long press - Nexus 7 (2013) General

Anyone else getting flaky long press detection (distinct issue from jumpy multitouch)?
Seems worse if I use the flat of my finger as opposed to the tip (using the tip seems 99.9% reliable)

I'm having the same problem, but I don't really think its a big deal.

Don't think it is a hardware problem if that's what you mean. I think the threshold is set a little low. Any slight movement in your finger is translated into movement, even when the contact patch changes. For example if you roll your finger a little, or press down harder it interprets the slight change in the contact area as a drag. That's why if you use your finger tips it works. You're less likely to roll your fingers and even if you press harder the contact changes less. Happens to me too. Just have to remember to be steady and your pads work fine.
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wintermute000 said:
Anyone else getting flaky long press detection (distinct issue from jumpy multitouch)?
Seems worse if I use the flat of my finger as opposed to the tip (using the tip seems 99.9% reliable)
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SpOoNeeUs said:
Don't think it is a hardware problem if that's what you mean. I think the threshold is set a little low. Any slight movement in your finger is translated into movement, even when the contact patch changes. For example if you roll your finger a little, or press down harder it interprets the slight change in the contact area as a drag. That's why if you use your finger tips it works. You're less likely to roll your fingers and even if you press harder the contact changes less. Happens to me too. Just have to remember to be steady and your pads work fine.
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I believe your theory is correct

It seems long-press false-trigger on the keyboard is happening frequently since applying the latest update. Hold down, for example, the 'a' key to see what I'm referring to. Fortunately, it's adjustable under 'language & input', 'Google keyboard', 'advanced settings', 'key long press delay'. I had to change it from default of 300ms to 500ms.

Once I trained my finger to apply zero force and just rest lightly on the screen, most of my long press problems went away (though I still seem to have a terrible time getting the "paste" button to stay up on text fields - picking up my finger to move over and press "paste" usually seems to be interpreted as some kind of movement and the "paste" button disappears on me again).

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Am i the only one with this touch screen problem ?

Sometimes the touch screen is WAY off and only restart is fixing it. Noticed this 2 times already.....
I've noticed this too. I was using the browser, and my screen presses were registering as all sorts of random things (like pressing the middle of the screen would press the zoom button). Restarting the browser seemed to fix it.
Add it to the nexus one issue list.
Postal76 said:
I've noticed this too. I was using the browser, and my screen presses were registering as all sorts of random things (like pressing the middle of the screen would press the zoom button). Restarting the browser seemed to fix it.
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that's from a lack of multitouch. your hand is probably just barely touching the lower corner of the glass. when you press again in the middle, it registers on the softkeys. it is one of the things I *HATE* about this phone. I always seem to be touching the screen on the very edge. you almost cant use it with just one hand.
I find that I do that with my HTC Magic sometimes as well, the 'webbing' between my thumb and index finger sometimes touches the corner of the screen and brings up the 'app menu' in my left hand, or the 'add widget' menu in my right hand (sense ui). Just another general thing about touch screens and their placement
the four touch buttons arent that accurate. didnt have this problem on the droid. i rarely miss it there but on the nexus is becoming 50/50 chance of it not registering.
Lol how are you guys holding the phone, i always use it one handed and havent expirienced this, i guess everyones different.
bradsh1 said:
that's from a lack of multitouch. your hand is probably just barely touching the lower corner of the glass. when you press again in the middle, it registers on the softkeys. it is one of the things I *HATE* about this phone. I always seem to be touching the screen on the very edge. you almost cant use it with just one hand.
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This not necessarily a problem with this phone in particular. It is a phenonema that happens on all capacitive touch screens (that do not have multitouch). I work with them all the time (much larger scale) and the slightest touch on a border results in what appear to be calibration issues.
Multi touch takes into account for this, non multitouch does not.
This has happened to me also. Same exact thing, in the browser, the touch was way off, really way off. I was pressing the middle and the zoom button pressed. It was on the table so I know my other hand didn't touch it. It was also vibrating sometimes when I pressed the middle of it. Restarting seems to have fixed it for now.
happened to me in SMS and browser and the only fix was restart the phone.....so its not me accidentally touching the screen in another point.
ps. its so bad that i couldnt even use touch screen to power off the phone. i had to use track ball. (now i know why its there )
I've had this problem as well as other with touch screen. Sometimes I will hit an icon on the main screen and it will jump screens. When I'm in the menu's i hit one of the options and it goes to the one underneath it. I'm CLEARLY hitting the option I want and not the one below so it is infact a hardware problem in my case. I will be in the browser and hit a button and it will exit out of the browser, very annoying! Mine is unlocked but I wrote HTC so lets see what they say.
its a known prob with this phone, ppl are complaining all over Google forum, its very annoying, when it happens it doesn't just happen in the browser, also in text message n home screen ect...
jamesyb0i said:
I find that I do that with my HTC Magic sometimes as well, the 'webbing' between my thumb and index finger sometimes touches the corner of the screen and brings up the 'app menu' in my left hand, or the 'add widget' menu in my right hand (sense ui). Just another general thing about touch screens and their placement
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Webbed fingers are gross.
I have now experienced this definitively once. It happened while using the dolphin browser. I wiped the screen off, set it on a table, poked with only one finger, and could not for the life of me get the software keyboard to click on the correct button. Just wouldn't happen. Had to restart the phone to fix it. But it's only happened once since I got the thing on launch day.
^ same thing for me. Does the OTA fix this, I have not received it yet. Wish I saw this before I created a thread, sorry.
s15274n said:
^ same thing for me. Does the OTA fix this, I have not received it yet. Wish I saw this before I created a thread, sorry.
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i dunno, but touches (especially multitouch) seems ALOT more responsive and accurate than before i did the new update... i used dolphin prior and pinch zooming seemed jittery and like the phone didnt want me to do it... now everything seems smooth as butter!
obviously this is only short term though, but hopefully this fix will also address some of the calibration issues (that i also experienced) that the N1 has been known to have...

