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As i've previously mentioned here once (I think), i started a small forum where I tried to gather all the setups for running Android on various HTC models. Now that the HTC G1 (Dream) is soon released, we will will get some very interesting challenges while trying to build Android ROM's, etc..
This forum is great, but its also very big. Thought that it might be a good idea to have our android resources on a separate forum?
Anyways, thought i could register a domain and such, but for now the forum is at http://www.connect-utb.com/htcandroid
Some of you are there already! Hopefully, with the experienced user base we have here, we can get Android ROMS and whatnot for our HTC models, as the HTC Dream looks rather poor. (Although better devices will surely come in the future).
you must be joking. Android is a total OS unlike apps that we see all over which are portable among HTC devices. It takes months alone just to get Android as it is today for the kaiser. Mostly everything for WM can be ported among other devices which some exceptions to nontouch devices. It'll be a long time until you see Android ported over to more devices than now. My suggestion would be to use a device that's got android projects already in progress or at your nearest convenience to buy a device with android on it.
Think we misunderstand each other, but you dont believe that if we can extract the android ROM from the HTC Dream, and modify and install it on lets say, the Kaiser?
You can always try before saying that it isn't going to work.
I will track this post because i'm very curious by the Android OS.
I get it...and completely understand what this is about...it's HTC...which means theoretically we should be able to at least somewhat get it working...I've started a wizard thread on your new forum in hopes that any information or progress getting it ported over gets posted all in one location for easy access....kudo's for thinking ahead as I dont think android is going anywhere soon and while this forum is very useful it's mostly for winmo devices....nothing wrong with speading the wings a lil bit and branching out...
looking forward to the press conference!!
I would say we should be able to get Android to run on the OS level of our devices, but it will probably need a bit of modifying. However, since it's open source I'm hoping the modifying will be a lot easier because of this.
Hey,
I was just on HTC homepage ( htc.com ), where the G1 is shown.
They printed the specs, which are very similar to the diamond
Same chipset, same rom size, same ram size,...
SO I think, it would be ( maybe easily?) possible to port android to the diamond
greets doena
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I will track this post because i'm very curious by the Android OS.
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Same here!
If my memory does not fail, I remember that one of the first peaks at Android was being run in a Blue Angel. So, I guess there is a big chance that we might in fact be able to see Android running on more than one device (of course, you will have more or less features depending on the device's capabilities and hardware limitations, namely apps that work with an accelerometer, etc).
Maybe, the development should be worth following because as much as I don't want to believe it, my device (Blue Angel) will only trick death for so long (by death I mean not being able to move to newer versions of WM) and we will need a way to pass the time .
HTC Touch Vogue in progress of being ported
Hey don't forget about the senior member "DZO" that started ANDROID porting to HTC Vogue and it is Successful
This is his direct link to the files : http://cs-alb-pc3.massey.ac.nz/vogue
And here is the link to the posting: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265
I think he did a GREAT job porting Android. I am running Android 0.9 with most of the featuress except installing programs but only because he is the only one that does that. So, he needs help! I am sure... Plus, on this site people are cheeping in for HTC Diamond so he can work on that too...
Here is the link: http://www.myhtcphone.com
So, if you want something done we should start by contributing either money, or programming support! I wish I knew how to program this
ahhhh I wish I would have fully functional Android on my HTC
Thanks for the support! The forums are slightly active now!
Hopefully, we will be able to get Android running more or less flawless soon! As pointed out, its possible!
he he nice link, it seems that there are allready htc devices running with android.
just wondering, is it possible to have dual boot in one device ?
hmmm, seems to have no desktop syncing.. this may be a huge set back for anyone trying to get androig running on another HTC device.
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just wondering, is it possible to have dual boot in one device ?
