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so i was wondering, is there a windows mobile 7 ROM that can be installed on the Desire HD. and what about Dual boot Android / WM7? thanks.
Not a chance, Buy a HD7 if you want Windows Mobile.
I just /facepalm when I see these threads... Everytime.
There's nothing to facepalm.
There wasn't less effort to port Android on Windows devices, but it happened, and we have Windows-based devices fully running Android.
But I don't this happening in the near future because there was a need to port Android to Windows devices, because Windows sucked balls.
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There's nothing to facepalm.
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Not using the search function, and not Googling and making your fist post a question that has been asked before is most definatly a /facepalm.
Would it be possible to run Windows Phone 7 on the Xoom you think. I know theJPhone part won't work. But just to see how it might look and run. Just a thought.
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I sure hope not... eww.
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Windows 7 isn't supported on Tegra processors. Thats why you won't be able to install it.
i hope noone who has the ability to maybe realize that is trashing his abilities so hard.
Maybe Windows 8 as its supposed to support ARM processor instructions. Start looking for a leaked beta soon.
Also for future reference only post in the Development section if your developing something (an application or ROM). This doesn't include asking about developing something.
Hey All,
So can I just ask why?
I mean I have a Windows Phone 7 phone as my backup/work phone (benefit of being in IT I get to not order my self a blackberry or an Iphone) and I can honestly say its a nice device and have owned 3 different generations of Zunes. Battery life is excellent and the UI is nice and clean and it works well. If I wasn't as vested as I was in android I would possibly consider making that the OS of my primary phone (which is currently a Droid X) once they have them on good old Verizon and HDMI out. That being said even good old Microsoft (who I actually really like) has said Windows Phone 7 is a phone only OS and not meant to be run on tablets. The whole design of the OS actually kind of falls apart if you imagine it on a large display since its novelty instead of having sub windows have everything on one horizontally long display, with the sub menu features essentially hidden off screen.
Now as for Windows 7, as of this point it wouldn't be possible. Windows 7 currently supports only x86 and x64 chips and google stopped supporting these processor types in android after 1.6. Which is the odd reason why some of those new dual boot android/win7 tabs all use android 1.6. So to pull off a main stream Windows OS on this tablet you will have to wait for Windows 7 Embedded (which is win 7 + mobile cpu/gpu support) or Windows 8.
Once they release an offical beta of Win 7 Embedded I have a funny feeling it will be ported to all sorts of devices
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Reading the replies for that gentleman post is like reading a rude war against someone who is just asking a very simple question in an open forum, well people you all shouldn't be that rude to him.. replying with some helping words is better than posting harsh words.. aren't you all knowing what is the meaning of being "Polite"?
may be some day..
it would be a huge undertaking to do something like this.
however, despite feelings running high and peoples obvious favour toward android i do think it would be great to be able to run Windows7 or Windows Phone 7 on the Xoom.
Take as an example the HTC HD2 - its a windows mobile device that now supports the following list of operating systems..
windows mobile ce
windows phone 7 series
android stock
android sense
linux ubuntu - kubuntu
maego
windows95-98 ( emulation )
this is simply because some very talented developers locked on to the HD2 as it was the first superphone with a big screen and big power, and it came along before Android had such devices available...
back to the XOOM - i doubt we will ever see this sort of porting wizardry on our Xooms but nothing is set in stone, if someone could create something like MAGLDR (see HD2 forums) but for the Xoom then we could all enjoy a huge range of operating system choices.
Also, we all need to be aware that for the most part devices are perfectly able to run all sorts of operating systems in theory but as they are mass produced by manufacturers the way they are today we don't get to enjoy the fully unlocked benefits that we could.
imaging buying a pc and finding it wasn't possible to install LINUX instead of Windows !! - you would take it back to the store !!
Okay so i haven't offered a solution here - but lets not stop the imagination of others providing ideas that may some day become possibilities. and lets all hope that some day we can buy tablets like we buy pc's, with the ability to be loaded with a choice os O/S solutions.
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Immature forum members.....
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Hey guys, just came across this article that compares the features of RT and Windows 8 Pro version
Should I get the windows RT, which will be cheaper and I will get office with it. Or should I get Windows 8 Pro? (I'm aware of the $40 upgrade but this is mainly for buying a new computer)
Will the metro apps take care of most of the computing needs? I only need office and photoshop, everything else is done in browser.
