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Hello friends! I created this thread to make a proposal to the dev's and cookers ...
Well, what I mean is that we have bright developers of ROMs for our XPERIA X8
I think most of them work on your own ROMs, without the assistance of anyone (I'm NOT saying they are not able to cook a ROM)
What I mean is that I think that all the dev's of X8 ROM's (as racht, doixanh or AnDyX), cookers (like ME!) and designers (like AChep) come together and form a team, so to create an all-new custom ROM with the help and idea of all users of the Xperia X8!
The forum is for everyone to share their ideas and how they can help in the development of custom ROMs for our devices, and I believe that together we can create a perfect ROM!
That's the idea and proposed to you all, developers of ROMs of our Xperia X8 ...
I think it's a good idea!
Who agrees with me?
Remember: In unity is strength!
It sounds good in theory but I doubt they will work on a single rom. As far as I see it, racht likes gingerbread and has abandoned his floyo rom, but dx likes froyo so he started adding things from gingerbread for users to have a better experience while using it. One thing that I know for certain, if someone manages to find a fix for a problem in any rom I am sure they will share their work with others, because that's why they use these forums.
As for jerpelea he seems to focus more on the X10, which will get official gingerbread update, instead on X8 and that saddens me abit, but is his time to spend and he can do whatever he wants with it... AnDyX has done 2 modules but no rom so maybe ask him to make a rom from scratch by using knowledge gained from other devs.
I do not mean to them that I quoted ...
I refer to ALL's dev ...
I think if all agree to try to do this, we must settle on which Android will be based (Whether it will be 2.3 or 2.2, whatever), but I think that discussion is for later ...
My proposal is that all ideas come together and share their knowledge so that all interested members to create a fully-working near perfect ROM
This is my proposal and idea ...If anyone can understand me...
Salo-S said:
I do not mean to them that I quoted ...
I refer to ALL's dev ...
I think if all agree to try to do this, we must settle on which Android will be based (Whether it will be 2.3 or 2.2, whatever), but I think that discussion is for later ...
My proposal is that all ideas come together and share their knowledge so that all interested members to create a fully-working near perfect ROM
This is my proposal and idea ...If anyone can understand me...
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Hehe this is best idea i ever see on this forum ! Come one devs! Xda rocks! !! Sent from xgin 5.4
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I do not say that this not a good idea... but it's very-very difficult to work with someone else over the same project. I have never work over roms for phone but from my knowledge as a programmer i can say that it may be better working like now...
I was working with a programmer over a firefox addon (like the way you say) but it was very difficult. I was forced to inform him about everything i did, so to let him know what he should do. I started keeping notes and made a program lol...
You must be very consistent too do this...
I wish our devs have the time to set up such a project...
great idea, but... We only need to know if our devs agree with that..
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I do not say that this not a good idea... but it's very-very difficult to work with someone else over the same project. I have never work over roms for phone but from my knowledge as a programmer i can say that it may be better working like now...
I was working with a programmer over a firefox addon (like the way you say) but it was very difficult. I was forced to inform him about everything i did, so to let him know what he should do. I started keeping notes and made a program lol...
You must be very consistent too do this...
I wish our devs have the time to set up such a project...
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I feel the same way. It is very difficult to work with multiple people at the same project, each in a different place. Everyone should have from time to time the exact same code and this would necessarily mean working in shifts and not in a team.
What I see much more easy to do is try to understand what features should have the "perfect rom", such as it is doing doixanh for froyobread, posting polls and seeing what the majority prefers.
We could start with topics such as: 1) froyo base vs. gingerbread base, 2) favorite launcher, 3) basic applications preinstalled .. etc etc. ..
Then we might ask a developer to take charge of the project and prepare the ROM. As an incentive we can provide some donation, if at the end of the project will be many users of the forum to participate, there won't be too hard to put together a little cash I think.
What do you think? Could it be possible?
While I won't downplay this idea, because it does have its merit, this would be VERY hard to achieve. Devs would need to communicate everything they did to eachother, which could prove difficult. However what we COULD do is designate assignments for a specific dev. For example:
Doixanh - Porting Gingerbread features to Froyo and performance
Jerpelea & Blagus - Cracking the bootloader
And so on, so forth. Publish all the work in Google Code or Github to make easily accessible for the whole community.
This to me seems the only really viable way to go...
well I hope so !! really they are the betters and could pass something nice
So typical.
All i see are random members saying that it can't be done or that it is so hard to achieve.
Why can't you wait for devs to answer for themselves?
...I agree with all that this is difficult but... I think that the are already work in a team... xda devs' team... they already help each other enought.
First of all, this thread belongs to Genreal section.
Now on-topic:
I don't see any usefullness from this idea.
1st Devs are helping each other anyway for sure
2nd.. 2nddd?!?!?! :O
Oh, yeah... there's no second.
Point is:
Example: doixanh is stuck at something when making froyobread.. he will ask someone for tip...
racht hackdroid has camera disabled... kuya will fix it (altough he's a cooker, not dev I suppose)
You got it??
Apps preistalled, default launcher... install your favorites by yourself you lazyasses
if OP want it like cyanogenmod,
than it is freexperia project.
I don't see it working.
btw, yes, I'm not a "dev", I like and always be a newbie
Theres already a project like that, it is FreeXperia project, i suppose everyone already know that.
The point is, we should just continue that project, if someone already have a well programming knowledge, then they should just help that project, creating the libs for X8 to be used for 2.3+ Android version later.
that's good idea,newbie like me very happy to hear it
That's a good idea, but i think that we'll have more progress about a Cyanogen 7 rom soon enough.
Hi.....
As you see,the forum for this phone going to die.....
I'm very sad cause i decide to buy this phone ,,,,i have also an lg p500 and at its forum is very good you can find anything you want,people are trying to help you with their replies,and so much people who developes roms ......
I buy u8800 pro and jumped at this forum and see that ,,,,no help, no developing,,no developers,,4 kinds of u8800 and i can't believe that we dont have developers working anymore......