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well currently (or in the case of the vogue) android is being booted via haret (a linux bootloaded) running on top of windows mobile.. so i guess its already kind of dual boot
For now, Android has to be run from within Windows Mobile, so no true dual boot yet
Already started
Hey you guys might want to check out the following links. Over at PPC Geeks they already have a thread going:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=23244
Also if you want to download the current Android cab for HTC go to:
http://www.myhtcphone.com/
doena said:
Hey,
I was just on HTC homepage ( htc.com ), where the G1 is shown.
They printed the specs, which are very similar to the diamond
Same chipset, same rom size, same ram size,...
SO I think, it would be ( maybe easily?) possible to port android to the diamond
greets doena
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Diamond doesnt have QWERTY keyboard, so i think it could be on Touch Pro instead
Someone ported Android for BlueAngel?
Please can someone tell me if Android is already running in BlueAngel? If there is a way show me how. Thanks Man!!!
Maybe I'm mistaken, but wasn't Android made so that it can run on a wide range of devices. I, for one, can't wait till its ported to samsung omnia. Damn, that would be good!
@Coldheat,
What does the cab file do? Its an OS, so cab file??
I was wondering if it would be possible to flash an android rom onto the HD2. Or if space could posibly allow to have both WM6.5 and Android on the device and you can boot one or the other by means of choocing one during boot phase of the device.
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I was wondering if it would be possible to flash an android rom onto the HD2. Or if space could posibly allow to have both WM6.5 and Android on the device and you can boot one or the other by means of choocing one during boot phase of the device.
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the beta Android for Touch HD is getting slightly matured now, but still pretty unusable, other than that, it is very hard to tell if the Android can be cooked and become fully working with any WM phones now. But if someone can get Android working, this is gonna be really exciting!
the furtherest along is the polaris/vogue/kaiser port and that is still not at a working rom yet, getting close now but no rom yet, still using harret to boot it.
For me, getting Android working correctly is a much higher priority than being able to boot straight into Android - effectively, all the need to boot WM and use haret does is increase the boot time.
Anyway, I do hope that Android is ported to the HD2, but WM7 is a higher priority because I can already run Android on my Touch Diamond...
Thanks for the replies. I didn't know there already was a port and you could boot Android inside WM. Since I own a Polaris I tried that the last few hours and Android works like a charm. It's a pretty neet OS.
I think if HD2 becomes popular, there might be a port for HD2, too. So there is actually no real need for my idea of a dual boot launcher, since booting it from inside WM is functional, too.
I really wouldn't want to miss out on Windows Mobile, even when Android is pretty nice.
The HTC Dragon may be the phone to consider if you want Android on a HD2-like device. Looks pretty similar to the HD2 in terms of specs; 1GHz Snapdragon, capacitive touchscreen, all the rest, but a slightly rounded and more chin-like format. Looks to me like a cross between the HTC Hero and the HD2.
http://www.engadget.com/tag/dragon/
For the chef experts out there... If you had to put a percentage on the chance that someone will cook up an Adroid 2.0 ROM that will work seemlessly for the HD2, what would it be?
Also, might this news have any effect on it? http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/android-2-0-ported-to-original-t-mobile-g1-video/
i wanna know too
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i wanna know too
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This thread has been dead for over 5 months! I've seen you in other android for HD2 threads... you already know that there is a linux/android port being worked on. The linux project thread is in the roms section. What is it you wanna know that's not already known?
Hi i already posted this on Android Community forum...but i think this must be more appropriate place...so does anybody has any info if it is possible to install the Android OS to a smartphone other than the one that comes with one?
Is it possible to lets say install the Android OS (Linux) to samsung hd i8910, that has symbian OS? Somehow change the firmware to the one with Android? What obstacles exist that this has not been done yet?
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Hi i already posted this on Android Community forum...but i think this must be more appropriate place...so does anybody has any info if it is possible to install the Android OS to a smartphone other than the one that comes with one?
Is it possible to lets say install the Android OS (Linux) to samsung hd i8910, that has symbian OS? Somehow change the firmware to the one with Android? What obstacles exist that this has not been done yet?
