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[Q] New Nexus 4 or used Xperia Z?

Simple question: new Nexus 4 or used Xperia Z (condition: noticeably used, but without big scratches, ~7/10)?
If you could, please write pros/cons. I'd really appreciate any help! Thanks.

Taranis said:
Simple question: new Nexus 4 or used Xperia Z (condition: noticeably used, but without big scratches, ~7/10)?
If you could, please write pros/cons. I'd really appreciate any help! Thanks.
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absolutely nexus 4 !!! i didnt buy my nexus with the great price of google store i paid around 450 euros and i never will regret this treasure i get better support better quality better development and better community is are biggest pros.. a great screen maybe not 1080p but still amazing and both have same spec almost both snapdragon s4 pro with 2 gb ram but can u say Z is more beautiful than N4?! choose google! u will have the support from mama! :good:

I went from N4 to an XZ then back to an N4. I found the XZ too big and awkward to use, it lags a bit more than the N4 too.

Or maybe Xiaomi MI2S? Currently beats all phones!

Its the Nexus 4 forum, it'll be obviously biased towards the Nexus 4.

^^ somebooty isnt happy. Remember opinions; we all have em and breathing is good.
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I used one for a bit in a Sony store. I didn't like it. It felt more uncomfortable in the hand, it lagged, and even though the screen was 1080p, it looked worse. The colors looked way off, didn't really look great, and the viewing angles were terrible. I would get a Nexus 4.
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The nexus 4 is awesome!!
Fastest android device u can get (in terms of ui smoothness) as of now
But hey the experia z is so sexy i like it a lot and also the 13 mp is a pulse too only thing holding me back from buying it is it being a bit too large .

Do you guys still in the USA via the Play Store the Nexus 4 will still be cheaper than the Moto X?

If I was going to buy the phone JUST to use it, no developing no nothing, I'd get the XZ. It looks great and it performs well.
If I was going to buy the phone to mod and develop, I'd get the nexus 4.

That's another reason I went back to the N4, the dev community for the XZ isn't very active. For example there's only 1 custom kernel and it only works with stock based roms. I was bored.

Bought Nexus 4 16GB in latest HW revision. If someone has similar issue between the phones, you can ping me via PM. Thank you all.

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I would actually buy a lg g2.. Or wait for a nexus 5
Me Gusta!

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I would check out the z1 in a store nearby first, the screen and the thick
bezel around the screen aren't very pretty..
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There's an international version of S4 that has same hardware as X1. It's the S4 i9506
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MuF123 said:
Z1 is out, half as much powerful, half as much larger
If you would be buying right now, would you instead go for Z1? If yes/no, why?
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Would I change my S4 for a Z1? No.
Would I buy a Z1 instead of S4? Yes.
Two simple questions, to begin with, I got a S4 in the end of June, so it was still the best device along with the HTC One, if you're going to wait for the next huge release you'll wait forever, as in 6 months a new beast appears!
I really like my S4, however I've always been a Sony fan, and Z1 is better than S4 in some aspects, also it includes Bravia Engine and xLoud (for music lovers like me the sound is incomparable, I for myself like more the sound of my brother Xperia Play than my S4 lol), and don't forget it includes the Snapdragon 800, which is even better and charges faster.
As far as I can tell, both devices are amazing, you won't disappoint with either, it's now just preference, we achieved in a point in power that you can chose anything, that one will be better than other in certain aspect and you'll like one more than other for that aspect, because tell me, what big difference would be from a device to other, they are all fluid and fast now lol.
Hope this helps a little .
All the best,
~Lord
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Will the S4 be the last Samsung Smartphone you buy?

Sadly due to all the crap Samsung is doing atm with it's smartphones I've decided to part ways with my S4 while it still worth something, & that will be my last Galaxy S i buy.
As from now on the only Android smartphone i will buy will be the Nexus range, as i want the freedom to do what i want with my Smartphone, without having to worry about warranty problems should something go wrong with the hardware, that is not the fault of a custom rom or kernel.
I'm using my trusty little Nokia 800 as backup now until the Nexus 5 32gb launches which i'll be ordering as soon as it shows up on the Play Store in the UK, I'm just hoping now the camera & video recording quality is at least on par with the Galaxy S3 this time around unlike the Nexus 4 which tbh had a terrible camera.
The S5 can be the best thing since slice bread, but with all the lockdown Samsung is currently doing it might aswell rename itself Apple.
Anybody else also plan on ditching Samsung due to the way they are going?