Please ,european developers do something ,,,,,,genocolar leave us and i think that making roms only for china......now nobody developes anything.......
Can someone work for u8800 pro please????
I buy pro version cause its better and i saw that all the good work is for u8800 only.....now the developers abandoned us and owners of u8800 pro ask one each other to find a solution about their problems,but nothing anymore ......
I'm really really sad about the situation here....better not buying pro but the normal one,,i dont now
Sorry if i offended anyone and for my english,but i see no future here....
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Yes, sadly I agree with you. I have a U8800-51 and no support what so ever. That is why I'm going to buy another phone that I know has alot of support. That being said... I can not blame the dev's for not wanting to work on this phone at all. It's not as easy as just changing and swapping a few lib files to make things work. It takes a lot of work... unpaid work and time out of there busy family life to sort through things and find solutions to the problems especially when as you even stated so many different U8800 and they are all different and to my knowledge no source code to work with. So when an unpaid dev doesn't find the fun in one project anymore they move on to something 'they' like. Yes it sucks for us but we are at the mercy of the devs. I thank them for trying and for doing what they have already accomplished. As the dev's are moving on... so am I.
Of course we thank them for their work and respect them....all i said is, that at this forum you can see that mess.....
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Yes, huawei have made a bit of a mess with this phone by releasing a ton of different versions which makes dev work difficult, but it is still a good budget phone and very capable.
*Don't winge about it, do something about it. Help keep the wiki up to date so it is easy to find things. This can be done by anyone. Report messy or misplaced threads to original ganjaman, he is the admin for this forum, he can keep it in line. Also if Geno is only updating on chinese forums now, ask if you can update his progress here for him.
*Learn to develop. There are plenty of dev's who will offer help if you ask. I knew nothing about how android worked a few months ago, now I have made a custom kernel and rom for the u8150 and am looking at how things work on the u8800. It is not easy, but it is possible.
*Dont just look at this forum and assume nothing is happening because roms have not had an update in a week. If you follow the devs on google plus/ facebook/ twitter/etc, you will see there is a lot going on. Also one look on github confirms there is a lot of kernel dev stuff happening still especially around the .35 kernel.
*Give it time, it takes a long time to develop and port roms, it doesn't happen overnight.
*Thank your devs for their time and work. If they feel appreciated, they will continue work. If everyone just pisses and moans, they won't.
i have just read a similar post on androidworld.it
i have a LG P500 and a Huawei U8800PRO, i made 2 custom roms for the P500 (iridium and blackbird) and actually i am waiting for a few mb of u8800pro sources from genokolar. i hope he will upload them on his github so i will be able to start building an AOSP 2.3.7 rom for u8800pro
this forum won't die....the u8800pro has just been released in countries like Italy, and many people bought it. I hope that among those people there will be someone with enough skills to develop.
PaulMilbank said:
Yes, huawei have made a bit of a mess with this phone by releasing a ton of different versions which makes dev work difficult, but it is still a good budget phone and very capable.
*Don't winge about it, do something about it. Help keep the wiki up to date so it is easy to find things. This can be done by anyone. Report messy or misplaced threads to original ganjaman, he is the admin for this forum, he can keep it in line. Also if Geno is only updating on chinese forums now, ask if you can update his progress here for him.
*Learn to develop. There are plenty of dev's who will offer help if you ask. I knew nothing about how android worked a few months ago, now I have made a custom kernel and rom for the u8150 and am looking at how things work on the u8800. It is not easy, but it is possible.
*Dont just look at this forum and assume nothing is happening because roms have not had an update in a week. If you follow the devs on google plus/ facebook/ twitter/etc, you will see there is a lot going on. Also one look on github confirms there is a lot of kernel dev stuff happening still especially around the .35 kernel.
*Give it time, it takes a long time to develop and port roms, it doesn't happen overnight.
*Thank your devs for their time and work. If they feel appreciated, they will continue work. If everyone just pisses and moans, they won't.
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Well done,,now i have two replies,,when i ask something about the phone,,no replies at all ,,,that' s good. ...
Karagiozako......
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matteof93 said:
i have just read a similar post on androidworld.it
i have a LG P500 and a Huawei U8800PRO, i made 2 custom roms for the P500 (iridium and blackbird) and actually i am waiting for a few mb of u8800pro sources from genokolar. i hope he will upload them on his github so i will be able to start building an AOSP 2.3.7 rom for u8800pro
this forum won't die....the u8800pro has just been released in countries like Italy, and many people bought it. I hope that among those people there will be someone with enough skills to develop.
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Matteo, i know you and your work with lg p500 cause i'm a proud owner of lg p500 phone and i got it till now,,,i use cosmicXperia v3.5 ......
I have u8800 pro for 6 days only and after some reading about gingerbread update and functionality, i decided to root mine without updated to 2.3 and now i use it like that .....
Stock rom ....froyo 2.2.2
Recovery v5.0.2.7
O/C kernel from genocolar (.32)
I create init.d folder in system/etc and put inside loopysmoothness tweaks,,some other knzo's tweaks ,98 kickasskernel and z89uncapfps,,
Also i edit build.prop with some knzo's scripts and more...
Also i make 4 themes in the kitchen with circular battery icons,transparent status bar,etc.... and i'm trying now to change framework but no success with ninjamorph which i tried till now.......
I'm very happy with functionality till know and the gameplay with pes 2012 and modern compat black pegasus is perfect.....
My benchmarks scores with O/C 245/1613 smartass v2 ,,io bfq, are....
Neocore ..55.5 - 55.6 fps
Quadrant advanced...2850 - 3025
Antutu (without sd card)...3440 - 3550
I'm glad till now but i don't see future .......
Hope now that you are here ,that we'll see some light in the tunnel...
(Kargiola nicolouli)
Thanks for reading my post matteo and i allready see that you post two usefull threads till now......
Congrats......
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gkalenis said:
Well done,,now i have two replies,,when i ask something about the phone,,no replies at all ,,,that' s good. ...
Karagiozako......