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one thing would be drivers.
is it possible to install Android OS on Acer E200 which comes with Windows Mobile 6.5? what are the tools to build the custom Rom?
Ok the drivers...that is major..is anyone doing something similar like writing the new drivers?
Takes a lot of time,knowledge and work to build drivers from scratch to different processors.Reasearch teams take months....
Even for qualcomm processors,because OS´s use it in a somewhat diferent way and is coded in the processor itself...thats what i understood for what i read...might be totally wrong i dont understand nothing about that.
Emulation is possible but it wont be the same...laggy,clutered,buggy,etc.
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Ok the drivers...that is major..is anyone doing something similar like writing the new drivers?
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I would highly doubt it, but it's always possible.
noaru said:
Hi i already posted this on Android Community forum...but i think this must be more appropriate place...so does anybody has any info if it is possible to install the Android OS to a smartphone other than the one that comes with one?
Is it possible to lets say install the Android OS (Linux) to samsung hd i8910, that has symbian OS? Somehow change the firmware to the one with Android? What obstacles exist that this has not been done yet?
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Here on XDA, Android has successfully been ported to the HTC Vogue (HTC Touch). Progress is going along rapidly on the Raphael, Diamond, and Blackstone. I don't know about any ports to Symbian phones though, XDA is oriented more towards WinMo.
There might be ports going on to Symbian phones, but there probably won't be much information on any Symbian devices here.
But yes, it is possible to port Android to another smartphone, it just requires a LOT of elbow work.
EDIT: Found this forum, it might interest you. People talking about Android on the i8910 http://forums.samsungi8910omnia.com...-cooked-roms/6239-android-1-6-i8910hd-19.html
Well its always nice to hear, that there is somebody doing something..like you guys here on xda. In the case of i8910 it is the matter of the pure hardware..and type of phone..that is very high end..and cannot be compared with phones of HTC type...not yet..i guess the speed, the capacitive touch screen..processor..camera..only bad thing is sucky symbian..
Hi, I'm thinking of how to port android or linux system to TG01, I do think it's possible, but not sure since I've never port android or moblin before.
Here are some of my thoughts:
First, a dual boot software might be used to ensure TG01 won't brick in case of port failure.
Then, can we dump the rom of Nexous one?
Furthermore, is it possbile to use the rom of winmo drives for android system?
Guys interested or skilled in android or linux system or , make contribution please!
The start to both (though it think that you were thinking of MeeGo not Moblin, which was x86 only) is a working Linux kernel.
HaRET is the tool to start the work on a working kernel, and a working kernel is what we need before we even start worrying about a dual boot bootloader.
Dumping Nexus One might help, but I believe it's not the right way. XDAndroid might be a nice starting point for the Android ecosystem, but not necessarily for the kernel. Otherwise I believe that there are some people that work on the HTC HD2, which is a Snapdragon device as well (though there are some differences (e.g. the TG01 has less Ram and most likely different WiFi, bluetooth, accelerometer or whatever chips)).
(I would like to help, but I am no programmer and not experienced with kernel stuff, but I could help with setting up a wiki and trying out stuff)
Please please please have a go. I can't help with anything except a small donation, as the reason I'm going to buy a TG01 is purely because I can't afford an HTC phone at the moment. I was really happy to see a section on the TG1 on here, which was the other reason I decided to go non-HTC.
Thanks to all of you. I can't accept any donation now.
Is there anybody want to set up such a project to port android on TG01?
I already wrote about this in the general section since the way we are trying to run linux/android is not with a rom but over the curent os.
Check this thread I posted it has more info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656056
Thanks,
Peter
dogguns said:
I already wrote about this in the general section since the way we are trying to run linux/android is not with a rom but over the curent os.
Check this thread I posted it has more info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656056
Thanks,
Peter
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maybe we need to make a detailed research first and then figure out a way to start
in my opinion it would be great.