ixon2001 said:
Sadly due to all the crap Samsung is doing atm with it's smartphones I've decided to part ways with my S4 while it still worth something, & that will be my last Galaxy S i buy.
As from now on the only Android smartphone i will buy will be the Nexus range, as i want the freedom to do what i want with my Smartphone, without having to worry about warranty problems should something go wrong with the hardware, that is not the fault of a custom rom or kernel.
I'm using my trusty little Nokia 800 as backup now until the Nexus 5 32gb launches which i'll be ordering as soon as it shows up on the Play Store in the UK, I'm just hoping now the camera & video recording quality is at least on par with the Galaxy S3 this time around unlike the Nexus 4 which tbh had a terrible camera.
The S5 can be the best thing since slice bread, but with all the lockdown Samsung is currently doing it might aswell rename itself Apple.
Anybody else also plan on ditching Samsung due to the way they are going?
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FOr me Yes and no I love the TW features and pure android is smooth and fast but again its boring as well....When i say TW features I aint talking about the gimmicky ones but the useful ones like the camera, and others I am tempted to buy the nexus 5 but as my s4 is just 2 months old and especially after the brilliant job samsung has done with the 4.3 update am not sure I will stick to the S4 atleast till the S5 arrives

Updating my phone to 4.3. Heard that It is smooth and that's what I want. Sometimes I think to get Nexus 5 but then I realize how useful TW features are to me.
I've used Xperias (for a year or so) and even iPhone (for somedays) but none satisfied me as much as S4.
The most important thing that keeps me on Samsung is the Camera. Features + Quality. Yes, I'm sticking to Samsung

Definitely. I've had the S2 for 1.5 years and then the S4 for six months. I'm thoroughly bored of the Galaxy S range now. Gonna switch to some other OEM for the next phone. Or a nexus maybe if it doesn't compromise on screen, battery life and camera.

100% no samsung for me in the future. With no sources for exynos and all the knox ****, I am fed up. I could live with TW but the fact its laggy even with 2 gb ram and an octa core processor, I think I will look at other options.
Cheers!!
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I hate Samsung and their current Knox implementation, turning them into Apple basically. Also I feel their AMOLED technology is nowhere near perfect (low brightness, unreadable under direct sunlight compares to LG screen or Iphones). However, no other phone in this current generation I can switch into. Newest releases contains so many flaws that are such a deal breaker for me: LG G2 without micro sd; Iphone 5s with terrible iOs 7; Xperia Z1, well, let's just say that it doesn't even ring any bells around. All and all, as much as I loathe my s4, I still have to stick with it because there is no other viable alternative that suit my needs currently. Probably won't be using s5 and try to avoid samsung like a plague next generation.

I went with the S4 GPe, and didn't look back. I looked at the Nexus 4, and it lacked features that I needed; no LTE, no 1080p screen, not enough storage or MicroSD to make up for the lack of storage, and no removable battery. Even the Nexus 5 won't have a removable battery, and while 32GB is an improvement, i need at least 48GB for my usage (I have 80GB on mine).

count me in.... i'm fedup with all samsung crapness... next will be a sony or a nexus for me

I'm done with Samsung definitely my next is gonna be something else, not because I think they suck or I'm against their practices but cause I've been using Samsung exclusively since the Galaxy S up till my current S4 and I think I need a break from Sammy!

AsterFenix said:
I hate Samsung and their current Knox implementation, turning them into Apple basically. Also I feel their AMOLED technology is nowhere near perfect (low brightness, unreadable under direct sunlight compares to LG screen or Iphones). However, no other phone in this current generation I can switch into. Newest releases contains so many flaws that are such a deal breaker for me: LG G2 without micro sd; Iphone 5s with terrible iOs 7; Xperia Z1, well, let's just say that it doesn't even ring any bells around. All and all, as much as I loathe my s4, I still have to stick with it because there is no other viable alternative that suit my needs currently. Probably won't be using s5 and try to avoid samsung like a plague next generation.
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iOS 7 isn't all that bad tbh from what I've seen of it, my sister just got herself an iPhone 5s, so like anything i had to have a good look at it & at one point i was actually tempted to get myself a 32Gb iPhone 5S, but the screen abit on the small side for my liking.
The camera on the otherhand is brilliant, really have to give Apple credit for this, the camera functions itself is very basic not many options to mess with, but soon as you take a picture 99% of the time the images are spot on & even stay looking decent in low light aswell, something i found impossible to do on the S4 was to get a decent image in low light as most of the time it came out as a blurry mess due to the camera lag, which the 5s doesn't have a problem with.
If the iPhone 6 has a bigger screen & iOS 8 allows widgets then i might be slightly tempted to switch next year & just have a Nexus 2014 tablet for my Android fix.