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What did you want to know?
gkalenis said:
Well done,,now i have two replies,,when i ask something about the phone,,no replies at all ,,,that' s good. ...
Karagiozako......
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gkalenis said:
Hope now that you are here ,that we'll see some light in the tunnel...
(Kargiola nicolouli)
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Hahaha to xperia neo v h to galaxy s eprepe na pareis file kai gw malakia ekana p viastika.
You should have bought samsung galaxy s or xperia neo v Calm Down
It would be great if someone could split the Development Forum by models! It's getting impossible to use the Development section because there's 4 models in the same place, it's just hard to find what we want! What's the problem of splitting that? Some mod said that he didn't have the permission to do that but if a mod don't, who does? :s
I just don't understand what's so hard about it, since it's every user's wish!
If i now that the pro model wouldn't have the supporting of the devs probably i wouldn't by it to!
I feel you gkalenis but now it's too late! A week ago i played with the idea to sell the pro and go for the galaxy s but finally i stay with the pro with or without the customs roms!
Tapawhat
I think brand new MIUI .35 port is awakening the development. Also I guess devs can port to all 8800s if they have sources...
i agree with users who say that this forum should be divided into categories (u8800pro and u8800) but if you need a forum where everything is simple and clear (only because it was created a month ago) go here (it is only about the u8800pro).
about developers: as i said i am waiting for geno's sources....if you will help me building gb 2.3.7 maybe we will have a good AOSP rom
PS: please do not compare this device with P500, LG O1 got an incredible support from devs like paolom70, andy572, franciscofranco, fserve, ciaox and many others who have done a precious work, better then LG's engineers.
For those asking about the forum split. This is a ongoing issue that keeps being raised. I agree with you, they should be split. I even asked about it in the mod forum. The response i got was that users of that forum require going through the correct channels. This evolves posting in the requests forum here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1416406
I hope you have all read the read before posting sticky in the development thread. Because all of this info is in there.
Now, all vote for the split. I hope it happens, it will make my job a Lot easier.
I hope this helps
Your friendly moderator
To the OP, sorry, didn't mean to jump down your throat. I know it can be annoying to have a problem with a phone which nobody online can help solve.
At last we have a separate section for u8800 pro
Congratulations
That's good
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Wohoo! Very great news.
Sent from my U8800
Result, thanks mod's
Where is u8800 pro section???
I hope you check that there are some other threads which still staying in u8800 section and you try to fix this.......
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gkalenis said:
Where is u8800 pro section???
I hope you check that there are some other threads which still staying in u8800 section and you try to fix this.......
Sent from my U8800 Pro using XDA App
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Here it is http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1466
I am really happy this split has happened. I hope it draws a end to the problems. Thanks for all who followed my instructions and voted!
I will move some of the pro dev posts tomorrow. If you need any moving, let me know, dont start double posting.
Peace!
Hey guys and girlz,
as many of you know, the developement for our device is not that great and fast because everybody (except from ivendor and arco and maybe some others) is working alone on a ROM/kernel. We could speed this up by building a dev team where all devs for our device and maybe from galaxy w can work together and improve ROM for ROM instead of doing each ROM alone.
Hope we can do this :good:
If anybody is interested, post it here or PM me
Greets and regards,
markey
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markey97 said:
Hey guys and girlz,
as many of you know, the developement for our device is not that great and fast because everybody (except from ivendor and arco and maybe some others) is working alone on a ROM/kernel. We could speed this up by building a dev team where all devs for our device and maybe from galaxy w can work together and improve ROM for ROM instead of doing each ROM alone.
Hope we can do this :good:
If anybody is interested, post it here or PM me
Greets and regards,
markey
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Hm. Mate are you blind? Look at this forum. We have a lot of roms, some are even twice there from 2 different developers.
For me, personally its perfect like it is. Arco and Ivendor as lead developers for CM10. Other devs can contribute or take their work and make a new rom out of it.
Especially for a almost 2 years old device our forum is really awesome and you should be happy for what weve got here.
Just my 2 cents.
P.s: This is the development section. You should ask things like that on the General section, in the i9001 thread.
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XeLLaR* said:
Hm. Mate are you blind? Look at this forum. We have a lot of roms, some are even twice there from 2 different developers.
For me, personally its perfect like it is. Arco and Ivendor as lead developers for CM10. Other devs can contribute or take their work and make a new rom out of it.
Especially for a almost 2 years old device our forum is really awesome and you should be happy for what weve got here.
Just my 2 cents.
P.s: This is the development section. You should ask things like that on the General section, in the i9001 thread.
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First of all, i appreciate all the work of ivendor , skywalker, brood, xistance and arco and others who did an amazing job of porting major roms to our device. But i must honestly say, i agree on some points with the OP. It is amazing with what we achieved on our small but awesome community, but our phone is getting old and eventually we will be left behind. So now it is the best time to combine all of the knowledge that is hidden in our i9001 section to ensure the future.
In the past year i have been in this section i saw a lot of stuff that could be fixed faster if people would communicate more, like the well known cm9 camera problem (i dont know for sure there was miscommunication as i dont know what happened in the background). A dev team would be awesome.
But i am afraid that this won't work anymore. The glorious days of the i9001 are over. Many good devs left us.
But is is worth the shot. Would be so awesome! If you have any android knowledge, please join.
(I am to stupid. I cant join. I know how qtADB works but that is all).
Also i like the idea of combining the two devices and make a giant dev team for both so we can benefit from there knowledge and they from ours!
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XeLLaR* said:
Hm. Mate are you blind? Look at this forum. We have a lot of roms, some are even twice there from 2 different developers.
For me, personally its perfect like it is. Arco and Ivendor as lead developers for CM10. Other devs can contribute or take their work and make a new rom out of it.
Especially for a almost 2 years old device our forum is really awesome and you should be happy for what weve got here.
Just my 2 cents.
P.s: This is the development section. You should ask things like that on the General section, in the i9001 thread.
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No i'm not, otherwise I couldn't have read the forum and written this here
(Just joking)
I know that we have a lot of ROMs, but there are some from 2 different developers because one of them hasn't updated very long or stopped the project and then a new dev took the work.