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Hey guys, just came across this article that compares the features of RT and Windows 8 Pro version
Should I get the windows RT, which will be cheaper and I will get office with it. Or should I get Windows 8 Pro? (I'm aware of the $40 upgrade but this is mainly for buying a new computer)
Will the metro apps take care of most of the computing needs? I only need office and photoshop, everything else is done in browser.
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Get Windows 8 Pro. Think of them like this:
Windows 8 Pro includes:
- Traditional desktop apps, so think of all the apps for Win 7
- Tablet apps, apps that you find on the store
Windows RT only includes the "tablet apps."
What Microsoft essentially did was create a system within Win8 where they added a layer where it functions as a tablet and all the tablet apps also work on Win 8. Pretty slick, but a little confusing. Example, an app behaves differently within metro than within traditional Windows... Overall, for $40, if all your apps work with Win8, then it's definitely worth the price.
Errr. Do you have a hybrid pc or something like that? RT version doesnt sell just like this. Windows 8 RT just come within your new tablet/ARM gadget. You cant purchase and install it.
You just have Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro and Enterprise (if im not mistaken). Anyway, Get Windows 8. There is no need to get Pro version.
Use Enterprise if you need wtg if not professional.
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Enterprise also allows side loading metro apps a bit off topic for this but worth saying as this is a dev forum. Though i think enterprise is only available to business users (i may be mistaken as i have access to it i have not really checked but i did hear this).
I have downloaded msdn enterprise rtm trial to make my own wtg. When windows 8 releases I'll use pro.
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Errr. Do you have a hybrid pc or something like that? RT version doesnt sell just like this. Windows 8 RT just come within your new tablet/ARM gadget. You cant purchase and install it.
You just have Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro and Enterprise (if im not mistaken). Anyway, Get Windows 8. There is no need to get Pro version.
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I am aware that Windows 8 RT comes with the device, you can't buy it. But, I was asking if it would be worth it to buy that device with RT or wait for Windows 8 Pro b/c the battery life might be really bad with the Pro version.
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I am aware that Windows 8 RT comes with the device, you can't buy it. But, I was asking if it would be worth it to buy that device with RT or wait for Windows 8 Pro b/c the battery life might be really bad with the Pro version.
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I think the point is, no one knows.
patience my friend, it wont be long now and the inter Wibble will be full of reviews to pick over.
Battery life will depend greatly on the devices hardware. According to what Intel claims Intel Atom based tablets will be available with a battery life of up to 10 hours. Those would support Windows 8 Pro and should offer comparable battery life to Windows RT tablets. But I guess we will have to wait until they are actually on the market to answer this.
you cannot buy Windows RT standalone, it only runs on ARM CPU's and is only available preinstalled on ARM hardware, dilemma solved.
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Photoshop will not be released(at least in full form) on RT. That means that an RT device is totally worthless.
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Photoshop will not be released(at least in full form) on RT. That means that an RT device is totally worthless.
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It will be, if it is there for Android tablets, it will be released for Windows 8 RT as well.
TravisAntonio said:
It will be, if it is there for Android tablets, it will be released for Windows 8 RT as well.
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Photoshop for android is not Photoshop. It's photoshop express, and contains an extremely limited subset of features. Photoshop does everything you could imagine that's photo related. Photoshop express for android just does common photo editing tasks.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.com.adobe.pstouch
this is PS for tablets, it's something different than PS express
I don't think Windows RT worth it. Its like windows 8 retarded.
true that it would be cheaper but still should cost as much as an ipad or android tablet.But with the ipad u got a whole lots of apps, while there's plenty for android too. There are not much app for RT right now.
Capabilities wise, windows 8 come first. android is quite a powerful mobile os, then there's the jailbroken ipad. WinRT is the worst of these bunch
So no apps,no capability should equal no buy
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phailyoor said:
Photoshop for android is not Photoshop. It's photoshop express, and contains an extremely limited subset of features. Photoshop does everything you could imagine that's photo related. Photoshop express for android just does common photo editing tasks.
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darth5zaft said:
I don't think Windows RT worth it. Its like windows 8 retarded.
true that it would be cheaper but still should cost as much as an ipad or android tablet.But with the ipad u got a whole lots of apps, while there's plenty for android too. There are not much app for RT right now.
Capabilities wise, windows 8 come first. android is quite a powerful mobile os, then there's the jailbroken ipad. WinRT is the worst of these bunch
So no apps,no capability should equal no buy
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It's just matter of time for apps to go out. I'm going to join Win8 Development soon.