I'm new to Samsung. Can somebody tell me what the knox implementation is?
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As long as they keep releasing phones with Google Edition roms available, I'll stay with Samsung. 1080p amoled + sdcard + switchable battery + decent camera + stock android = almost the perfect device for me (performance could still be better, but that is mostly an android problem (and don't give me **** about how your phone isn't lagging because it is, you just might not perceive it)).

Yup Sony for me next time. I've had every Galaxy S since the S1 but Samsung have really put me off.
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Give me a nexus with an awesome camera, Bluetooth 4, beep n go, and a memory card slot and I'll give up Samsung.
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Maybe is my Last, i'm taking a Sony device
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I'll definitely stick to samsung, take note that this is just my personal opinion.
I like touchwiz, for me it's very simple, i've had the xperia z for a couple of months, s4 camera i would say is far better, and i don't like the way the sony launcher is. And definitely the screen on the sony ones has not impressed me at all, i even owned an xperia tx but on all sony is prone to quick scratches even the sony z1 has the same screen compared to samsung's screen, which are much better.
The only drawbacks i have against samsung is about the plastic body, and chinese manufacturers can easily make a copy of the phone!
well despite the fact that for the i9500 in terms of rom development is slow, i prefer stock rom! it's very stable!
so i will definitely stick to samsung unless s5 mess things up
i would then move to an htc phone maybe! :3

kesh9293 said:
I'll definitely stick to samsung, take note that this is just my personal opinion.
I like touchwiz, for me it's very simple, i've had the xperia z for a couple of months, s4 camera i would say is far better, and i don't like the way the sony launcher is. And definitely the screen on the sony ones has not impressed me at all, i even owned an xperia tx but on all sony is prone to quick scratches even the sony z1 has the same screen compared to samsung's screen, which are much better.
The only drawbacks i have against samsung is about the plastic body, and chinese manufacturers can easily make a copy of the phone!
so i will definitely stick to samsung unless s5 mess things up
i would then move to an htc phone maybe! :3
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People on about knox bootloader etc being implemented and that samsung have locked there bootloaders,yeah its a blow but then again we have to remember that Sony,Lg and HTC also lock there bootloaders so its nothing new,yeah Sony screens arnt that great anymore,they look a bit washed out now,T was nice device,I loved my T before it got beer damage,in my opinion the Hardware of the s4 isnt to bad,yeah it is plastic which is a let down but the software is the issue,its heavy due to all the bloatware,slim roms work really well but is it my last Samsung phone,we shall see,at the moment i think HTC one is best alternative,the only thing that gets my back up with Samsung isnt with the s4,thats surprising but with the Galaxy Camera,lovely device but its like theyve forgoten it already ,no updates for past 6 months

jaykresge said:
I went with the S4 GPe, and didn't look back. I looked at the Nexus 4, and it lacked features that I needed; no LTE, no 1080p screen, not enough storage or MicroSD to make up for the lack of storage, and no removable battery. Even the Nexus 5 won't have a removable battery, and while 32GB is an improvement, i need at least 48GB for my usage (I have 80GB on mine).
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Same here. Removable battery is priority #1 for me. SD card slot is a very close second. I also like the shape/profile of the GS4 over Nexus devices, but that is a minor concern compared to the previous points. LTE is also very nice, but not a necessity for me. If a Nexus device had removable battery and SD card, I'd probably choose it.

If there is another high end phone with removable battery, sd card slot, ir blaster and a Qualcomm SOC I will buy non Samsung.
But those things are more important than anything else.
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Keep S4 for a while.
S4 is good choice. I have octa core version and with litlle work new jb 4.3 can be rooted and debloated. Knox applications should be removed ,possibly with aromafm in recovery before booting.

[Q] How is your note 3 holding up?

I currently own a HTC One M8 and thinking about going to the note 3. Because I love big screens and a decent camera on a phone, none of which the M8 has.
So I just wanna know how you guys are finding it ?

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I currently own a HTC One M8 and thinking about going to the note 3. Because I love big screens and a decent camera on a phone, none of which the M8 has.
So I just wanna know how you guys are finding it ?
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Ive owned this device for almost 6 months now and I love it more today than yesterday.
Seriously though, the only flaw I see on the note 3 is its camera in low light. Other than that, a simple installation of nova launcher and your note 3 would be as smooth as silk. No other issues whatsoever.

