my phone; it still works, starts up and functions normally except for a few key things: a few programs do not function any more, most notably the wifi, contacts and dialer app, the lock screen widgets and some others.
What I did was installed safestrap, then downloaded the gravitron rom. I put everything in the right place, created the extra rom slot, then is where the noob came in. I forgot to switch over to the rom slot and instead installed over the main rom... Wow much noob, right?
Anyway, what I want to know is if there is any way to salvage my phone? I am on baseband mf3 and with the research I have done, I have concluded I am screwed until odin files for mf3 come out. But if there is any way I can get my phone back to normal I would appreciate it so very much.
Thank you all in advance for your help. I apologize if i have left anything out but I will give any info on request.

No love for the guy with busted wi-fi?
Please help me! I'm killing my data plan... and it's really annoying to not be able to use my dialer or contacts.

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No love for the guy with busted wi-fi?
Please help me! I'm killing my data plan... and it's really annoying to not be able to use my dialer or contacts.
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Sounds like you're on mf3 firmware? If so, I'd flash that firmware and start over. Google mf3 tar files xda

If on MF3 you will need to flash the modules provided in the development thread. If on MK2, you will need to manually place them because there is no flashable modules yet AFAIK. No need to start from scratch unless you want it back to complete stock.
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jd1639 said:
Sounds like you're on mf3 firmware? If so, I'd flash that firmware and start over. Google mf3 tar files xda
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I am on mf3 baseband, i forgot to add that to the op.
I have tried flashing them with odin already, it instantly fails. Though I did it again just now to be sure with the same results.
Any other suggestions?

You don't flash the modules in Odin... You flash them in the SS recovery.
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graydiggy said:
You don't flash the modules in Odin... You flash them in the SS recovery.
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How would I go about doing that? I have tried copying the jellybean folder from the mf3 tar files on to my phone and going to install in SafeStrap, but I cannot install them as they dont even appear. Should I be going to a different place to install?

The modules are in the SS development thread. It is a zip file.
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The modules are in the SS development thread. It is a zip file.
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Ahhh fantastic, you're a lifesaver! My wifi works now! Woot!
So now, is there any way I can get my phone back to stock? because my calendar and my dialer and contacts still don't work for me...
I think something happened when i installed the rom over my stock rom. whoops.

There are MF3 tar files. You can flash with Odin.
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There are MF3 tar files. You can flash with Odin.
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Ok that's the one I was trying to do but it fails instantly. I downloaded the mf3 tar files from xda, loaded them up like the thread suggested, put the phone into recovery mode but it instantly fails.
Any thoughts on why?

Drivers, USB port, cable. My money is on drivers though. Check all three.
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[Q] Accidentally installed VZ firmware (i think) on ATT (SGH-i337)

HI everyone. I think i accidentally installed the wrong firmware on my att sgh-i337 GS4. I'm not positive but that's what I think will happen. Appears that it is not rooted as I ODIN keeps failing. Also wireless does not work so I cannot get any internet connection to work. I just want to get back to ANYTHING usable. KIES does not see my device. Please help me get back to anything. I was trying to help a friend with his phone and ended up in this state so I want to get it back to him working in anyway. I've done a few of these and never had this much trouble. Help please. Thanks.

Just flash the correct firmware in Odin. Do you know what firmware version the device was on?
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jd1639 said:
Just flash the correct firmware in Odin. Do you know what firmware version the device was on?
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Right. I've been trying to do this. Whenever I do that ODIN says "AUTH FAIL" Originally i was on ATT Stock 4.4.2. Thank you for your reply. Very much appreciated.

fuzzyreets said:
Right. I've been trying to do this. Whenever I do that ODIN says "AUTH FAIL" Originally i was on ATT Stock 4.4.2. Thank you for your reply. Very much appreciated.
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Are you flashing the nb1 tar file
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jd1639 said:
Are you flashing the nb1 tar file
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Not sure. I have one that I thought was correct from the other day when I started this mess. Can you tell me where to get the appropriate file?

fuzzyreets said:
Not sure. I have one that I thought was correct from the other day when I started this mess. Can you tell me where to get the appropriate file?
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Look in the general forum, index all things att......
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Look in the general forum, index all things att......
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Okay. Is this correct? I was going to use the "rootable" one...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2674223
Thanks again for the help.

fuzzyreets said:
Okay. Is this correct? I was going to use the "rootable" one...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2674223
Thanks again for the help.
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Yes, that should work
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jd1639 said:
Yes, that should work
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Cool. Thank you.

jd1639 said:
Yes, that should work
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Awesome! Fixed! Thank you a million. Now, what's the proper way to root this device at this point? I spent at least an hour reading about how to root the sgh-i337 with 4.4.2 which it appears this phone is now running. I don't want to go through that mess again. If you could provide me this step now I would really appreciate it. Again, can't thank you enough.

fuzzyreets said:
Awesome! Fixed! Thank you a million. Now, what's the proper way to root this device at this point? I spent at least an hour reading about how to root the sgh-i337 with 4.4.2 which it appears this phone is now running. I don't want to go through that mess again. If you could provide me this step now I would really appreciate it. Again, can't thank you enough.
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Use towel root by geohot. Just Google it
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Use towel root by geohot. Just Google it
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Okay I will try that again. I did use that first last time and it would appear rooted based on the root checker app then I would reboot and it would say it's not rooted. Additionally things that required root said the phone wasn't rooted.

fuzzyreets said:
Okay I will try that again. I did use that first last time and it would appear rooted based on the root checker app then I would reboot and it would say it's not rooted. Additionally things that required root said the phone wasn't rooted.
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Also getting tons of unauthorized actions messages...

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Also getting tons of unauthorized actions messages...
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Again see the index, all things at&t.... You should do the update to nc1 before rooting with towel root
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Again see the index, all things at&t.... You should do the update to nc1 before rooting with towel root
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I know I"m killing you here but i'm treading lightly based on my last experience. The NC1 update I found is only 20mb. Not a full build obviously. The thread says this:
"irst you need to odin back to stock NB1, and then flash the NC1 update in stock recovery.
NC1 update zip can be found here.
https://mega.co.nz/#!L55B1DoI!uALQRe...BBQgwT-wfC6ByY"
Not sure how to do that at htis point. Thanks.

fuzzyreets said:
I know I"m killing you here but i'm treading lightly based on my last experience. The NC1 update I found is only 20mb. Not a full build obviously. The thread says this:
"irst you need to odin back to stock NB1, and then flash the NC1 update in stock recovery.
NC1 update zip can be found here.
https://mega.co.nz/#!L55B1DoI!uALQRe...BBQgwT-wfC6ByY"
Not sure how to do that at htis point. Thanks.
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Also..yes trying to figure it out based on "Post 3" as indicated but I'm not totally sure where i'm coming from or where I'm going...