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.com.adobe.pstouch
this is PS for tablets, it's something different than PS express
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Whoops. It's still not full photoshop though, and only comes with very basic functionality.
Also-4MP image size limit. not enough for most pro photo editing.
phailyoor said:
Whoops. It's still not full photoshop though, and only comes with very basic functionality.
Also-4MP image size limit. not enough for most pro photo editing.
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Why are you so focused on going agaisn't Windows 8 RT?, look at the good side of it... :fingers-crossed:
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Whoops. It's still not full photoshop though, and only comes with very basic functionality.
Also-4MP image size limit. not enough for most pro photo editing.
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And that's why ALL pro photo editing is done on a proper PC and not a tablet. This is a joke saying RT is rubbish because of this I mean name 1 pro that will use a tablet let alone a competitors one ie android or ipad. Its like the world has lost the plot and the rubbish I read spewing over the web about windows 8 is some of the worst fud I have ever seen.
If your going for photo editing you need to be looking at least at a pro hybrid but I would say you will need more grunt like a dell xps machine.
I am going to buy the Windows 8 Pro version on release and get the upgrade for £25.00.
Windows 8 is 20% faster than Win7 in following Startup, Shutdown, Gaming, Browsing and general app loading
On top of that security is alot better than 7
I personally think Win 8 is better than Android.
Windows 8 sucks, to be honest. At least on a desktop.
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I personally think Win 8 is better than Android.
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No and it's because of 3 reason
1. Arm verison of windows 8 need a "bios" aka special bootloader for it too work on devices which s3 doesnt have
2. Microsoft wouldnt let anything that runs android run windows on it instead
3. windows 8 RT will only work on specific hardware and resolutions that s3 doesnt have like 1366x768 res
boyhandsome said:
I personally think Win 8 is better than Android.
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Then buy a windows 8 phone and not android.
Personally I think windows phone is sh*t.
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I wouldn't piss my money away on a Windows 8 phone but dual boot Android/Win8 is something that's already got me salivating.
I reckon Win 8 Phones have their place in the market... At the BOTTOM... LOL. But seriously, I had my hands on some DEMO gear and its not that bad. It's good to see a more level playing field as all that really means is more CHOICE for all.
I think the question should be: will win8 phones able to run android ?
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No and it's because of 3 reason
1. Arm verison of windows 8 need a "bios" aka special bootloader for it too work on devices which s3 doesnt have
2. Microsoft wouldnt let anything that runs android run windows on it instead
3. windows 8 RT will only work on specific hardware and resolutions that s3 doesnt have like 1366x768 res
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though its not possible to port win8 to s3 due to copyright issues, your 1st and 3rd point is not true
1. bootloader is hackable
2. 1280x720 is supported in win 8 mobile
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No and it's because of 3 reason
1. Arm verison of windows 8 need a "bios" aka special bootloader for it too work on devices which s3 doesnt have
2. Microsoft wouldnt let anything that runs android run windows on it instead
3. windows 8 RT will only work on specific hardware and resolutions that s3 doesnt have like 1366x768 res
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HTC HD2 also Windows, but can install Android..i think S3 can install Windows 8
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though its not possible to port win8 to s3 due to copyright issues, your 1st and 3rd point is not true
1. bootloader is hackable
2. 1280x720 is supported in win 8 mobile
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1.
http://arstechnica.com/information-...othing-or-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/
completly locked down so it's kinda a hard
2.
we got the wight but not the hight or visa verca
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/03/21/scaling-to-different-screens.aspx
lockmunk said:
HTC HD2 also Windows, but can install Android..i think S3 can install Windows 8
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It's like saying i got triers so they will fit a car , bike or boat.... reverse engineering is a bigger job than u think just watch the Idroid project , so just because HD2 could run windows phone 6.5 doesnt mean that my S1 will run WP7
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I reckon Win 8 Phones have their place in the market... At the BOTTOM... LOL. But seriously, I had my hands on some DEMO gear and its not that bad. It's good to see a more level playing field as all that really means is more CHOICE for all.
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well said...but keep in mind guys...HTC HD2...living proof of XDA Devs...KUDOS.
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HTC HD2 also Windows, but can install Android..i think S3 can install Windows 8
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Im not saying its not possible but I doubt many Devs will invest so much time and effort in producing a port that is partial and not effective...even the HOX port to S3 is not easy feat by any means...and keep in mind...thats Android to Android lol...