I played with HTC Magic some time and I must say that Android is awesome. Android's applications are so great and free. We have to be honest WM has nothing if we compare it to Android or Iphone's OS. In WM market we can buy crapp for a lot of money and Android's free great apps in other hands. TG01 and Android would be perfect match
Have a go...
I use HTC HERO as my primary devise and Toshiba TG01 as my secondary device. To be honest Win Mo does not do justice and dsnt fully utilize the ability of the hardware available. Android is mind blowing with regards to the usability and specially because of the number of useful free apps on offer. . Android is the way to go. It can transform this device from a looser to an absolute winner. I bought the device for £139 with Android it would be a steal..
Thank you so much. Keep up the good work. Unfortunately I contribute in any manner except donating for the efforts because I am not experienced in this.
Same i do i came from iphone OS and using htc magic android, and i love thousand apps for iphone and android and quality of theese ; so id like anybody could make something like this.
TG01 is a great device but is quite short in software by now.
Maybe it will be very stupid question so Mods can delete it.
I have NO ANY experience in Linux or android. I have programming skills in Delphi and php but that's it - So because HTC Desire Z hardware seems to be kinda very simillar to Ideos x5 and this desire already have official 2.3 version is there any possibility just use that rom add drivers from ideos and use it? We all have different pc's but windows/linux runs in all of them so i think this should be the same
Oxygen, MIUI and CyanogenMod are all Gingerbread based, so no need for another port IMO...
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Oxygen, MIUI and CyanogenMod are all Gingerbread based, so no need for another port IMO...
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But i think that people who made it for HTC maybe done this better (no offence here devs). I always read latest news on those roms and always something is wrong. Anyway Android os is **** IMO. It's ****ing minor update but you can't just install it..you need to ****ing programm it to make it work.. why windows xp can be upgraded but Android cant?
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But i think that people who made it for HTC maybe done this better (no offence here devs). I always read latest news on those roms and always something is wrong. Anyway Android os is **** IMO. It's ****ing minor update but you can't just install it..you need to ****ing programm it to make it work.. why windows xp can be upgraded but Android cant?
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I assume you own a huawei x5 phone... didn't you know that it is an Android phone? And if yes, why did you get it if you think android is ****?
And you're wrong in thinking devs can't produce high quality custom ROMS as miui, oxygen and Cyanogen ROMS will show you. Yes, there are minor bugs, but they are being worked on.
On the quality of the android community, remember that it wasn't by chance that Samsung hired Cyanogen mod's founder...
Sent from my Huawei u8800
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I assume you own a huawei x5 phone... didn't you know that it is an Android phone? And if yes, why did you get it if you think android is ****?
And you're wrong in thinking devs can't produce high quality custom ROMS as miui, oxygen and Cyanogen ROMS will show you. Yes, there are minor bugs, but they are being worked on.
On the quality of the android community, remember that it wasn't by chance that Samsung hired Cyanogen mod's founder...
Sent from my Huawei u8800
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Just because i own android phone it doesn't mean that i don't think that it's not **** And yes android rocks, but it's **** what comes to upgrades and so on it's way to complicated... too much new versions coming up too frequently. As i read- 94% of iphone users uses newest versions of os, but only 0.4% of android users have the newest version So is this phone companies problem or Android-i think it's android, but i may be wrong.
And i respect the devs who makes custom roms, THEY ARE AWESOME, like Charlie Sheen!
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Just because i own android phone it doesn't mean that i don't think that it's not **** And yes android rocks, but it's **** what comes to upgrades and so on it's way to complicated... too much new versions coming up too frequently. As i read- 94% of iphone users uses newest versions of os, but only 0.4% of android users have the newest version So is this phone companies problem or Android-i think it's android, but i may be wrong.
And i respect the devs who makes custom roms, THEY ARE AWESOME, like Charlie Sheen!
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It is more to the companies, that are holding the updates. They dont want keep older models up to date because it would hinder their selling of newer models.
If u want a phone that is allways most up-to-date, get a Google Nexus...