I've used many, many Android phones in my time, and the Note 3 is the best. Bar none.
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I'm a big htc fan and thought I'd never jump ship but I did to the 2 and now the 3 which I've had for 5 months. I still love it and would buy it again.
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I had the s4 for barely a month and I was going crazy at how awful it felt in my hand. Got a good offer to jump to the note 3 and did so in a heartbeat. Dont regret it even one bit! Although still plastic it feels much better. I used nova launcher mostly and recently rooted and jumped to cm11 and the phone works great! I dont game much, a quick session if im bored or a new fun game comes out, but that lasts for only a day or two. I have noticed a slight battery drop on cm11. Its still in "beta" so im not to worried about that. But on touchwizz it could last a long time on H+ data. Just couldnt stand tw, its so ugly!

I'm coming from S4, and camera here is that much better, escpecially night mod! Love it.. And everything else.. Two sim model rocks.. I think for now dual sim note 3 is the best device you can find on market. So go ahead, buy one, fck htc.. i've had M7, and didn't like it.. liked the look, but not their android and camera for example
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Been a nexus fan, used to root devices as soon as I got home from the shop. The Knox flag is a major issue for those of us that like to toy around with different ROMs and tweaks, but the device itself is spectacular. I'm very pleased by the build quality, light and quality materials, very, very, very smooth. 8 days uptime and still devouring everything I throw at it. Battery life is more then decent and the overall experience is a joy. Buy it.
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The only weakpoint of the Note 3 is the outdated TW version, hope Sammy will bring the S5 TW to other devices too

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The only weakpoint of the Note 3 is the outdated TW version, hope Sammy will bring the S5 TW to other devices too
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Are you a bit obsessed with this S5 TW being brought to Note 3 thing ?
I don't like it at all, the S5 TW.
Just sayin.
And to contribute to the thread... Of course, go for the Note 3. I own it since its launch, and I couldn't tell you nothing bad about it. The screen size and the super amoled are perfect. The camera rules too, a bunch of options. And for me, having the Spen (the reason I bought the phone), it's even more of a joy to use the phone.
I'm running a custom stock kitkat rom, visually changed some things with Wanam xposed and I love it.
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Dejan Sathanas said:
Are you a bit obsessed with this S5 TW being brought to Note 3 thing ?
I don't like it at all, the S5 TW.
Just sayin.
And to contribute to the thread... Of course, go for the Note 3. I own it since its launch, and I couldn't tell you nothing bad about it. The screen size and the super amoled are perfect. The camera rules too, a bunch of options. And for me, having the Spen (the reason I bought the phone), it's even more of a joy to use the phone.
I'm running a custom stock kitkat rom, visually changed some things with Wanam xposed and I love it.
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Lord no, not obsessed. What i meant more is the bloatware that is included with the Sammy roms. Installing Echo rom as we speak with all the S5 UI looks

Almost got rid of it and got m8 but thanks to this leak their is hope

Lollipop is the only reason

I was wondering How many people are buying nexus 6 because of lollipop? I for one am.
Imagine for a moment if Note 4 also came with pure lollipop with no crappy touchwiz which would you buy? I didn't think i would say this but i would buy note 4 and I hate samsung because of plastic and touchwiz.
Galaxy Note 4 hardware wise is far superior in almost every dept, better camera, LED notification, S Pen, better and brighter screen, better design, finger print, sd card.
Speakers would definetly go to Nexus 6 and bigger screen butnot better screen.
Biggest let down on note 4 TOUCHWIZ which is a complete put off.
I've been waiting for nexus 6 for a little while now and have bought Note 4 recently which actually is better then i expected and does look premium and if i was to remove the dreaded TOUCHWIZ it's a very appealing phone. Now i'm considering waiting for custom roms rather then buy nexus 6!!! Or can someone convince me otherwise, perhaps i've missed some nexus pro's.

Aosp roms on the note 3 were not reliable. I expect the same for the note 4.

I've never liked the samsung cameras... my s4 and note 3 had TERRIBLE autofocus. I also didn't like the way it processed pictures. For the most part, I want a decent camera but I dont need an amazing camera.
If software were the same, (no touchwiz), I still think the nexus 6 looks better, has dual front facing speakers, and a larger screen.