I personally think windows 8 on phone sucks....but as a tablet computer it is pretty good. If windows 8 could support all (or atleast most) of the apps for windows (.exe) it would be great, imagine loads of apps. And more over all the developing, rooting, flashing roms on android phones could be done anywhere (not literally) just via the tablet. I personally think windows 8 on a tablet would change the life of all normal pc users. As for gamers!!! and heavy duty devs, the most powerful pc is also weak.
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I personally think windows 8 on phone sucks....but as a tablet computer it is pretty good. If windows 8 could support all (or atleast most) of the apps for windows (.exe) it would be great, imagine loads of apps.
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I believe apps would have to be recompiled for ARM. Right now 99% of apps would not work.
WIndows ing system is KING. But as for a phone... I think ANDROID has that title at the moment.
But I would like to have the option to have windows 8 on my phone just to play with it abit.
I wonder why any devs could not get the same framework and just change the drivers around to match that of a s3.
I mean its software on hardware. If you have the space and right kind of hardware anything i think is possible. If you know how to manipulate software very very well
<QUOTE>I believe apps would have to be recompiled for ARM. Right now 99% of apps would not work</QUOTE>
some tablets run on intel processors....so i believe they might run as usual.
Real question is as always will a Dev be bothered to try to port it .
Its never a question of users wants always developers choice .
Unless of course someone needs Windows that much they pay to have it developed privately .
Second question is how long before w8 port leads to Microsoft's lawyers gearing upfor action .
jje
buy ativ s then your problem solved
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Then buy a windows 8 phone and not android.
Personally I think windows phone is sh*t.
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WP8 and Windows 8 are not the same.
But seriously Windows 8 is a tablet OS. It is not easy to use on a 4.8inch screen.
Wp7.5 was horrid. Wp8 will probably be the same..
On a tablet.. hmm maybe worth looking at. On a desktop... i had the beta... piss poor..
I now have the new beta on the xbox.. looks alot like windows 8.. but... i like the new dash for one reason..
Microsoft finaly got their fingers out thier jacksys and intergrated internet explorer..
Personally.. i hate anything to do with windows excpet the fact that when they break.. i get work..
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1.
http://arstechnica.com/information-...othing-or-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/
completly locked down so it's kinda a hard
2.
we got the wight but not the hight or visa verca
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/03/21/scaling-to-different-screens.aspx
It's like saying i got triers so they will fit a car , bike or boat.... reverse engineering is a bigger job than u think just watch the Idroid project , so just because HD2 could run windows phone 6.5 doesnt mean that my S1 will run WP7
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You are talking about Windows 8 (RT), and that might be really hard to get on the S3. However, Windows Phone 8 does accept our resolution (see the ATIV S for example).
What people seem to be missing is that we have the Android sources. This means that it's "easy" to change the source code and make it run on different systems. Windows Phone (and Windows) is closed source. It's a "black box". You can't see what's inside, so it's very hard to mod it to make it run where it isn't intended to. This is the reason why no device has been hacked to run WP7, even when its hardware would allow it to (such as the Nokia N9).
It will be easier to run Android on the ATIV S than WP8 on the SGS3. Not saying it's impossible, just that it's very, very hard. Much harder than Android on the HD2.
Windows 8 CAN run on arm, we know that. Or at least, a modified version can anyway. What do you reckon our chances of getting a Windows 8 port to our devices? Maybe a port from Microsoft's Slate Tablet? Maybe the only thing preventing this would be legal issues?
I realise some XDA members may find this proposal ridiculous, but I thought I'd just put it out there anyway .
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Windows RT isn't open source and comes only preloaded onto devices; I don't think it's happening
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Surely Microsoft would be happy to sell Nexus 7 owners a license. Its worth asking xD
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but HTC HD2 got windows phone 7 port...
chaplinb said:
Surely Microsoft would be happy to sell Nexus 7 owners a license. Its worth asking xD
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Wouldn't happen for a couple reasons. First and foremost is that the Nexus 7 does not meet the minimum hardware requirements set forth by Microsoft for Windows RT tablets. Secondly, it would further undercut their OEM contracts since RT is currently only licensed to them. Thirdly, there's a lack of drivers for our hardware. Fourthly, the bootloader would need to be locked down tightly with no way to unlock.
Finally, I highly doubt you'd ever see it ported, as any dev who did try would find themselves on the losing end of a rather substantial lawsuit coming out of Redmond.