Anyone have trouble with Tapping on the Textbox to bring up the Keyboard?

Whenever I try to start/respond to a sms, it takes about 10 tries of me tapping on the textbox at the bottom of the screen for it to recognize I'm tapping it and to make the keyboard come up.
My buddy, who will use my phone, can do it almost every time though... I'm coming from an iPhone so I'm used to touchscreens. I've tried with/without my nail, using my entire THUMB, using just the tip of my thumb.
I dunno what to do... Any ideas? Thanks
I noticed that this will happen to me on occasion. In my experience with it, if I tap towards the top of the box it will work the first time, but if I tap towards the lower bottom then it doesn't work so often.
actually, this used to happen to me alot.
then I noticed that every time i was trying to touch the text box, my thumb, or another finger from my other hand, was also touching the screen.
And since the stock keyboard doesn't have a detected multi-touch input, when there are two touched, the input value is returned as null.
So, once i figured that out, i never had a problem. But, there has also been complaints about the touch screen calibration being off, so...you can never know unless you mess around
Ill give those tips a shot! Maybe adding the multi touch hack will help too...
It also helps if you don't just tap really quick, but press it instead(well not really press, but leave your thumb or finger on it for a second).
I'm sure there are weird calibration issues near the bottoms of our screens. When I first got the phone, I really thought it was broken or there was a huge bug trying to get the virtual keyboard to come up while writing SMSes. Like david said, try touching a little higher than where the text box is to bring up the VK. Usually, I aim at the top border of the box. Now I rarely have to touch more than once to bring it up, but it's still an issue that should be addressed by HTC (or maybe Google).
heroskyy said:
actually, this used to happen to me alot.
then I noticed that every time i was trying to touch the text box, my thumb, or another finger from my other hand, was also touching the screen.
And since the stock keyboard doesn't have a detected multi-touch input, when there are two touched, the input value is returned as null.
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This is exactly what I determined. My keyboard pops up every time when press near the top of the input box.
Is this a hardware issue - or something a future update is able to correct?
You can long-press the "Menu" softkey to open the keyboard at (almost) any time.
When this happens to me i just push in the trackball and the keyboard pops up.
tiltman71 said:
When this happens to me i just push in the trackball and the keyboard pops up.
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I also noticed if you get a lot of texts or have a lot of texts the problem gets worse.

Capacitive button fix???