Thats your personal opinion and I accept it.
I mean this all because of the bugs that have to be fixed.
No its not that awesome, look at the dhd, they have a big dev team who solves most of the bugs there and they have fully functional Android 4.2 and MANY more ROMs than we have also have a look at some other 2 or more year old devices, most of them have big dev teams who do fast and great work.
I really appreciate the work of all our developers (!!we have a 3.4 kernel which even much newer and better devices don't have!!) but we can make this even better and faster.
Thanks i know this but in general section we couldn't get a team together and i also forgot about this section because i mostly (nearly only) use the developement section
Greets and regards,
markey
I seem to agree with xellar's view. Our I9001 forum is great as it is for a two year old device and development seems to be moving forward at a well-placed pace. I dont see any point in creating a ''dev team'' . Dont get me wrong , I'd love to see it happen. But Im comfortable with the pace here .
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I would also apreciate a dev. BUT the developement of the last 2 years was that good, that i can't comlpain on anything. It works very well the way it goes now. Maybe in the near future (~6 moths) when more importent (doesn't mean the other are unimportant) devs leave the s+ and 5.0 will be roll out, maybe then we need a dev-team.
But we have already s.t. like dev-teams:
Arco and Ivendor (CM9/10)
The kernel devs (Erik, castagna, Biagio, Christopher, ...)
Xistance and Doom (CM10.1)
They all share allready there knowledge and function.
So... No need to hurry in my opinion :beer:
"...nothing is more powerful than a young boy's wish. Except an Apache helicopter..." -Ted
i think we have a lack of devs contributing to really port the newer versions of android. its only arco and ivendor who are doing this and since arco wanted to concentrate more on his own device its only ivendor (arco is yet still involved with our phone). everyone else is "just" forking from ivendor, aokp, aosp and paranoid which is great and which is not necessarily easy. without them there would be nothing else but the cm rom. still its not comparable to ivendors or arcos work. i dont want to diminish the importance of the work of others (sadly i have to always mention it when saying things like that...). i just didn't see them commit to ivendors github and ivendors credits concede my point.
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I'd love to be in the team
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i think we have a lack of devs contributing to really port the newer versions of android. its only arco and ivendor who are doing this and since arco wanted to concentrate more on his own device its only ivendor (arco is yet still involved with our phone). everyone else is "just" forking from ivendor, aokp, aosp and paranoid which is great and which is not necessarily easy. without them there would be nothing else but the cm rom. still its not comparable to ivendors or arcos work. i dont want to diminish the importance of the work of others (sadly i have to always mention it when saying things like that...). i just didn't see them commit to ivendors github and ivendors credits concede my point.
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As true as this is, I still don't like the fact that you say we just fork their work. Both arco and ivendor haven't even started doing any real work on 4.2, forget giving us anything. Camcory and I have brought 4.2 by ourselves, just using arco's kernel source(which is REALLY important so I'm saying nothing to arco).
you probably saw what a mess the "perfectly working cm7" was even though mazen said hes not a real developer. when the 3.4 kernel came up it turned out to be not properly ported. no offense to both of those guys since cm7 actually was usable and the kernel had its right to exist (educk, if you read this, no need to defend yourself, i've read the whole thread).
but you must understand that im kind of suspicious with new things since i don't know if you know what youre doing. im not judging, i really don't know because i'm not qualified. also i dont see anything else going on on your github but your 4.2 porting. so i cant see any references. i also dont see any commits from camcory. thats another thing i cant get an opinion about.
but arco and ivendor have proven to be pretty skilled. i remember someone saying we would never have a 3.x kernel because someone who wanted to port it would be insane...
im still thankful for what youre doing since if ivendor quits its all on you
and im sorry you got in the "just forking" cathegory and everybody else who doesn't feel he belongs there. im just generalizing...
just actually saw your sig. still doesn't change much
dr.wtf said:
you probably saw what a mess the "perfectly working cm7" was even though mazen said hes not a real developer. when the 3.4 kernel came up it turned out to be not properly ported. no offense to both of those guys since cm7 actually was usable and the kernel had its right to exist (educk, if you read this, no need to defend yourself, i've read the whole thread).
but you must understand that im kind of suspicious with new things since i don't know if you know what youre doing. im not judging, i really don't know because i'm not qualified. also i dont see anything else going on on your github but your 4.2 porting. so i cant see any references. i also dont see any commits from camcory. thats another thing i cant get an opinion about.
but arco and ivendor have proven to be pretty skilled. i remember someone saying we would never have a 3.x kernel because someone who wanted to port it would be insane...
im still thankful for what youre doing since if ivendor quits its all on you
and im sorry you got in the "just forking" cathegory and everybody else who doesn't feel he belongs there. im just generalizing...
just actually saw your sig. still doesn't change much
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Only one thing to say:: does not make any sense at all...
What op asked is on team..wats happening here is just nonsense..if somebody interested to work with him pls do it..if u are not interested get the f** k out of here...its not must that each and everyone has to put their point of view..if u are ready to help then help..otherwise leave from this thread...simple....
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This thread needs to be closed. Its like a slap in the face for all of our developers. Shame on you! Show some respect to them. They sacrifiy a lot time to give us a better user experience for our phones but well, everyone is like "hurrdhurr dat fone is not even like a galaxy s3 now brah after flasching tis rom my fone suks bad ass".. Instead of saying thanks to the developers or donate some buck to them for a fresh beer or something.
Always remember this is a single core device, with a midrange chipset and it cant handle even close as much as a S3 or S2.
We have a fully working (vsync and tripple buffer are working and all ither stuff) Jellybean cm10. Not even the s2 or s3 have this because of the lack of sources for their exynos cpus.
I hate this unrepectless behavior.
Be happy with what you got here FOR FREE. And for a Non-flagship device like our i9001, we have A HELL OF A LOT roms and kernels!
Get your **** together people.
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Disrespectfull: YES understandeble: YES.