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Why would you want to downgrade your N7 anyway? That's like installing Windows 95 on your 3rd gen Core i7 desktop.
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Wouldn't happen for a couple reasons. First and foremost is that the Nexus 7 does not meet the minimum hardware requirements set forth by Microsoft for Windows RT tablets. Secondly, it would further undercut their OEM contracts since RT is currently only licensed to them. Thirdly, there's a lack of drivers for our hardware. Fourthly, the bootloader would need to be locked down tightly with no way to unlock.
Finally, I highly doubt you'd ever see it ported, as any dev who did try would find themselves on the losing end of a rather substantial lawsuit coming out of Redmond.
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While I don't technically disagree with what you're saying (Port is unlikely), I do disagree with some of your reasoning. The requirements of Windows 8 compared to the Nexus 7 are irrelevant, XDA is all about getting devices to do things they were never designed to do in the first place. The HD2 is a great example of this, as it runs ports of every major mobile OS out there (as well as a few not-so-major ones). This kind of shows that how it affects OEMs is somewhat irrelevant as the same thing can be said about most devices from the Windows Phone/CE days. Even if that were true, the numbers of people who would actually buy a Nexus 7 just to install Windows 8 on it (or who WOULDN'T buy a Windows 8 tablet because they can use their N7) are probably very small.
Similarly, I don't think Microsoft has ever taken any of our developers to court. A C&D might get sent out, but that's probably the height of it. It certainly hasn't prevented developers from trying before.
I think the bootloader is completely irrelevant as well, why does the bootloader have to be locked down? To meet Microsoft's licensing requirements? That doesn't make any sense, nothing would be licensed (Which is what makes the whole thing a grey area for sure) so licensing requirements don't matter. The fact that we have reasonable control over the bootloader is actually a massive advantage.
The real issue that you've mentioned is regarding drivers. There's very few RT tablets out there right now so there isn't a lot of drivers we can pilfer (Although it probably will help that Surface is based off of Tegra 3 - which is what the N7 uses, albeit not the same type). Never mind that, not a lot of research into RT has happened just yet so the ability to pilfer ANYTHING is up for debate right now - surface is certainly going to be locked down to a large extent and as far as I'm aware there aren't going to be any System Dumps lying around that we can use either so there's a lot to do before even considering porting to something like the N7. I doubt anything like that would happen any time soon and by the time it does (assuming it ever does), the N7 might be old hat. None the less, I wouldn't rule it out as a definite no, just more of an extremely long shot for now.
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surface is certainly going to be locked down to a large extent and as far as I'm aware there aren't going to be any System Dumps lying around that we can use either so there's a lot to do before even considering porting to something like the N7. I doubt anything like that would happen any time soon
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Lol it's a Microsoft/Windows device. With their track record, there'll probably be a system dump before customers even start receiving devices
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Then again since when have we ever seen windows mobile os's ported over to android devices on this site, I've seen an ipod touch run android in my lifetime, but never any ports of Windows mobile 5, 6, 7 to any devices, but we ran android on windows mobile devices using haret.
I've toyed around with Windows Mobile 8 and Windows 8, it kinda reminds me of what windows ME was supposed to be ( being sarcastic) , it's a good OS but nothing to loose sleep over. By next year we will be asking for a Windows Mobile 9 port that will also never come to light.
At least we have Ubuntu running unoptimized on our N7............
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put win8 on desktop
http://www.splashtop.com/home
^install that
Profit
HD2 Can, why not Nexus?!
Cotulla, from this very forum!
HTC HD2 runs Windows RT...
http://www.xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/htc-hd2-refuses-to-die-now-runs-windows-rt/
Very talented developer. He got further than I ever expected.
Wake me if he ever makes it do anything useful.
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Splashtop 2
You can always use Splashtop 2 to mirror you windows 8 PC to your Nexus 7.It works surprisingly well.
matb321 said:
You can always use Splashtop 2 to mirror you windows 8 PC to your Nexus 7.It works surprisingly well.
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So I can remote into a Mac, does that mean it can run Mac OS as well. This is useless.
wondows architecture is x86 based. windows rt is arm based. on nexus7 impossible to running windows desktop os. however, its possible to running windows rt on nexus7 if it's bootloader unlocked and customized for booting win rt.
I can run Windows 7...
Theoretically, I am able to run Windows 8 Developer/Consumer Preview or Windows 8.1 PAE/NX Patched.
BUT THIS IS SO... SLOW