I have read a lot about the capacitive buttons on N1 being a little faulty.... it responds only when clicked on the upper half of the button... Just wondering if some developer here already found a fix for that...
If not, then is this a hardware limitation or some software glitch?
I think it's a hardware limitation. Once you get used to it it's just fine, but I agree it bothers me sometimes to have to touch it twice.
Some ROMs keep adding and removing the capacitive fix.
I dont see a problem.
You have to accept that they are different buttons.
-> On the screen I tab softly..
-> The cap.buttons, I hold my finger... (never tab it)
When you forget this, you tab on them like on your screen icons and you got to tab more times and start worrying about them...
I believe the capacitive button bug was fixed with google official OTA update.
I clearly had it before (had to hit on the upper part of the buttons) and now it's gone since the update
You can fix it? Mine is still like before.
waanz said:
I believe the capacitive button bug was fixed with google official OTA update.
I clearly had it before (had to hit on the upper part of the buttons) and now it's gone since the update
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are you serious ???
Yea mine are fixed too on cyan's latest.
faraz1992 said:
I have read a lot about the capacitive buttons on N1 being a little faulty.... it responds only when clicked on the upper half of the button... Just wondering if some developer here already found a fix for that...
If not, then is this a hardware limitation or some software glitch?
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They work fine if you just aim a tad high on the button. You adjust quickly.
What about the "area expansion fix"??
I have just upgraded to 2.2.. It still has problems with only the top half of the soft buttons being sensitive. I have also noticed that unless I'm holding the phone or touching the metal casing the buttons don't really work at all. It seems like a hardware issue. Although I do have thick skin from playing the guitar and rockclimbing. So I'm probably not as capacitive as the avarage user. Just wondering if anyone else has the same problems or even a fix?
Yeah I have to hit the upper part of the button as well. I would be interested in finding a fix for this too....
I'm running the stock OTA 2.2.1 rom right now if that helps any.
There is no fix, and the problem exists for all N1s ever produced. Hit the buttons on their top side.
I disagree, I hit mine bang on the graphic. Originally I did have to use the top but an update did fix it.
yeah there is no software fix for this its a hardware issue, i have to press mine on the top half, its never really bothered me though because most of the time i use my thumb and its so large it never misses the buttons hehe
i'd be curious to know though if the ones claiming that its fixed on their N1's how old their N1's are the newer ones may have a different touchscreen that had this issue fixed if its even possible to fix, if you look at the width of the screen border at the sides that is about equal to distance of the dead zone at the bottom of the glass so my guess is its by design and they may not have even been able to make that area of the glass touch sensitive due to how close to the edge of the glass it is
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I disagree, I hit mine bang on the graphic. Originally I did have to use the top but an update did fix it.
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try to press them at the lower half only pressing on the graphic works fine on my N1 most of the time, pressing right above the graphic always works. if i try with my index finger to press the lower part of any of the graphics it never works.
Anyone on cyanogen vouch for it being a software issue.
It's not software. I've had 2 N1's, and both do this.
I've disassembled one of the N1's about 10 times, and I've seen the under-side of those capacitive buttons. The part that detects the finger is really small. Probably 1cmx1cm box. And it's naturally placed a tad bit above the actual icon on the capacitive button. Just hit the button with your entire finger, not just the tip, and it will be fine.
Or keep crying about it. It's not ever going to be fixed. It's the way the phone was manufactured.
Frito11 said:
try to press them at the lower half only pressing on the graphic works fine on my N1 most of the time, pressing right above the graphic always works. if i try with my index finger to press the lower part of any of the graphics it never works.
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Yeah lower portion is no-go, but dead center is bang on each time.
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Yeah lower portion is no-go, but dead center is bang on each time.
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Same here no problem at all on the graphic
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Side button sensitivity

Just got my Streak the other day and noticed that it's quite difficult for me to get the haptic response from the three side side buttons (return, menu, home), particularly the return menu. I usually can't get a response from a finger tip unless I touch it repeatedly, and I usually need to press down harder than I think I should and with at least a half inch diameter of my finger. Is that normal?
Sounds odd never had that problem I can just tap mine quickly and it picks it up. It could be possibly where your pressing maybe.
Thanks for the reply. Is yours as sensitive as touching the touchscreen? Mine definitely isn't.
AndrewKl said:
Just got my Streak the other day and noticed that it's quite difficult for me to get the haptic response from the three side side buttons (return, menu, home), particularly the return menu. I usually can't get a response from a finger tip unless I touch it repeatedly, and I usually need to press down harder than I think I should and with at least a half inch diameter of my finger. Is that normal?
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This seems to depend on your fingers! (too dry or wet skin?)
Try to let somebody else do the same thing...
You will be surprised.
I did first think maybe your fingers were not conductive enough but as you say the screen is working ok then I reckon your buttons are not working as they should. Contact Dell or your provider?
For reference my screen and side buttons seem to be equally sensitive, in fact I could do with the side buttons being a little less sensitive..

Desire Z issues

hey guys,
i want to collect all (hardweare) issues u have with your desire z. i bought mine on monday, got it on wednesday.
since i have the device, i see these issues:
Touchscreen does not respond while the device is plugged in to the power adapter and is fully loaded (when its still loading the touchscreen works perfectly)
nothing happens when i press the trackpad button (is it a button? when i press on it i can feel the pressure point like a standard button)
display does not stay in position when you hold the device tilted
what issues do you have? can you confirm the issues i have?
espacially the touchscreen issue is strange and annoying
the-virus said:
Touchscreen does not respond while the device is plugged in to the power adapter and is fully loaded (when its still loading the touchscreen works perfectly)
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My touchscreen works fine so far and doesn't have this problem. Maybe you use a non-standard charger? I once experienced the same issue on my old Motorola Milestone with a Blackberry charger (the touchscreen became erratic), changed it to my original charger and didn't receive any problem since.
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nothing happens when i press the trackpad button (is it a button? when i press on it i can feel the pressure point like a standard button)
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Yes it is a button. If you use it on a list pressing the trackpad is equivalent to a tap. If you mean to use it to wake the screen then it will not work as the standard Sense UI doesn't support this.
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display does not stay in position when you hold the device tilted
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I grew accustomed to hold the upper part of the phone (the display) with both of my index finger when using it at bed. I once perceived the hinge mechanism as a "weakness" for this phone, but I learned to get pass this.
The trackpad button basically works as an "Enter" button. It has no function on the homescreen. But you can use it to select an item on a list, such as the apps page, or the links on a web page.
What angle do you mean, when you say the screen moves? In the "normal" angle (right side up, with the phone tilted towards me), mine is very solid. If held upside-down (such as typing while in bed), the keyboard has a tendency to close, as its pretty much meant to do. Just the slightest pressure from my index fingers will hold the screen in place (I find my index fingers to rest on the sides of the screen naturally, and hardly even have to think about it).
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