At our forum/development we got 1-person teams. Some ROMS are made with someone on the background (CM9/CM10/CM10.1).. But the other ROMS that are based on these are made and maintained by 1 person.
I got the feeling that some of us dont have PATIENCE..
And that is something what is very stupid.
Teams are working faster and fixing faster and better bugs in ROMS, that is true.
If the OP want to make a team just ask some developers for godssake. These topic are as disrespectfull as saying WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO UPDATE OR FIXING THIS OR THAT in every goddamm topic.
Just my opnion..
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you probably saw what a mess the "perfectly working cm7" was even though mazen said hes not a real developer. when the 3.4 kernel came up it turned out to be not properly ported. no offense to both of those guys since cm7 actually was usable and the kernel had its right to exist (educk, if you read this, no need to defend yourself, i've read the whole thread).
but you must understand that im kind of suspicious with new things since i don't know if you know what youre doing. im not judging, i really don't know because i'm not qualified. also i dont see anything else going on on your github but your 4.2 porting. so i cant see any references. i also dont see any commits from camcory. thats another thing i cant get an opinion about.
but arco and ivendor have proven to be pretty skilled. i remember someone saying we would never have a 3.x kernel because someone who wanted to port it would be insane...
im still thankful for what youre doing since if ivendor quits its all on you
and im sorry you got in the "just forking" cathegory and everybody else who doesn't feel he belongs there. im just generalizing...
just actually saw your sig. still doesn't change much
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Alright, even through, I shouldn't have any comments here as you already screw things up really bad, I feel like I must do it to clear things up a bit around here.
First of all, you said yourself that you don't have any knowledge related to software development, so why are you messing with people that actually devote time to do it? If you have no ideea what development is, why are you talking about it in this manner? I mean, it is ok to ask or to make mistakes, everybody does, nobody is perfect but I consider this post offensive and I must defend myself here.
Second, as far as I'm consern, my GitHub is MINE and I and only I will decide when to push something there. I cannot be forced by anyone to do anything. So, your sentece "I didn's see anything going on on your github" so what?!? Tell me, why should I post anything just for you to see it? Ah, you think I lack activity? Again, so what? I or any other Open Source developer cannot be forced by anyone to publish something. We do this because we like it, we are not paid for it. Maybe if you would pay me to do these things, yeah you could have the right to judge my activity. This is open source, this is Android, the developers are bringing stuff to the end user but the end user is free to choose if he wants to use that piece of software or if he doesn't want to use that software. Same applies to you, you don't have to flash anything on your phone just because it's there online, if you don't like it, don't use it .
About my 3.4 kernel. I mentioned in the OP of the thread that it is an early "alpha" nothing more. I even used the word "preview". If the end user doesn't like the way the kernel is, than he wont use it.
Oh, and I'm not supposed to say this but I'll take this opportunity just for you to see that I'm not lacking activity and actually I want to develop that 3.4 kernel, also I'll explain why I didn't update anything on github.
I worked locally, and everytime I fixed something, 2 other errors came up, after I fixed those 2, another 3 came up and so on. That's why I choosed not to push anything to git until I get something concret. I said this a million times actually: I have no ideea when that kernel will be ready and if it will be ready, I am going to decide if it will be published to git and XDA or not. This is my personal decision, you can't influence me in any way to do anything.
Also, I'm not a full time developer, I'm still a beginer, I'm still learning things here and I choosed to share my work with others, here on XDA because I thought that my work could be usefull. If you or anyone else don't find it usefull, as I said, don't use it .
Also, ivendor won't quit either and there is nothing on me...again, you are trying to push me...this is hilarious...I choosed to start the 3.4 kernel project but that doesn't mean that I must finish it... I really hope you understood something from this post, if not please, just let it go and ignore it. Also, there is no need to apologise, you were wrong by trying to put pressure on me but I ignored it, as you probaly noticed.
Cheers,
Erik
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Insulting to our developers an absolutly not development related..
Cheers
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Appreciate the work the devs do, as they aren't required to do anything...
~ The-Captain
*Please no one delete this thread! It is really important!*
Hi everyone!
I am here to tell you guys about our phone.
Yes, the title says everything; our phone is not dead!
What do you think? Just because Huawei is not supporting this phone anymore doesn't mean that our phone is dead!
Look! We have achieved great things with our knowledge! We have already have Android that wasn't given to us by Huawei:
- CM 7.2
- Aurora ICS
- MIUI
- Oxygen
- JokerROM
- and lots of others!
(Thanks to all those developers that have contributed their efforts for the sake of our phone!)
Huawei is not supporting us, but every person in our community is supporting each other.
I know we are lacking developers, but we still have great developers: DZO (he's a bit sleepy), forumber2, Blefish, MosTERRA, ezet, and anyone else I have missed!
We still have developers, but not once have I read anyone commenting anything positive about our phone. Not once anyone has told someone else that our phone is dying/dead. Always, everyone here has said our phone is finished.
Come on guys! Don't say this! Always try to say good things about our phone. By saying bad things about our phone, you are discouraging other people, and most importantly the Developers, from keeping the phone.
Please stop discouraging Developers and others! Instead, encourage others to gather knowledge and start building some ROMs!
Yes, I would encourage all of you here to start gathering knowledge about android and start building some MODs, Themes, ROMs, etc, for our phone!
NEVER AGAIN I WOULD WANT TO SEE A COMMENT THAT SAYS NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT OUR PHONE!!!!
You're right and in general I agree with you but this sub-forum is only to post ROM's preferably tested and without bugs. You should move this to General section or ask to mods to do that. Blefish is working on CM 10 and we (non-developers) need to wait.
Cheers.
to say our phone is "dead" is not negative as i perceive it.. its just a plain fact..
in this fast-changing technology world, our phone already did its job very well..
my u8800 has just passed its 2-year mark, and though its just become my second-line support phone in this month, its still of great value to me..
(big compliment to our great developers!)