You're absolutely wrong...from any perspective
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Just because i own android phone it doesn't mean that i don't think that it's not **** And yes android rocks, but it's **** what comes to upgrades and so on it's way to complicated... too much new versions coming up too frequently. As i read- 94% of iphone users uses newest versions of os, but only 0.4% of android users have the newest version So is this phone companies problem or Android-i think it's android, but i may be wrong.
And i respect the devs who makes custom roms, THEY ARE AWESOME, like Charlie Sheen!
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I think that you have no BASIC understanding on Operating System and hardware components...
Every manufacturer releases updates, just like the one you quoted on this thread from HTC and to upgrade the Desire Z it's very easy, perhaps easier than windows Xp if you want to compare. So, that applies for Huawei in the same manner, except Huawei hasn't realeased 2.3 Roms yet.
Because every handset manufacturer, just like computers, has different hardware components within the phones, it makes the operating system very difficult to port from a handset to another and that's where devs come into equation.
To make this easier to understand, try copying windows files from an Intel machine and start that on an AMD machine...Let me know how that goes.
You're wrong about Android, it's not difficult at all to upgrade or install, in 15 minutes you can have a fresh installation done, with EVERYTHING you had in previous version of Android (including apps, contacts, settings etc) I'd like to see that happening with IOS from Apple, when it takes ages to do an upgrade, not to mention a fresh install...
Android is the most versatile operating system on the market at the moment and time will tell...It started from practically nothing and now it's the most used mobile OS on the market.
Now on this topic, which is useless by the way, this Rom is a stock one for Desire Z, which has absolutely no use for any existing development project.
This reply may sound a bit blunt, but you don't really know what you're talking about...
I know what i'm talking about, i just, as i mentioned, i do not know linux.
I very well know operating systems and that mobiles have a harware that have to be driven by software, and alll of them needs drivers... So as i sayd - take drivers from 2.2 and put them in 2.3 - if android is so versatile it should work. That's what was the main question- why it's not possible to do that. We already have Ideos drivers. Or you need to edit some core android files to fit hardware?
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I know what i'm talking about, i just, as i mentioned, i do not know linux.
I very well know operating systems and that mobiles have a harware that have to be driven by software, and alll of them needs drivers... So as i sayd - take drivers from 2.2 and put them in 2.3 - if android is so versatile it should work. That's what was the main question- why it's not possible to do that. We already have Ideos drivers. Or you need to edit some core android files to fit hardware?
Anyway let's leave this topic, moderators can delete it
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im not any linux expert, and i just have basic understanding of OS in principle back from my colleage days..
anyway i would think that there are already lots of experts working on this android phone, and if it's really that simple to accomplish, it should have been accomplished already..
and if it happens that we have to wait for each iteration of the update to get little bit of improvements here and there, there are reasons behind..
(this is from my experience as a java programmer for ten years..)
and finally, if u think u can out-smart those guys, why not go and prepare a ROM urself?
ur words will then be much recognised with a ROM to speak on ur behalf..
WHo said i can out think them? Just i saw official ROM to work with this particular processor what ideos have and i was thinking-hey maybe that's what they need'ed - some "Drivers" for this processor so they can extract it and use it. That's it.
And it's sounds kinda very logic to me.
cause i don't uderstand - how it cannot work if 2.2 have all drivers need'ed so what's the problem? And that's the question because of no knowledge in Android, and i'm thinking from windows perspective and by that point it looks very easy.
[unless they need source codes of drivers and Huawei do not share them, so they cannot use compiled versions or something.
hmm it sounds good, but let say that the processor and the GPU are the same like in the Desire Z, the RAM chip is different, the display is different , the mainboard is different the camera is different ,sensors are differnet and when we combine all that in one ROM with CPU drivers from Desire Z and all old rivers from huawei we get totall mess
So that why DEV's just make optimization of all that stuff to work normal (well thats why appears and some minor bugs because is hard to compile new drivers and software to run over them)