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Aosp roms on the note 3 were not reliable. I expect the same for the note 4.
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hmm..that's a good point But surely lollipop would be fine.

I'm getting one because of the development potential. Also it will be my first nexus (2nd Motorola). Currently am on LG G3. That will now go to the wife, since she loves the camera.

tsy87 said:
I've never liked the samsung cameras... my s4 and note 3 had TERRIBLE autofocus. I also didn't like the way it processed pictures. For the most part, I want a decent camera but I dont need an amazing camera.
If software were the same, (no touchwiz), I still think the nexus 6 looks better, has dual front facing speakers, and a larger screen.
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The camera autofocus works brilliantly on the note 4 much improved, it's probably the best phone camera out there. Better then iphone and xperia z3.

I would definitely buy a Note 4 if it didn't have TouchWiz. IMO, TouchWiz is very ugly, cluttered, and drags the performance down to an unacceptable level. I have used every Galaxy S and Note extensively, but I have not bought a phone from Samsung since the S2.

fleadog99 said:
I'm getting one because of the development potential. Also it will be my first nexus (2nd Motorola). Currently am on LG G3. That will now go to the wife, since she loves the camera.
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Fair point, LG G3 was one of the most fustrating phones i've had in recent years. Never say never but i won't be buying LG for sometime until the get rid of the ui. Smart move passing it on to your wife.:fingers-crossed:

riz157 said:
The camera autofocus works brilliantly on the note 4 much improved, it's probably the best phone camera out there. Better then iphone and xperia z3.
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interesting... maybe im just not a fan of the way samsung processes images but I understand the tech behind the AF system it uses so it should be reallly good. As much as it pains me to say, I have yet to see an android take better pictures than the equivalent iphone of the time.

gtg465x said:
I would definitely buy a Note 4 if it didn't have TouchWiz. IMO, TouchWiz is very ugly, cluttered, and drags the performance down to an unacceptable level. I have used every Galaxy S and Note extensively, but I have not bought a phone from Samsung since the S2.
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I know how you feel and i couldnt agree more TW is ugly and slooooww.

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interesting... maybe im just not a fan of the way samsung processes images but I understand the tech behind the AF system it uses so it should be reallly good. As much as it pains me to say, I have yet to see an android take better pictures than the equivalent iphone of the time.
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Having owned iphone 6 plus inmho the camera on Note 4 is superior in most conditions.

I would've definitely bought a Note 4 if Samsung found a way to implement some of their features into Stock Android. They've done a great job with hardware now they need to focus on optimizing software. Samsung is supposedly starting over next year & I look forward to see what the Galaxy S 6 & Note 5 will bring

If you're on VZW there is a Dev edition note 4. I'm sure there will be AOSP Roms available for it soon.

tsy87 said:
I've never liked the samsung cameras... my s4 and note 3 had TERRIBLE autofocus. I also didn't like the way it processed pictures. For the most part, I want a decent camera but I dont need an amazing camera.
If software were the same, (no touchwiz), I still think the nexus 6 looks better, has dual front facing speakers, and a larger screen.
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Yes got to give the larger screen and better speakers to Nexus, however most reviewers are saying note 4 screen is sharper and brighter.

Lollipop is definitely the only reason not the phone hardware itself.
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journeyman73 said:
I would've definitely bought a Note 4 if Samsung found a way to implement some of their features into Stock Android. They've done a great job with hardware now they need to focus on optimizing software. Samsung is supposedly starting over next year & I look forward to see what the Galaxy S 6 & Note 5 will bring
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I hear you man, i think samsung need to otherwise they risk losing more customers.

Similar hw specs leave me hopeful for increased development and AOSP stability on Note 4.

I would get the N4 solely because the screen quality. It blew me away first time I saw it. Nothing, nothing comes close.
But can't do TW, no no no. That's how much I hate it.

Joshnor713 said:
I would get the N4 solely because the screen quality. It blew me away first time I saw it. Nothing, nothing comes close.
But can't do TW, no no no. That's how much I hate it.
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The screen on the note 4 is in another dimension. The best display ever seen on a phone by far.
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Bruce lee roy said:
Similar hw specs leave me hopeful for increased development and AOSP stability on Note 4.
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I was thinking the same thing.
I like some features of TW. But it is overbearing and slows down the device. I was really torn between the two phones. I have always liked the bigger phones. When I heard the new Nexus device was going to be a phablet I was already sold. Love the support the nexus devices get from devs. That's what makes it worth it for me.
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