HOWEVER, the phones is already over 2 years old, and this is a very old age in technology world (and also considering its lack of official support)..
if everyone just refuses to proceed forward, we are probably still playing/flashing mods for our beloved transistor radio (if thats even possible)!
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with the above said, i do not mean to discourage any further development effort on this phone..
i actually welcome such activities very much honestly..
its just that ppl should also recognise those of us who try to move forward with newer and more powerful phones..
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*Please no one delete this thread! It is really important!*
Hi everyone!
I am here to tell you guys about our phone.
Yes, the title says everything; our phone is not dead!
What do you think? Just because Huawei is not supporting this phone anymore doesn't mean that our phone is dead!
Look! We have achieved great things with our knowledge! We have already have Android that wasn't given to us by Huawei:
- CM 7.2
- Aurora ICS
- MIUI
- Oxygen
- JokerROM
- and lots of others!
(Thanks to all those developers that have contributed their efforts for the sake of our phone!)
Huawei is not supporting us, but every person in our community is supporting each other.
I know we are lacking developers, but we still have great developers: DZO (he's a bit sleepy), forumber2, Blefish, MosTERRA ezet, possibly me, and anyone else I have missed!
We still have developers, but not once have I read anyone commenting anything positive about our phone. Not once anyone has told someone else that our phone is dying/dead. Always, everyone here has said our phone is finished.
Come on guys! Don't say this! Always try to say good things about our phone. By saying bad things about our phone, you are discouraging other people, and most importantly the Developers, from keeping the phone.
Please stop discouraging Developers and others! Instead, encourage others to gather knowledge and start building some ROMs!
Yes, I would encourage all of you here to start gathering knowledge about android and start building some MODs, Themes, ROMs, etc, for our phone!
NEVER AGAIN I WOULD WANT TO SEE A COMMENT THAT SAYS NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT OUR PHONE!!!!
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So why don't you make Jelly bean ?
iamelton said:
to say our phone is "dead" is not negative as i perceive it.. its just a plain fact..
in this fast-changing technology world, our phone already did its job very well..
my u8800 has just passed its 2-year mark, and though its just become my second-line support phone in this month, its still of great value to me..
(big compliment to our great developers!)
HOWEVER, the phones is already over 2 years old, and this is a very old age in technology world (and also considering its lack of official support)..
if everyone just refuses to proceed forward, we are probably still playing/flashing mods for our beloved transistor radio (if thats even possible)
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Our main problem is the just the lack of developers as I already said before, because saying our phones is old fashioned it ain't true, for an example the Huawei Ascend G300, imo that phone is not that far away from our phone in hardware and capability (and also it was release in May of 2012), but still it already has CM9, CM10, CM10.1, thats my point of view, we can't all have the same opinion. I just don't have the skill to do such things in the Android area, if I had I would work on this awesome device.
It's not dead, but it's been on life support for a very long time, now. Blefish is the only active, transparent developer this device has going for, and even he doesn't have public releases yet and encounters numerous issues. There is no real Jellybean for this device, regardless of the fact that the hardware is capable, and so for all intents and purposes it is dead, for the time being. But that could change.
Regardless, this is a terrible thread and if you want to help you shouldn't spam this forum. There are specific forums for this sort of inane garbage.
I think it's dead anymore since we can't go through jellybean. There are only 2 person as i know who have coding knowledge;dzo and blefish.Besides we haven't seen a working wifi for jellybean both of them;so this makes the phone dead,in my view.
i think the points are quite clear now.. in android world, a phone is "dead" if there is not much active development/support for the latest updates going around (either officially or from individuals)..
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OP, just did a search and found out that u ported a xperia style rom to our phone, so that makes u a developer of this phone.. thx for the work..
(though another GB rom does not interest me that much.. )
I'd like to point out that just because I haven't released a rom does not mean I am not working on it. Just hang on as there is awesome stuff coming up!
I know I am not the fastest developer around, but I always try to do things "properly". Of which I mean I try to provide good code that would be reusable in the future.
Sent from my U8800
Would just like to clarify something
No. Our phone will never be dead, as long as we have devs working on it.
I would also like to point out something:
Just because I ported Xperia Style GB ROM, doesn't mean I have become a developer. BUT at least I am trying to build JB for our device. Yes, I have downloaded the CM10 source and have started building it. Since this is the first ever ROM I will build, which is why I am getting help from Blefish (thanks a lot Blefish. I really appreciate your efforts).
I am trying my best to keep this project going, but I have my studies and other important things (won't mention because they are personal). It is my second last year in High School, so I don't get much time (i'm sorry).
I WOULD STILL LIKE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GATHER KNOWLEDGE AND START BUILDING FOR OUR DEVICE. WE NEED AS MUCH DEVELOPERS AS POSSIBLE WORKING ON THIS DEVICE!
I know gathering the knowledge is hard, but we have the Q&A section where you can ask something whenever you are stuck. Please step forward and start working!
Thanks for understanding.:good:
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No. Our phone will never be dead, as long as we have devs working on it.
I would also like to point out something:
Just because I ported Xperia Style GB ROM, doesn't mean I have become a developer. BUT at least I am trying to build JB for our device. Yes, I have downloaded the CM10 source and have started building it. Since this is the first ever ROM I will build, which is why I am getting help from Blefish (thanks a lot Blefish. I really appreciate your efforts).
I am trying my best to keep this project going, but I have my studies and other important things (won't mention because they are personal). It is my second last year in High School, so I don't get much time (i'm sorry).
I WOULD STILL LIKE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GATHER KNOWLEDGE AND START BUILDING FOR OUR DEVICE. WE NEED AS MUCH DEVELOPERS AS POSSIBLE WORKING ON THIS DEVICE!
I know gathering the knowledge is hard, but we have the Q&A section where you can ask something whenever you are stuck. Please step forward and start working!
Thanks for understanding.:good:
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HD2 is dead and it still has developers.
It's not developing, it's passed on. This phone is no more. It has ceased to be. It's expired and gone to meet its maker. This is a late phone. It's a stiff. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. If we haven't bought it , it would be pushing up the daisies. It's run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible. This is an ex-phone. Capisci?
rqmok said:
No. Our phone will never be dead, as long as we have devs working on it.
I would also like to point out something:
Just because I ported Xperia Style GB ROM, doesn't mean I have become a developer. BUT at least I am trying to build JB for our device. Yes, I have downloaded the CM10 source and have started building it. Since this is the first ever ROM I will build, which is why I am getting help from Blefish (thanks a lot Blefish. I really appreciate your efforts).
I am trying my best to keep this project going, but I have my studies and other important things (won't mention because they are personal). It is my second last year in High School, so I don't get much time (i'm sorry).
I WOULD STILL LIKE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GATHER KNOWLEDGE AND START BUILDING FOR OUR DEVICE. WE NEED AS MUCH DEVELOPERS AS POSSIBLE WORKING ON THIS DEVICE!
I know gathering the knowledge is hard, but we have the Q&A section where you can ask something whenever you are stuck. Please step forward and start working!
Thanks for understanding.:good:
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ok i take back my previous recognition of u as a developer.. now you are a developer-to-be for this great phone.. (honestly, no sarcasm attached.. )
and while i think u8800 is dead, u see it as a living pal.. no problem.. case closed.. (no sarcasm, again..)
now back to business.. i would very much be happy to see a jb rom created and surely would give it a try in my u8800..
i just hope u can keep this enthusiasm and keep working on this jb-rom-to-come..
honestly speaking, having enthusiasm on something and start working on it are not that difficult.. its the persistence and patience (in dealing with obstacles) that make the difference..
good luck and hope to hear from u soon.. :good:
Blefish said:
I'd like to point out that just because I haven't released a rom does not mean I am not working on it. Just hang on as there is awesome stuff coming up!
I know I am not the fastest developer around, but I always try to do things "properly". Of which I mean I try to provide good code that would be reusable in the future.
Sent from my U8800
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Hey,
I just don't understand something so i want to ask you. I am following you on twitter and see that it is really not easy making kernel 3.4. I just want to know, wouldn't it be easier if you just use the 3.0.8 kernel that we already have and maybe tweak it a bit? 3.0.8 should work with CM10. I just don't see the point of triing so hard to make the new kernel for CM10. Let's look in the future and if you release your rom in 2 months for now there will not be so many people that would find it usefull because many of U8800 users are already switching to new devices. And in may there is coming KLP.
Thanks for clarification! :good:
rastek said:
Hey,
I just don't understand something so i want to ask you. I am following you on twitter and see that it is really not easy making kernel 3.4. I just want to know, wouldn't it be easier if you just use the 3.0.8 kernel that we already have and maybe tweak it a bit? 3.0.8 should work with CM10. I just don't see the point of triing so hard to make the new kernel for CM10. Let's look in the future and if you release your rom in 2 months for now there will not be so many people that would find it usefull because many of U8800 users are already switching to new devices. And in may there is coming KLP.
Thanks for clarification! :good:
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I understand what you are trying to say to Blefish.
I'll tell you. May it be 3.0.8 or 3.1 kernel, the story is the same: no Bluetooth and no WiFi. The 3.0.8 will need to be made compatible with CM10, but making WiFi and Bluetooth work will still won't be easy. That's why it is better to work on 3.1 kernel when you know that both kernels have the same story.
I hope you understand.
My phone is not dead!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok i understand that wifi and bt do not work with 3.0.8 and cm10, but blefish said in one thread that it is just a matter of configuration and is not nearly as hard as making a new kernel. I think blefish could make it work with 3.0.8.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda app-developers app
alexmbra said:
My phone is not dead!!!!!!!!!!!
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That's the spirit!!
rastek said:
Ok i understand that wifi and bt do not work with 3.0.8 and cm10, but blefish said in one thread that it is just a matter of configuration and is not nearly as hard as making a new kernel. I think blefish could make it work with 3.0.8.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda app-developers app
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Yes, it is a matter of configuration.
All we have right now are the drivers from Aurora and the drivers from official Huawei ROMs. To make CM10, the drivers need to be taken from an older ROM and put into CM10. Now, it is not just a matter of copy-pasting. Our current drivers are not compatible with JB. Blefish has made some things working. The biggest problem is the WiFi. The old WiFi drivers need to be made compatible with CM10, and this is the hardest part. This is why there has been no one, yet, who has been able to do this.
No matter what kernel it is, may it be 3.0.8 or 3.1, the WiFi drivers need to be made compatible with CM10.
I think oguzhan mobile was able to fix the WiFi to the extent where it actually turned on, but it wouldn't scan. I don't know why he stopped development. I am not sure what kernel oguzhan mobile was using, but I think it was 3.0.8. I think you might be right that it would be easier for our phone to use the 3.0.8 kernel, but I think the 3.1 kernel would run better with CM10.1.
If you really want to know why Blefish wouldn't use 3.0.8 kernel, then you would need to Blefish himself. I have already said what I think, but I am not sure if I am right.
I am going to give it a try with 3.0.8 kernel. It might be easier than 3.1 kernel. I'll just have to find out
I like the way you talk....
Waiting for JB...
Sent from my U8800 using Tapatalk 2
Just follow @rtammekivi on Twitter if you want to know what's going on.
Phone is dead
Welcome guys once again . I don't want make this thread super brilliant and stylish, it's just for me and you to notice, how's projects going. As you should know (hopefully), I'm back with 3 projects for Xperia Play (and X10 too), so 6 projects at all is not easy way, so I need some place to make everything clear and most important. This thread have this destiny. Don't forget it's not a help thread, they will appear in the right time, when every project will be ready to put on XDA. Thanks for understand and being with me even if I was too quiet too long, but my justification is more projects in one time ^^. See you all, and have a nice day!
Moderators: If this thread is useless in your feelings, please contact me, don't delete it without any words, cause I'll lost many informations . Thanks .
==> CLICK HERE TO SEE ALL PROJECTS AND MODS BY ME <==
Xperia Play:
1) DiXperia 3 "Enormous" - Just like 1 and 2, it will be friendly for users and gamers - just for everything, Play can handle those two destinations together in one piece . Expect newest Sony framework, with good free RAM, fast ecosystem and good scripts .
2) DiXperia "Perennial" - New project in this community, it will be made for hardcore gamers, with pretty (for now just plans) look of topic, to give you feel you're really using something different . As we know, GB is the best system for games on XPlay, so it will stay in this project too, with tons of adjustments .
3) DiXperia "Energizer" - The next one new one . It will be a fresh made by me, cause on Play I was always on GB. Now, with Energizer, it will change. JB on the base, with those part of community, who don't care much much MUCH about games (it doesn't mean they don't play at all) but they just want new ROM with new things/ports and of course stability and performance - my priority all the time .
It's a short review of non-exist projects for now, but soon I will start working on all of them, of course I will need help if anyone want to give me a hand . I can say, some things could change in the future, but it's unnecessary in my opinion - all projects seems to have good destiny for itself, and everyone should find something for himself/herself ^^.
Feel free guys/girls to ask a questions, so I can answer it as soon as possible . Thank you for your waiting, and wait once again, maybe longer! 6 projects, with my personal life, school, sleep (crazy!), sports, family etc. will be hard but....If I say something - I always keep one's word . Cheers guys!
Also, don't forget this this is NOT helpful, but it doesn't mean you can't give some advices for me, to apply some things for projects .
And one more, most important - I will need some guys to help:
- 3 persons to make help thread for each ROM (or maybe one person, but I don't know if he/she will hold 3 threads ). [GOT 2]
- Some graphics/visual buddies to help me with ROM styles and threads look-like. [NO NEED ANYMORE!]
- Stable and certain testers (3 to 6) [NO NEED ANYMORE!]
- Kernel Developer for DXEngine Environment [NO NEED ANYMORE!]
- If you think you are ideal person to help me in anything, like making me coffe or sandwiches, write here some clever idea .
No big news about ROMs for now, but next weekend I will try to collect sources for DX3 .
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People who wants to help:
-Shaiaz - Graphic designer, thank you!
-pedyvirus - Tester #1, and owner of discussion romthread #1 (DiXperia 3) thank you!
-Pizza_Dox - Tester #2, and owner of discussion romthread #2 (DiXperia Perennial), thank you!
-mocool05 - Tester #3, thank you!
-smokerman - owner of discussion romthread #3 (DiXperia Energizer), thank you!
-abdel12345 - Tester #4, thank you!
-sheraro - Tester #5 (+bootanimation helper), thank you!
-extremetempz - Tester #6, and Kernel Developer, thank you!
DiKeJ said:
- Some graphics/visual buddies to help me with ROM styles and threads look-like.
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This one i might be able to help a little with You just have to ask if you wanna see anything i have made
If you able to send some work via PM - I'm ready . Thank you for reply ^^.
Sent from my Xperia X10i using xda premium
i can be your tester i don't have any problem when you need testers(maybe im on vacation when you need testers.the time is unknown)
update:i flashed all the gb roms in our forum and also i was tester of a rom about 1 moth a go. i know my job
I can also be your tester, And if you want help with General moding and etc...
Also How are your Hands? (im sorry if im asking this in a werid way...)
Great 2 C U back in the Community,
Tester here! Flash roms often, and would love to teat and report back to you. As a plus im on summer vac. So I have hours to kill.
From The god of gaming, the R800i Xperia Play
mocool05 said:
Tester here! Flash roms often, and would love to teat and report back to you. As a plus im on summer vac. So I have hours to kill.
From The god of gaming, the R800i Xperia Play
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Yea same im on a summer vacation in 3 weeks for 2 months
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Yea same im on a summer vacation in 3 weeks for 2 months
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Awsome. Planing anything?
From The god of gaming, the R800i Xperia Play
Thank you guys, let's just say we have minimum testers here, you're awesome, really! .
Pizza_Dox, my hands are much better, but it's just result of not developping for a long time, also not typing much on keyboard. And good rehabilitation, should make me resistant for future work, I know how to avoid pain etc.. Thanks for asking buddy ^^.
Your Welcome, Also Glad so much that your back , subed to this topic incase of updates,
Hope your hands get better over time!
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Your Welcome, Also Glad so much that your back , subed to this topic incase of updates,
Hope your hands get better over time!
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Same here. Hope all goes well
From The god of gaming, the R800i Xperia Play
3 persons to make help thread for each ROM
i can help you in this..dont know if i can handle 3 threads at same time..but i can take care of one at least,coz i have 2 of my one..MIUI gamer edition (GB) and MIUIv5(JB).
glad you are better,and back to play and x10.
I want around when you were here I'm the beginning but I'm glad to see your better. I can help test for sure if you need anymore. Im on an r800x so I won't be able to test service bit that will probably work well anyway since its based on stock ( I think). I can test games and smoothness and other uses. Also I might be able help with one of the threads but not sure yet and device I don't have the gsm version it might not be the best idea
Sent from my Xperia Play (r800x)
will test anything here ! can make custom bootanimations too
Is this rom will run on neo l? Tnx
Sent from my MT25i using xda app-developers app
Jesus, guys, I'm limited to 8 thanks per day, so can't click on newer post . But be sure I'm preety amazed and excited about your willingness for help . Let's just say, for now I have enough testers, so no need to ask for it.
myk69, I've heard that some Neo L ROMs appear on Play, after some edits - I'm sure official version of my projects won't boot on your device, but some Dev with Neo L will know what to do to make it . I'm glad not only Play users want DiXperias .
im willing to test anything since my xperia is my gaming phone
DiKeJ said:
If you able to send some work via PM - I'm ready . Thank you for reply ^^.
Sent from my Xperia X10i using xda premium
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I'll send something when i get home
Just for curiosity, do you need testers for each rom or like 3 PER ROM ? I'm curios, i see a point in both, like the ability to compare them while in testing, like "This rom is lacking this feature which the other ROM has" something like that
Great to see you back! :good::fingers-crossed::good: